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  • The Law was Weak / Useless (Heb 7:18-19) Why A New Covenant if the First was Perfect?

    you have to consider the case of the 2 covenants
    Jesus called the 2 agreements - old wine and the new wine!
    then declared
    they could not be successfully mixed together
    BTW
    the gullible, the useless and the imperfect religious pews try to do this - as they sit under such imperfection.
    ALAS you become like the teaching you sit under


    Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the ... And no one pours new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the skins burst
    math 9 v 17

    Consider now - WOULD you be disobedient to the advise of JESUS, BY MIXING ALL 613 LAWS OF MOSES as 1 unit to obey = aka - called the old wine in an old wine skin - with the GOOD NEWS GOSPEL.

    yes you would be!

  • #2
    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
    you have to consider the case of the 2 covenants
    Jesus called the 2 agreements - old wine and the new wine!
    then declared
    they could not be successfully mixed together
    BTW
    the gullible, the useless and the imperfect religious pews try to do this - as they sit under such imperfection.
    ALAS you become like the teaching you sit under



    math 9 v 17
    Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the ... And no one pours new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the skins burst
    Consider now - WOULD you be disobedient to the advise of JESUS, BY MIXING ALL 613 LAWS OF MOSES as 1 unit to obey = aka - called the old wine in an old wine skin - with the GOOD NEWS GOSPEL.

    yes you would be!
    You lie again because Christ did not say your words in this verse; and it seems as if all you can do is lie.

    The Law was Weak / Useless (Heb 7:18-19) Why A New Covenant if the First was Perfect?
    Hebrews 4
    Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of disobedience:
    and neither will you enter the kingdom of God because of your disobedience.
    It seems one is teaching the same Baphomet freemason doctrine of Albert Pike from Morals and Dogma; Pike believed and taught that YHWH was really the devil, and that the devil was really the true God, because he attributed his worldly riches to the devil as another one does the same.

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    • #3
      the 613 laws given to moses by plural angels was SET ASIDE......

      SET ASIDE - 2 words that are very easy to understand
      - yet the religious pews never seem to notice these 2 words as they form their hybrid mutant beliefs
      so do you think they would die in this vast wilderness of ignorance and lack of true knowledge?
      OFCOURSE! - THEY PERISH from lack of true knowledge, - we are clearly told this

      so

      do you think satan would encourage the religious clergy and their people to SIT UNDER THE LAW AS it is essential to their salvation AND TO STOP THE DIVINE BLESSINGS OF A BETTER HOPE

      ofcourse!
      Moses must be their ''saviour!''

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      • #4
        Satanic efforts to stop = the better hope

        YES - they abound.

        Study Bible
        The Patches and the Wineskins
        16 No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment.
        For the patch will pull away from the garment, and a worse tear will result.
        7Neither do men pour new wine into old wineskins.
        If they do, the skins will burst, the wine will spill, and the wineskins will be ruined.
        Instead, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”
        SO WHEN a gullible religious person, insists we all must keep the law of Moses as a whole or in parts - they are the ''angels of light'' and pouring the old wine [ the law covenant to Israel only] into the new wine skin [ the new covenant aka gospel good news]

        NEW WINE.
        the BETTER HOPE.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
          SET ASIDE - 2 words that are very easy to understand
          - yet the religious pews never seem to notice these 2 words as they form their hybrid mutant beliefs
          so do you think they would die in this vast wilderness of ignorance and lack of true knowledge?
          OFCOURSE! - THEY PERISH from lack of true knowledge, - we are clearly told this

          so

          do you think satan would encourage the religious clergy and their people to SIT UNDER THE LAW AS it is essential to their salvation AND TO STOP THE DIVINE BLESSINGS OF A BETTER HOPE

          ofcourse!
          Moses must be their ''saviour!''
          The devil must be your savior; because you ignore Christ words where he upholds Moses and the law, and tells the apostles to do so.
          It seems one is teaching the same Baphomet freemason doctrine of Albert Pike from Morals and Dogma; Pike believed and taught that YHWH was really the devil, and that the devil was really the true God, because he attributed his worldly riches to the devil as another one does the same.

