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  • When the Bible Becomes an Idol

    yes, to the religious churchian - the BIBLE idol is lord.

    I wondered over this so I asked Yeshua
    ''why so'?

    because, their security is the book, AND ALAS NOT BY WALKING DAILY IN MY PRESENCE, = this is WHERE YOUR TRUE SECURITY LIES

    In John 5
    Jesus confronting some religious leaders saying,
    “You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life.
    These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life”
    (John 5:39-40).

    These leaders thought they possessed life by diligently studying Scripture
    What made these leaders feel accepted, worthwhile, and secure before God was that they knew their Bible and were confident they embraced the only true Bible-based beliefs.

    BUT LACK OF KNOWLEDGE MADE THEM PERISH.
    consider this problem
    MILLIONS of people study the bible and perish from lack of knowledge.
    why?

    The one true source of life IS Yeshua = the life.

    He was trying to get them to see that there is no life in knowing the Bible and embracing Bible-based beliefs!
    THE WAY INTO THE TRUTH IS BY KNOWING HIM intimately as a person, and HIM telling you how to live and remain alive here as HE DID successfully- and that secret is not found in the book.

    it is HIS KNOWLEDGE, THAT ONLY HE CAN GIVE, TO HIS CHURCH, and this knowing is not found in a book because if it was ''MY PEOPLE'' would not perish from lack of knowledge!!!!

  • #2
    Yeshu SAID THIS

    I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH, and the gates [opening] of hell [the grave death perishing] will not prevail against her''
    why not?
    BECAUSE, as He builds His church, He tells His people HOW not to perish, and this knowledge can ONLY COME FROM HIMSELF AS THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE!

    NO WORD written by Jesus HIMSELF is found In the whole bible - the bible is written by others.
    however the fact is
    There’s a demonic self-reinforcing quality about idolatry that can be discerned in these leaders.
    By trying to derive false life from their confident knowledge of Scripture instead of the One Scripture points to YESHUA, these leaders had made an idol of their knowledge of Scripture BUT THEY ALL DIED FROM LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.

    THE BIBLE FLAWS [aka -FLAWED INFORMATION]
    Anyone who seriously reads the Bible has already seen the flaws.
    The problem is not seeing the flaws; it’s facing them.

    Those of us who’ve read the book know the laws in the Old Testament.
    We know how the apostles disagreed.
    SO this is where idolatry comes in – millions pretend that we saw nothing and move on.
    Or
    if we’re trying to be very religious, people come up with creative interpretations to resolve the flaws.

    the flaws, are errors that cause ''lack of knowledge''

    ONLY BY AN INTIMATE BINDING TO YESHUA can His teaching be imparted and our security assured.
    why?
    the greatest teaching of Yeshua is love as HIS FATHER IS LOVE.
    The central requirement for any follower of Jesus is to love.
    Everything else comes second.
    Jesus not only taught this again and again; He exhibited it in His life.

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    • #3
      the bible is flawed Yeshua's intimate teaching is not

      PR 30:5 Every word of God proves true.
      JE 8:8 The scribes (copyists, editors, teachers) falsify the word.

      note
      Not every word of God can prove true if God deceives anyone at all; teaching from the Bible cannot be trusted if the scribes falsify the word.
      In other words, the first reference is mutually exclusive with the other three.
      Thus, the Bible cannot be the perfect work of a perfect, all-powerful and loving God since one or more of the above references is obviously untrue.

      Note also: Some versions use the word "persuade" rather than "deceives."
      The context makes clear, however, that deception is involved.
      EZ 20:25 God says that he intentionally gave out bad laws.
      (This means that God-given laws or commandments are sometimes suspect.)

      you face the FLAWED WORKS, and then seek an intimate OR reconciled relationship to The Saviour, then He alone gives you His knowledge on how not to perish

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      • #4
        the divine security we need as a believer is not found in a book

        as bible idolaters still perish from lack of knowledge
        [so sad]
        what is an idolater?
        ARE YOU ONE it is a waste of time


        false knowledge
        EX 20:8-11, 31:15-17, 34:21, 35:1-3
        No work of any kind is to be done on the Sabbath, not even lighting of a fire.
        This commandment is permanent for the jews.
        Death is required for infractions.
        consider this law in todays world
        (Note: This would require even that essential services, such as hospitals, police departments, etc., shut down on the Sabbath.)

        how foolish are converted sabbath keepers. [ dull of hearing due to lack of knowledge]
        sabbath idolaters
        repent from your foolishness., and your flawed knowledge!
        the true FACT IS
        your ''security'' [of works of the OT law ] is founded on flawed knowledge, not upon the intimate relationship with our Saviour! who willingly disobey the sabbath observerance!!

