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  • dont be afraid to ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS,

    QUESTION
    who actually is responsible to deliver, the lost captive from evil?
    the lords prayer says ''deliver us from evil''

    THE LORD'S PRAYER
    Our Father who art in heaven,
    hallowed be thy name.
    Thy kingdom come.
    Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
    Give us this day our daily bread,
    and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us,
    and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
    The Gospel of St. Matthew 6:9-13


    deliver = "to set free or liberate; to release or save."
    Thus, "deliver us from evil" means we are asking to be freed or saved from evil and expecting answered results.
    so in the asking = there should be the delivering from evil

    according to church theology ''' they say'' .........….In this life, we will never be free from evil doings Until we arrive in Heaven,
    if this is so The Father is not answering prayers of deliverance for the captives Jesus came to free.

    can you see my point here.
    This is a simple truth many miss.,~~~~BECAUSE SATAN WAS NEVER C.U.R.E.D in heaven~~~
    THE DELIVERING HAS TO BE DONE HERE.
    Last edited by LucySmith; 11-08-2018, 08:11 PM.

  • #2
    So when Jesus prayed
    , “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil,”
    He clarified in John 17,
    “Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.”
    the truth is a person.
    The Father delivers saints from evil by saturating us with the word,
    [Yeshua is the Word]

    sanctify =
    set apart as or declare holy; consecrate.
    synonyms:
    consecrate, make holy, make sacred, bless, hallow, set apart, dedicate to God, anoint, ordain, canonize, beatify
    "a small shrine was built to sanctify the site"
    synonyms:
    approve, sanction, give the stamp of approval to, underwrite, condone, justify, vindicate, endorse, support, back, ratify, confirm, warrant, permit, allow, accredit, authorize, legitimize, legitimatize


    •free from sin; purify.


    “As His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature
    God’s nature, or divine nature, is perfectly pure and it cannot be tempted by evil.
    We are promised that we can be partakers of the divine nature by fleeing the corruption in the world that comes through our lusts.
    As we gradually overcome our sinful human nature it is replaced by divine nature – God shares His own nature with his saints
    , having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”
    2 Peter 1:3-4.

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    • #3
      Abba's work is to Deliver and sanctify the saints.

      as declared
      DELIVERED= as a captive a saint is SET FREE FROM EVIL =liberated
      SANCTIFIED= then anointed, set apart, made holy.

      this is YESHUA'S WORKMANSHIP with each saint.

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      • #4
        now ask the serious questions

        WHY ?
        DO THE PEWS DIE IN their SIN and receive their wages.?

        WHY?
        were they not delivered from all their evil, and why not sanctified by being made holy.

        btw
        I NEVER ACCEPT LAME DUCK EXCUSES for blantant religious stupidity and unholy religious ignorance

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        • #5
          2000yrs we have heard this ''church religious indoctrination'' it goes like this

          '' All the penalty for our sins has been paid.
          Therefore, even though we know that Christians die, we should not view the death of Christians as a punishment from God or in any way a result of a penalty due to us for our sins.
          It is true that the penalty for sin is death, but that penalty no longer applies to us—not in terms of physical death, and not in terms of spiritual death or separation from God.
          All of that has been paid for by Christ.”



          Jesus came to abolish death


          satan was not c.u.r.e.d by his dwelling in ''HEAVEN'' NOR even being in the presence of God. - He is not cured nor healed from his malady
          God's advice nor presence NEVER cured SATAN


          Now
          ~~~most pews are indoctrinated into the lie and see no wrong here in this lying deception.
          AN OUTRIGHT MONSTER LIE is preached to the ignorant.

          the sacred truth is = the church is still UNDER satan and captive to death and NOT under the Goodnews and its liberty

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          • #6
            Ask the simple question

            why do all christians still die.
            and you will not like the answer

            they die because they remain under the law that creates SIN and then death follows
            why not ask Spying Ken Elijah/peach/guyguy [3 in 1 pretender] - they are law keepers but not the whole 613 laws ofcourse.

            this pitiful ignorance has seeped into church doctrines dogmas rituals and teachings from a misguided group of ancient hirelings upwards too to day.
            its so pitiful to see VCTIMS preaching the goodnews.
            how can a victim claim to be victorious?
            death is a defeated problem.
            its gone.
            JESUS SAID so

            OH no no no
            no no no no no
            no no THATS NOT RIGHT.!!!
            they all yell jumping up and down

            well you are not much of a '''seeker of the truth''
            nor a true divinely guided
            ''bible student'
            if you have not found the answer to this quest that is so clear and '' in your face'' you really cannot miss it.
            BUT THE BLIND DO

            THEY MISS THE GOODNEWS OF GOODWILL TO ALL MEN
            THE VICTIM CAPTIVE PREACH TO VICTIM CAPTIVES
            MAKING THIS WORLD FILLED WITH CAPTIVE VICTIMS. = the goat ministry /aka/the ministry for the goat herd.
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            the captives locked into a religious system that denies the power of life,

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            the victim preaching so the GRAVE WINS.

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            the law or else

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            the ministry of goats for goats..




            and the goodnews is only found by the truth seekers.

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            • #7
              oh yes there will be lots of religious screaming and hollowing

              you're a liar and a Jezebel
              a heretic and a demon has your tongue
              = all these lies will pour out from those churchy mouths
              why?
              BECAUSE THE devil LIKES NONE TO ESACPE THE TRAPS AND THE WILES he set up to hold 99.9% of people aka - who are captives to his bondages - death being his final one
              oh yes the law stooges will run amok

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              • #8
                Flucy.

