the 'SABBATH' IS IT - saturday/sunday/luna or SOMETHING ELSE very few UNDERSTAND!!!!

[LucySmith]

in the prison house of ''church traditions'' and the doctrines peddled by the un-anointed hirelings, or, the super rich religious leaderships we find very different views PEDDLED.
INSIDE THE JAIL OF CHURCHIANITY many creeds HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON ''THE SABBATH''.

looking for the true FACTS on the church ''Sabbath controvesy'' we find it was only ever given to the jews, under the law of Moses that came to an end and collapsed in 70ad
that is the simple truth
end of story.

however!

JESUS HIMSELF did advise upon A REST that is totally necessary for His peoples called HIS INCORRUPTABLE SEED.
Math 11 v 28-29-30 - is now the TRUE REST for the TRUE EKKLESIA and never called '' the Sabbath by the church''
I keep this REST IN HIM.... AS ASKED,

Matthew 11:28-30
28 “Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

HEREIN is the TRUE REST - for those Believers IN HIM.

AS YOU CAN SEE it is not a day
BUT IN THE PERSON CALLED THE TRUTH = I rest IN THE TRUTH PERSON and am so blessed forevermore. amen

I FOLLOW HIS WAY,
not the way of the deceived pews who sit in darkness, in unhallowed places and received dead bread from the inspirations of those ungodly ''''çhristian'''''' deceivers!

the HOLY SPIRIT TEACHER, will never teach you to ''keep a day and do nothing'' but the Spirit of Truth and Life will show you HOW TO FIND TRUE REST, IN THE CARE AND PROTECTION AND LOVE of my gentle Saviour.

next
how to REST IN HIM?
That is the next stage of developing into mature Christlike new creations!

any other doctrine is a false lie and the ignorant churchian dies from believing religious lies and failing to be TAUGHT BY THE TRUE TEACHER.
there is only one appointed and anointed teacher = THE CHRIST EMPOWERED SPIRIT.
NO OTHERS.

YES there are excellent BIBLE '' expounders'' and ''tellers FROM TRUE EXPERIENCE ''
BUT ONLY EVER 1 TRUE TEACHER.

[LucySmith]

ofcourse the ''indoctrinated'' church crowd comes in ..... roaring.....

''Jesus kept the sabbath so should we''

well this is not strictly true,
HE BROKE THE SABBATH ON A NUMBER OF OCCASSIONS
AND NEVER ONCE EVEN SUGGESTED TO KEEP ''the sabbath'' given to the Jews only.

JOHN 5 V 18

For this reason they tried all the more to kill Him; not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

IS this the truth nor not?
for the NEXT part of this dialogue says this

So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it.
For whatever the Father does, the Son also does.

what does this really MEAN?
The problem was that in keeping to the letter of the law they omitted to do more important things like caring for other people and promoting justice and mercy.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!
You give a tenth of your spices – mint, dill and cumin.
But you have neglected the more important matters of the law – justice, mercy and faithfulness.
You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.”(Matthew 23:23)

In denouncing the religious rulers He deliberately set Himself against them so He could teach, and demonstrate a better way.

A BETTER WAY! - I LIVE IN THIS BETTER WAY of true justice, true mercy and true faithfulness only under the Christ empowerment.
I don't live as a PHARISEE - as a religious herpe virus~~~~leaven

ASK
WHY WASNT the Sabbath command repeated in the Gospels?
it is not a trick question.

Result of Acts 15
The conference had already concluded that Gentile converts did not need to keep the
law of Moses and, judging by rabbinic writings, uncircumcised Gentiles were not
expected to keep the Sabbath.

now the dull of hearing,
and
those indoctrinated church jailbirds
will say Jesus wanted us to keep the Sabbath and so did the disciples
yes
- Jesus did minister to the jews, locked into the captivity of ''the law of Moses given to him by plural angels only''
those jews trapped inside religious captivity - made up of imperfect and useless standards
and this system remained till John the B came preaching and the TRANSITION BEGAN and ended 40yrs later in 70ad.


THE CHANGE OVER....LUKE 16 V 16

"The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John.
Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it.

