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  • "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death, ......................''

    "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death, and was not found because God has translated him." (Heb.11:5).

    there is only 1 way to overcome death
    AS ENOCH WALKED with Our Father, so does the saints.....
    if you notice, Enoch did not have the law of Moses to obey, nor the NT to obey = NOTHING RELIGIOUS OR CHURCHY.... NOPE...
    THERE WAS JUST FATHER AND ENOCH WALKING TOGETHER side by side

    and so the result is

    by being in this ultimate relationship ENOCH WAS TRANSLATED., BY HIS FAITH in the promises he knew Father would give.

    we don't need religious whackos, to tell us their views..............JUST FOLLOW ENOCH AND WALK WITH OUR FATHER DAILY by faith and you will be translated as he was.
    [very easy and very simple to understand, TO HEAR AND THEN TO DO, regarding your daily situations..... get divine advise only]

  • #2
    dont believe those'' pompous religious prats''~~~~

    it is easy to follow and understand
    Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" (Heb.11:1)
    the faith of Enoch
    Hebrew chapter 11.
    "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death, and he was not for God has translated him. And before his translation he has this testimony that he pleased God.
    And without faith it is impossible to please him"
    Enoch was translated that he should not see death.
    this is the highest level of faith (or rather highest reward for faith) that walks His saints into their translation.

    Father revealed it to Enoch that it is possible for man to get that immortality back from Him.
    john 11 v 24 25 26
    ENOCH BELIEVED and walked in this divine impartation.

    the holy invitation is issued - the believer believes this DIVINE invitation IS now FACT and acts accordingly

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    • #3
      Father gives His people the invitation [jhn 11 v 24-26]

      and then asks to BELIEVE HIM alone = to be under HIS CARE in all situations we will face

      There was a difference between Enoch and the rest of the people in his time.
      Enoch understood the message
      - I too am very blessed to understand and then believe this divine invitation.
      [ there is A CHRIST POWER impartation when a person accepts the invitation and then confirms it by their acceptance of the word ''BELIEVE'''- HEREIN LIES THE POWER]
      Understanding the message is very important.

      The Lord himself said about the seed that fell on good ground: they understand. (Mat.13:23)
      "He that receiveth seed on the good ground is he that heareth the word and understandeth it, and bringeth forth some an hundred fold some sixty and some thirty."
      Even though they all understood they still will not bring forth the same measure of fruits.
      Remember that.

      the 100 fold anointing, is seeing into the invisible!
      Believing:
      Enoch is that he believes it.
      Firstly, he understood the message by revelation:
      Secondly he believed it!
      What about the others?
      Didn't they believe it?

      There are two things to consider when it comes to believing:
      1) Is it true and can I attain to it?
      2) Is the giver true and will he give it if I attain to it?

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      • #4
        FOLLOW THE CROWD OR our FATHER...............

        Enoch believed the message but what about the rest of the people?
        Did they believe it?
        Did they believe it is possible to walk with God and overcome death?

        Some of them would say:
        "Ah, Adam died! God created Adam; he was the fresh handmade from God Himself. He was the direct creation, closest to perfection.
        If Adam could die, are you greater than Adam?"
        That will knock off a lot of people from even trying to believe that they could please God to the point of being granted immortality.
        They had already made up their mind that it is impossible.

        The same thing the Jews told Jesus. When the Lord Jesus told the Jews:
        "Verily, verily I say unto you, if a man keep my saying, he shall never see death",
        the Jews replied: "Now we know that you have a devil, Abraham is dead and all the prophets; and you say if a man keep my saying he shall never taste of death; Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: Whom makest thou thyself?" (Jn.8:51-52).
        WHAT ARE THE ''SAYINGS OF JESUS''

        they are the Christ power words we hear, that advises and directs our personal lives, on
        how to defeat the devil in all our daily living, tests and situations,
        how to overcome this world of vanity, by not partaking of its qualities and beliefs,
        how to overcome our old man flesh.... by denying this authority over us

        its is not called ''religion'' but RELATIONSHIP
        what does that mean?
        -it is A LOVING FAMILY relationship of ABIDING IN His DIVINE HOLY LOVE AND THEN BEING CARED FOR BY THE POWER OF HIS MIGHT on a daily basis
        and has absolutely nothing to do with church, ritual, and religion.

