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  • #31
    LETS look at what Ken..... aka...... '' i keep the law Of Moses spiritually''

    Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Lucy, it is very evident that the Truth of what the Spirit TEACHES us and REMINDS us of is vomit to you. The VERY first thing that Yeshua TAUGHT His Disciples is WHAT Moses WROTE concerning His suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection. Yeshua SENT His Spirit to REMIND them (and us) of those TEACHINGS (of what Moses WROTE), and YOU think they are but garbage. Shame on you and your disbelief of what The Spirit REMINDS us of and TEACHES us from what Moses wrote concerning Yeshua. The demon that is TEACHING you KNOWS the Power of what the Spirit can TEACH about what Moses WROTE concerning Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection, and that is WHY it is pushing you so hard to be AGAINST the Truth of the Scriptures. Ken
    [BUT NO-ONE ELSE COULD....[JUST A MINOR POINT so who is really under a delusion?? 2-6 million wilderness dwellers could not but Ken can - aka- wonder man]



    Ken posted
    KEN POST SAID...The VERY first thing that Yeshua TAUGHT His Disciples is WHAT Moses WROTE concerning His suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection.
    but where is that specific Old Testament prophecy?


    Luke 24:44-46.
    Jesus speaking,
    "Thus it is written that the messiah would suffer and rise again on the third day."
    FACT
    this is not clearly written anywhere in the old testament, nor in the law of Moses to the Hebrews and that is why it is not footnoted;

    Now the church scholars claim it is found here.
    Hosea:
    1. "Come, let us return to the Lord. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds.
    2. After two days he will revive us; on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presence.
    3. Let us acknowledge the Lord; let us press on to acknowledge him."
    (Hosea 6:1-3a).

    but can imply to anything=.this is not clear enough+ Hosea 6 is too vague

    Jonah SEEMS clear enough on the fact of the resurrection:
    40. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Matthew 12:40).
    BUT THAT TOO IS NOT STATING the RESURRECTION ARISING OUT FROM THE GRAVE -very concisely.

    So if a searcher was actually looking for the verses CLEARLY spoken by Moses '''in''' His law [AS ken stated]..............here.....
    The VERY first thing that Yeshua TAUGHT His Disciples is WHAT Moses WROTE concerning His suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection.

    it cannot be found clearly and concisely written out from Moses LAW to the jews.

    THE FRUIT
    how many Jews under the Law of moses converted to the Christian religion in the 1st century.
    Australian Catholic University
    Research Associate:
    Department of New Testament Studies
    University of Pretoria
    https://repository.up.ac.za/bitstrea...pdf?sequence=3
    Abstract
    This study examines the early Christian mission(s) to the Jews, and
    attempts to determine, albeit speculatively, the number of Jews in the
    Christian movement in the first century. It is argued that the combined
    Christian mission was marked by a distinct lack of success. Neither
    the Law-observant gospel of the Jerusalem church nor the Law-free
    gospel of the Hellenists and Paul made much impression upon the
    people of Israel.
    Last edited by LucySmith; 07-28-2018, 10:30 PM. Reason: added info

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    • #32
      when something is not clearly spoken and easy to understand, why is it so?

      Father our creator did not hide nature in a mystery.
      everything in all nature is arranged clearly for human understanding
      why ''' hide'''' his O.T. ''prophecies'' by mincing words in a very obscure way?
      Vaticinia ex eventu — retrospective prophecy —
      is an ancient technique for gaining credibility.
      It involves generating a prediction that appears to predate the event that it foretells.
      The event therefore appears to confirm the miraculous prediction. The trick can be done in several ways.


      RETROVSPECTIVE prophecies.
      example
      The Greek version of the Old Testament (the Septuagint) contained errors of translation that could be picked up and incorporated into the New Testament by anyone arranging events to match prophecies.
      The story of the Virgin Birth, found in Matthew 1:23, depends upon a mistranslation of Isaiah 7:14.
      The passage should read:
      Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel
      But in the Septuagint the word for "young woman" is mistranslated as "virgin", and this Greek mistranslation has been picked up in creating a retrospective gospel prophecy.
      Incidentally there was another difficulty with this prophecy.
      Mary named her child not Immanuel, as required by the prophecy, but Jesus.
      ''Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given ",
      recited at Christmas services each year is a quotation from Isaiah 9:6 and refers not to Jesus but to Maher-shalal-hash-baz, a child born in the previous chapter.