OFCOURSE the churchians will get super agro, and deny this verse means what it does.!!! but when we stay simple under the mighty teacher Holy Spirit - it all comes together perfectly

[LucySmith]

What religious people never realise is

THE FORMING OF A NEW CREATURE and the NEW BIRTH
is never going to depend upon anything from the old wine = aka =- the laws given to the jews only.

ITS THE '''zilch zone''' THE LAW WAS ERRADICATED

the NEW WINE IS FROM A DIFFERENT VINE AND THERE IS NO WAY the 2 can be mixed together - into some weird hybrid monster.
stay away from the old wine and its river of death

stay away from the peddlers of death and the fancy verse twisting religious footwork that dances with deception

[LucySmith]

Jesus said ''come rest in me''

AND I DO EVERY DAY.
amen

HE is gentle = HE DECLARES THIS HIMSELF TO ME and all who LOVE HIM.
therefore

There is no anger,
No wrath,
No ''Ill get her because she is a sinner'' mentality towards me and all who love and Believe HIM
Nope
It is straight out AGAPE LOVE for all born again true Believers IN His ekklesia!

To REST '''IN'''HIM means despite our situation [ including a faith walkers test] HE PROVIDES THE WAY TO ESCAPE just as He escaped here.
The believers ARE DRILLED in ''resting'' IN Him so they KNOW THAT THEY KNOW THEY ARE ''''IN'''''christ-power and the Kingdom of Heaven.
And there is now no call to be a ''doubting Thomas'' anymore.

OFCOURSE there is a problem, of those who are outside of HIM, to declare their traditional religious concepts of ''the Sabbath to the Jew'' as a day of obligation to be continued on by the ''true church''
BTW
That infact is a lie and a message of ''' mixing the old win with the new wine''
a total NO NO and a deadly trap for the unaware and the babes who have not gained true knowledge of the NEW COVENANT AND THE LIFE IT PROVIDES
John 10 v 10

[LucySmith]

the ''CHURCH'' HAS A VERY DIFFERENT ''MESSAGE'' than His Ekklesia.

the message the church brings contains death,
the message the Ekklesia brings creates new life IN the power of the verb ''christ''.


the EKKLESIA living IN Christ.

''why? do we ever worry,
why? do we ever doubt,
When there is not a single hurtful thing
That FAITH can not drive out.

Why? do we fear the future
When if we view the past,
We find our troubles faded
and
those sorrows did not last!

why not?
For we are given His strength each day
to meet all problems that may come our way''


its a FAITH WALK
But not as this world of vanity walks
and DEFINITELY Not how the church walks
NO
but a far greater and a far more different walk than that darkness and death, offered up as ''the truth'' from the christian church and their offshoots;

[LucySmith]

the church doesn't have ''''IT'''''' but the EKKLESIA does.

the church excels is ''seeing is believing and living IN the system of vanity'' - religious vanity of counterfeit beliefs.

there is a different way to LIVE HERE IN THE DIVINE KINGDOM REALM very few know about.
the ''greater things realm''
Yes
it is comes out from the mouth of the Saviour Himself

FAITH
Faith is more than believing, it is a knowing.
Once you grasp Faith in all its meaning you realize you can grasp the ideal out of the Infinite FATHER with your mind, your awareness will be complete, your Eternal I Am [as a son/daughter of Abba] will fully awaken and nothing shall be impossible unto you!"

faith is a GIFT, AND THEN GRASPED AND THEN USED.
FAITH WALKING IS THE WORKS OF BELIEVING HIM.

you have to grasp this

Matt 17:20
For assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain,
"Move from here to there, and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.

a ''mountain'' is a situation that comes to test our faith - why?
to see if you run to the system of Vanity for your FIX or you relax and rest within the 7000 promises of Father to His believers

Mark 11:23
"For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will come to pass, he will have whatever he says."

