Did Yeshua Slay or Kill Himself?

[Eliyah]

Shalom Eliyahu, baloney. I ONLY added in "seventh day of the Feast-21st day" because YOU, a long time ago added in "seventh day of the week-22nd day," FIRST. You were the one to add in your own words to the seventh day and twist it to mean "seventh day of the week-22nd day," so don't accuse me of doing something that you did first. And I even quoted YOUR words, "Moses is speaking about the seventh day of the week, and not the seventh day of unleavened bread.," so it is VERY obvious that you were the FIRST to manipulate your OWN interpretation into what the Scriptures were saying. And with me now showing Lev 23:8 and Lev 23:36 together, it is very obvious that you are in error. If you add in "seventh day of the week-22nd day" to Lev 23:8, should you not also add in "eighth day of the week-22nd day" for Lev 23:36?

Which seems more reasonable and accurate:

Day of the Week Version
Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto Yahweh seven days: in the seventh day (seventh day of the week-22nd day) [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein]. (Feast of Unleavened Bread)
Lev 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto Yahweh: on the eighth day (eighth day of the week-22nd day) shall be an holy convocation unto you;...ye shall do no servile work [therein]. (Feast of Tabernacles)

Feast Day Version
Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto Yahweh seven days: in the seventh day (seventh day of the feast-21st day) [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein]. (Feast of Unleavened Bread)
Lev 23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto Yahweh: on the eighth day (eighth day of the feast-22nd day) shall be an holy convocation unto you;...ye shall do no servile work [therein]. (Feast of Tabernacles)

It should be very obvious to you Eliyahu and ANYONE looking at Lev 23:8 and Lev 23:36, that in BOTH Scriptures it is speaking about the Feast day, and NOT the day of the week. And if you have any doubt, consider Exo 12:15-16 which you Eliyahu also twisted and distorted from what the Scripture was saying and tried to make the seventh day of ULB the seventh day of the week:

Ex 12:15 - 12:16

15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
16 And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

Have you not tried to tell us that the "first day" is the first day of the Feast, and the "seventh day" is the seventh day of the week? In the very same verse you will try to change and manipulate what is obviously meant. Both the first AND seventh days are speaking about days of Unleavened Bread, and NOT the days of the week.

So Eliyahu, you have a long history of adding in your own words to the Scriptures to make them say something that was not meant. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

Ken, you must really like your baloney, and why do you blame me for the very same thing that you do too??

Let's address each part of these verses with a pictorial calendar of each day spoken of in the verse.

Lev 23:8: But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto Yahweh seven days:

The "seven days": 15th=1st day 16th=2nd day 17th=3rd day 18th=4th day 19th=5th day 20th=6th day 21st=7th=last day of feast complete at evening.

These days of time ABOVE have now already gone by, and which day is now left, and comes NEXT in the verse AFTER the 21st day?

in the seventh day [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein]

22nd=the seventh day of the week, and the eighth day.

Exo.12:15: Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread;

The "seven days": 15th=1st day 16th=2nd day 17th=3rd day 18th=4th day 19th=5th day 20th=6th day 21st=7th day=last day of feast at evening.

for whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

for whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day,

Ken, IF this " seventh day" is referring to "the seventh day of the feast=21st" then how can you eat unleavened bread for a full "seven days"(15th day through the 21st day at evening) and NOT eat unleavened bread ON the "seventh day=21st" of the feast??

It's impossible to eat unleavened bread for a full "seven days=15th day through the 21st day" without also eating unleavened bread on and through the 21st=7th day of the feast, or otherwise you would only be eating unleavened bread for "six days" and not "seven days".

The feast is "seven days" long, and NOT "six days" and the verse says, whosoever eats leavened bread UNTIL the seventh day, and this "seventh day" is in reference to the 22nd day=the seventh day of the week.