      When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
      This prophecy does not refer to the Lord, or to any individual.
      Moreover, it is phrased in the past tense, and the citation is clearly selective.
      In fact, the original text refers to the Exodus from Egypt led by Moses, an event that had already happened centuries earlier.

      YES JESUS IS REAL
      AND
      YES HE IS OUR SAVIOUR=
      He comes into His chosen's saints lives and guides and directs their path for the time and the season and the troubles and trials they live within!
      HE TALKS TO THEM, not always out from an ancient book but to their personal hearing on overcoming their trials and how to move into holy living as per John 10 v 10
      He does not order His saints to obey any law, BUT reveals to them THE LAW OF LIFE that gave him the Christ power that HE WALKED IN and this law allows the saints to LIVE FAR HIGHER than the realm of vanity,
      YES a saint does live in vanity but does not partake of any of its systems....
      They are notably weaned from these corrupt systems by Jesus taking to them and advising them how to escape from ALL its corruption,.
      including its massive religious apostacy

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      • #33
        Your first two sentences in your last post are incorrect Lucy. They may often be simple, but rarely clear. They take years and years to figure out.
        The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it's the illusion of knowledge.

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        • #34
          i think what is wrong is= JESUS IS NOT REALLY IN A BOOK BUT '''IN''' our lives

          however THE BOOK has become the idol of the churchies
          or
          THE BOOK has become the reality to them RATHER THAN - THE living PRESENCE OF YESHUA manifesting out FROM THEM AND INTO THIS WORLD.

          IF YOU HAVE Jesus indwelling you don't need THE BOOK.
          and
          I have come to the conclusion, this is basically why Jesus never wrote a letter, a script, a page, because then it becomes an idol and a dead letter!

          THE WORD IS CREATIVE and so this creative force deals with every daily situation a saint finds themselves in, [Math 11 v 28-30] as the saint DRAWS FROM THE DIVINE KNOWLEDGE WITH EARS TO HEAR WHAT TO DO~~~
          THE BOOK IS NOT LIVING SO THOSE WHO READ will not find eternal life Here.
          and this eternal life is so much higher than human life and the ''counsels of the wicked''
          basically ''the counsels of the wicked'' come from traditional religious thinkers as the church follows the world!

          What we see in the history of the Church is an apostasy that sews back the veil creating a distortion in the gospel.
          The glorious reality that Jesus opened up to us has been closed off through the doctrines of men that center around the physical body of Jesus.
          These doctrines have believers focused on a desire to see Jesus in physical form either at the rapture, or in old Jerusalem or in that place they call heaven.
          They want to see Jesus anywhere but in the mirror.

          how do you have HIM in the mirror?
          BY HAVING HIS INDWELLING CHARACTER AND FRUIT

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          • #35
            Lucy, you refuse to read.

            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
            Ken posted
            KEN POST SAID...The VERY first thing that Yeshua TAUGHT His Disciples is WHAT Moses WROTE concerning His suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection.
            but where is that specific Old Testament prophecy?


            Luke 24:44-46.
            Jesus speaking,

            FACT
            this is not clearly written anywhere in the old testament, nor in the law of Moses to the Hebrews and that is why it is not footnoted;

            Now the church scholars claim it is found here.
            HoseaHosea 6:1-3a).

            but can imply to anything=.this is not clear enough+ Hosea 6 is too vague

            Jonah SEEMS clear enough on the fact of the resurrection:
            40. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Matthew 12:40).
            BUT THAT TOO IS NOT STATING the RESURRECTION ARISING OUT FROM THE GRAVE -very concisely.

            So if a searcher was actually looking for the verses CLEARLY spoken by Moses '''in''' His law [AS ken stated]..............here.....

            it cannot be found clearly and concisely written out from Moses LAW to the jews.
            Lucy, it has been explained to you before, but you can't accept it. Yeshua "opened" the minds of His Disciples to see what was WRITTEN by Moses, but what He "opened" to them is VEILED. If it was CLEARLY written, you would have already believed what Moses wrote concerning the suffering, death, burial, placing a stone over the entrance of the tomb, and then His third day resurrection. Do you see that i have added another little clue for you, "placing a stone over the entrance of the tomb?" You see, Moses wrote that would be required, yet he did not CLEARLY write it, it is VEILED. So Lucy, if Yeshua allows your mind to be OPENED to what Moses wrote, then it will be CRYSTAL CLEAR to you, and the VEIL will be removed. But you know what I think is going on with you, I think that all you want is to get our pearls, stomp them in the mud, and then turn, and tear us apart. But I do hope that is not the case. Ken
            Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

            Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
            Abstain from meats offered to idols
            (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
            So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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            • #36
              Sorry Ken, but you will have to wait until she consults with her wizards that have familiar spirits Lev.19:31 on the internet.