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          • #6
            Lucy,

            It looks like someone else has your number, and have figured out your deceptions too.

            I can't help but just smile.

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            • #7
              the ''angels of light'' will insist upon your disobedience! to the BETTER HOPE.

              WHO ARE these angels of light?
              If Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, how can we tell the difference between the true and the false?


              by their fruits.
              BE A FRUIT INSPECTOR BY NOT LOOKING AT THE LIPS BUT AT THE LIFE, as their testimony. - a withered up cursed life or a life of abundance and blessings.

              THE angels of light will try to divert you back into death [ the law of Moses] so you fail to enter into the BLESSED HOPE.

              warning to be very very careful - never fall into the trap Jesus rescued you out from.
              to draw near to our Father we must set aside the Law, because the Law strengthens sin in our lives increasing its hold on us instead of bringing us the reconciliation we need.
              Instead we should cling to the better hope by which we have full access to our real loving true FATHER Jesus introduced His believers too. [john 14]

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                WHO ARE these angels of light?
                If Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, how can we tell the difference between the true and the false?


                by their fruits.
                BE A FRUIT INSPECTOR BY NOT LOOKING AT THE LIPS BUT AT THE LIFE, as their testimony. - a withered up cursed life or a life of abundance and blessings.

                THE angels of light will try to divert you back into death [ the law of Moses] so you fail to enter into the BLESSED HOPE.

                warning to be very very careful - never fall into the trap Jesus rescued you out from.
                to draw near to our Father we must set aside the Law, because the Law strengthens sin in our lives increasing its hold on us instead of bringing us the reconciliation we need.
                Instead we should cling to the better hope by which we have full access to our real loving true FATHER Jesus introduced His believers too. [john 14]
                Sure, keep disobeying, because the wrath of Elohim will fall on the disobedient too.

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                • #9
                  Let no one deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. Ephesians 5:6-7.

                  Boy can she do that with vain words.

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                  • #10
                    the believer in His church understands this BLESSED HOPE

                    This blessed hope is in the person of Jesus who has paved the way for us, aka- HIS CHURCH to enter blamelessly into the ABBA'S very presence
                    HOW?
                    Hebrews 4:16,
                    Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.
                    Hebrews 10:19-22
                    Hold Fast Your Confession
                    19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness[a] to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus,
                    20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,
                    21 and having a High Priest over the house of God,
                    22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
                    AMEN - the 613 laws of Moses failed the ''blessed hope and the new and living way'' tests
                    the CAPTIVE TO THE 613 LAWS NOW SET FREE.


                    HOW?
                    His blood has completely wiped away the effects of sin in our lives once for all
                    ( Hebrews 9:12, Hebrews 9:14, Hebrews 9:26, Hebrews 9:28, Hebrews 10:10, Hebrews 10:12, Hebrews 10:14, Hebrews 10:18, Hebrews 10:22 ).

                    Hebrews 9:14 King James Version (KJV)
                    14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
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                    This is why we have this access.
                    Jesus imputed His righteousness to us when we believed; the righteousness required to fulfill the entire law.
                    Adherence to the law's 613 PARTS couldn’t make us righteous AS IT WAS DECLARED IMPERFECT TO SAVE

                    However Jesus fulfilled it because He was sinless.
                    Then He gave us His Spirit to replace that sin nature when we were born again, which is how He imputed His righteousness to us.
                    This is why He is the better hope by which we can come before God.
                    When we understand this, it gives us boldness and confidence before Abba instead of uncertainly and fear.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                      This blessed hope is in the person of Jesus who has paved the way for us, aka- HIS CHURCH to enter blamelessly into the ABBA'S very presence
                      HOW?
                      Hebrews 4:16,

                      Hebrews 10:19-22


                      AMEN - the 613 laws of Moses failed the ''blessed hope and the new and living way'' tests
                      the CAPTIVE TO THE 613 LAWS NOW SET FREE.


                      HOW?
                      His blood has completely wiped away the effects of sin in our lives once for all
                      ( Hebrews 9:12, Hebrews 9:14, Hebrews 9:26, Hebrews 9:28, Hebrews 10:10, Hebrews 10:12, Hebrews 10:14, Hebrews 10:18, Hebrews 10:22 ).