[Eliyah]

BRAVO
ofcourse saints know of this, and those poor sorry souls who have been transferred into Armstrongism, never had a leg to stand upon,

that is '' big pew religious business'' for you
- its a curse of ''''''''' i.n.d.o.c.t.r,i.n.a.t.io.n'''''''''. for sure

Yes Lucy the truth is now out, and most scholars already know, and I've quoted some of them on here before, they KNOW the Roman Church invented their own calendar, and the world is following their calendation system, because during the time of Messiah and the apostles, they were observing a lunar year as do the scriptures too.

[ImAHebrew]

You shouldn't strain so hard!

Ken, you must really like your baloney, and why do you blame me for the very same thing that you do too??

Let's address each part of these verses with a pictorial calendar of each day spoken of in the verse.

Lev 23:8: But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto Yahweh seven days:

The "seven days": 15th=1st day 16th=2nd day 17th=3rd day 18th=4th day 19th=5th day 20th=6th day 21st=7th=last day of feast complete at evening.

These days of time ABOVE have now already gone by, and which day is now left, and comes NEXT in the verse AFTER the 21st day?

in the seventh day [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein]

22nd=the seventh day of the week, and the eighth day.

Exo.12:15: Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread;

The "seven days": 15th=1st day 16th=2nd day 17th=3rd day 18th=4th day 19th=5th day 20th=6th day 21st=7th day=last day of feast at evening.

for whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

for whosoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day,

Ken, IF this " seventh day" is referring to "the seventh day of the feast=21st" then how can you eat unleavened bread for a full "seven days"(15th day through the 21st day at evening) and NOT eat unleavened bread ON the "seventh day=21st" of the feast??

It's impossible to eat unleavened bread for a full "seven days=15th day through the 21st day" without also eating unleavened bread on and through the 21st=7th day of the feast, or otherwise you would only be eating unleavened bread for "six days" and not "seven days".

The feast is "seven days" long, and NOT "six days" and the verse says, whosoever eats leavened bread UNTIL the seventh day, and this "seventh day" is in reference to the 22nd day=the seventh day of the week.

Shalom Eliyahu, you shouldn't strain so hard. It is very simple to grasp. Here, let me help. First, concerning the seven days of Unleaveaned Bread, is there not a FIRST day and ALSO a SEVENTH day of Unleavened Bread? Yes, there is, and the FIRST day is spoken of in Lev 23:7:

Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

It's very simple, you have a FIRST day of the Feast, and this FIRST day is a Sabbath. Easy peasy, no straining at all. Then in Lev 23:8 we are told about the offering that would be made for the seven days of the FEAST, and then on the seventh day you have another Sabbath. Not the eighth day of the feast (like Tabernacles), but rather the seventh day.

Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto Yahweh seven days: in the seventh day [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein].

Now, I know you really have to strain very hard to get that seventh day OUTSIDE of the FEAST, but all you are doing is making it so that you swallow, hook line and sinker, the lunar sabbath doctrine. And Eliyahu, this is just ONE proof that you are straining at a gnat, as you swallow the doctrine of the lunar sabbath. Exo 12:16 shows in the very same verse about the FIRST and SEVENTH days of the Feast:

Ex 12:16 And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

You really want to strain away the FLOW of what is being said and force your private interpretation to say the FIRST day is a FEAST day, and the SEVENTH day is not? And finally Eliyahu, you try to make a big deal out of the fact that SEVEN days of unleavened bread had to be completed before the seventh day sabbath. Well, Deut 16 disagrees with you to were there are SIX days of unleavened bread before the last and seventh day of the feast, which is a Sabbath:

Deut 16:8 Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day [shall be] a solemn assembly to Yahweh thy Elohim: thou shalt do no work [therein].

Do you see that Eliyahu? The Feast of Unleavened Bread is as you claim, a total of seven days, but Deut 16:8 shows that SIX days of unleavened bread PROCEED the last and final day of Unleavened Bread, and that seventh final day of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath, and it falls on the 21st day of the month, not the 22nd day as your lunar sabbath requires. So my advice to you Eliyahu is for you to realize that what Yeshua told those of His day who were STRAINING the way you are right now, is that you should stop straining, and don't swallow that lunar sabbath lie.

