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**OldShepherd** · 12-08-2001, 06:42 AM

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Lou the Liar,

Lou posted;
I did a lot of searching on the subject of the Holy Trinity and I do clearly see that the Ruach (i.e. Hebrew Strong #7307 "Spirit", Noun, Feminine) of God is feminine after all. The prenominal suffix is not attached to Ruach in Genesis 1:2 so it can stand as feminine. In the places where there is a reference to “His Spirit” like in Job 26:13 it has nothing to do with the Holy Ghost!

It is evident that you did a lot of searching Lou. You just keep posting the same Strong's definition over and over.

Lou posted;
In reality the gender of the Hebrew word “Ruach” can be either feminine or masculine depending on the pronominal suffix, but this is done in rare cases.

Lou tell us again about those rare cases.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit (resh, waw, heth, yod (yod = 1 c. s. pronominal suffix)) shall not always strive with man,

Pr 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out My spirit (resh, waw, heth, yod (yod = 1 c. s. pronominal suffix)) unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

Isa 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of My spirit (resh, waw, heth, yod (yod = 1 c. s. pronominal suffix)), that they may add sin to sin: (Isa 42:1, Isa 44:3, Isa 59:21)

Eze 36:27 And I will put my My spirit (resh, waw, heth, yod (yod = 1 c. s. pronominal suffix)) you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, (Eze 37:14, Eze 39:29)

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out My spirit (resh, waw, heth, yod (yod = 1 c. s. pronominal suffix)) upon all flesh; (Joe 2:29)

Hag 2:5 According to the word that I covenanted with you when ye came out of Egypt, so My spirit (resh, waw, heth, yod (yod = 1 c. s. pronominal suffix)) remaineth among you:

Zec 4:6 Not by might, nor by power, but by My spirit (resh, waw, heth, yod (yod = 1 c. s. pronominal suffix)), saith the LORD of hosts.

Ex 35:21 And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit (resh, waw, heth, waw (waw = 3 m. s. pronominal suffix)) made willing,

Nu 11:29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit (resh, waw, heth, waw (waw = 3 m. s. pronominal suffix)) upon them!

Job 26:13 By his spirit (resh, waw, heth, waw (waw = 3 m. s. pronominal suffix)) he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent. (Job 34:14)

Ps 106:33 Because they provoked his spirit (resh, waw, heth, waw (waw = 3 m. s. pronominal suffix)), so that he spake unadvisedly with his lips.

Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit (resh, waw, heth, waw (waw = 3 m. s. pronominal suffix)) it hath gathered them.

Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his spirit (resh, waw, heth, waw (waw = 3 m. s. pronominal suffix)), hath sent me.

Zec 7:12 Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit (resh, waw, heth, waw (waw = 3 m. s. pronominal suffix)) by the former prophets:

Ex 35:21 And they came, every one whose heart stirred him up, and every one whom his spirit (resh, waw, heth, waw (waw = 3 m. s. pronominal suffix)) made willing,

Isa 63:10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: his spirit (resh, waw, heth, waw (waw = 3 m. s. pronominal suffix)) therefore he was turned to be their enemy, (Isa 63:11)

Ps 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit (resh, waw, heth, kaph (kaph = 2 m. s. pronominal suffix) from me. (Ps 104:30, Ps 139:7, Ps 143:10)

Ne 9:20 Thou gavest also thy good spirit (resh, waw, heth, kaph (kaph = 2 m. s. pronominal suffix) to instruct them,

In the places where there is a reference to “His Spirit” like in Job 26:13 it has nothing to do with the Holy Ghost!

Do any of these verses have anything to do with the Holy Spirit?

The truth is you haven't checked diddly squat, except your Strong's because you are intellectually incapable of doing do.

God’s personal masculine Spirit is all over creation and nobody can hide from him, but the Holy Ghost is restricted to a time and space. She is under the total control of God the Father and can act on the request of God the Son Jesus Christ. Sometimes when God the Father says, “My Spirit” he may not necessarily talk about the Holy Ghost who is also know as the “Spirit of God” in the OT. He may be talking about his own personal Spirit who is present everywhere at the same time. So anyone reading the Bible and especially the NT needs to be alert as to what “Spirit” is being referred at any given time.

