Hi Everyone,
By now everyone should realize that war has broken out among the Tzaddikim. While the war revolves around sexual misconduct, the basic issue is one of leadership. Who do we follow in these matters? Who do we support? Do we support the abuser, or do we support the Elder who is guiding and directing the abuser and the other members of his flock?
I am the Elder, and no one desired to follow my guidance so I left fellowship with the Tzaddikim. Right now, I view them as a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites, and I don't like them. Now, I am old and wise enough to realize that this is actually an indictment of my leadership. Normally, the flock can be no different than the shepherd who guides them. If sin exists within the Tzaddikim, it is because of leadership or is it because of the flock? Who stops the buck?
This is my view of how this issue developed within the Tzaddikim. It should supply you with additional background information concerning what was related on the first thread. I wish I could say that I have changed the names to protect the innocent, but there are no innocent ones in this discussion as of yet. This account is actually taken from a private e-mail from me to DeAnna. This e-mail has been edited, and the names have be changed to pseudonyms which follow the pattern set by Rovivrus on the parent thread:
Blessings to all of you, and I do mean all. Have a happy Sabbath Day, Everyone!
Sincerely, Spying
By now everyone should realize that war has broken out among the Tzaddikim. While the war revolves around sexual misconduct, the basic issue is one of leadership. Who do we follow in these matters? Who do we support? Do we support the abuser, or do we support the Elder who is guiding and directing the abuser and the other members of his flock?
I am the Elder, and no one desired to follow my guidance so I left fellowship with the Tzaddikim. Right now, I view them as a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites, and I don't like them. Now, I am old and wise enough to realize that this is actually an indictment of my leadership. Normally, the flock can be no different than the shepherd who guides them. If sin exists within the Tzaddikim, it is because of leadership or is it because of the flock? Who stops the buck?
This is my view of how this issue developed within the Tzaddikim. It should supply you with additional background information concerning what was related on the first thread. I wish I could say that I have changed the names to protect the innocent, but there are no innocent ones in this discussion as of yet. This account is actually taken from a private e-mail from me to DeAnna. This e-mail has been edited, and the names have be changed to pseudonyms which follow the pattern set by Rovivrus on the parent thread:
Thank you very much for your e-mail encouragement and inquiry. It has been a very stressful and difficult time for all of us since my daughters, Rovivrus and "L" came forward with the information about my brother's sexual molestation of them. Elder "X" was confronted by Elders ImAHebrew and Hyssop, and he confessed to his molestation of "L". He denied that he sexually molested "B", my oldest daughter, and Rovivrus.
DeAnna, my brother actually engaged in sex play sessions in which he used a vibrator on "L" until she experienced an orgasm. She was nine years old at the time. "X" also used the vibrator on "B" (now 30 years old) who is two years older than "L". He also used the vibrator on Rovivrus (now 25 years old). "B" could remember also experiencing orgasms. "B" does not think that Uncle "X" knew when she was experiencing an orgasm because "B" did not actively or openly participate as did "L". Rovivrus' memories are less vivid because she was younger, but she does remember or have a sense of learning how to masturbate due to Uncle "X's" use of a vibrator to massage her body. Rovivrus grew up thinking that she was cursed because of the struggle that went on in her mind over masturbation. I know that feeling because I was taught how to masturbate at age nine by a cousin twice my age.
After Elder "X" was confronted about his molestation, he was very repentant. He came to our home and asked my wife and myself for forgiveness which we did grant him. He was restored to fellowship with our assembly. During this time period, I myself questioned my brother "X" concerning his own daughters. I can remember asking him why he targeted my daughters while leaving his own alone? In my heart, I did not understand so I wanted to know. He denied any molestation of his own daughters saying that such activity was too close to home. I accepted his explanation. Subsequently, his oldest daughter came forward with claims that he had also used the vibrator on her. She went to her father and confronted him and told him that she wanted him to leave his home for the safety and protection of her youngest sister. She also wanted her mother to divorce him because she knew in her heart that there was a time in her relationship with her father in which "X" did exalt her over her mother. We all can remember "X" elevating his daughter over his wife. "X" would not comply with his daughter's request to leave the home so she filed criminal charges against her father. "X" continues to this day to deny any sexual molestation of his own daughters. At first, I did not believe his daughter because of the adamant nature in which "X" professed his innocence concerning his own daughters. So, I supported "X" against his daughter and against my own daughters who also went to the authorities with their stories. I was angry with them and felt that they were behaving terribly by going to the authorities.
Once the authorities became involved, both of our families were investigated by the Division of Family Services. The children were all questioned to see if they wanted to relate any experience. My daughter, "A" (now seventeen), was interviewed. She related in her interview that Uncle "X" had used the vibrated down her buttocks. She has not admitted to experiencing orgasm. My other daughter, "E" (nineteen), admits to us that Uncle "X" used the vibrator on her, but it was no big deal in her mind. After "A's" interview, she no longer felt comfortable about being around her uncle so my wife and I told her that we would take her to some other assembly. This is how we first began attending services apart from the Tzaddikim. Everyone else in the assembly save perhaps for Hyssop's wife has basically circled the wagons around "X". They seem committed to protecting him against the authorities.