Mt 23:24 [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

[Eliyah]

Shalom Eliyahu, you shouldn't strain so hard. It is very simple to grasp. Here, let me help. First, concerning the seven days of Unleaveaned Bread, is there not a FIRST day and ALSO a SEVENTH day of Unleavened Bread? Yes, there is, and the FIRST day is spoken of in Lev 23:7:

Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

It's very simple, you have a FIRST day of the Feast, and this FIRST day is a Sabbath. Easy peasy, no straining at all. Then in Lev 23:8 we are told about the offering that would be made for the seven days of the FEAST, and then on the seventh day you have another Sabbath. Not the eighth day of the feast (like Tabernacles), but rather the seventh day.

Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto Yahweh seven days: in the seventh day [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein].

Now, I know you really have to strain very hard to get that seventh day OUTSIDE of the FEAST, but all you are doing is making it so that you swallow, hook line and sinker, the lunar sabbath doctrine. And Eliyahu, this is just ONE proof that you are straining at a gnat, as you swallow the doctrine of the lunar sabbath. Exo 12:16 shows in the very same verse about the FIRST and SEVENTH days of the Feast:

Ex 12:16 And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

You really want to strain away the FLOW of what is being said and force your private interpretation to say the FIRST day is a FEAST day, and the SEVENTH day is not? And finally Eliyahu, you try to make a big deal out of the fact that SEVEN days of unleavened bread had to be completed before the seventh day sabbath. Well, Deut 16 disagrees with you to were there are SIX days of unleavened bread before the last and seventh day of the feast, which is a Sabbath:

Deut 16:8 Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day [shall be] a solemn assembly to Yahweh thy Elohim: thou shalt do no work [therein].

Do you see that Eliyahu? The Feast of Unleavened Bread is as you claim, a total of seven days, but Deut 16:8 shows that SIX days of unleavened bread PROCEED the last and final day of Unleavened Bread, and that seventh final day of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath, and it falls on the 21st day of the month, not the 22nd day as your lunar sabbath requires. So my advice to you Eliyahu is for you to realize that what Yeshua told those of His day who were STRAINING the way you are right now, is that you should stop straining, and don't swallow that lunar sabbath lie.

Mt 23:24 [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

Ken, sounds like your the one straining ABOVE, at wanting to obey BOTH Rome and Yahweh, or you would not be observing Rome's calendar and week, and why was Spying saying a while back that you and he observed 8-9 days of unleavened bread? Sounds like you boys don't practice what you preach.

And about all you do is quote a scripture, and then say, bla, bla, bla, hear my own twisted interpretation , like you do twisting scripture to fit your twisted idea of breaking the commandment thou shalt not kill/murder.

[Eliyah]

And before I leave again tonight, for those who really want the truth on the calendar to go here below.

https://www.therepairerofthebreach.org/

Scroll down and on the right side is Free E-Books, and download the first one, and read it in PDF format, there is a LOT of scriptures and history info. on this site.

More and more people are waking up to the truth on Rome's calendar and its phony made up feasts on a pagan calendar.

[Eliyah]

Shalom Eliyahu, you shouldn't strain so hard. It is very simple to grasp. Here, let me help. First, concerning the seven days of Unleaveaned Bread, is there not a FIRST day and ALSO a SEVENTH day of Unleavened Bread? Yes, there is, and the FIRST day is spoken of in Lev 23:7:

Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

It's very simple, you have a FIRST day of the Feast, and this FIRST day is a Sabbath. Easy peasy, no straining at all. Then in Lev 23:8 we are told about the offering that would be made for the seven days of the FEAST, and then on the seventh day you have another Sabbath. Not the eighth day of the feast (like Tabernacles), but rather the seventh day.

Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto Yahweh seven days: in the seventh day [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein].