You cannot play the double speak game here.
You cannot RUN to the arm of flesh for your quick fix, but, walk by His faith and not by your own eye sight and unsound mind filled with APOSTLE DOUBT'S temptations.
no

THE FAITH WALK OF JESUS IS NOT for the church system as they remain within the sphere of vanity and so die from THEIR UNBELIEF= APOSTLE DOUBT WINS

[LucySmith]

the ''''REST'''' OF Math 11 v 28-30

is not a DAY as the false church proclaims
no but it is
the REALM OF GLORY
HEREIN LIES A BELIEVER'S TRUE SABBATH - THE REALM OF GLORY amen

YESHUA is calling men and women to step out of the convictions of ordinary CHURCH life of mediocrity and complacency into a realm of overflowing, explosive and electrifying glory.
THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED FROM THE CHURCH SYSTEM long long long ago.

It is the ''teller'' who experiences paramount significances
WHY?
to unveil the divine truth that there are realms of God’s personality being revealed now that were not known five minutes ago.

One such RECENT experience is the revelation of ''how to have an open eye of true seeing into His Kingdom''
The glory realm is becoming more real than living in the natural realm.
JOHN 10 V 10

[LucySmith]

a believer true SABBATH is their walk of faith

to REST WITHIN ALL HE IS...............................HERE.

It is the right of every one in Christ to have the Most Holy faith that Jesus spoke of, lived by and demonstrated throughout His life.
It was not defined by His nationality or upbringing.

NO
The belief that Jesus had toward HIS FATHER, Himself and the creation of the world, was all realized from His heart by faith.
In fact the Bible states that Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith.

Right there you can hear the progressive nature of faith.
It has a beginning and an ending.
Faith has a destination and what Christ has begun in us all, He is going to bring to a complete and perfect maturity that will be evidenced by the great release of His people to move and have their being in God, as never before, right here on earth.

THE REALM OF GLORY IS RESTING WITHIN HIS FAITH [ our faith walking - not lip serving]

[LucySmith]

RESTING in CHRIST - IN THIS POSITION '''IN'''HIM

Jesus can do His 2nd work as HE RULES OVER A BELIEVER FROM HIS THRONE OF GLORY
So now He can allow His people to move from glory into glory into glory...…………………………………………………………………..

This 2nd work is = He rules in the lives of those whom He has separated out from all the “nations” of the earth, the “denominations” of religious Christendom! amen
Once He pulls you out from the false religious systems = you don't got back in nor heed their beliefs!

The second work IS the choosing of who will reign with Him and to establish them upon that same Throne.
This work of the King of Kings is concentrated upon those whom the The King deems as ones that have overcome all things in their particular age
or
rather than remaining a VICTIM to this system of vanity, they have been well able to overcome it under the plan and directing of the Holy Teacher within them.

no victims sit with Him upon His throne only those who have overcome satan and been victorious and one way Is to move out from under the counterfeit church made by religious men [Rev 3 v 17]
The Overcomers now are in the throes of being brought to the end of their trials and tribulations, but that end is not yet.
The second work is very much a part of The Mystery of The Faith because it is almost `silent` in how it is being brought forth in the lives of those whom the King has chosen.

[Spying]

One Witness Is Not Sufficient To Decide Anything!

Hi Lucy,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

The physical Sabbath Day is very important to me, and you, Dear Lady, are only one witness, and one witness is not sufficient to decide anything according to both the Old and New Testaments.

You wrote and asserted in your first post on this thread that the Law of Moses came to an end in 70 A.D.:

"looking for the true FACTS on the church ''Sabbath controvesy'' we find it was only ever given to the jews, under the law of Moses that came to an end and collapsed in 70ad
that is the simple truth
end of story."

Who may I ask is the "we" in your above assertion? The "we" certainly does not include me. So your simple truth may not be the end of the story. Do you know of any other believer in LIFE NOW that would be willing to come to Lo Ammi and render testimony or bear a witness similar to your own testimony? If so, then have him or her to come forward and render their testimony for our consideration!

