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  • #46
    Ken, you don't even believe the written N.T. scriptures.

    Ken, all you do is try to weasel your way out of believing the scriptures, and this is WHY you and Spying both will side step or ignore the question and the scriptures.

    You can answer my question below, and let's see if you will admit to the truth of scripture as it is written.

    For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3.

    God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    So tell everyone Mr. pretending Greek professor, if Messiah did not offer up/bear our sins in His own flesh/body on the Tree as the apostle Peter said and wrote in [B[1 Peter 2:24[/B], then who's sins did He condemn in His own flesh??

    Do you want to answer this question asked ABOVE of Spying?

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    • #47
      EliYah: It's simply no use; these people will not believe the scriptures, they love their own fabricated beliefs above the written texts itself.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by guyguy View Post
        EliYah: It's simply no use; these people will not believe the scriptures, they love their own fabricated beliefs above the written texts itself.
        Old buddy, that's beginning to look evident.

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        • #49
          Hi everyone:

          Hi everyone: I've been on a little trip and got back today.
          It seems one is teaching the same Baphomet freemason doctrine of Albert Pike from Morals and Dogma; Pike believed and taught that YHWH was really the devil, and that the devil was really the true God, because he attributed his worldly riches to the devil as another one does the same.

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          • #50
            I will answer to the best of my ability.

            Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
            Ken, all you do is try to weasel your way out of believing the scriptures, and this is WHY you and Spying both will side step or ignore the question and the scriptures.

            You can answer my question below, and let's see if you will admit to the truth of scripture as it is written.

            For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3.

            God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

            So tell everyone Mr. pretending Greek professor, if Messiah did not offer up/bear our sins in His own flesh/body on the Tree as the apostle Peter said and wrote in [B[1 Peter 2:24[/B], then who's sins did He condemn in His own flesh??

            Do you want to answer this question asked ABOVE of Spying?
            Shalom Eliyahu, I will answer to the best of my ability, then you should also answer questions to the best of your ability.

            First to better understand Paul and the "hard to understand" things that he writes, it would behoove us to look at what he means by "and for sin." Most commentators feel this phrase means "for a sin offering," and here are a few of the translations that reflects this thinking:

            Contemporary English Version
            The Law of Moses cannot do this, because our selfish desires make the Law weak. But God set you free when he sent his own Son to be like us sinners and to be a sacrifice for our sin. God used Christ's body to condemn sin.

            New International Version
            For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

            Berean Study Bible
            For what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh,

            New American Standard Bible
            For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,

            Christian Standard Bible
            What the law could not do since it was weakened by the flesh, God did. He condemned sin in the flesh by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh as a sin offering,

            Contemporary English Version
            The Law of Moses cannot do this, because our selfish desires make the Law weak. But God set you free when he sent his own Son to be like us sinners and to be a sacrifice for our sin. God used Christ's body to condemn sin.

            Holman Christian Standard Bible
            What the law could not do since it was limited by the flesh, God did. He condemned sin in the flesh by sending His own Son in flesh like ours under sin's domain, and as a sin offering,

            Weymouth New Testament
            For what was impossible to the Law--powerless as it was because it acted through frail humanity--God effected. Sending His own Son in a body like that of sinful human nature and as a sacrifice for sin, He pronounced sentence upon sin in human nature;
            You see Eliyahu, the phrase that Paul uses, "and for sin," is used in the LXX more that 50 times in just Leviticus alone, and it means "a sin offering." Now, if you can agree with this, I will continue to expound this "hard to understand" writing of Paul, and what he means here. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
            Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

            Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
            Abstain from meats offered to idols
            (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
            So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
              Shalom Eliyahu, I will answer to the best of my ability, then you should also answer questions to the best of your ability.

              First to better understand Paul and the "hard to understand" things that he writes, it would behoove us to look at what he means by "and for sin." Most commentators feel this phrase means "for a sin offering," and here are a few of the translations that reflects this thinking:

              You see Eliyahu, the phrase that Paul uses, "and for sin," is used in the LXX more that 50 times in just Leviticus alone, and it means "a sin offering." Now, if you can agree with this, I will continue to expound this "hard to understand" writing of Paul, and what he means here. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
              Well Ken, I don't have a problem of understand Paul, and I'm not going to twist or wrest his words as Spying does 2 Peter 3:16 to contradict whole texts of other scriptures.

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              • #52
                So then you agree?

                Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                Well Ken, I don't have a problem of understand Paul, and I'm not going to twist or wrest his words as Spying does 2 Peter 3:16 to contradict whole texts of other scriptures.
                Shalom Eliyahu, so then you agree with Paul when he says that Messiah was/is a "sin offering" in Romans 8:3? If you do, I will continue expounding. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
                Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                Abstain from meats offered to idols
                (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                • #53
                  Ken, all you do is try to weasel your way out of believing the scriptures, and this is WHY you and Spying both will side step or ignore the question and the scriptures.

                  You can answer my question below, and let's see if you will admit to the truth of scripture as it is written.

                  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3.

                  God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

                  So tell everyone Mr. pretending Greek professor, if Messiah did not offer up/bear our sins in His own flesh/body on the Tree as the apostle Peter said and wrote in 1 Peter 2:24, then who's sins did He condemn in His own flesh??

                  This is a simple question Ken, please answer it, don't play your Pharisee games, who's sins did Messiah bear in His own flesh body on the tree?

                  Or will you play: Oh I can't answer that, so I have tell my own imaginations about it, or I would have to admit to the truth, and I can't do that.

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                  • #54
                    Elijah: Why wont these people admit to the truth? Because 1 Peter 2:24 tells us plainly that Christ bear our own sins in his own body on the cross.
                    It seems one is teaching the same Baphomet freemason doctrine of Albert Pike from Morals and Dogma; Pike believed and taught that YHWH was really the devil, and that the devil was really the true God, because he attributed his worldly riches to the devil as another one does the same.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Peach View Post
                      Elijah: Why wont these people admit to the truth? Because 1 Peter 2:24 tells us plainly that Christ bear our own sins in his own body on the cross.
                      Peach,

                      That's a good question, which I don't think they will answer or admit to, it seems they are anti-Messiah's, because they DENY what He did for them.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Peach View Post
                        Elijah: Why wont these people admit to the truth? Because 1 Peter 2:24 tells us plainly that Christ bear our own sins in his own body on the cross.
                        Peach,

                        Hmm, you mean that you figured out what that verse of scripture means all by yourself? Why according to the explainer complainer and his brother Spying verses like these have to be re-interpreted to mean their explainer, explainer made up words of oral traditions, as Spying called it.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                          Peach,

                          Hmm, you mean that you figured out what that verse of scripture means all by yourself? Why according to the explainer complainer and his brother Spying verses like these have to be re-interpreted to mean their explainer, explainer made up words of oral traditions, as Spying called it.
                          Good morning Elijah: You are kidding me with that question aren't you? If not; yes I know exactly what the verse means, and no I do not need anyone to explain it to me.

                          gotta go cook breakfast.
                          It seems one is teaching the same Baphomet freemason doctrine of Albert Pike from Morals and Dogma; Pike believed and taught that YHWH was really the devil, and that the devil was really the true God, because he attributed his worldly riches to the devil as another one does the same.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Peach View Post
                            Good morning Elijah: You are kidding me with that question aren't you? If not; yes I know exactly what the verse means, and no I do not need anyone to explain it to me.

                            gotta go cook breakfast.
                            Peach, yes I was kind of kidding you.

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                            • #59
                              I'm not trying to weasel out of anything.

                              Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                              Ken, all you do is try to weasel your way out of believing the scriptures, and this is WHY you and Spying both will side step or ignore the question and the scriptures.

                              You can answer my question below, and let's see if you will admit to the truth of scripture as it is written.

                              For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3.

                              God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

                              So tell everyone Mr. pretending Greek professor, if Messiah did not offer up/bear our sins in His own flesh/body on the Tree as the apostle Peter said and wrote in 1 Peter 2:24, then who's sins did He condemn in His own flesh??

                              This is a simple question Ken, please answer it, don't play your Pharisee games, who's sins did Messiah bear in His own flesh body on the tree?

                              Or will you play: Oh I can't answer that, so I have tell my own imaginations about it, or I would have to admit to the truth, and I can't do that.
                              Shalom Eliyahu, I'm not trying to weasel out of anything, I'm just trying to establish the fact that Paul was saying that Messiah was sent in the "likeness of sinful flesh" FOR or AS a "sin offering," so that sin would be condemned in the flesh. Now, if you can't agree with that, then we have nothing further to discuss about it. Blessings in the Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
                              Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                              Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                              Abstain from meats offered to idols
                              (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                              So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
                                Shalom Eliyahu, I'm not trying to weasel out of anything, I'm just trying to establish the fact that Paul was saying that Messiah was sent in the "likeness of sinful flesh" FOR or AS a "sin offering," so that sin would be condemned in the flesh. Now, if you can't agree with that, then we have nothing further to discuss about it. Blessings in the Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
                                Ken, so your not going to answer question either are you, as I thought.

                                PS: Then why are you hopscotching from one thread to the next wanting to argue?

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