Now, I know you really have to strain very hard to get that seventh day OUTSIDE of the FEAST, but all you are doing is making it so that you swallow, hook line and sinker, the lunar sabbath doctrine. And Eliyahu, this is just ONE proof that you are straining at a gnat, as you swallow the doctrine of the lunar sabbath. Exo 12:16 shows in the very same verse about the FIRST and SEVENTH days of the Feast:

Ex 12:16 And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

You really want to strain away the FLOW of what is being said and force your private interpretation to say the FIRST day is a FEAST day, and the SEVENTH day is not? And finally Eliyahu, you try to make a big deal out of the fact that SEVEN days of unleavened bread had to be completed before the seventh day sabbath. Well, Deut 16 disagrees with you to were there are SIX days of unleavened bread before the last and seventh day of the feast, which is a Sabbath:

Deut 16:8 Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day [shall be] a solemn assembly to Yahweh thy Elohim: thou shalt do no work [therein].

Do you see that Eliyahu? The Feast of Unleavened Bread is as you claim, a total of seven days, but Deut 16:8 shows that SIX days of unleavened bread PROCEED the last and final day of Unleavened Bread, and that seventh final day of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath, and it falls on the 21st day of the month, not the 22nd day as your lunar sabbath requires. So my advice to you Eliyahu is for you to realize that what Yeshua told those of His day who were STRAINING the way you are right now, is that you should stop straining, and don't swallow that lunar sabbath lie.

Mt 23:24 [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

And Ken,

Where in these passages of scriptures that mentions your imaginary Sabbath on the 17th day of the first month??

[ImAHebrew]

I will show you.

And Ken,

Where in these passages of scriptures that mentions your imaginary Sabbath on the 17th day of the first month??

Shalom Eliyahu, I will show you just as soon as you show me where in the Scriptures it mentions your imaginary lunar sabbaths on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29 days of the first month. Don't you think what is good for the goose is good for the gander? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken

P.S. Now why don't you stop wasting your time and effort (such a strain) in trying to disprove what I correctly presented to you on my last post. It's a 100% fact! The seventh day of unleavened bread (the 21st day of the month) is a Sabbath, and this is WHY it can be properly explained that Yeshua died on Wednesday, right before this seventh day Sabbath of the Feast, and rose 3 days and 3 nights later at the end of the WEEKLY Sabbath (on Saturday - as the Jews have been keeping for millennia).

P.S.S. Your lunar sabbath is destroyed, it's demolished, and that allows for the true WEEKLY 7th day Sabbath to be falling on any day of the month, whether it's the 17th day of the first month, or any other day of the first month. The moon does NOT establish the weekly Sabbath, the sun does. Now, there is no need for you to keep straining at destroying the WEEKLY 7th day Sabbath, unless you can un-destroy and un-demolish your lunar sabbaths.

[ImAHebrew]

The day is from morning to morning?

And before I leave again tonight, for those who really want the truth on the calendar to go here below.

https://www.therepairerofthebreach.org/

Scroll down and on the right side is Free E-Books, and download the first one, and read it in PDF format, there is a LOT of scriptures and history info. on this site.

More and more people are waking up to the truth on Rome's calendar and its phony made up feasts on a pagan calendar.

Shalom Eliyahu, this site teaches that the day is from morning to morning, instead of evening to evening. Are you in agreement with them and their wonderful truth of the calendar?? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

[ImAHebrew]

Shalom Eliyahu, you shouldn't strain so hard. It is very simple to grasp. Here, let me help. First, concerning the seven days of Unleaveaned Bread, is there not a FIRST day and ALSO a SEVENTH day of Unleavened Bread? Yes, there is, and the FIRST day is spoken of in Lev 23:7:

Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

It's very simple, you have a FIRST day of the Feast, and this FIRST day is a Sabbath. Easy peasy, no straining at all. Then in Lev 23:8 we are told about the offering that would be made for the seven days of the FEAST, and then on the seventh day you have another Sabbath. Not the eighth day of the feast (like Tabernacles), but rather the seventh day.

Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto Yahweh seven days: in the seventh day [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein].

