The Curse Of The Law!

[Spying]

Hi Lucy and EliYah,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Shabbat Shalom to the two Sabbath Breakers.

Lucy does not observe or keep a physical Sabbath Day because she believes that Jesus is her Sabbath Day, and, of course, the Law was completely destroyed in 70 AD. EliYah does not observe or keep the Sabbath Day as observed by the Jews. EliYah follows a program of Sabbath observance that is determined by the sighting of the New Moon each month. So, in EliYah's view, anyone who follows the Jews in observing the Sabbath Day each week on Saturday is following a pagan tradition.

Accordingly, Lucy would have everyone repent of their Law observance (across the board), and EliYah would have everyone repent of following the Jews in their Sabbath observance. Naturally, both Lucy and EliYah are fully convinced that they themselves are following Jesus in their practice.

Recently, Lucy taught on this forum that the Law itself is a curse. EliYah challenged Lucy to prove her assertion according to the Scriptures. Such challenges according to Lucy are worthless because the Scriptures, according to her view, have been totally corrupted, and, therefore, no one according to the Scriptures can prove anything. Understandably, according to her view, there exists no way to prove anything according to the Scriptures because of the corruption factor. All Scriptures must initially be considered false because of the lying scribe scenario. All Scripture must be considered dung until any scripture can be accepted as a diamond. Of course, the dung verses the diamond verses is totally based upon the perception factor of those like Lucy who have no belief in the Law.

Thanking either of you in advance should you be moved to give answer in whatever way you do desire, I am, Sincerely, Latuw

[LucySmith]

Very simple to expound upon the curse of the law

AKA - THE YOKE [ OF BONDAGE] TOO HARD TO BEAR = ACCORDING TO APOSTLE PETER AND CREW [ acts 15]
why is the law a curse
WARNING
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written
"Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them."

- no one could keep 613 laws - all died.
SO THE REDEEMER CAME for the lost.
70AD CAME AND WIPED THE WHOLE SYSTEM OFF THE MAP.
ofcourse the law mongers [ to mix the law with the gospel] will pull you back, under its curses if you believe them

whatever you do DONT GO THERE because you are warned - you have to keep the whole 613 of them otherwise you are become in the cursed group
= and millions are there from very false teachers
= like Herbert Armstrong and co.
BUT his ministry has collapsed from its overload of evil information.

REMEMBER HEBERTS TEACHINGS ARE NOT DEAD ON THESE FORUMS.
THE GUILE REMAINS

END OF STORY


ask what is the curse of the law - the absence of the holy spirit
under the new covenant IT IS THE RIGHTEOUS WHO LIVE BY FAITH - THEY ARE CALLED '' THE JUST '' - I LIVE THIS WAY

JESUS SAID ''my yoke'' is easy.
PETER SAID ''a yoke to hard to bear.

choice - the law
choice - the gospel

you cannot choose the 2 and mix and match

[LucySmith]

Ps added

SPYING FORGOT TO MENTION A TRUTH I ALWAYS POST....in his critique of me.

THAT IS
JESUS TEACHES '''BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM,'''
JESUS= then goes on to explain the differences in the 2 characters presented IN ALL BIBLE DRAMAS


THE TWO FRUITS
HIS FATHER= of mercy forgiveness joy kindness and love etc
satan= the destroyer of life

YOU LOOK at the story and the character they are presented as.
THEN EXAMINE THEIR FRUITS AS A MINISTRY OUT TO OTHERS
RESULTS
when you do this =- you are able to DISCERN the work of satan and the work of OUR FATHER

HOWEVER THERE IS 1 DRAWBACK
IF YOU ARE '' THE CHURCHED'' and brainwashed, and a bible idolater
you have not had the training of Yeshua, and granted the ability of true discernments

[Spying]

Your Flower Shop Lady Lucy!

Hi Lucy,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Shabbat Shalom to the Sabbath Breaker!

I looked up your name, Lucy, in Wikipedia, and I found that the primary meaning of your name is "of light (born at dawn or daylight, maybe also shiny, or of light complexion)". I also googled the surname "smith" and found that "smith" means to strike or smite. So, the forum name LucySmith conveys the idea of light striker or light smiter.

Knowing you as I do, I doubt if you look upon yourself in the above manner. I am more inclined to imagine that you look upon yourself as bringing or bearing the light of a morning star. Am I correct in this assessment?

I have looked at the website of your flower shop (Yes, EliYah, Lucy does own a very successful flower shop) a number of times, and according to your own words, you do consider yourself to be a light in your local community. In looking at the staff picture of the personnel at your flower shop, I noticed that the staff photo lacks anyone of color. I just have to ask right here, Lucy, are there no aboriginal ladies qualified to work for you in your flower shop?