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              • #37
                GROOMED b y cultural values/ethics - the great deception

                Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
                Lucy, it has been explained to you before, but you can't accept it. Yeshua "opened" the minds of His Disciples to see what was WRITTEN by Moses, but what He "opened" to them is VEILED. If it was CLEARLY written, you would have already believed what Moses wrote concerning the suffering, death, burial, placing a stone over the entrance of the tomb, and then His third day resurrection. Do you see that i have added another little clue for you, "placing a stone over the entrance of the tomb?" You see, Moses wrote that would be required, yet he did not CLEARLY write it, it is VEILED. So Lucy, if Yeshua allows your mind to be OPENED to what Moses wrote, then it will be CRYSTAL CLEAR to you, and the VEIL will be removed. But you know what I think is going on with you, I think that all you want is to get our pearls, stomp them in the mud, and then turn, and tear us apart. But I do hope that is not the case. Ken
                KEN - AKA- THE RELIGIOUS MAN GROOMED BY TRADITIONS walking exactly the same as a MUSLIM, who is also GROOMED by his koran and its ethics.
                BOTH MEN would war against each other WHO had the right god.
                MOSES WAS A MURDERER
                MOHAMMED WAS A MURDERER
                SAUL/PAUL WAS A MURDERER
                it seems MURDERING LEADERS MUST BE OBEYED !

                Ken, you were not there to witness any OT events nor any NT events.
                they are just words in a book, and your life is a reflection of the ugly side of those words as you stife and harm your nearest and not so dearest family.
                you cannot prove one word from your belief.
                not one.
                the fruit is the character and the nature of the character is clearly expressed IN JESUS AND HIS FATHER ALONE

                as for Moses allow me to imagine a conspiracy so vast few will believe it but the elect are not deceived
                HOW DO YOU PLAN IN ADVANCE TO DECEIVE THE WHOLE WORLD?
                HOW DO YOU CREATE A PERSPECTIVE, THAT WILL CONTROL ALL MEN and make them puppets under your full control?
                you have 2 books written of ''GOD''SAID WITH SOME VERSES AS DIAMONDS [TRUTH] AND MOST OF DUNG [ THE BEST WAY TO DECEIVE IS TO MIX TRUTH WITH ERROR]
                hmmmm
                JESUS CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE.
                what were the captives captivated too = an agenda of brutality, inhumanity and evil -
                KEN YOU HAVE FALLEN A VICTIM TO GROOMERS JUST AS THE MUSLIMS HAVE FALLEN VICTIMS TO THE KORAN.... AS CULTS of inhumanity against our brothers as children of Abba and your personal life reflects your own inhumanity to your relations and the disharmony you manifest.
                THE GREATEST DECEPTION IS RELIGION - SATAN LOVES RELIGION AND HIS BEST EFFORTS ARE TO ADVISE ON IT,. youhave played into his hands

                JESUS CAME WITH THE GOODNEWS of peace on earth and goodwill to all men - you failed Ken, to make this your example as did Spying and that whole dysfunctional family you lead.
                why would anyone believe men who are dysfunctional?

                long ago a ''conspiracy was hatched'' to make all men slaves to it................ WHAT TRANSPIRED that is now being exposed?
                those unholy BOOKS called ''holy'''........................ WITH its ugly inhumane GODS TO BE OBEY AT ALL COSTS!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                  KEN - AKA- THE RELIGIOUS MAN GROOMED BY TRADITIONS walking exactly the same as a MUSLIM, who is also GROOMED by his koran and its ethics.
                  BOTH MEN would war against each other WHO had the right god.
                  MOSES WAS A MURDERER
                  MOHAMMED WAS A MURDERER
                  SAUL/PAUL WAS A MURDERER
                  it seems MURDERING LEADERS MUST BE OBEYED !

