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  • Peach
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    Elijah: Why wont these people admit to the truth? Because 1 Peter 2:24 tells us plainly that Christ bear our own sins in his own body on the cross.

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  • Eliyah
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    Ken, all you do is try to weasel your way out of believing the scriptures, and this is WHY you and Spying both will side step or ignore the question and the scriptures.

    You can answer my question below, and let's see if you will admit to the truth of scripture as it is written.

    For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3.

    God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    So tell everyone Mr. pretending Greek professor, if Messiah did not offer up/bear our sins in His own flesh/body on the Tree as the apostle Peter said and wrote in 1 Peter 2:24, then who's sins did He condemn in His own flesh??

    This is a simple question Ken, please answer it, don't play your Pharisee games, who's sins did Messiah bear in His own flesh body on the tree?

    Or will you play: Oh I can't answer that, so I have tell my own imaginations about it, or I would have to admit to the truth, and I can't do that.

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  • ImAHebrew
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    So then you agree?

    Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
    Well Ken, I don't have a problem of understand Paul, and I'm not going to twist or wrest his words as Spying does 2 Peter 3:16 to contradict whole texts of other scriptures.
    Shalom Eliyahu, so then you agree with Paul when he says that Messiah was/is a "sin offering" in Romans 8:3? If you do, I will continue expounding. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

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  • Eliyah
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    Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, I will answer to the best of my ability, then you should also answer questions to the best of your ability.

    First to better understand Paul and the "hard to understand" things that he writes, it would behoove us to look at what he means by "and for sin." Most commentators feel this phrase means "for a sin offering," and here are a few of the translations that reflects this thinking:

    You see Eliyahu, the phrase that Paul uses, "and for sin," is used in the LXX more that 50 times in just Leviticus alone, and it means "a sin offering." Now, if you can agree with this, I will continue to expound this "hard to understand" writing of Paul, and what he means here. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Well Ken, I don't have a problem of understand Paul, and I'm not going to twist or wrest his words as Spying does 2 Peter 3:16 to contradict whole texts of other scriptures.

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  • ImAHebrew
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    I will answer to the best of my ability.

    Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
    Ken, all you do is try to weasel your way out of believing the scriptures, and this is WHY you and Spying both will side step or ignore the question and the scriptures.

    You can answer my question below, and let's see if you will admit to the truth of scripture as it is written.

    For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3.

    God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    So tell everyone Mr. pretending Greek professor, if Messiah did not offer up/bear our sins in His own flesh/body on the Tree as the apostle Peter said and wrote in [B[1 Peter 2:24[/B], then who's sins did He condemn in His own flesh??

    Do you want to answer this question asked ABOVE of Spying?
    Shalom Eliyahu, I will answer to the best of my ability, then you should also answer questions to the best of your ability.

    First to better understand Paul and the "hard to understand" things that he writes, it would behoove us to look at what he means by "and for sin." Most commentators feel this phrase means "for a sin offering," and here are a few of the translations that reflects this thinking:

    Contemporary English Version
    The Law of Moses cannot do this, because our selfish desires make the Law weak. But God set you free when he sent his own Son to be like us sinners and to be a sacrifice for our sin. God used Christ's body to condemn sin.

    New International Version
    For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

    Berean Study Bible
    For what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh,

    New American Standard Bible
    For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,

    Christian Standard Bible
    What the law could not do since it was weakened by the flesh, God did. He condemned sin in the flesh by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh as a sin offering,

    Contemporary English Version
    The Law of Moses cannot do this, because our selfish desires make the Law weak. But God set you free when he sent his own Son to be like us sinners and to be a sacrifice for our sin. God used Christ's body to condemn sin.

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    What the law could not do since it was limited by the flesh, God did. He condemned sin in the flesh by sending His own Son in flesh like ours under sin's domain, and as a sin offering,

    Weymouth New Testament
    For what was impossible to the Law--powerless as it was because it acted through frail humanity--God effected. Sending His own Son in a body like that of sinful human nature and as a sacrifice for sin, He pronounced sentence upon sin in human nature;
    You see Eliyahu, the phrase that Paul uses, "and for sin," is used in the LXX more that 50 times in just Leviticus alone, and it means "a sin offering." Now, if you can agree with this, I will continue to expound this "hard to understand" writing of Paul, and what he means here. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

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  • Peach
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    Hi everyone:

    Hi everyone: I've been on a little trip and got back today.

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  • Eliyah
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    Originally posted by guyguy View Post
    EliYah: It's simply no use; these people will not believe the scriptures, they love their own fabricated beliefs above the written texts itself.
    Old buddy, that's beginning to look evident.

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  • guyguy
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    EliYah: It's simply no use; these people will not believe the scriptures, they love their own fabricated beliefs above the written texts itself.