Where do you get all this dog cur-wrap? Please show us the specific scriptures which identify two spirits of YHWH in the Tenakh. This I gotta see! Oh, I know it depends on just which lie you are telling at the time, whether its YHWH's masculine spirit or the lesbian spirit, subject to change if it doesn't agree with any particular lie.

**Stranger** · 12-08-2001, 09:55 AM

You didn't read me, Old Shep!

I said...

"The point that I am making is that there is cause in the Christian Holy Trinity team for a feminine entity that is totally ignored. The first person of the Holy Trinity, God the Father has his own masculine Spirit (i.e. Genesis 6:3). The second person God the Son Jesus Christ has his own masculine Spirit. He returned it to his Maker before expiring at the cross. And the third person, the Holy Ghost is a stand alone feminine Spirit (i.e. Genesis 1:2). The Holy Ghost is owned and operated by God the Father. God the Son Jesus Christ is the broker channeling God the Father resources including the feminine God the Holy Ghost to humanity. Jesus Christ said, “I will ask the Father and He will send the Holy Ghost.” The condition that made possible the sending of God the Holy Ghost to the world is a formal request of God the Son Jesus Christ to God the Father. God the Father did not send his personal Spirit (i.e. Genesis 6:3), but he sent God the Holy Ghost (i.e. feminine from Genesis 1:2 the same one who went after the Blessed Virgin Mary.)"

I hope you finally get it now... You seem to be having problems understanding the mystery of the Holy Trinity.

**OldShepherd** · 12-09-2001, 06:52 AM

The Liar posted,
The point that I am making is that there is cause in the Christian Holy Trinity team for a feminine entity that is totally ignored. (Note, You have not shown any competent evidence from any authoritative Hebrew/Greek language or Biblical source which shows this. O.S.)The first person of the Holy Trinity, God the Father has his own masculine Spirit (i.e. Genesis 6:3). The second person God the Son Jesus Christ has his own masculine Spirit. He returned it to his Maker before expiring at the cross. (Note, in Lu 23:46 "Jesus. . .cried with a loud voice, . . .Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: (4151). Elsewhere you argue that the pronoun points to a neuter noun, therefore by your own argument Jesus' Spirit cannot be masculine. O.S.) And the third person, the Holy Ghost is a stand alone feminine Spirit (i.e. Genesis 1:2). (Note, you have not provided any scriptural evidence that the Holy Spirit is a stand alone Feminine Spirit. O.S.)

To correct false information you have been puking here. Note, this quote from BDB. ruach does not require the pronominal suffix to be masculine. This can be verified by referring to the LXX., which is available online.

(resh, waw, heth) n. f. (less oft. m.) breath, wind, spirit — 1. breath of mouth or nostrils: a. breath. b. as mere breath: cf. 2 e. c. as word of command: (1) of God; (2) of Messianic king. d. as hard breathing through the nostrils in anger: (1) of God; (2) of man.
The Abridged Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, 1997

Not content to post one single definition from Strong's as the final authority on the Hebrew of the O.T.. Now this lying piece of dog puke, tries to teach us Greek.

Posted by the Liar,
John 14:17 (KJV) Even the Spirit (Strong Greek #4151, noun neuter) of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth HIM (i.e. “autos” should be translated IT because it is pointing to #4151 noun which is neuter!) not, neither knoweth HIM (i.e. “autos” should be translated IT because it is pointing to #4151 noun which is neuter!) : but ye know HIM(i.e. “autos” should be translated IT because it is pointing to #4151 noun which is neuter!) ; for HE (i.e. “autos” should be translated IT because it is pointing to #4151 noun which is neuter!) dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Here is a quote from an authoritative Greek language source, which proves you wrong once again! There are also several Greek language sources online which will verify this.

42. Greek employs grammatical gender. A noun may be masculine or feminine even if it does not refer to a male or female and Greek may use the neuter gender even for words which refer to males or females." An Introduction to N.T. Greek, R. A. Martin, Union Hoerman Press, 1978, p. 13

Lou, remember my comment about Chess? You have shown your asinine ignorance over and over again. How is it you can spend hours digging through worthless garbage like the so-called "Protoevangelium of James" and the "Gospel of Barnabas.", to find one or two sentences which you think prove something or other about Christianity but you are totally incompetent to find or understand basic rules of Grammar. You blow it off, with "nobody wants a Grammar lesson." But if you are talking to someone in another language you'd better know something about that language or you might wind up cursing or insulting them by saying or using a word in the wrong way. So if Grammar is important in everyday conversation then how much more is it important in Bible studies?