Now, I know you really have to strain very hard to get that seventh day OUTSIDE of the FEAST, but all you are doing is making it so that you swallow, hook line and sinker, the lunar sabbath doctrine. And Eliyahu, this is just ONE proof that you are straining at a gnat, as you swallow the doctrine of the lunar sabbath. Exo 12:16 shows in the very same verse about the FIRST and SEVENTH days of the Feast:

Ex 12:16 And in the first day [there shall be] an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save [that] which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.

You really want to strain away the FLOW of what is being said and force your private interpretation to say the FIRST day is a FEAST day, and the SEVENTH day is not? And finally Eliyahu, you try to make a big deal out of the fact that SEVEN days of unleavened bread had to be completed before the seventh day sabbath. Well, Deut 16 disagrees with you to were there are SIX days of unleavened bread before the last and seventh day of the feast, which is a Sabbath:

Deut 16:8 Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day [shall be] a solemn assembly to Yahweh thy Elohim: thou shalt do no work [therein].

Do you see that Eliyahu? The Feast of Unleavened Bread is as you claim, a total of seven days, but Deut 16:8 shows that SIX days of unleavened bread PROCEED the last and final day of Unleavened Bread, and that seventh final day of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath, and it falls on the 21st day of the month, not the 22nd day as your lunar sabbath requires. So my advice to you Eliyahu is for you to realize that what Yeshua told those of His day who were STRAINING the way you are right now, is that you should stop straining, and don't swallow that lunar sabbath lie.

Mt 23:24 [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

Ken, sounds like your the one straining ABOVE, at wanting to obey BOTH Rome and Yahweh, or you would not be observing Rome's calendar and week, and why was Spying saying a while back that you and he observed 8-9 days of unleavened bread? Sounds like you boys don't practice what you preach.

And about all you do is quote a scripture, and then say, bla, bla, bla, hear my own twisted interpretation , like you do twisting scripture to fit your twisted idea of breaking the commandment thou shalt not kill/murder.

Shalom Eliyahu, only someone who is under the control and deception of a demon could continue to believe in a lunar sabbath after the clear and concise Scriptural evidence was laid forth from Lev 23, Num 12, and Deu 16. The seventh day of unleavened bread IS a Sabbath, and nothing you can say or present will change that fact. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

P.S. Spying ONLY teaches that the Feast of Unleavened Bread is 7 days. His personal practice, which he will not require of anyone else, is to not have anything leavened in the afternoon and forward from when the Lambs were slaughtered (afternoon of the 14th). So don't try to use your usual tactic of exaggerating what you think someone is saying, to get out of a tight spot.

[Eliyah]

Shalom Eliyahu, I will show you just as soon as you show me where in the Scriptures it mentions your imaginary lunar sabbaths on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29 days of the first month. Don't you think what is good for the goose is good for the gander? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken

P.S. Now why don't you stop wasting your time and effort (such a strain) in trying to disprove what I correctly presented to you on my last post. It's a 100% fact! The seventh day of unleavened bread (the 21st day of the month) is a Sabbath, and this is WHY it can be properly explained that Yeshua died on Wednesday, right before this seventh day Sabbath of the Feast, and rose 3 days and 3 nights later at the end of the WEEKLY Sabbath (on Saturday - as the Jews have been keeping for millennia).

P.S.S. Your lunar sabbath is destroyed, it's demolished, and that allows for the true WEEKLY 7th day Sabbath to be falling on any day of the month, whether it's the 17th day of the first month, or any other day of the first month. The moon does NOT establish the weekly Sabbath, the sun does. Now, there is no need for you to keep straining at destroying the WEEKLY 7th day Sabbath, unless you can un-destroy and un-demolish your lunar sabbaths.

Ken, you completely ignored my post above in posts #71, and #91 by accusing me of straining at knats, as this is your way of ignoring the truth, and to sidestep the question asked of you.

Are Holy Convocation days NOT Sabbaths? Yes, See Lev.23:3.

Both feasts-Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles begin on the same 15th day of the month, see Leviticus 23:6 and Leviticus 23:34 .

