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  • #46
    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
    when you have personally ruined some young children lives, by your choices
    by acting in part with others to destroy your assembly,
    by sending young children to unsuited homes for correction
    and
    failed to manifest all manner of godliness, by making very sad and heart wrenching decissions!
    Unable to save your wife, by directing her into the glorious goodnews as she declared '' my husband is my pastor''

    FACT
    you walked this way, because Jesus was NOT WALKING WITH YOU daily so you made ugly wrong sinfilled choices by eating from the tree of good and evil knowledge!
    you are a talker Ken and not a walker.

    JESUS WAS NOT and Is not WALKING AND GUIDING YOU INTO HIS KINGDOM!
    you have made Moses become your Saviour~
    Lucy,

    Unable to dave your wife, into the glorious goodnews.
    DAVE YOUR WIFE??

    What does DAVE YOUR WIFE mean?

    Looks like your back to your old accusing ways too.

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    • #47
      ofcourse it happens every minute of each day =

      the churched rotten fruit bearers teaching others they are wrong and how to live,
      they have a testimony of self confessed rotten fruits yet, slime others with abuses.

      Elijah a self confessed ''doer of the word'' has a mouth that needs to be syringed
      out with holy water

      a man who cannot control his mouth is not walking in the presence of their Saviour = FACT
      why are we to obey the messed up sinners?
      from the pope down to the pews they are all the same = TRAGIC messed up indoctrinated religious slaves who die from their sins
      in one word

      H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.T.E.S.

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      • #48
        Lucy, why not address the facts?

        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
        when you have personally ruined some young children lives, by your choices
        by acting in part with others to destroy your assembly,
        by sending young children to unsuited homes for correction
        and
        failed to manifest all manner of godliness, by making very sad and heart wrenching decissions!
        Unable to save your wife, by directing her into the glorious goodnews as she declared '' my husband is my pastor''

        FACT
        you walked this way, because Jesus was NOT WALKING WITH YOU daily so you made ugly wrong sinfilled choices by eating from the tree of good and evil knowledge!
        you are a talker Ken and not a walker.

        JESUS WAS NOT and Is not WALKING AND GUIDING YOU INTO HIS KINGDOM!
        you have made Moses to become your Saviour~
        Lucy, why not address the facts instead of playing the Satan card? Satan was an accuser, and used accusation, especially false accusation to blur or twist the facts. The fact remains, the writer of Hebrews stated:

        Heb 13:11 - 13:12

        11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
        12 Wherefore Yeshua also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered without the gate.

        Now Lucy, you can keep denying that Moses WROTE about the suffering of Messiah, but the writer of Hebrews doesn't. He saw that where Moses had written about the animals/beasts who were BURNED WITHOUT THE CAMP, that this BURNING pointed to or signified how Yeshua ALSO SUFFERED WITHOUT THE GATE. So the BURNING of those animals bodies truly did signify or represent the SUFFERING of Messiah, and you can keep accusing me all you want, but that will not change the FACTS my Dear. Ken
        Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

        Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
        Abstain from meats offered to idols
        (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
        So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
          the churched rotten fruit bearers teaching others they are wrong and how to live,
          they have a testimony of self confessed rotten fruits yet, slime others with abuses.

          Elijah a self confessed ''doer of the word'' has a mouth that needs to be syringed
          out with holy water

          a man who cannot control his mouth is not walking in the presence of their Saviour = FACT
          why are we to obey the messed up sinners?
          from the pope down to the pews they are all the same = TRAGIC messed up indoctrinated religious slaves who die from their sins
          in one word

          H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.T.E.S.
          Lucy,

          You smell so rotten I can still smell you all the way over here in the USA, and your the one posting foul mouthed people from youtube.com. and then accuse us.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
            Lucy, why not address the facts instead of playing the Satan card? Satan was an accuser, and used accusation, especially false accusation to blur or twist the facts. The fact remains, the writer of Hebrews stated:

            Heb 13:11 - 13:12

            11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
            12 Wherefore Yeshua also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered without the gate.

            Now Lucy, you can keep denying that Moses WROTE about the suffering of Messiah, but the writer of Hebrews doesn't. He saw that where Moses had written about the animals/beasts who were BURNED WITHOUT THE CAMP, that this BURNING pointed to or signified how Yeshua ALSO SUFFERED WITHOUT THE GATE. So the BURNING of those animals bodies truly did signify or represent the SUFFERING of Messiah, and you can keep accusing me all you want, but that will not change the FACTS my Dear. Ken
            Ken, that is true, and Who does the sanctifying here?

            Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill (the law). Matthew 5:17.

            For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of a red heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Messiah, Who through the Eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to YAHWEH, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the Living Elohim? Hebrews 9:13-14.

            How much more shall the blood of Messiah, Who through the Eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to YAHWEH

            Who does the offering here?

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            • #51
              As I have said, Messiah is BOTH Yah's sin offering sacrifice 1 Corinthians 5:7; 2 Corinthians 5:21 for us Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 7:27; Hebrews 9:13-14; Hebrews 9:26, and Messiah is the anointed High Priest Lev.4; Psalms 2:2; Psalms 45:7; Isaiah 61:1; Luke 4:18; Acts 10:38; Hebrews 1:9; Hebrews 6:20; Hebrews 7:26; Hebrews 8:1; Hebrews 10:21.

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              • #52
                the facts as you stated are here Ken

                The VERY first thing that Yeshua TAUGHT His Disciples is WHAT Moses WROTE concerning His suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection.
                but where is that specific Old Testament prophecy?
                and I responded

                Hosea 6 refers to the third day resurrection of our Lord.
                Nevertheless, it is admittedly usually not footnoted in Bible translations because more clarity was looked for; maybe the translators preferred to be cautious which is understandable!


                Hosea is not ' the law of Moses ken but '' the prophet''
                next
                FACT
                This is not clearly written anywhere in the old testament, nor in the law of Moses to the Hebrews and that is why it is not footnoted;
                if it was so clear and concise why didnt the jews of the day believe Jesus

                then I wrote your solution in the following post
                Solution you need to be BORN AGAIN then ask Jesus to remove the ''church'' from your life so he can give you HIS.

                when you have His life WORKING in you - HE DEALS WITH THE 2018AD problems you face daily - NOT THE ONES back in the days of the pyramids and that lifestyle
                forgoodness sakes~~~~


                so unless Jesus had OTHER SCROLLS, he expounded the Law of MOSES on that we know nothing about, it is certainly not clear from what Moses wrote..

                Yes Jesus did add Isiah 53 when He stood up that day = BUT THAT IS FROM THE PHOPHET not the law of Moses.

                there is no accusing there ken just the simple facts that THE LAW OF MOSES WAS removed in 70ad and no man can re instate it and be a saint of the Father.
                and you have failed to understand '' how heaven and earth shall pass away'' as a saying not a FACT and remain dull of hearing and accepting church traditions as the truth

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                • #53
                  the WORDS '' THE LOST'' and ''CAPTIVE''

                  Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                  and I responded

                  Hosea 6 refers to the third day resurrection of our Lord.
                  Nevertheless, it is admittedly usually not footnoted in Bible translations because more clarity was looked for; maybe the translators preferred to be cautious which is understandable!


                  Hosea is not ' the law of Moses ken but '' the prophet''
                  next
                  FACT
                  This is not clearly written anywhere in the old testament, nor in the law of Moses to the Hebrews and that is why it is not footnoted;
                  if it was so clear and concise why didnt the jews of the day believe Jesus

                  then I wrote your solution in the following post
                  Solution you need to be BORN AGAIN then ask Jesus to remove the ''church'' from your life so he can give you HIS.

                  when you have His life WORKING in you - HE DEALS WITH THE 2018AD problems you face daily - NOT THE ONES back in the days of the pyramids and that lifestyle
                  forgoodness sakes~~~~


                  so unless Jesus had OTHER SCROLLS, he expounded the Law of MOSES on that we know nothing about, it is certainly not clear from what Moses wrote..

                  Yes Jesus did add Isiah 53 when He stood up that day = BUT THAT IS FROM THE PHOPHET not the law of Moses.

                  there is no accusing there ken just the simple facts that THE LAW OF MOSES WAS removed in 70ad and no man can re instate it and be a saint of the Father.
                  and you have failed to understand '' how heaven and earth shall pass away'' as a saying not a FACT and remain dull of hearing and accepting church traditions as the truth
                  BTW
                  JESUS WAS NEVER BURNT ALIVE AS AN OFFERING but crucified a very different form of sacrifice and death.