While the staff photo reveals a group of ladies that are very attractive, I did notice that a number of them are overweight. I enjoyed looking at the photo of your eldest son. His beard is almost as full as my own, but the length of his hair far exceeds my own, and I could not help but notice from his size that he himself enjoys eating.

Is you flower shop open for business all 7 days of the week? If not, what day do you close your shop?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[Eliyah]

Hi Lucy and EliYah,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Shabbat Shalom to the two Sabbath Breakers.

Lucy does not observe or keep a physical Sabbath Day because she believes that Jesus is her Sabbath Day, and, of course, the Law was completely destroyed in 70 AD. EliYah does not observe or keep the Sabbath Day as observed by the Jews. EliYah follows a program of Sabbath observance that is determined by the sighting of the New Moon each month. So, in EliYah's view, anyone who follows the Jews in observing the Sabbath Day each week on Saturday is following a pagan tradition.

Accordingly, Lucy would have everyone repent of their Law observance (across the board), and EliYah would have everyone repent of following the Jews in their Sabbath observance. Naturally, both Lucy and EliYah are fully convinced that they themselves are following Jesus in their practice.

Recently, Lucy taught on this forum that the Law itself is a curse. EliYah challenged Lucy to prove her assertion according to the Scriptures. Such challenges according to Lucy are worthless because the Scriptures, according to her view, have been totally corrupted, and, therefore, no one according to the Scriptures can prove anything. Understandably, according to her view, there exists no way to prove anything according to the Scriptures because of the corruption factor. All Scriptures must initially be considered false because of the lying scribe scenario. All Scripture must be considered dung until any scripture can be accepted as a diamond. Of course, the dung verses the diamond verses is totally based upon the perception factor of those like Lucy who have no belief in the Law.

Thanking either of you in advance should you be moved to give answer in whatever way you do desire, I am, Sincerely, Latuw

Spying,

This is really your assessment of ye self, especially of ye Saturday Sabbath that is no where found in the scriptures, and ye have made no attempt to prove it in the scriptures either.

Below is Troy Miller's article on the 3 types of days recognized in the scriptures.

There are Three Distinct Categories of Day.

Torah observers very astutely (and correctly) say that when the words Commandments, Statutes, and Judgments appear in the same passage of Scripture that they cannot be referring to the same thing. These are the three separate divisions in YHVH’s codified law, there are not just two (Moral and ceremonial) as is commonly taught. The penmen of these passages were not saying, Ten Commandments, Ten Commandments, and Ten Commandments. The two divisions of the law were invented to stem the tide of the Reformation and is the work of Catholic Scholar, Thomas Aquinas.

That said, please consider the following: When work days, new moon days and Sabbath days appear in the same passage, is it ever possible for these days to concurrently occupy the same 24 hour period of time, or do these days fall into three separate categories?

It is of note that the 8 or so passages that mention the feast days, new moons and Sabbaths are listing them comparatively, as they are similar in nature; they are all appointed times. However, the passages below that mention the different types of days contrast the work days as being very different from the worship days, unequal to the new moon or Sabbath days. They are not similar in nature.

Thus saith the Sovereign YHVH; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the Sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened. Ezekiel 46:1, see also verse 3.

What happens if new moon falls on a Tuesday (on man’s calendar)? Is the gate open or shut? There is no right answer. The solution is that the new moon NEVER falls on a work day because it is NOT a work day. It is a third category of day. The gate is closed on all SIX work days. This passage in Ezekiel is the only one in Scripture that mentions all three types of days in the same passage, but the following passages very clearly imply that the work days are separate from the new moon days and Sabbaths.

In context of the passage, it was during a work day that the Shunammite woman’s husband asked? Wherefore wilt thou go to him to day? it is neither new moon, nor Sabbath. II Kings 4:23

Future work days will also be observed as separate from the worship days: And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YHVH. Isaiah 66:23 [Worship days are not work days.]

… When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the Sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit? Amos 8:5 These wicked retailers were seeking to set out their “goods” on the appropriate days, the six working days.

The New Moon is not a weekly Sabbath; a new moon day is a non-commerce day; a commerce day is not a worship day. The Sabbath and new moons are worship days. Do the math—you will discover that there are 3 separate categories of days in YHVH’s calendar: new moon days, work days, and Sabbaths. Since Scripture indicates that these days cannot take place at the same time, do not overlap or share the same space, then we need to rework our understanding of the calendar. Clearly, the Gregorian calendar has not been ordained by YHVH. No true doctrine will lose anything by close examination.

The cloud is moving. We need either to follow or be left in the wilderness.

http://creationcalendar.com/

It is strange that the saturnsday naysayers will run through hoops trying to disprove the true scriptural seventh day Sabbath, and then offer NO scriptural proof for their saturnsday as being the Sabbath.

[Eliyah]

PS: Spying,

I'm not the one on here harping all of the time about someone breaking ye satyrsday sabbath(I did not know that I had that long of arms and legs to reach all the way to MO to step on ye satyrsday to break it.) every false beast week.