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                      https://www.google.com.au/search?q=p...w=1920&bih=909


                      This is why we have this access.
                      Jesus imputed His righteousness to us when we believed; the righteousness required to fulfill the entire law.
                      Adherence to the law's 613 PARTS couldn’t make us righteous AS IT WAS DECLARED IMPERFECT TO SAVE

                      However Jesus fulfilled it because He was sinless.
                      Then He gave us His Spirit to replace that sin nature when we were born again, which is how He imputed His righteousness to us.
                      This is why He is the better hope by which we can come before God.
                      When we understand this, it gives us boldness and confidence before Abba instead of uncertainly and fear.
                      Sorry Lucy,

                      But that is for those who have and keep His covenant, which you don't have.

                      Remember these verses that you refused?

                      http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...covenant&t=KJV

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                      • #12
                        'the angels of light' say - you must obey all or some parts of the 613 laws of Moses

                        given too him by the plural angels. [ fallen angels]?

                        the facts
                        Under the Law, the High Priest was allowed to enter into the Holy of Holies and into the presence of God once a year when he made atonement for the people.
                        However, when Jesus was crucified on the cross the curtain that had separated the people from God’s presence was torn entirely in two from top to bottom
                        ( Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45 ).
                        https://www.google.com.au/search?q=p...w=1920&bih=909

                        This was done by FATHER Himself showing us that Jesus paved the way for us to come with full assurance of faith and clean consciences ( Hebrews 10:22 ).

                        His body is now the curtain by which we can freely enter at will ( Hebrews 10:20 ).


                        This is why the law IN 613 PARTS is set aside when we are saved, because its purpose has been fulfilled in bringing us to Christ to be justified by faith.
                        Now that Jesus is our High Priest, He assures this access eternally.

                        “For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever” ( Hebrews 7:28 ).
                        Jesus is the better hope which gives us confidence before our Father as HIS HOLY NATION, set apart AND TO ENTER in the FATHER'S HOUSE

                        BE VERY AWARE, if you are deceived and brainwashed by a defiled clergy, to keep any part of the Law = you remain weak and imperfect.

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                        • #13
                          the law was given by plural angels?

                          could it be fallen angels?
                          the fruit of evil
                          well the fruits would be horrific and brutal cruel judgments on the mere whim of the god.
                          Hebrews 2:2
                          For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty,

                          Acts 7:38
                          "This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness together with the angel who was speaking to him on Mount Sinai, and who was with our fathers; and he received living oracles to pass on to you.
                          there are 4 Bible verses about Angels Giving The Law but 2 will bear witness.


                          an interesting tale of the laws....would you find Jesus gospel and goodnews SICKENING?

                          CONSIDER THIS
                          The Bible presents the law Giving not as a single dramatic event but as a lengthy process that begins on Sinai.
                          Moses descends Sinai not once but eight times, and more and more laws keep coming all the time.
                          Moses commits them to writing twice;
                          God inscribes two sets of tablets.
                          Moses conveys laws to the Israelites time and time again.

                          The complete story covers three and a half of the first five books of the Bible, known as the Torah, a full 60 percent of the 187 chapters.
                          It abounds in difficulties—at times appearing so disrupted and inconsistent, so contradictory and repetitive, that it is difficult to read as a continuous whole.

                          The full story—what I call the canonical account—of the giving of the law begins with the Israelites’ arrival at the foot of Mount Sinai (Exodus 19).
                          The Israelites have been led from Egypt to Mount Sinai by God himself, who appeared by day as a cloud and by night as a fire (Exodus 13:21).
                          At God’s summons, Moses ascends the mountain, where he is instructed to offer a covenant to the Israelite people.
                          In light of all he has done for them, God invites the Israelites to be his treasured people forevermore, as long as they agree to obey his commands.