Before you try to teach anyone anything about Biblical languages you should know what you are talking about. I have proven repeatedly that you don't know diddly squat, but how to cut and paste from Strong's.

In these two threads you can't make up your mind if the Holy Spirit is always feminine, is/is not a Lesbian, or now sometimes masculine. You have lied repeatedly and made lame excuses to cover it up. You want to babble on about Mary's supposedly illicit lesbian affair with all kinds of asinine details with no scriptural evidence, but refuse to explain how the Jesus birth narrative differs from the creation story in the O.T.. The angel visiting Mary and Joseph, according to you, is something out of Greek mythology but you refuse to respond to questions about heavenly beings taking wives of human in Genesis.

Dog Puke, you are the one that is not responding. I'm not the one with a problem about the Trinity, you haven't proven diddly squat about the Trinity. All you have done is puke out your own lies and ignorance.

Kh'kheilev shav 'al-khe'ow kh'shil shoneh b'iwalto

**Stranger** · 12-09-2001, 03:43 PM

Wait a minute, Old Shep you are not off the hook yet!

(Note, in Lu 23:46 "Jesus. . .cried with a loud voice, . . .Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: (4151). Elsewhere you argue that the pronoun points to a neuter noun, therefore by your own argument Jesus' Spirit cannot be masculine. O.S.)

Here Jesus Christ is returning to his alleged father HIS masculine spirit. Jesus Christ is not talking here about God the Holy Ghost (i.e. the same feminine "Spirit of God" from Genesis 1:2) that his alleged father is going to send after he makes his formal request to God the father when he goes to Heaven after he dies!

There is no need to involve any "authority" to understand the mystery of the Holy Trinity clearly stated in the NT that even a child can understand.

1) God the Father has his own personal MASCULINE spirit (Hebrew #7307) (Genesis 6:3)

2) God the Son Jesus Christ has his own personal MASCULINE spirit (Greek #4151) (Luke 23:46)

3) The Spirit of God Feminine (Hebrew #7307) (Genesis 1:2)
Is a standalone "Spirit" or "Ghost." She is the same third person of the Holy Trinity,
Holy Ghost, Neuter, but feminine (Greek #4151) (John 14:17) by virtue of R. A. Martin's statement in his book, An Introduction to N.T. Greek, "A noun may be masculine or feminine even if it does not refer to a male or female and Greek may use the neuter gender even for words which refer to males or females."

So in John 14:17 the Neuter gender of (Greek #4151) should be in fact feminine because it is in reference to the Feminine gender of (Hebrew #7307)

The "spirit" (4151) that God the Son Jesus Christ delivered in the hands of God the Father is not God the Holy Ghost (4151) or "the Spirit of God" (7307) that the Jesus Christ was going to formally ask God the Father to send in his name. It makes no sense for God the Son Jesus Christ to ask God the Father to send God the Holy Ghost to the Christians when SHE was already with Jesus Christ all the way to the cross. I am surprised that you are confusing the spirits that make up the Christian Holy Trinity.

Again, there are 3 (three) spirits in the alleged Holy Trinity.

1) One is the personal masculine spirit of God the Father (Genesis 6:3).
2) Another is the personal masculine spirit of God the son (Luke 23:46).
3) And the third one is the feminine "Spirit of God" of Genesis 1:2 a.k.a. Holy Ghost, a.k.a. Spirit of Truth, a.k.a. Comforter, or what have you.

Please make sure you have all the spirits present and accounted for, Sir! There are 2 masculine and one feminine for a total of 3.

The translators of John 14:17 and John 14:26 mistranslated the gender of the standalone Spirit of God or Holy Ghost because of the traditional bias against the feminine gender in the Bible translations. Genesis 1:2 implies a feminine entity physically and grammatically. I think that you are playing “hard to get.” You are trying to confuse people implying that the spirit of Jesus Christ is the Holy Ghost. B TW, study the limitations of the Holy Ghost, too!

**israelthebride** · 12-11-2001, 12:23 PM

Defining

WE are trying to define in our terms. ELOHIM cannot be defined that way. HE is the HEAD, HIS SPIRIT is joined to HIM, and HIS CREATION is forming HIS BODY. HE gives US a life to show HIS. HUSBAND + WIFE = ONE. Not until, WE understand TRUE MARRIAGE, WE will understand the ONEness of ELOHIM.
HUSBAND in HIS WORD is masculine.
WIFE in HIS WORD is feminine.
BODY in HIS WORD is physical.
ELOHIM in HIS WORD is masculine.