                  Ken, you were not there to witness any OT events nor any NT events.
                  they are just words in a book, and your life is a reflection of the ugly side of those words as you stife and harm your nearest and not so dearest family.
                  you cannot prove one word from your belief.
                  not one.
                  the fruit is the character and the nature of the character is clearly expressed IN JESUS AND HIS FATHER ALONE

                  as for Moses allow me to imagine a conspiracy so vast few will believe it but the elect are not deceived
                  HOW DO YOU PLAN IN ADVANCE TO DECEIVE THE WHOLE WORLD?
                  HOW DO YOU CREATE A PERSPECTIVE, THAT WILL CONTROL ALL MEN and make them puppets under your full control?
                  you have 2 books written of ''GOD''SAID WITH SOME VERSES AS DIAMONDS [TRUTH] AND MOST OF DUNG [ THE BEST WAY TO DECEIVE IS TO MIX TRUTH WITH ERROR]
                  hmmmm
                  JESUS CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE.
                  what were the captives captivated too = an agenda of brutality, inhumanity and evil -
                  KEN YOU HAVE FALLEN A VICTIM TO GROOMERS JUST AS THE MUSLIMS HAVE FALLEN VICTIMS TO THE KORAN.... AS CULTS of inhumanity against our brothers as children of Abba and your personal life reflects your own inhumanity to your relations and the disharmony you manifest.
                  THE GREATEST DECEPTION IS RELIGION - SATAN LOVES RELIGION AND HIS BEST EFFORTS ARE TO ADVISE ON IT,. youhave played into his hands

                  JESUS CAME WITH THE GOODNEWS of peace on earth and goodwill to all men - you failed Ken, to make this your example as did Spying and that whole dysfunctional family you lead.
                  why would anyone believe men who are dysfunctional?

                  long ago a ''conspiracy was hatched'' to make all men slaves to it................ WHAT
                  unholy BOOKS........................ WITH A GOD TO BE OBEY AT ALL COSTS!
                  Lucy,

                  they are just words in a book
                  Next you will be pretending to believe John 10V10 too, and satan loves to remove the word of Yah from people's hearts and minds so they cannot be saved Luke 8:11-21, and you promote your daddy's works.

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                  • #39
                    Lucy,

                    Who did Paul and Moses murder?

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                    • #40
                      Who Wrote the Torah?

                      Who Wrote the Torah?

                      For thousands of years people believed that the five books of the Pentateuch were written by Moses.
                      Even a cursory read of the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, shows that the Torah could not have been written by a single person – because of differences in style, language and contradiction in the texts, among other things. Scholars studying the bible in Germany during the 18th and 19th centuries concluded that it was a composite work by editors tying together earlier texts written by very different authors.

                      This conclusion is based on four characteristics recurring in the Torah. (1) The language used in different sections differs widely. (2) Varying ideology. (3) Contradictions in the narrative. (4) The text is strangely repetitive in part, for no obvious reason, indicating that two versions of a single story were included.



                      Let's start with the indications that the authors of the Torah were a multitude of people from different eras, not one person; then we can consider who these writers were. Aptly, we can begin with examples from Genesis.

                      In the name of God
                      The best example of changing language is in the name of God.

                      The Bible begins with the line “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” (Genesis 1:1).

                      Throughout the first account of creation, God is called Elohim. But starting in Genesis 2:4, a second and different account of creation begins - in which God is called Yahweh.

                      The two accounts also vary in ideology. Elohim in the first account of creation was transcendent - creating the world by his will alone, without interacting with mankind. Yahweh in the second account of creation is immanent, almost human: He talks with Adam and performs surgery on him too. Evidently these two sharply different visions of God were conceived by different men.



                      In further proof of differential authorship, the accounts of creation contradict one another. In the first, Elohim creates the animals on Thursday and then creates man and woman on Friday - together. In the second account, Yahweh creates man, then the animals, and only after failing to find a partner for man among them does he create woman out of man’s rib. These strikingly different stories had to be written by different people.

                      Say what? And say it again

                      The repetition and contradictions thus start with Genesis.


                      Another case is Noah’s Ark.

                      Unlike the case of creation, the redactor didn’t put the two accounts of Noah and the flood side by side. The two accounts are interwoven, as we see from the morphing name of God, which switches back and forth between Elohim and Yahweh from passage to passage. But the merger of the two stories is not seamless otherwise too.