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        • #5
          People have argued that "Peter died, Paul died and all the apostles died?,''

          People have argued that "Peter died, Apostle Paul died and all the apostles, do you think this thing is possible?"

          It is the same question.
          Do you believe it is possible?
          Enoch must have believed that it is possible.
          That is the key issue about faith.
          First, do you believe God can heal you?
          Do you believe your prayer can get hold of God to do it for you?
          That is, do you believe you can move close enough to God to get supernatural things done for you by God?

          If you say "yes, if I try, with His help I might be able to get close enough to the goal to get what I desire (as in immortality)".

          The next question is "do you believe God will give it?"
          A lot of people has problem with that.
          They do not know the will of God or they have been wrongly taught so that they can not believe God will do such thing for mankind.
          Therefore they never try.

          A lot of churches don't believe God will heal the sick, so they don't even try to pray and if they pray they do not pray right.
          nothing is ''right'' in chrisitian churches - the unbelievers rule

          Enoch believed it!
          He believed that it is possible.
          He believed that he could get to the goal of overcomers if he tried.
          He also believed that God will do it.

          These are the issues to consider about "believing".

          Some people had the problem with the third point.
          They might have said "Yea, it is possible to attain to that goal; but no, it's God that is killing mankind."
          That is how they have been taught.
          They have learned that it was God who cursed mankind because of the sin of Adam.
          Many nowadays still think it is God that put diseases upon people.
          Such mindset will have problem believing that God will give out immortality to any man who tried to walk with God.

          But Enoch was able to believe that God will give it, because he had "revelative understanding" of the message.
          hat is what I am pointing out to you. Pray for revelative understanding of the word of God!

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          • #6
            After you have the understanding - you believe it, the next thing is to walk the walk

            After you have the understanding and you believe it, the next thing is to walk the walk.
            This principle applies to anything in life
            . If you really believe it, strong enough, you will pursue it and try to get it.
            You will not give up but will try and try again asking for help from whatever source you can get help.

            Enoch walked with God and he was not for God took him.
            Enoch practised the walk with God.
            After you have believed, you must do it!
            You must pursue it.
            God usually gives a general word.

            To those who believe and decide to follow the word, He will reveal more to them.
            He must have showed to Enoch, and to Elijah, the narrow road they are to walk, that "if you get to the end of this road or go thus far, I will take you away without seeing death".

            It is now the doing of it you have to do.
            "Many are called but few are chosen!"



            Abraham had the similar covenant with God but not the same content.
            The revelation is different for each type of person.
            You must remember that

            [ in a family not all the children have the same goals and desires nor achieve the same ambitions- each one is an unique individual]
            if you believe otherwise, ofcourse it is your choice of religious freedom

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            • #7
              the core of the good news is...

              Everlasting life is a present-tense possession.
              It’s not something that begins when we get to heaven.
              There are a number of scriptures that speak of everlasting life as something we possess in this life
              (John 4:14; 5:24; 6:27; 6:40, 47).


              So, the question remains
              , “What is everlasting life?”
              This is very important. John 3:16 says this is the reason that Jesus came.
              “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
              Many people have mistakenly thought that the goal of salvation is the forgiveness of sin to avoid hell.
              That’s not what John 3:16 is saying~~~~
              But salvation is much, much more than getting our sins forgiven!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                After you have the understanding and you believe it, the next thing is to walk the walk.
                This principle applies to anything in life
                . If you really believe it, strong enough, you will pursue it and try to get it.
                You will not give up but will try and try again asking for help from whatever source you can get help.