Both feasts-Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles last a full SEVEN DAYS, see Exodus 23:15; Exodus 34:18; Lev.23:6 and Lev.23:34; Lev.23:39.

Ken, how can BOTH Feasts BEGIN on the 15th day at the same time, and BOTH Feasts last SEVEN DAYS from the 15th through 21st at the same time, and not be identical to each other in days of time??

Therefore Numbers 29:12-35 will identify the same TIME frame for BOTH feasts during a week.

And on the fifteenth day(15th day) of the seventh month ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work, and ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: Numbers 29:12.

Ken, is this 15th day above NOT identified as a Sabbath day holy convocation?

The pictorial calendar days during the month below, with the Sabbaths in red:

1st new moon 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th Sabbath 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 15th=1st day=Sabbath=Num. 29:12 16th=2nd day 17th=3rd day 18th=4th day 19th=5th day 20th=6th day 21st= 7th SEVEN DAYS 22nd=Sabbath=Num. 29:35 23rd 24th 25th 26th 27th 28th 29th=Sabbath

So tell us Ken, when the 15th day and 22nd day are identified as Sabbath holy convocation days, is not the 8th and 29th also identified as Sabbath days by mathematical default too?

[Eliyah]

Before I leave again tonight here below is a lot of history of the Roman calendar.

8 Days a Week? Julian Calendar History

https://www.worldslastchance.com/yah...r-history.html

[ImAHebrew]

Are you senile?

Ken, you completely ignored my post above in posts #71, and #91 by accusing me of straining at knats, as this is your way of ignoring the truth, and to sidestep the question asked of you.

Are Holy Convocation days NOT Sabbaths? Yes, See Lev.23:3.

Both feasts-Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles begin on the same 15th day of the month, see Leviticus 23:6 and Leviticus 23:34 .

Both feasts-Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles last a full SEVEN DAYS, see Exodus 23:15; Exodus 34:18; Lev.23:6 and Lev.23:34; Lev.23:39.

Ken, how can BOTH Feasts BEGIN on the 15th day at the same time, and BOTH Feasts last SEVEN DAYS from the 15th through 21st at the same time, and not be identical to each other in days of time??

Therefore Numbers 29:12-35 will identify the same TIME frame for BOTH feasts during a week.

And on the fifteenth day(15th day) of the seventh month ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work, and ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: Numbers 29:12.

Ken, is this 15th day above NOT identified as a Sabbath day holy convocation?

The pictorial calendar days during the month below, with the Sabbaths in red:

1st new moon 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th Sabbath 9th 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 15th=1st day=Sabbath=Num. 29:12 16th=2nd day 17th=3rd day 18th=4th day 19th=5th day 20th=6th day 21st= 7th SEVEN DAYS 22nd=Sabbath=Num. 29:35 23rd 24th 25th 26th 27th 28th 29th=Sabbath

So tell us Ken, when the 15th day and 22nd day are identified as Sabbath holy convocation days, is not the 8th and 29th also identified as Sabbath days by mathematical default too?

Shabbat Shalom and Happy New Moon Eliyahu, you know, I am beginning to think that you are getting a little senile. I fully answered your post #71 with my post #79 (which you ignored because you don't know what an acronym is), and I also fully answered your post #91 with my post #93, which utterly destroyed your lunar sabbath, and you replied with a "Lucy" rebuttal...no facts, just a few false allegations. And concerning this latest post by you, come on, you are always demanding that we produce a Scripture that states EXACTLY what we say, and what...you try to "hypothesize" that just because several Feasts throughout the year have a Sabbath on the 15th day of the month, and only ONE Feast that has a Sabbath on the 22nd day of the month - Feast of Tabernacles, you use that as PROOF that the Scripture states the lunar sabbath is on the 8th and 29th days of the month? Baloney!

Friend, your math is horrendous also. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is SEVEN days long. It starts on the 15th and ends on the 21st. The 21st is the SEVENTH day of the Feast, and as Deu 16:8 shows conclusively, that after eating unleavened bread for SIX days, THEN you have a Sabbath on the Seventh Day of the Feast, the LAST day of eating unleavened bread - the 21st day of the month. Or do you think it is ONLY SIX days of eating unleavened bread?