                      For one, Noah loads the animals onto the Ark twice: "There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as Elohim had commanded Noah"״ (Genesis 7:9); and then again just a few passages later "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life" (Genesis 7:15).

                      Even more strikingly, perhaps, we are told twice that the flood covered the earth: "And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters" (7:18) followed by "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered." (7:19)

                      If it isn't concrete evidence that there was more than one writer, it's still an impressively smoking gun.

                      Meet the writers: The Yahwist, the Elohist, priests, and the Deuteronomist

                      Ultimately the German bible scholars, led by Julius Wellhausen, came up with "the Documentary Hypothesis," postulating that the Pentateuch was compiled from of four earlier books long lost in time, which were merged by an editor dubbed the Redactor.
                      The scholars gave each of these four books (or writers) a name: the Yahwist, the Elohist, the Priestly writers, and the Deuteronomist.

                      https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.prem...orah-1.5318582

                      cont
                      the men who wrote the Torah................... and only the elect are not deceived.

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                      • #41
                        Lucy, I will help you a little more.

                        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                        KEN - AKA- THE RELIGIOUS MAN GROOMED BY TRADITIONS walking exactly the same as a MUSLIM, who is also GROOMED by his koran and its ethics.
                        BOTH MEN would war against each other WHO had the right god.
                        MOSES WAS A MURDERER
                        MOHAMMED WAS A MURDERER
                        SAUL/PAUL WAS A MURDERER
                        it seems MURDERING LEADERS MUST BE OBEYED !

                        Ken, you were not there to witness any OT events nor any NT events.
                        they are just words in a book, and your life is a reflection of the ugly side of those words as you stife and harm your nearest and not so dearest family.
                        you cannot prove one word from your belief.
                        not one.
                        the fruit is the character and the nature of the character is clearly expressed IN JESUS AND HIS FATHER ALONE

                        as for Moses allow me to imagine a conspiracy so vast few will believe it but the elect are not deceived
                        HOW DO YOU PLAN IN ADVANCE TO DECEIVE THE WHOLE WORLD?
                        HOW DO YOU CREATE A PERSPECTIVE, THAT WILL CONTROL ALL MEN and make them puppets under your full control?
                        you have 2 books written of ''GOD''SAID WITH SOME VERSES AS DIAMONDS [TRUTH] AND MOST OF DUNG [ THE BEST WAY TO DECEIVE IS TO MIX TRUTH WITH ERROR]
                        hmmmm
                        JESUS CAME TO SET THE CAPTIVES FREE.
                        what were the captives captivated too = an agenda of brutality, inhumanity and evil -
                        KEN YOU HAVE FALLEN A VICTIM TO GROOMERS JUST AS THE MUSLIMS HAVE FALLEN VICTIMS TO THE KORAN.... AS CULTS of inhumanity against our brothers as children of Abba and your personal life reflects your own inhumanity to your relations and the disharmony you manifest.
                        THE GREATEST DECEPTION IS RELIGION - SATAN LOVES RELIGION AND HIS BEST EFFORTS ARE TO ADVISE ON IT,. youhave played into his hands

                        JESUS CAME WITH THE GOODNEWS of peace on earth and goodwill to all men - you failed Ken, to make this your example as did Spying and that whole dysfunctional family you lead.
                        why would anyone believe men who are dysfunctional?

                        long ago a ''conspiracy was hatched'' to make all men slaves to it................ WHAT TRANSPIRED that is now being exposed?
                        those unholy BOOKS called ''holy'''........................ WITH its ugly inhumane GODS TO BE OBEY AT ALL COSTS!
                        Lucy, I will help you a little more. You teach (tell us) that Yeshua was sacrificed on the cross, but then you deny that Moses wrote about it. Your teaching/telling does not make any sense. I will give you a little hint. The writer of Hebrews states that Yeshua SUFFERED outside the city gate just as the bodies of those animals were BURNED outside the camp. Peter also tells us that they (the Believers) were SUFFERING through a FIERY ORDEAL. The BURNING is a VEILED "picture/shadow" of SUFFERING, so please put 2 + 2 together and realize that when Moses WROTE that the BURNING of the beasts outside the camp WAS him actually WRITING about the SUFFERING of Messiah. So when I tell you that Moses WROTE of Yeshua's SUFFERING, should you not believe it? Did not Yeshua say that Moses WROTE about Him? Ken
                        Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                        Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                        Abstain from meats offered to idols
                        (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                        So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post



                          Ken posted
                          KEN POST SAID.
                          The VERY first thing that Yeshua TAUGHT His Disciples is WHAT Moses WROTE concerning His suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection.
                          but where is that specific Old Testament prophecy?