Thanking you in advance should you be made to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[LucySmith]

the churches love their sabbath keeping as a DAY

not to understand the real meaning of a true believers REST

THE ''''rest'''' is not being a lounge potato on a SATURDAY watching tv and eating cold meals and singing few hymns
NO

THE REST comes from Jesus own lips, and all THOSE WHO LIVE HERE IN HIS ETERNAL LIFE understand His rest as it is NOT A DAY BUT A NEW CREATURE REALM

As for friend SPYING he fails to understand many simple bible truths~~~~
question?
What about the believers who met on the 1st day of the week? for approx 1400 yrs and had NO NOTION OF THE JEWISH PRACTICE OF SABBATH KEEPING?
the truth is.....
'''''upon the first day of the week'''', when the disciples came together
This plainly indicates that the Christian observance of the day afterwards distinctly called "the Lord's Day," was already a fixed practice of the churches - NT BIBLE TRUTH

let the light of the true facts shine~~~~
H armstrong got hold of dear Spyings mind [ in his youthfull days] and twisted it into a sabbath observer [as Spying tells us of his CON-version on L,A, ]
however
what is very interesting is Herbert Armstrong copied this OT ritual from the Adventists and the JWs and both these creeds had their roots in the freemasons ~~~~

https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Seventh-Day%20Adventist/sda_occult.htm

Official Seventh-Day Adventist Logo, shaped as a Masonic pyramid
Seventh-day Adventism [SDA] is a false religion, plagued with deception and lies.
It is one of the more subtle religions, being easily mistaken for a genuine New Testament Church; however, it is not.
SDA founder, Ellen G. White, was involved with the occult and has a large Freemasonry Obelisk situated above her grave.

WHY DID ELLEN WHITE FREQUENTLY USE FREEMASONIC AND OCCULT TERMS?

Freemasons and occultists do at times use Bible terms, texts and expressions. But the Bible does not
use Masonic and occult terminology neither would a prophet of God. Why is it then that Ellen
White, the prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church whose writings are supposedly inspired by
God uses terms that you cannot find in the Bible but are used freely in both Freemasonry and the
occult?

https://archive.org/stream/EllenG.WhiteUsesMasonicWords/EllenG.WhiteUsesMasonicWords_djvu.txt

One of the biggest occult groups is Freemasonry, who’s false god is Baphomet people know that Charles Taze Russell (founder of the Jehovah’s Witnesses), and Joseph Smith (founder of Mormonism) were BOTH 33rd degree Freemasons.

Ron Hubbard (founder of Scientology) was also a 33rd degree Freemason, and good friends with the most renowned Satanist of the 20th century, Aleister Crowley.
The female founder's of Christian Science and Seventh-Day Adventism were also deeply steeped into the occult.

Judaism is largely based upon occult Kaballah, as is Freemasonry.
The Mormon religion is also deeply rooted in Kaballah, which embraces Jewish mysticism going back to ancient Babylon when the Jews were in captivity for 70 years, and also from when the Jews were captive in Egypt as slaves.
The “synagogue of Satan” (Revelation 2:9) has its roots in Pagan Babylonian and Egyptian religions, which has survived today in various occult organizations.
This is why occult members are infatuated with Egyptian history, the pyramids and the ancient mysteries of Babylon.
Interestingly, Jeremiah 7:18; 44:17-19,25 in the Bible mentions the QUEEN OF HEAVEN, which is another name for the VIRGIN MARY which Catholics worship.

Catholics fail to realize that they are worshipping the same Pagan Queen of Heaven which the Babylonians worshipped in the 6th and 7th century B.C. Woe unto Catholics!
I love Catholic people, but they are unknowingly worshipping Satan.
Jesus said they worship God in vain because they follow their OWN TRADITIONS instead of obeying the commandments of God (Mark 7:7-13). I speak the truth in love.

http://www.lovethetruth.com/false_religion/occult/all_big_religions.htm

PS
perhaps Spying
you need to recant from your freemason creed~~~~ and actually COME OUT from that terrible belief and allow the holy spirit to teach you correctly and NOT the freemasons and Herbert Armstrong

[Eliyah]

not to understand the real meaning of a true believers REST

THE ''''rest'''' is not being a lounge potato on a SATURDAY watching tv and eating cold meals and singing few hymns
NO

THE REST comes from Jesus own lips, and all THOSE WHO LIVE HERE IN HIS ETERNAL LIFE understand His rest as it is NOT A DAY BUT A NEW CREATURE REALM