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        • #5
          Jesus is not a book based religion

          as He never wrote one word.
          The really sad part of this is that the Bible idolaters do have experience with the divine impulse, of contact or at least innate yearning for a transcendent ultimate.
          But they never develop these things, because they’re busy idolizing a mere book, following the traditions and commandments of men.
          clue clue
          And they really should have known, because the book says that the letter killeth.
          =the real problem=why? … that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
          What is most highly esteemed among men?
          the power of control including + ''religious might'' ofcourse as a religious mind control system
          “Many Christians are putting too much emphasis on the Bible instead of Christ the power verb and of the Holy Spirit of living life.”
          Last edited by LucySmith; 08-21-2018, 11:34 PM.

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          • #6
            The folly of a fool.

            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
            yes, to the religious churchian - the BIBLE idol is lord.

            I wondered over this so I asked Yeshua
            ''why so'?

            because, their security is the book, AND ALAS NOT BY WALKING DAILY IN MY PRESENCE, = this is WHERE YOUR TRUE SECURITY LIES

            In John 5
            Jesus confronting some religious leaders saying,

            “You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life.
            These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life”
            (John 5:39-40).

            These leaders thought they possessed life by diligently studying Scripture
            What made these leaders feel accepted, worthwhile, and secure before God was that they knew their Bible and were confident they embraced the only true Bible-based beliefs.

            BUT LACK OF KNOWLEDGE MADE THEM PERISH.
            consider this problem
            MILLIONS of people study the bible and perish from lack of knowledge.
            why?

            The one true source of life IS Yeshua = the life.

            He was trying to get them to see that there is no life in knowing the Bible and embracing Bible-based beliefs!
            THE WAY INTO THE TRUTH IS BY KNOWING HIM intimately as a person, and HIM telling you how to live and remain alive here as HE DID successfully- and that secret is not found in the book.

            it is HIS KNOWLEDGE, THAT ONLY HE CAN GIVE, TO HIS CHURCH, and this knowing is not found in a book because if it was ''MY PEOPLE'' would not perish from lack of knowledge!!!!
            Lucy: You steal parts of Bible verses; add your own words of lies, and ignore the very meaning and context of the verse itself.

            “You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life.
            These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life”
            You either have no idea what this following part These are the very Scriptures that testify about me of this verse even means or your willfully rejecting it's true meaning.

            “You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life.
            These are the very Scriptures that testify about me
            , yet you refuse to come to me to have life”[/color]
            Christ is telling them to study the scriptures because they will testify and lead them to Him Who is eternal life; yet they refused to listen and obey Him.

            You also do the same with Hosea 4:6; you steal and quote part of the verse my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge then you corrupt the rest of the verse with yours or someone else's words.

            My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shalt be no priest to me: seeing you have forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget your children.
            This part of the verse seeing you have forgotten the law of thy God is what destroys a person; and knowing his laws are knowledge, he is not a lawless God, and you mimic Richard Dawkings and a host of other atheistic unbelievers words of calling the Bible an idol, and we don't study the Bible because it's an idol, we study it to know his will for us, and it's certainly not disobedience as you promote.

            It's fools that reject scriptural knowledge and his commands Psalms 119:66, Proverbs 1:7.

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            • #7
              people perish from lack of true education [knowledge]

              People are dying because they believe the wrong information,
              A flawed text book is used, and this book is idolised
              IF the right information was given out, people would received true knowledge and not perish.

              Jesus warned of this fact!
              You study the Scriptures in detail because you think you have the source of eternal life in them.
              every bible student dies.
              none live from the information obtained,
              they die from their sin!
              the STUDY doesn't benefit anyone because all still perish from study or no study
              =people still perish even if the '''scriptures testify of Messiah'' = it did them all NO GOOD as far as the knowledge is concerned = ON HOW NOT TO PERISH.
              therefore the bible becomes a FALSE IDOL.
              THIS KNOWLEDGE ON HOW NOT TO PERISH, comes from the AUTHOR OF LIFE only and not from a book that has been corrupted and with flaws

              notice Jesus seldom quoted the ''scriptures'' during His ministry, = only on very few occasions to counter the beliefs of the Pharisees with His own.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                People are dying because they believe the wrong information,
                A flawed text book is used, and this book is idolised
                IF the right information was given out, people would received true knowledge and not perish.