                          Luke 24:44-46.
                          Jesus speaking,

                          FACT
                          this is not clearly written anywhere in the old testament, nor in the law of Moses to the Hebrews and that is why it is not footnoted;

                          Now the church scholars claim it is found here.
                          HoseaHosea 6:1-3a).

                          but can imply to anything=.this is not clear enough+ Hosea 6 is too vague


                          Jonah SEEMS clear enough on the fact of the resurrection:
                          40. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Matthew 12:40).
                          BUT THAT TOO IS NOT STATING the RESURRECTION ARISING OUT FROM THE GRAVE -very concisely.

                          So if a searcher was actually looking for the verses CLEARLY spoken by Moses '''in''' His law [AS ken stated]

                          it cannot be found clearly and concisely written out from Moses LAW to the jews.

                          Hosea 6 refers to the third day resurrection of our Lord.
                          Nevertheless, it is admittedly usually not footnoted in Bible translations because more clarity was looked for; maybe the translators preferred to be cautious which is understandable!
                          Hosea is not ' the law of Moses ken but '' the prophet''
                          next
                          Something I do wonder about though is the three distinct persons of the questioning Pharisees in John 1:22-26.
                          They ask John the Baptist if he is;

                          The Christ,
                          Elijah,
                          The prophet.
                          So, Who is "the prophet" if distinct from Christ or Elijah?
                          Is this showing their utter ignorance of the OT law that they should have known as being "teachers of the law?" or is there another''' prophet'''?
                          maybe the prophet like Moses?
                          THEN ofcourse any ''prophecy' can be written retrospectively if you working to an agenda of planned jewish NWO religious mind control over the masses.

                          FACT
                          This is not clearly written anywhere in the old testament, nor in the law of Moses to the Hebrews and that is why it is not footnoted;
                          if it was so clear and concise why didnt the jews of the day believe Jesus

                          oh yes
                          THEY WERE BLINDED... that is so '''kind''' from their angry god
                          i thought Jesus cured the blind!!!

                          we were not eye witnesses to any of this book Ken and anyone can write anything and say''god the infallible, said''

                          THE FRUIT IS THE NATURE AND CHARACTER REVEALED AND THE EFFECT UPON OTHERS OF THIS MINISTRY

                          you see Ken you are not a fruit inspector and Jesus withered and cursed the fig tree of the leaves that were on it BUT IT BORE NO FRUITS
                          MAYBE you should look at your leafty ministry of mixing the law with the gospel = a deadly poison.
                          Last edited by LucySmith; 08-04-2018, 10:53 PM.

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                          • #43
                            the real problem is KEN

                            rather than pouring over a book, and telling others your versions the HOLY SPIRIT OF LIFE HERE SHOULD BE POURING HIMSELF OVER YOU
                            how

                            = by changing your mind, your values, your preconceived notions birthed in vanity,
                            but NO,
                            it never happens as you still remain locked into the matrix and refusing to budge saying that same old tired nonsense you did 20 years ago
                            you soak in this world
                            its your father and mother and nothing in you is changed and MADE WHOLE and set free
                            you are the world, with a ''touch of a very false religious belief '' the same as Elijah and Spying = YOU NEVER CHANGE but remain stagnate in sin.

                            so sad to see.
                            you have wasted so many years, in a form of religious zeal all ''churched up'' and no where to go but to chose your tomb stone.

                            and NO there is no clear verses IN THE LAW OF MOSES actually revealing the death of the Messiah = it is blurred at best in types or shadows that can mean anything rather like the ORACLE OF DEPHI
                            [ the sweet smelling incense, gave her a ''''high''' AND so her trancelike words could be interpreted in many different ways]


                            solution you need to be BORN AGAIN then ask Jesus to remove the ''church'' from your life so he can give you HIS.

                            when you have His life WORKING in you - HE DEALS WITH THE 2018AD problems you face daily - NOT THE ONES back in the days of the pyramids and that lifestyle
                            forgoodness sakes~~~~

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                            • #44
                              Lucy, you keep struggling.