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  • Eliyah
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    Ken, you don't even believe the written N.T. scriptures.

    Ken, all you do is try to weasel your way out of believing the scriptures, and this is WHY you and Spying both will side step or ignore the question and the scriptures.

    You can answer my question below, and let's see if you will admit to the truth of scripture as it is written.

    For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Romans 8:3.

    God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

    So tell everyone Mr. pretending Greek professor, if Messiah did not offer up/bear our sins in His own flesh/body on the Tree as the apostle Peter said and wrote in [B[1 Peter 2:24[/B], then who's sins did He condemn in His own flesh??

    Do you want to answer this question asked ABOVE of Spying?

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  • ImAHebrew
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    Peter

    Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
    Ken,

    Like Spying does, and you simply follow him like a lemon over a cliff, to even contradict the already written texts. And please show us a verse by any apostle telling us to re-interpret their own written words?
    Shalom Eliyahu, Peter states some of the things that The Apostle Paul wrote are "hard to be understood." Does that not TEACH you that what Paul wrote needs interpretation/expounding? And that unlearned and unstable individuals misinterpreted or mis-expounded what Paul was meaning in what he wrote? You seem to think that ALL Scripture self explains itself and non of us needs to expound or explain what is written in the Scriptures. Just why did Yeshua tell the Pharisees, "But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless." I'm sure those Pharisees KNEW this Scripture:

    Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice...
    Yet, Yeshua shows it takes more than just knowing about a Scripture, it takes KNOWING what the Scripture MEANS. This seems to be something that is void in your thinking and teaching, or at least you lack the ability to expound or explain the meaning of how the Law leads you to Messiah or how Messiah takes away your sins. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

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  • Eliyah
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    Sorry, lemmings,

    Watch here: lemmings jumping off cliffs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOOs8MaR1YM

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  • Eliyah
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    Like Spying does, and you simply follow him like a lemon over a cliff.

    Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, no, you have NOT expounded to us the meaning of HOW the Law leads you to Messiah, neither have you expounded to us the explanation of HOW Messiah takes away your sin. All you do is quote Scriptures that state the Law leads us to Messiah and that Messiah takes away our sin, but not a word from you on HOW the Law leads you to Messiah or HOW Messiah takes away your sin.

    When Yeshua EXPOUNDED to His Disciples concerning the Scriptures about Him, and where it was WRITTEN by Moses that He would suffer, die, be buried, and then raised on the THIRD day, it was MORE than just Yeshua quoting OT Scriptures, it was Him explaining or EXPOUNDING to them what was HIDDEN or VEILED within those Scriptures, and this is what YOU cannot do. Why? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Ken,

    Like Spying does, and you simply follow him like a lemon over a cliff, to even contradict the already written texts. And please show us a verse by any apostle telling us to re-interpret their own written words?

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  • ImAHebrew
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    Sorry, but many have used Scriptures inaccurately.

    Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
    Ken, the scriptures says what it means, and means what it says.

    I have already shown and told you, and you wont believe it and have nothing of it, and you forking in your own ideas for Spying, which led to the confusion of Spying asking me: Why do you attribute to me the things of my Brother?
    Shalom Eliyahu, no, you have NOT expounded to us the meaning of HOW the Law leads you to Messiah, neither have you expounded to us the explanation of HOW Messiah takes away your sin. All you do is quote Scriptures that state the Law leads us to Messiah and that Messiah takes away our sin, but not a word from you on HOW the Law leads you to Messiah or HOW Messiah takes away your sin.

    When Yeshua EXPOUNDED to His Disciples concerning the Scriptures about Him, and where it was WRITTEN by Moses that He would suffer, die, be buried, and then raised on the THIRD day, it was MORE than just Yeshua quoting OT Scriptures, it was Him explaining or EXPOUNDING to them what was HIDDEN or VEILED within those Scriptures, and this is what YOU cannot do. Why? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

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  • Eliyah
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    Making the Word Of Yah of no effect.

    Spying places his own written oral traditions, as he calls it, above the very written scriptures itself like the Pharisees of old did Mark 7:9-13, and making the word of Yah of no effect through his own traditions.

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  • Eliyah
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    Originally posted by guyguy View Post
    EliYah: I have no problem understanding the scriptures itself; and it seems as if Spying first has to discredit the OKJV first, before he can justify his own translation.
    Guyguy,

    How many times do you expect me to translate the Greek New Testament Scriptures for you without even a hint of admission from you that the KJV translation of the Greek Scriptures was translated by folks without any real knowledge of true Christianity. In other words, EliYah, the translation which you yourself imagine is so reliable is filled with the teachings of apostate Christianity.
    Hmm, my friend you do indeed have a gift, and this is exactly as Spying did do.

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