                  THE CAPTIVE LOST Jesus referred to was to the Hebrews as a nation
                  And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself.
                  BY PUTTING THE BRAIN IN GEAR~~~~ = A CAPTIVE IS IN A JAIL, A NUMBER GIVEN AND A LOST PERSON, WITH THEIR JAILER OVER THEM AS HEAD HONCHO.

                  HMMM
                  when the ''scribes' were writing and quoting Jesus, [ the walk on the road to Emmanus] the words used were altered?????.... NOT to EXPOUND ''ON''' MOSES BUT ''ABOUT'' MOSES and the law that kept all men under it AS the LOST CAPTIVES and HE WAS THE FREEDOM FIGHTER THAT WAS COME TO SET MEN FREE ~~~ HE DEFEATED THE DEVIL AT THE CROSS.
                  THE GOODNEWS WAS how the god of the OT was defeated and the disciples hearts rejoiced.
                  And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself.
                  Captives rejoice when freed and they long to tell others about this freedom hey..................... they don't rejoice over a 'history lesson''
                  people rejoice at their freedom their release from bondage of THE YOKE THAT WAS TOO HARD TO BEAR. [ACTS 15]

                  Yeshua has a YOKE Math 11 28 29 30 - saints move into,. and this yoke is easy and has nothing to do with a law that was LATER CALLED later as imperfect and useless.
                  Last edited by LucySmith; 08-06-2018, 04:58 PM.

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                  • #54
                    Lucy, if you can’t understand the BURNING=SUFFERING, why should I go on?

                    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                    BTW
                    JESUS WAS NEVER BURNT ALIVE AS AN OFFERING but crucified a very different form of sacrifice and death.


                    THE CAPTIVE LOST Jesus referred to was to the Hebrews as a nation

                    BY PUTTING THE BRAIN IN GEAR~~~~ = A CAPTIVE IS IN A JAIL, A NUMBER GIVEN AND A LOST PERSON, WITH THEIR JAILER OVER THEM AS HEAD HONCHO.

                    HMMM
                    when the ''scribes' were writing and quoting Jesus, [ the walk on the road to Emmanus] the words used were altered?????.... NOT to EXPOUND ''ON''' MOSES BUT ''ABOUT'' MOSES and the law that kept all men under it AS the LOST CAPTIVES and HE WAS THE FREEDOM FIGHTER THAT WAS COME TO SET MEN FREE ~~~ HE DEFEATED THE DEVIL AT THE CROSS.
                    THE GOODNEWS WAS how the god of the OT was defeated and the disciples hearts rejoiced.


                    Captives rejoice when freed and they long to tell others about this freedom hey..................... they don't rejoice over a 'history lesson''
                    people rejoice at their freedom their release from bondage of THE YOKE THAT WAS TOO HARD TO BEAR. [ACTS 15]

                    Yeshua has a YOKE Math 11 28 29 30 - saints move into,. and this yoke is easy and has nothing to do with a law that was LATER CALLED later as imperfect and useless.
                    Lucy, if you can’t understand that when Moses WROTE that the animals were to be BURNT outside the camp, which corresponds to Yeshua ALSO SUFFERING outside the city gate, then what is the use for me to go on with you? It appears your heart is set, your neck is stiff, your eyes are closed, and your ears are shut, so what point is there for me to continue on with where Moses WROTE of Yeshua’s death, burial, shutting up or sealing the tomb, and the third day resurrection? If you can’t even grasp that the BURNING of the animals represents or signifies the SUFFERING of Yeshua, then you for sure won’t be able to understand or grasp what follows that BURNING/SUFFERING. And please, don’t tell me again that Yeshua was crucified instead of being burned. I know that He was crucified, but He was ALSO BURNT “Spiritually speaking,” just like what Peter indicated that Believers were being “Spiritually burnt,” by saying this:

                    1Pet 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
                    1Pet 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Messiah’s sufferings; that, when His glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

                    You see Lucy, Peter saw how the believers were partaking of Messiah’s SUFFERING by going THROUGH the FIERY trial. Why can’t you believe this? Ken
                    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                    Abstain from meats offered to idols
                    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                    • #55
                      an excellent idea Ken