                Jesus warned of this fact!

                every bible student dies.
                none live from the information obtained,
                they die from their sin!
                the STUDY doesn't benefit anyone because all still perish from study or no study
                =people still perish even if the '''scriptures testify of Messiah'' = it did them all NO GOOD as far as the knowledge is concerned = ON HOW NOT TO PERISH.
                therefore the bible becomes a FALSE IDOL.
                THIS KNOWLEDGE ON HOW NOT TO PERISH, comes from the AUTHOR OF LIFE only and not from a book that has been corrupted and with flaws

                notice Jesus seldom quoted the ''scriptures'' during His ministry, = only on very few occasions to counter the beliefs of the Pharisees with His own.
                Yea right Lucy,

                THIS KNOWLEDGE ON HOW NOT TO PERISH, comes from the AUTHOR OF LIFE only and not from a book that has been corrupted and with flaws

                notice Jesus seldom quoted the ''scriptures'' during His ministry, = only on very few occasions to counter the beliefs of the Pharisees with His own.
                You have not even studied or searched the scriptures itself to even prove such a statement as you made, and Messiah Himself does not agree with you either.

                In Messiah teachings He referred to the divine authority of the Old Testament Matthew. 5:17-18; Matthew 8:17; Matthew 12:40-42; Luke. 4:18-21; Luke 10:25-28; Luke 15:29-31; Luke 17:32; Luke 24:25-45; John 5:39-47. He quoted the Old Testament scriptures more than 78 times, and the Pentateuch alone 26 times.

                Messiah Yahshua quoted from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Amos, Jonah, Micah, and Malachi. Messiah referred to the Old Testament as The Scriptures, the word of God, and the wisdom of God.

                I can't help but smile at such ignorance and stupidity as your or someone else's statements that you copied and pasted.

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                • #9
                  the LACK OF KNOWLEDGE KILLS - FACT

                  the truth is - the letter killeth!
                  3 words of fact.

                  the bible student dies FROM SIN because of a DEAD LETTER.
                  [WHAT A WONDERFUL REVELATION.
                  a dead letter -the law
                  hurrah-A letter that is unable to be delivered to the recipient or returned to the sender ]

                  THE DEAD'' LETTER'' [law] MAKES FOR DEAD PEOPLE as it is only WRITTEN IN INK or WRITTEN IN STONE - a dead letter
                  The "letter," of course, is the law. What law? The Law of Moses

                  a revelation !!!!
                  the reason why the letter killeth is because it is a ritual of works, then the self is happy, as it is doing the works of god
                  = therefore man is lord over his godly works - legalism and self righteousness
                  ..... but....
                  what is needed is OUR TOTAL daily SURRENDER to the WILL OF ABBA,
                  how?
                  not looking at our situations here, but having ''opened eyes of our spiritual man'' TO SEE INTO THE INVISIBLE FOR OUR REDEMPTION in the FATHER HOUSE - so- BY DOING THIS ''WORK'' [OF TOTAL SURRENDERING,] WE ARE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH,
                  and then cannot die as a SINNER,

                  A MIGHTY REVELATION FOR THOSE WITH EARS TO HEAR.
                  the total surrender cannot be done UNLESS Jesus decrees it over our life - otherwise it is ''all of self'' and none of HIM.
                  [ He is our builder and no other]

                  now I understand why sin kills - most people love their religious ''works'' aka- their own self righteousness to the ''law'' and so FAIL TO BE JUSTIFIED by the true walk of faith = the same walk Jesus did.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                    the truth is - the letter killeth!
                    3 words of fact.

                    the bible student dies FROM SIN because of a DEAD LETTER.
                    [WHAT A WONDERFUL REVELATION.
                    a dead letter -the law
                    hurrah-A letter that is unable to be delivered to the recipient or returned to the sender ]

                    THE DEAD'' LETTER'' [law] MAKES FOR DEAD PEOPLE as it is only WRITTEN IN INK or WRITTEN IN STONE - a dead letter
                    The "letter," of course, is the law. What law? The Law of Moses

                    a revelation !!!!
                    the reason why the letter killeth is because it is a ritual of works, then the self is happy, as it is doing the works of god
                    = therefore man is lord over his godly works - legalism and self righteousness
                    ..... but....
                    what is needed is OUR TOTAL daily SURRENDER to the WILL OF ABBA,
                    how?
                    not looking at our situations here, but having ''opened eyes of our spiritual man'' TO SEE INTO THE INVISIBLE FOR OUR REDEMPTION in the FATHER HOUSE - so- BY DOING THIS ''WORK'' [OF TOTAL SURRENDERING,] WE ARE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH,
                    and then cannot die as a SINNER,[/B]

                    A MIGHTY REVELATION FOR THOSE WITH EARS TO HEAR.
                    - the letter killeth!
                    Really, please show us where in the new testament did Yahshua Messiah say this? Or was it your favorite apostle Paul, that you steal his words?