As for friend SPYING he fails to understand many simple bible truths~~~~
what about the believers who met on the 1st day of the week? for approx 1400 yrs and had NO NOTION OF THE JEWISH PRACTICE OF SABBATH KEEPING?
the truth is.....
'''''upon the first day of the week'''', when the disciples came together
This plainly indicates that the Christian observance of the day afterwards distinctly called "the Lord's Day," was already a fixed practice of the churches.

http://www.lovethetruth.com/false_religion/occult/all_big_religions.htm

H armstrong got hold of his mind [ in his youthfull days] and twisted it into a sabbath observer [as Spying tells us of his CON-version on L,A, ]
however
what is very interesting is Herbert Armstrong copied this OT ritual from the Adventists and the JWs and both these creeds had their roots in the freemasons ~~~~

https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Seventh-Day%20Adventist/sda_occult.htm

WHY DID ELLEN WHITE FREQUENTLY USE FREEMASONIC AND OCCULT TERMS?

Freemasons and occultists do at times use Bible terms, texts and expressions. But the Bible does not
use Masonic and occult terminology neither would a prophet of God. Why is it then that Ellen
White, the prophet of the Seventh Day Adventist church whose writings are supposedly inspired by
God uses terms that you cannot find in the Bible but are used freely in both Freemasonry and the
occult?
https://archive.org/stream/EllenG.Wh...Words_djvu.txt

Lucy,

JWs don't use saturnsday as their day of rest and worship, they use sunsday on the Gregorian calendar.

'''''upon the first day of the week'''', when the disciples came together
This plainly indicates that the Christian observance of the day afterwards distinctly called "the Lord's Day," was already a fixed practice of the churches.

What did they come together for Lucy?

And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Acts 20:7.

What does break bread mean according to the scriptures itself?

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Acts 2:46.

It means eating their meals, and where do they call the first day of the week the Lord's day??

[LucySmith]

THE SABBATH keeping LIE

The Jewish believers of the first century church were never commanded to teach the gentiles to obey this day.
Acts 15:28-29:

"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than: these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well."

This is why in James 2 it says:
“For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.”

One cannot find any command to the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath in the pages of Scripture (both Old or New Testament) unless they converted and became part of the nation Israel.
our true new covenant rest is not in day but '''''IN''' Christ [ the empowerment verb Jesus used.]

New Testament believers met on the first day of the week because they celebrated the resurrection (Lk. 24; Jn. 20),
Instead of the Sabbath which was of the old covenant.
the Church did not hold the first day to be a holy day.
There is no law or command to the Church to keep Sunday only.
Sunday is not a day that replaced the Sabbath or the only day we are required to assemble and worship.

the true rest is for each day~~~~~ this is what most Christian ''' babes'''''' never understand JESUS MUST BECOME OUR REST =math 11 v 28-30

[Eliyah]

Really mistaken Lucy?

The Jewish believers of the first century church were never commanded to teach the gentiles to obey this day.
Acts 15:28-29:

"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than: these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well." This is why in James 2 it says:
“For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.”

One cannot find any command to the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath in the pages of Scripture (both Old or New Testament) unless they converted and became part of the nation Israel.
our true new covenant rest is not in day but '''''IN''' Christ [ the empowerment verb Jesus used.]

One cannot find any command to the Gentiles to keep the Sabbath in the pages of Scripture (both Old or New Testament)

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Acts 13:42.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

(These were Gentiles or the uncircumcision.)

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Colossians 2:13, 16.

These Gentiles were indeed observing not only the Sabbath day, but the New Moon day, and the Feast Holydays.

[LucySmith]

THE NEXT question to ask is

WARNING
If the Sabbath is put aside then why are so many eager to revive it.
Well they have listened to leaders who are unable to understand Scripture lead them from grace back into the bondage of the law.
JWS + SDA + Armstrongism etc = taking them back INTO IMPERFECTION

Heb.8:7-8

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Vs.8 “Because finding fault with them,
He says: "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, he’s saying the first covenant is not perfect.
V.13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.
Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."