Gradually, once I was away from dealing with "X" on a weekly personal basis, I began to realize that I had been in denial concerning him. I at first believed him over his daughter because I in my heart did not think that this pattern of behavior could exist in a believer. My daughter "A" coming forward was very instrumental in changing my mind about "X's" guilt. I now believe him to be a child molester and pedophile.
I hope that this background information better enables you to understand Rovivrus' coming forward on the Lo Ammi Forum. If I controlled the forum, DeAnna, then I would always be there, but the forum is controlled by the Tzaddikim who have chosen to support an adult member over my children and niece simply because they are not believers. I do want all to know however that the Tzaddikim have graciously given us opportunity to write about these things. I have no recourse save to let the information come forward, and then to show my support by both remaining silent for a time and speaking openly at other times with the hope that my brothers do come to repentance. I generally do not burn bridges, DeAnna, but I am very disappointed with the Tzaddikim. Like you, I understand that it will take time. You know that I have a great love for the Tzaddikim and for the forum and for all the brothers and sisters that I have met through the forums. I need you all much more than you need me.
DeAnna, my brother actually engaged in sex play sessions in which he used a vibrator on "L" until she experienced an orgasm. She was nine years old at the time. "X" also used the vibrator on "B" (now 30 years old) who is two years older than "L". He also used the vibrator on Rovivrus (now 25 years old). "B" could remember also experiencing orgasms. "B" does not think that Uncle "X" knew when she was experiencing an orgasm because "B" did not actively or openly participate as did "L". Rovivrus' memories are less vivid because she was younger, but she does remember or have a sense of learning how to masturbate due to Uncle "X's" use of a vibrator to massage her body. Rovivrus grew up thinking that she was cursed because of the struggle that went on in her mind over masturbation. I know that feeling because I was taught how to masturbate at age nine by a cousin twice my age.
After Elder "X" was confronted about his molestation, he was very repentant. He came to our home and asked my wife and myself for forgiveness which we did grant him. He was restored to fellowship with our assembly. During this time period, I myself questioned my brother "X" concerning his own daughters. I can remember asking him why he targeted my daughters while leaving his own alone? In my heart, I did not understand so I wanted to know. He denied any molestation of his own daughters saying that such activity was too close to home. I accepted his explanation. Subsequently, his oldest daughter came forward with claims that he had also used the vibrator on her. She went to her father and confronted him and told him that she wanted him to leave his home for the safety and protection of her youngest sister. She also wanted her mother to divorce him because she knew in her heart that there was a time in her relationship with her father in which "X" did exalt her over her mother. We all can remember "X" elevating his daughter over his wife. "X" would not comply with his daughter's request to leave the home so she filed criminal charges against her father. "X" continues to this day to deny any sexual molestation of his own daughters. At first, I did not believe his daughter because of the adamant nature in which "X" professed his innocence concerning his own daughters. So, I supported "X" against his daughter and against my own daughters who also went to the authorities with their stories. I was angry with them and felt that they were behaving terribly by going to the authorities.
Once the authorities became involved, both of our families were investigated by the Division of Family Services. The children were all questioned to see if they wanted to relate any experience. My daughter, "A" (now seventeen), was interviewed. She related in her interview that Uncle "X" had used the vibrated down her buttocks. She has not admitted to experiencing orgasm. My other daughter, "E" (nineteen), admits to us that Uncle "X" used the vibrator on her, but it was no big deal in her mind. After "A's" interview, she no longer felt comfortable about being around her uncle so my wife and I told her that we would take her to some other assembly. This is how we first began attending services apart from the Tzaddikim. Everyone else in the assembly save perhaps for Hyssop's wife has basically circled the wagons around "X". They seem committed to protecting him against the authorities.
Gradually, once I was away from dealing with "X" on a weekly personal basis, I began to realize that I had been in denial concerning him. I at first believed him over his daughter because I in my heart did not think that this pattern of behavior could exist in a believer. My daughter "A" coming forward was very instrumental in changing my mind about "X's" guilt. I now believe him to be a child molester and pedophile.
I hope that this background information better enables you to understand Rovivrus' coming forward on the Lo Ammi Forum. If I controlled the forum, DeAnna, then I would always be there, but the forum is controlled by the Tzaddikim who have chosen to support an adult member over my children and niece simply because they are not believers. I do want all to know however that the Tzaddikim have graciously given us opportunity to write about these things. I have no recourse save to let the information come forward, and then to show my support by both remaining silent for a time and speaking openly at other times with the hope that my brothers do come to repentance. I generally do not burn bridges, DeAnna, but I am very disappointed with the Tzaddikim. Like you, I understand that it will take time. You know that I have a great love for the Tzaddikim and for the forum and for all the brothers and sisters that I have met through the forums. I need you all much more than you need me.
Sincerely, Spying
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