                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                why do all christians still die.
                and you will not like the answer

                they die because they remain under the law that creates SIN and then death follows
                why not ask Spying Ken Elijah/peach/guyguy [3 in 1 pretender] - they are law keepers but not the whole 613 laws ofcourse.

                this pitiful ignorance has seeped into church doctrines dogmas rituals and teachings from a misguided group of ancient hirelings upwards too to day.
                its so pitiful to see VCTIMS preaching the goodnews.
                how can a victim claim to be victorious?
                death is a defeated problem.
                its gone.
                JESUS SAID so

                OH no no no
                no no no no no
                no no THATS NOT RIGHT.!!!
                they all yell jumping up and down

                well you are not much of a '''seeker of the truth''
                nor a true divinely guided
                ''bible student'
                if you have not found the answer to this quest that is so clear and '' in your face'' you really cannot miss it.
                BUT THE BLIND DO

                THEY MISS THE GOODNEWS OF GOODWILL TO ALL MEN
                THE VICTIM CAPTIVE PREACH TO VICTIM CAPTIVES
                MAKING THIS WORLD FILLED WITH CAPTIVE VICTIMS. = the goat ministry /aka/the ministry for the goat herd.
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                the captives locked into a religious system that denies the power of life,

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                the victim preaching so the GRAVE WINS.

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                the law or else

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                the ministry of goats for goats..




                and the goodnews is only found by the truth seekers.
                they die because they remain under the law that creates SIN and then death follows
                why not ask Spying Ken Elijah/peach/guyguy [3 in 1 pretender] - they are law keepers but not the whole 613 laws ofcourse.
                The law does not create sin; the law identifies and makes sin manifest, it's Satan the devil and people who sin, and merely claiming the law is abolished as U and many sects in Christianity have done for the past 100 years has not abolished sin either, and there are more sin in this world today thanks to those like U than anytime in history.
                It seems one is teaching the same Baphomet freemason doctrine of Albert Pike from Morals and Dogma; Pike believed and taught that YHWH was really the devil, and that the devil was really the true God, because he attributed his worldly riches to the devil as another one does the same.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                  you're a liar and a Jezebel
                  a heretic and a demon has your tongue
                  = all these lies will pour out from those churchy mouths
                  why?
                  BECAUSE THE devil LIKES NONE TO ESACPE THE TRAPS AND THE WILES he set up to hold 99.9% of people aka - who are captives to his bondages - death being his final one
                  oh yes the law stooges will run amok
                  Well Lucy,

                  You should ask yourself, why does my(your) "god" not do anything about the rampant sin in this world, however, you won't face up to that question though will you?

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                  • #10
                    He did

                    Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                    Well Lucy,

                    You should ask yourself, why does my(your) "god" not do anything about the rampant sin in this world, however, you won't face up to that question though will you?
                    2000yr ago HE CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE
                    and thank you for noticing HE IS MY GOD = but not yours AND THAT old chump. is the real difference.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                      2000yr ago HE CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE
                      Yea right Lucy, you live in your own little deceptive bubble, because you certainly have not stopped sinning, you still practice lawlessness to divine law 1 John 3:4.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                        2000yr ago HE CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE
                        and thank you for noticing HE IS MY GOD = but not yours AND THAT old chump. is the real difference.
                        And Lucy,

                        Your "god" is not the Deity of the scriptures Mrs chump, because Yahweh Messiah hates lawlessness/iniquity Hebrews 1:9, and your "god" loves lawlessness/iniquity as you're always harping it.

                        See here: http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...iniquity&t=KJV

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                        • #13
                          Listen Lucy,

                          Every Apostle writer of the New Testament will testify that Messiah is the Yahweh Deity of the old testament scriptures, and both Spying and Ken are well aware of this scriptural fact of truth.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                            Listen Lucy,

                            Every Apostle writer of the New Testament will testify that Messiah is the Yahweh Deity of the old testament scriptures, and both Spying and Ken are well aware of this scriptural fact of truth.
                            Here below is the testimony of both John and Thomas to this scriptural fact, and there is only ONE LORD/or Yahweh of the scriptures.

                            And Thomas answered and said unto him/Messiah, My Lord/Yahweh and my God/Elohim.

                            Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20:28-29.

                            Do you believe that Messiah is your LORD/Yahweh and your GOD/Elohim, because John and Thomas surely did?

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                            • #15
                              the victim preachers = the goat herd = go with the religious flow

                              a million preachers flow like Elijah/peach/guyguy
                              they flow out from the ancient past till today

                              VICTIMS
                              OF THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH stand up and preach and nothing rarely happens,
                              nothing changes = nope~ they die and they think they escaped hell [ a man made up lie]

                              SO the same old same old stuff becomes boring as the captives remain in their invisible chains longing for divine intervention that rarely comes.
                              they live
                              they die
                              And inbetween are trounced about all types of perils, they wished never happened.
                              alas

                              what is wrong with these people?
                              they did not believe, the king of glory to be saved freed and made alive.

                              '' OH YES ''they scream
                              ''we do we do we do''...…………………………………………………… the fruit is....................JESUS DOES NOT HAVE VICTIMS BUT VICTORS.


                              john 10 v 10

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