                              Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                              rather than pouring over a book, and telling others your versions the HOLY SPIRIT OF LIFE HERE SHOULD BE POURING HIMSELF OVER YOU
                              how

                              = by changing your mind, your values, your preconceived notions birthed in vanity,
                              but NO,
                              it never happens as you still remain locked into the matrix and refusing to budge saying that same old tired nonsense you did 20 years ago
                              you soak in this world
                              its your father and mother and nothing in you is changed and MADE WHOLE and set free
                              you are the world, with a ''touch of a very false religious belief '' the same as Elijah and Spying = YOU NEVER CHANGE but remain stagnate in sin.

                              so sad to see.
                              you have wasted so many years, in a form of religious zeal all ''churched up'' and no where to go but to chose your tomb stone.

                              and NO there is no clear verses IN THE LAW OF MOSES actually revealing the death of the Messiah = it is blurred at best in types or shadows that can mean anything rather like the ORACLE OF DEPHI
                              [ the sweet smelling incense, gave her a ''''high''' AND so her trancelike words could be interpreted in many different ways]


                              solution you need to be BORN AGAIN then ask Jesus to remove the ''church'' from your life so he can give you HIS.

                              when you have His life WORKING in you - HE DEALS WITH THE 2018AD problems you face daily - NOT THE ONES back in the days of the pyramids and that lifestyle
                              forgoodness sakes~~~~
                              Lucy, you keep struggling to attempt explanations as to why you and your fellow false christians cannot explain or "open" the meaning of the Scriptures concerning Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, the covering of the tomb, and His third day resurrection. And NO, concerning Hosea 6, it is speaking of Yahweh's People (v. 11), and most commentators realize this. Hosea 6 and John 2:19 go hand in hand as they say the same thing from Yahweh/Yeshua. So no, your attempt to discredit Moses again has failed. Here is another little clue. There is a CERTAIN Scripture which demands that Yeshua rise from the dead..it is a COMMAND in the Law of Moses, and John indicates that IF they/he had KNOWN that Scripture, he would not have had to run to the tomb and SEE, to BELIEVE that Yeshua rose from the dead:

                              Jn 20:8 - 20:9

                              8 Then went in also that other disciple (John), which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
                              9 For as yet they knew not The Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead.

                              Do you see that Lucy? John runs to the tomb after hearing from the women, and it takes him "seeing" the strips of linen lying separate from the folded head cloth, that convinces him that Yeshua had risen, instead of someone stealing His body. John then adds in verse 9. Why? Because WRITTEN in the Law of Moses is a COMMAND that He must rise again from the dead, and another COMMAND that it be ON the third day, and these COMMANDS were not "opened" to them at that time, it was later that evening when Yeshua "opened" and "expounded" these Scriptures to His Disciples:

                              Lk 24:44 - 24:46

                              44 And He said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning Me.
                              45 Then opened He their understanding, that they might understand The Scriptures,
                              46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Messiah to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

                              So Lucy, you can continue to be like false christianity, not understanding and knowing the power of what is WRITTEN in the Law of Moses, OR you can START to BELIEVE what is WRITTEN, and then truly be BLESSED (and I am not speaking about the money or wealth of this world that you consider as the blessing). Please consider what Yeshua said to Thomas:

                              Jn 20:28 - 20:29

                              28 And Thomas answered and said unto Him, My YAHWEH and my Elohim.
                              29 Yeshua saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.

                              Thomas had to physically be there and SEE for him to believe, yet, the Messiah says that those who have not seen, yet believe what is WRITTEN in The Scriptures, are blessed. Come Lucy, join in with us to receive the BLESSING you know little about. Ken
                              Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                              Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                              Abstain from meats offered to idols
                              (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                              So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                                why would Jesus have you rule over His kingdoms Ken

                                when you have personally ruined some young children lives, by your choices
                                by acting in part with others to destroy your assembly,
                                by sending young children to unsuited homes for correction
                                and
                                failed to manifest all manner of godliness, by making very sad and heart wrenching decissions!
                                Unable to save your wife, by directing her into the glorious goodnews as she declared '' my husband is my pastor''

                                FACT
                                you walked this way, because Jesus was NOT WALKING WITH YOU daily so you made ugly wrong sinfilled choices by eating from the tree of good and evil knowledge!
                                you are a talker Ken and not a walker.

                                JESUS WAS NOT and Is not WALKING AND GUIDING YOU INTO HIS KINGDOM!
                                you have made Moses to become your Saviour~

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