                          The Israelites immediately accept the offer, though they have not yet heard the terms (Exodus 19:1–8).
                          Before presenting these, however, God informs Moses that he plans to hold a special audience with Moses, during which the people will be asked to “listen in” to ensure their belief in Moses’ prophecy.
                          After some preparation, a sound-and-light presentation takes place.
                          From the cloud-covered mountain, amidst thunder and lightning, the people overhear the voice of God saying the “Ten Words,” or Decalogue, to Moses.
                          The Ten Words are not the laws themselves, but rather a sampling of divine pronouncements, offered so that the people may hear the divine voice speak to a prophet (Exodus 19:9–20:14).
                          Stricken with terror, the people beg Moses to excuse them from listening any further to God’s voice and pledge to obey whatever Moses relays to them in God’s name.


                          Why is the story so inconsistent and discontinuous?
                          Why were the laws given in stages?
                          Why not convey them all to the people at one time, either on the mountaintop or in the Tabernacle?
                          Why do the laws given at these separate stages duplicate and contradict each other in hundreds of particulars?
                          These and similar questions have plagued readers for thousands of years, and traditional commentators have done their best to suggest harmonizing answers to them.

                          Dr. Baruch J. Schwartz, is currently teaching in the Department of Biblical Studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

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                          • #14
                            ONLY YOU can DECIDE if you wish to be regarded as'' imperfect and useless '' or

                            TRANSFORMED into a new creature [ a new race of being] birth out from His incorruptible seed.,
                            so~~~~
                            The independent thinker is asked to lay aside whatever traditional thought has found its way to them down through the millennia, and to take a step back to view the following with the unbiased common spiritual sense that is everybody’s birthright.

                            it begins here.
                            john 3 v 1
                            “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”.
                            Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old?
                            Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot see the kingdom of heaven
                            Jesus brought the greatest change to doctrine and creed that any religious system has ever known, and that with Christ, Israelite Law was superseded by a new Law.
                            There should be no doubt of this to an unbiased mind.
                            be warned
                            If You Follow The Israelite Law, Christ the power verb cannot be found IN you"!
                            none of the 613 laws should be followed - none - the law was fulfilled at the cross

                            the sad thing is
                            A large number of people who might call themselves Biblical Christians, sometimes quote from the Israelite law of the Old Testament (the Law of Moses) saying that this is "God's law", presumably expecting others to accept that the six hundred and thirteen pre-Christ Israelite laws and regulations are applicable to the present day society we find ourselves in.
                            Sometimes a person may quote from the OT "God says you must do this!" or "God says you must not do that!"
                            these laws were only given to the jews no other nations
                            Torrey's Topical Textbook
                            Leviticus 26:46
                            These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.
                            Torrey's Topical Textbook
                            Psalm 78:5
                            For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:
                            People naming themselves Christians who claim allegiance to the law of Moses have been led astray because they have misinterpreted the meaning of Jesus accomplishments and His purpose.
                            Hmmm thinking............
                            '''LED ASTRAY''' A NICE WORD FOR DESCRIBING ''betrayers. perhaps '' - REMEMBER JUDAS WAS''' IN''''' THE CHURCH

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                            • #15
                              Undoing the programming`

                              there are two species of humanity living side by side,
                              both groups look the same,
                              but one is sold out and in service to others,[BORN AGAIN]
                              while the other has the fleshly consciousness of service to self. [man of the matrix]

                              who would the Judas Tare pretenders be?
                              those who wish to place you back AS A CAPTIVE to the god of the OT and his useless law by denying the ''finished work of the cross''

                              to those who mix the law of Moses with the gospel - the tare
                              How hard would it be for you to accept the fact that your religion was now obsolete and the temple services meaningless, even the exalted office of priest and high priest no longer warranted? (Hebrews 7)
                              Consider how distressing a transition "from error" to "truth" can be! for Spying Ken Elijah [and the sox puppets]
                              [ it is very hard for these men to admit they have been deceived and led astray.]
                              The death of Jesus brought an end to an exclusive covenant that existed between Himself and the ancient nation of Israel.

                              A Fulfilled Covenant is a Finished Covenant
                              "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." (Matthew 23:38, KJV)

                              When these men try to bring back the law, their HOUSE IS LEFT DESOLATED
                              = Is this verdict true in real life of Spying, Ken, Elijah = yes ! their personal testimony on these 3 men prove this truth [ from the archives of lo ammi forum]

                              DESOLATE = meant that "never again" would His presence enter their lives!

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