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                    • #11
                      Come on Lucy tell us.

                      - the letter killeth!
                      Fact ehh?

                      Really, please show us where in the new testament did Yahshua Messiah say this? Or was it your favorite apostle Paul, that you steal his words?

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                      • #12
                        entering into OUR FATHER HOUSE

                        IS TO WALK not in the letter but in THE TRUTH OF SPIRITUAL LIFE - HAVING OUR EYES OPENED INTO THE INVISIBLE WHERE ALL THINGS ARE PERFECT.
                        ALLOW ME TO TELL YOU = IT IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL OF ALL LIFE OUR TOTAL SURRENDER TODAY into the will of ABBA and to allow HIM to complete our living salvation here on earth

                        it is a living experience.
                        i realise very few will understand how i live IN HIM................... but it is worth dying on the cross for amen

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                        • #13
                          Playing Messiah like again.

                          - the letter killeth!
                          Fact ehh? I did not think so.

                          Really, please show us where in the new testament did Yahshua Messiah say this? Or was it your favorite apostle Paul, that you steal his words?

                          Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 2 Cor.3:6.

                          http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...+killeth&t=KJV

                          Lucy, for someone like you to hate and condemn the apostle Paul con-tinually, you sure do quote his very words all the time, and why do you quote all of his words all the time as FACT, as you say, if he's a false apostle as your always snitching about all the time?

                          Or is it simply playing Christ like again for now, and next you will be slandering, and false accusing as your father does John 8:44; Rev.13:11?

                          http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...a+dragon&t=KJV

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                          • #14
                            Flawed information

                            flawed information



                            for instance

                            How many prophecies are there in the Old Testament that were fulfilled by Jesus?
                            Scholars differ in their answers, generally ranging from about 200 to 400.
                            the prophecy on Jesus advent and life in the OT

                            for the record as listed
                            7 prophecies on Yeshua found in the OT
                            17 prophecies on Yeshua found in the OT
                            40 prophecies on Yeshua found in the OT
                            44 prophecies on Yeshua found in the OT
                            55 prophecies on Yeshua found in the OT
                            191 prophecies on Yeshua found in the OT
                            353 prophecies in Yeshua found in the OT
                            365 prophecies on Yeshua found in the OT
                            400 prophecies on Yeshua found in the OT
                            558 prophecies on Yeshua found in the OT
                            1239 prophecies on Yeshua found in the OT

                            just some of the confusion found in the OT stats.
                            it is common knowledge for the use of the term Vaticinium ex eventu

                            THE meaning?
                            Vāticinium ex ēventū
                            is a technical theological or historiographical term referring to a prophecy written after the author already had information about the events .
                            this was an ''acceptable form of writing'' in the ancient past

                            Yeshua is not found in a dead book AKA - a dead letter.
                            he is not found among '''the dead anything''' let alone a book

                            HE IS LIVING AND IS FOUND '''IN''' THE LIVING BY THOSE WHO ARE LIVING THEIR LIFE'''' INSIDE'''' HIS LIFE HERE AND NOW.
                            HIS SHEEP HEAR HIS VOICE

                            what you have to personally figure out is WHY DO ALL PEOPLE DIE - STILL IN THEIR SINS.,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the KILLER called SIN,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, STILL WINS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, WHY?


                            DONT HEED THOSE IDOL MONGERS.....................
                            try not to heed the spiritual immature religious crazies, [ they are deadly]
                            start to seek the truth and find out for yourself - why you shall die in YOUR sin ????

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                            • #15
                              the false apostle saul

                              poor Elijah gets so argo when i quote the faker.
                              Jesus warns us over false apostle saul being #1 on the hit list [rev 2 v 2]

                              Lucy, for someone like you to hate and condemn the apostle Paul con-tinually, you sure do quote his very words all the time, and why do you quote all of his words all the time as FACT, as you say, if he's a false apostle as your always snitching about all the time?
                              when one is educate in the divine ways and thinking, they soon learn THE DEVILS FALSE APOSTLES ETC CONTAIN MANY TRUTHS and it is very close to the real but the fact is
                              IT IS A ''''LITTLE''' LEAVEN that spoils the lump.


                              BUT these truths are lost on the dull of hearing and the robotic verse quoters.

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