Deut 16:8 Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day (of the Feast - 21st day of the month - the seventh and last day of eating unleavened bread) [shall be] a solemn assembly to Yahweh thy Elohim: thou shalt do no work [therein].

Eliyahu, YOUR lunar sabbath is TOAST. It is DONE. Totally and utterly destroyed...demolished. Time to give it up, because I have given you all of the time that I am willing to give you in discussing this malarkey about your lunar sabbath. I'm finished, and if you ever come out from the deception that you are under concerning it, then let me know, but I am not discussing this any more with you. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

[LucySmith]

what false ''allegations Ken'' u ACCUSE ME of?

I would like to see them in writing to dismiss them or apologise if needed

YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE TO ''PROVE ME A LIAR'' on THE THREAD I OPENED but you were unable to do so.
I am more than willing to be in the HOT SEAT and '''''''my sins''''' laid bare IF NECESSARY
What I post is the truth from an honest and a very godly perspective.

Perhaps, as yet, you have not reached the progressive maturity of the believing saints???
Elijah is correct about the Luna Sabbath for what it is worth.

No-one Godly under divine learning is truly interested in who ''established Saturday as the day''
What day is the Sabbath Day?
Is it Saturday as most people suppose?
Is it Sunday?
Any day of your choosing? Everyday?
Is Jesus our Sabbath rest?
Or do scriptures reveal another truth?
Perhaps God's true Sabbath day is only found by using the calendar God established in the scriptures.
Perhaps no other calendar can identify the correct day.
So we must walk in obedience and follow the time keeping system God established from the beginning in order to correctly identify God's holy days and Sabbaths.
you need to navigate through all the church -web of misinformation out there.

FATHER God said,
Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for....... seasons, and for days, and years.........:
Gen. 1:1
IS THIS SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND!!!!
yes/no/maybe??
sheez

The word “seasons” is from Strong’s#4150, mow’ed, meaning “appointed time,” “meeting,” or “set feast.”
This is the same word used in Lev. 23:2 to describe God’s appointed feasts which were “sacred assemblies.”
These “sacred assemblies” were the Sabbath day, along with the annual holy days.

The moon was appointed to tell us the time of God’s assemblies.

He appointed the moon for seasons: FACT~~~
So the moon was appointed to tell us what day God’s sacred assemblies were which includes the 7th day Sabbath.
is this not a very simple thing to understand~~~~~YES
ok at look at the moon - the clue

AT CREATION FATHER NEVER SAID ''oh that's good I will rest on Saturday'' as HE SET THE MOON IN ITS PLACE TO SPEAK, for the days the feast and the years

[infants go home]

[Eliyah]

Ken, look inside and outside of your post for the answers.

Shabbat Shalom and Happy New Moon Eliyahu, you know, I am beginning to think that you are getting a little senile. I fully answered your post #71 with my post #79 (which you ignored because you don't know what an acronym is), and I also fully answered your post #91 with my post #93, which utterly destroyed your lunar sabbath, and you replied with a "Lucy" rebuttal...no facts, just a few false allegations. And concerning this latest post by you, come on, you are always demanding that we produce a Scripture that states EXACTLY what we say, and what...you try to "hypothesize" that just because several Feasts throughout the year have a Sabbath on the 15th day of the month, and only ONE Feast that has a Sabbath on the 22nd day of the month - Feast of Tabernacles, you use that as PROOF that the Scripture states the lunar sabbath is on the 8th and 29th days of the month? Baloney!Ken, it looks like your the one that has become senile, because the 15th day of the first month is plainly stated by Yahweh as a HOLY CONVOCATION DAY which is a Sabbath day Leviticus 23:3, 6-7; Numbers 28:17-18.