In HIS WORDs, "...and it is not good that (masculine) be without (feminine)..." "...together they will create..."
HIS WORD is consistent!!!!!!!

The Trinity

The trinity is such a small word to describe the completeness of ELOHIM. ELOHIM is SPIRIT. Since the beginning, ELOHIM in SPIRIT has hovered above the earth. Air, mist (cloud), wind = the same WORD ------- SPIRIT.

John 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the FATHER in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the FATHER seeks. 24 ELOHIM is spirit, and HIS worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

There has been (YESHUA) and will be three parts to ELOHIM. The HEAD, the SPIRIT, and the BODY - The TRUE MARRIAGE-The TRUE ONEness. The HUSBAND and the BRIDE. The TRUE BRIDE is HIS HOLY SPIRIT. The BRIDE is in ELOHOM, the HEAD of the BODY, and in US, the BODY’s parts.

ELOHIM is creating HIS BODY!!! When HE was here on earth He was in COMPLETE FORM, but death had to be conquered. Death was introduced by US, the BODY, in our sin. HE died INNOCENTLY and death was conquered. From HIS physical side, the BODY is created from the earth and a part is taken from HIM to finish HIS creation (HIS HOLY SPIRIT). Together HIS SPIRIT and HIS BODY create the TRUE BRIDE.

John 19:33 But when they came to YESHUA and found that HE was already dead, they did not break HIS legs. 34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced YESHUA's side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. 36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not one of HIS bones will be broken," 37 and, as another scripture says, "They will look on the ONE they have pierced."

Again, ELOHIM is creating HIS BODY!!! Look at the "atom". Physically it has a center and objects orbiting around that center. Look at the "universe" (which by the way means ONE WORD) and it has a center with objects orbiting around that center. They look alike. The universe is made of atoms that have come together as ONE WORD. The atom is in the image of the universe.

So, again, ELOHIM is creating HIS BODY!!! HE is the HEAD. HIS SPIRIT is in HIS BODY. WE are HIS BODY. WE are in HIS IMAGE!!! HE has given US our body. Our body will never deny US. Our body will follow US anywhere, sadly, even into sin.

The difference between our given body and HIS, is that HIS BODY will CHOOSE to be HIS!!!
HIS BODY will CHOOSE to be HIS HOLY BODY!!!!!!!

WE will be ONE!!!

FATHER (HEAD)-------SPIRIT (BRIDE)-------CREATED BODY (SON)

WE are called the sons (children) of ELOHIM.
ABBA loves US!!!

Those with HIS SPIRIT will hear.

WE are ONE!!!!!!!

**Stranger** · 12-15-2001, 07:26 AM

Shalom Bride...

WE are called the sons (children) of ELOHIM.
ABBA loves US!!!

According to Christianity it is an atomic minority of "children" who are loved by Elohim. All the Jews and the rest of the world will be sizzling forever in a sulfuric Inferno for the enjoyment of the "Lamb of God," the 144K virgin men of Israel, and all them who walked down the aisle and invited Jesus Christ into their heart. However, they shouldn't stake all their hope in their faith because instead of watching them frying in Hell they may turn out to be the object of being watched. Saint Paul said that,

Romans 9:16 (NIV) It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

According to the NT God's mercy is a one-shot deal. Some televangelists will tell you that God is the God of the second chance. Not so! That is a sales pitch! They want to keep you supporting their ministry in spite of the fact that you already blew the only change you ever had of being saved by grace. Now you are most likely at the mercy of God. So if you are a Christian, my advice to you is make sure you don't fall into temptation. You probably did already because there is nobody that sinneth not. So no matter how much you cry and pray you are totally at the mercy of a loving Christian God. Jesus Christ was heard only because he was sweating blood when he was praying. That sure impressed God. How about you? How does your prayers measure up? BTW, I am not the devil. I use the NT and I don't misquote the NT. The devil uses the OT.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NIV) It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Hebrews 10:29-31 (NIV) How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people (i.e. the Jews. "He came to his own people" --John 1:11")."
31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hey, Bride,

WE are ONE!!!!!!!

Is that from a Coca-Cola commercial?

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