                Enoch walked with God and he was not for God took him.
                Enoch practised the walk with God.
                After you have believed, you must do it!
                You must pursue it.
                God usually gives a general word.

                To those who believe and decide to follow the word, He will reveal more to them.
                He must have showed to Enoch, and to Elijah, the narrow road they are to walk, that "if you get to the end of this road or go thus far, I will take you away without seeing death".

                It is now the doing of it you have to do.
                "Many are called but few are chosen!"



                Abraham had the similar covenant with God but not the same content.
                The revelation is different for each type of person.
                You must remember that

                [ in a family not all the children have the same goals and desires nor achieve the same ambitions- each one is an unique individual]
                if you believe otherwise, ofcourse it is your choice of religious freedom
                the faith of Enoch
                Hebrew chapter 11.
                Lucy: You should have read verse 13.

                Hebrews 11:13: These all died in faith, not having received the promises,

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                • #9
                  Really

                  Originally posted by guyguy View Post
                  Lucy: You should have read verse 13.
                  conflicting information~~~~ whom shall we believe...……
                  * all died
                  or
                  * Enoch was translated so he would see death because he please god?


                  the dualism is amazing...…..

                  fruits
                  Enoch walked with Father and was told HE PLEASED HIM so he would not see death
                  john 11 v24 25 26 similar thought and invitation

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                  • #10
                    as Father gave the invitation to Enoch so Yeshua gives the invitation to His church

                    how?
                    John 11 v 24 25 26
                    The unity of Jesus Christ and the believer

                    For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings for both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren…Heb 2:10-11

                    Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus…Heb 3:1

                    For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end…Heb 3:14

                    Death conquered by Jesus

                    But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. Heb 2:9

                    Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. Heb 2:14-15

                    The central place and power of faith

                    Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Heb 3:12

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                      conflicting information~~~~ whom shall we believe...……
                      * all died
                      or
                      * Enoch was translated so he would see death because he please god?


                      the dualism is amazing...…..

                      fruits
                      Enoch walked with Father and was told HE PLEASED HIM so he would not see death
                      john 11 v24 25 26 similar thought and invitation
                      You are the first person that quoted from Hebrews and there is no conflicting information.

                      It depends on which death that Enoch will not see; Hebrews 10:13 includes Enoch as these all died in faith not having received the promises, so the only other death recorded in the scriptures that Enoch will not see is the second death Revelation 20:14.

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                      • #12
                        i have noticed you have changed your style of posting Elijah /guyguy

                        Originally posted by guyguy View Post
                        You are the first person that quoted from Hebrews and there is no conflicting information.

                        It depends on which death that Enoch will not see; Hebrews 10:13 includes Enoch as these all died in faith not having received the promises, so the only other death recorded in the scriptures that Enoch will not see is the second death Revelation 20:14.

                        it did not say your view ~~~~~~

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                        • #13
                          unbeliever

                          Originally posted by guyguy View Post
                          You are the first person that quoted from Hebrews and there is no conflicting information.

                          It depends on which death that Enoch will not see; Hebrews 10:13 includes Enoch as these all died in faith not having received the promises, so the only other death recorded in the scriptures that Enoch will not see is the second death Revelation 20:14.
                          if you dont know the true gospel of salvation and its outcome, how would you know what the verses really says Elijah.
                          [leave off the sox puppet guyguy- stuff it is juvenile]

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                            if you dont know the true gospel of salvation and its outcome, how would you know what the verses really says Elijah.
                            [leave off the sox puppet guyguy- stuff it is juvenile]
                            Lucy,

                            The only one being a juvenile is you with your false accusations, and you calling Guyguy me.

                            And Lucy, it's you who do not know what those verses mean, because if you did, you would not be telling/teaching false lies of your own ideas.

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                            • #15
                              that is your opiniion Guyguy

                              and I love my ''religious freedoms'' out from the box of corrupted christian thinking,
                              oh BTW

                              why doesn't guyguy [guylaine] write to say they are NOT YOU!!!!
                              SOXPUPPET

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