Friend, your math is horrendous also. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is SEVEN days long. It starts on the 15th and ends on the 21st. The 21st is the SEVENTH day of the Feast, and as Deu 16:8 shows conclusively, that after eating unleavened bread for SIX days, THEN you have a Sabbath on the Seventh Day of the Feast, the LAST day of eating unleavened bread - the 21st day of the month. Or do you think it is ONLY SIX days of eating unleavened bread?No, but you do, or you would not be trying to use this verse to pretend that it contradicts the scriptures that tell us unleavened is eaten SEVEN DAYS, and where does Deut. 16:8 tell us that the 21st day of the first lunar month is a HOLY CONVOCATION DAY?? Oppse, it's not there is it?

Deut 16:8 Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day (of the Feast - 21st day of the month - the seventh and last day of eating unleavened bread) [shall be] a solemn assembly to Yahweh thy Elohim: thou shalt do no work [therein].

Eliyahu, YOUR lunar sabbath is TOAST. It is DONE. Totally and utterly destroyed...demolished. Time to give it up, because I have given you all of the time that I am willing to give you in discussing this malarkey about your lunar sabbath. I'm finished, and if you ever come out from the deception that you are under concerning it, then let me know, but I am not discussing this any more with you. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

Ken, here below is the six calendar days in bold black between the Holy Convocation day on the 15th day and the Holy Convocation on the 22nd day=the seventh day that Moses is talking about in Deut.16:8.

15th day=Holy Convocation Day=Lev.23:3, 6-7; Numbers 28:17-18 16th 17th 18th 19th 20th 21st 22nd=seventh day of the week=Holy Convocation=Lev.23:8

Eliyahu, YOUR lunar sabbath is TOAST. It is DONE. Totally and utterly destroyed...demolished. Time to give it up, because I have given you all of the time that I am willing to give you in discussing this malarkey about your lunar sabbath. I'm finished, and if you ever come out from the deception that you are under concerning it, then let me know, but I am not discussing this any more with you. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken

Old buddy, it's yours and Rome's Saturday Sabbath that is TOAST and destroyed, to use your words, and where is your verse of scripture, that tells us the 21st day or the one and twentieth day of the first month is a HOLY CONVOCATION DAY, when Exodus 12:18 tells us to eat unleavened bread until the 21st at evening??

Also, why do you and Spying never show us a text of scripture days of the month that your Saturday Sabbath falls on in the scriptures, if Rome's Satyrday is the scriptural Sabbath?

I can't help but laugh at you dodging my questions asked of you in the previous post above, sounds so much like your master Pharisee Spying.

See Holy Convocation here: http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...vocation&t=KJV

See fifteenth day here:http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...enth+day&t=KJV

[Eliyah]

And Ken,

Between these 2 texts of scriptures given below, you are between a Rock and a Stone hard place.

Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread(15th day through 21st day); even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day(15th day) until the seventh day(22nd day=seventh day of week), that soul shall be cut off from Israel. Exodus 12:15.

In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even(end 14th, and beginning the 15th), ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day(21st day) of the month at even. Exodus 12:18.

Looks like this below on a pictorial calendar of the first lunar month with the Sabbaths in red with their scriptures corresponding to the days.

1st new moon 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th=Sabbath 9th 10th(Exo.12:3) 11th 12th 13th 14th(Exo.12:6) 15th =1st day=(Exo.12:18 first part of verse, Lev.23:3, 6-7, Numbers 28:17-18=Holy Convocation Sabbath) 16th=2nd day 17th=3rd day 18th=4th day 19th=5th day 20th=6th day 21st=7th (SEVEN DAYS=Exodus 12:18 last part of verse) 22nd= (seventh day of week Holy convocation=Exodus 12:15) 23rd 24th 25th 26th 27th 28th 29th=Sabbath

These following texts of scriptures identifies the 15th day of the first lunar month as a HOLY CONVOCATION Sabbath day.

Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. Lev.23:3.

And on the fifteenth day(15th day) of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day(15th day) ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. Lev.23:6-7.

And in the fifteenth day(15th day) of this [first] month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. In the first day(15th day) shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: Numbers 28:17-18.

There is no getting around these scriptures, and the calendar days above.