[Spying]

Father Time!

Hi EliYah,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Shabbat Shalom to the Sabbath Breaker!

You wrote in reply to me these words:
"Spying,

This is really your assessment of ye self, especially of ye Saturday Sabbath that is no where found in the scriptures, and ye have made no attempt to prove it in the scriptures either."

That is absolutely correct. Why should I argue with you concerning my practice? My practice is my walk. You do not like my walk, nor do you walk in my walk. That is your problem, not mine.

Time will tell, EliYah. Should you grow older and get sick and die, your death will prove that you yourself were in some fashion under the Law because physical death is the wages of sin. Should I grow older and get sick and die, then my death will prove that I myself was in some fashion likewise under the Law.

Let's wait and see. According to my belief, I do have time working for me even though I am quite a bit older than you.

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[Eliyah]

Hi EliYah,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Shabbat Shalom to the Sabbath Breaker!

You wrote in reply to me these words:
"Spying,

This is really your assessment of ye self, especially of ye Saturday Sabbath that is no where found in the scriptures, and ye have made no attempt to prove it in the scriptures either."

That is absolutely correct. Why should I argue with you concerning my practice? My practice is my walk. You do not like my walk, nor do you walk in my walk. That is your problem, not mine.

Time will tell, EliYah. Should you grow older and get sick and die, your death will prove that you yourself were in some fashion under the Law because physical death is the wages of sin. Should I grow older and get sick and die, then my death will prove that I myself was in some fashion likewise under the Law.

Let's wait and see. According to my belief, I do have time working for me even though I am quite a bit older than you.

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

Well Spying,

Should you grow older and get sick and die, your death will prove that you yourself were in some fashion under the Law because physical death is the wages of sin.

You have already admitted that ye have grown older and aged since we last saw each other, so ye own words and image in a mirror disproves ye ideas.

Also, why haven't ye ever shown us in the scriptures that, ye will not grow older, get sick and die the first death, and why do ye DENY the scriptural examples proving that ye can?

Yah Messiah ONLY promises His true followers exemption from the second death Rev.2:11.

And, I don't DENY or contradict the written words of the first true witnesses the apostles regarding the first physical death, because there is coming a resurrection from the first physical death, and the scriptures is truly concerned about the second death, and not the first physical death.

[Eliyah]

Also Spying,

Yah Messiah, the apostle John, and thee apostle Paul does NOT share in ye own ideas of not dying the first physical death either, or they would have never said and written this below.

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again(resurrection) at the last day. John 6:39.

For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Philippians 1:21-23.

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Rev.14:13.

So much for ye lying minds nonsense.

[guyguy]

and the pride of life extensively

Time will tell, EliYah. Should you grow older and get sick and die, your death will prove that you yourself were in some fashion under the Law because physical death is the wages of sin. Should I grow older and get sick and die, then my death will prove that I myself was in some fashion likewise under the Law.

I John 2:16:

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life extensively, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

[Eliyah]

Guyguy,

That is exactly true, and thanks for quoting and reminding of that scripture.

And who would say that, If I live longer than you then that proves that I've kept the law better than you, and no apostle ever said any such thing.

[Eliyah]

Guyguy,

and the pride of life extensively

I see that ye quoted the Greek to English meaning directly too.

life

1. life extensively

http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G979&t=KJV

[Eliyah]

Yah Messiah the Master interpreter said, and I will re-quote His statement in Matthew 10:28; Luke 12:4-5 in 3 parts to be very easy to understand.

And fear not them(Man, beasts, the elements of this world or the first death) which kill the body(of man),

But they, Man, beasts, the elements of this world or the first death are not able to kill the psyche of man.

but rather fear him which is able to destroy both psyche and body in hell/Ghenna fire in the second death Revelation 20:14.

And death and grave were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev.20:14.

Messiah Himself tells us to NOT fear them that can kill in the first death, but to fear Him who can destroy permanently in the second death.

That's why the apostle James wrote.

Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a psyche from (the second) death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 5:20.

Messiah and thee apostles were concerned about the second death, and not the first physical death, because there is going to be a resurrection from the first death, but there is NO resurrection from the second death.

[LucySmith]

when the real facts are presented

not many are brave enough to LIVE UNDER A CURSE nor its CURSED SYSTEM
YES
you can con a lot of people into ''submission'' to the law of moses
- but when you simply explain its curses - many do an about turn and a rethink,.

I have never really seen wise people walk into a cursed belief.

[Eliyah]

not many are brave enough to LIVE UNDER A CURSE nor its CURSED SYSTEM
YES
you can con a lot of people into ''submission'' to the law of moses
- but when you simply explain its curses - many do an about turn and a rethink,.

I have never really seen wise people walk into a cursed belief.

Lucy,

Ye would not know the real truthful facts if it bit ye in the rear end dear.