                      Lucy, if you can’t understand that when Moses WROTE that the animals were to be BURNT outside the camp, which corresponds to Yeshua ALSO SUFFERING outside the city gate, then what is the use for me to go on with you
                      btw Which corresponds to Yeshua ALSO SUFFERING outside the city gate, SO DID ALL THOSE VICTIMS STONED TO DEATH ON THE SLIGHTEST WHIM of an ANGRY GOD

                      but PLEASE
                      dont go on with it!!!!
                      YOU SEE KEN WHEN YOU HAVE THE REAL THING IN YOUR LIFE, RELIGIOUSITY IS NO LONGER NEEDED- I DONT NEED CHURCH traditional religiousity - i am over it and moved on

                      solution
                      LEARN TO REALLY BE BORN AGAIN AND HOW TO LIVE HERE AND BE truly alive and quickened to the gospel good news in the 2018 zone you were placed within.
                      John 10 v 10 = read it and write it 1000 times so you will fully understand its implications
                      JESUS IS THE LIFE BEARER not Moses, the law nor the prophets.
                      HE CAME TO BRING LIFE AND NO OTHERS.

                      YOU WALK IN THE DESERTS with the ancients in a DECLARED -useless and imperfect law, by going round in circles, walking in a death cycle of fallen men and never receiving the divine eternity into your life HERE
                      YOUR TESTIMONY IS NOT ONE THAT OVERCOMES SATAN

                      ALAS

                      THE REAL PROBLEM KEN IS you fashion the verses that can mean anything you want it too..................that is deception 1st class.
                      it is an old ruse the Oracle of Dephi used it every day,
                      funny thing is
                      THE CREATOR FATHER never did anything in His creation that no one misunderstands.,
                      the sun comes out
                      the stars shine
                      the moon waxes and wanes
                      trees grow from seeds
                      bird sing not talk
                      cows give milk
                      rats eat wheat
                      cockroaches are a pest
                      millions of things we ALL understand
                      etc etc - so easy to understand,

                      but when it comes to the bible - the crazy mess of mixed up dualism and millions of ideas on what it says.,
                      Your ideas are just a sample of many, and so produce the fruits of your bible belief in your life - it manifest out as a PRODUCT.....................

                      now i dont like that manifestation for all the years you claim to be ''christian'' i would not buy your PRODUCT.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                        btw Which corresponds to Yeshua ALSO SUFFERING outside the city gate, SO DID ALL THOSE VICTIMS STONED TO DEATH ON THE SLIGHTEST WHIM of an ANGRY GOD

                        but PLEASE
                        dont go on with it!!!!
                        YOU SEE KEN WHEN YOU HAVE THE REAL THING IN YOUR LIFE, RELIGIOUSITY IS NO LONGER NEEDED- I DONT NEED CHURCH traditional religiousity - i am over it and moved on

                        solution
                        LEARN TO REALLY BE BORN AGAIN AND HOW TO LIVE HERE AND BE truly alive and quickened to the gospel good news in the 2018 zone you were placed within.
                        John 10 v 10 = read it and write it 1000 times so you will fully understand its implications
                        JESUS IS THE LIFE BEARER not Moses, the law nor the prophets.
                        HE CAME TO BRING LIFE AND NO OTHERS.

                        YOU WALK IN THE DESERTS with the ancients in a DECLARED -useless and imperfect law, by going round in circles, walking in a death cycle of fallen men and never receiving the divine eternity into your life HERE
                        YOUR TESTIMONY IS NOT ONE THAT OVERCOMES SATAN

                        ALAS

                        THE REAL PROBLEM KEN IS you fashion the verses that can mean anything you want it too..................that is deception 1st class.
                        it is an old ruse the Oracle of Dephi used it every day,
                        funny thing is
                        THE CREATOR FATHER never did anything in His creation that no one misunderstands.,
                        the sun comes out
                        the stars shine
                        the moon waxes and wanes
                        trees grow from seeds
                        bird sing not talk
                        cows give milk
                        rats eat wheat
                        cockroaches are a pest
                        millions of things we ALL understand
                        etc etc - so easy to understand,

                        but when it comes to the bible - the crazy mess of mixed up dualism and millions of ideas on what it says.,
                        Your ideas are just a sample of many, and so produce the fruits of your bible belief in your life - it manifest out as a PRODUCT.....................

                        now i dont like that manifestation for all the years you claim to be ''christian'' i would not buy your PRODUCT.
                        now i dont like that manifestation for all the years you claim to be ''christian'' i would not buy your PRODUCT.
                        No, but you will buy every Tom, Dick, and Harry's ideas about it on the internet huh Lucy?

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