My Brother Roger!

[Spying]

Hi Everyone,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

This morning was the first time that I physically wept over the death of my Brother, Roger. The last time that I saw my Brother alive was on the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. At that celebration, we both engaged in an argument over an issue revolving around his son who lives with me. We both became agitated and upset, and then Roger suddenly took his dedicated wife in hand and left the Assembly with her. That night Roger died in his sleep.

I realize that I have lived a rather parochial and sheltered existence being blessed to live in the United States of America. I personally have not experienced war, nor have I experienced the persecution and hatred that millions have received the world over due to the various forms of racism that endures to this day. Even so, in my limited experience, I know of no individual who did suffer more for his sin than my Brother, Roger. His physical life was completely destroyed by his sin, and what is more, the lives of a number of children were deeply impacted by his sin.

It is no small matter that the Assembly which we all loved was also divided and scattered as a result of sin. Molestation is very difficult to forgive.

When Roger and his wife requested to meet with me and my wife shortly after the molestation became known, Roger asked for our forgiveness. I informed Roger that our forgiveness was conditional upon his acceptance and performance of three conditions. Roger agreed to those conditions, but he never completed them to my satisfaction so for years the issue of forgiveness remained less than complete between the both of us.

Finally due to this commandment, I rendered to my Brother my unconditional and complete forgiveness:

Leviticus 19:17-18
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am YAHWEH.

I posted the above two verses on my bedroom door so that whenever I entered my inner sanctum, I would be reminded of them.

When my Brother died, did his death pay for his sin?

Thanking anyone in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[LucySmith]

thank you for confirming the molesting of small children at your assembly Spying

your brother ken called me a liar for daring to bring this topic up.
[ i suggest you look well into your brothers motives, and the denials because on todays standards covering a crime to children like this - jail time]

When you began your assembly with 5 families 2 of your elders were into sexual crimes
Have you wondered why?
It was because you decided to become a law keeper under Moses as per taught by Herbert Armstrong.
You sat at his feet, swallowing his concept of the gospel not knowing you were also partaking of his personal demonic hosts as well
so you opened the door = it needs to be shut, otherwise some from the next generation shall suffer the same sins of their fathers.
you opened the PANDORA;S BOX when you accepted keeping some parts of the laws of Moses rather than the law of life in the spirit the real goodnews gospel - so the door needs to be closed

i strongly suggest your recall your assembly, and begin a deliverance ministry.

i do admire your child ROVIVRUS and her courage to stand against an evil against her small body.
it takes a ;;; special person;;; to stand against the likes of your brother Ken and win in their own right.

[Eliyah]

Hi Everyone,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

This morning was the first time that I physically wept over the death of my Brother, Roger. The last time that I saw my Brother alive was on the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. At that celebration, we both engaged in an argument over an issue revolving around his son who lives with me. We both became agitated and upset, and then Roger suddenly took his dedicated wife in hand and left the Assembly with her. That night Roger died in his sleep.

I realize that I have lived a rather parochial and sheltered existence being blessed to live in the United States of America. I personally have not experienced war, nor have I experienced the persecution and hatred that millions have received the world over due to the various forms of racism that endures to this day. Even so, in my limited experience, I know of no individual who did suffer more for his sin than my Brother, Roger. His physical life was completely destroyed by his sin, and what is more, the lives of a number of children were deeply impacted by his sin.

It is no small matter that the Assembly which we all loved was also divided and scattered as a result of sin. Molestation is very difficult to forgive.

When Roger and his wife requested to meet with me and my wife shortly after the molestation became known, Roger asked for our forgiveness. I informed Roger that our forgiveness was conditional upon his acceptance and performance of three conditions. Roger agreed to those conditions, but he never completed them to my satisfaction so for years the issue of forgiveness remained less than complete between the both of us.

Finally due to this commandment, I rendered to my Brother my unconditional and complete forgiveness:

Leviticus 19:17-18
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am YAHWEH.

I posted the above two verses on my bedroom door so that whenever I entered my inner sanctum, I would be reminded of them.

When my Brother died, did his death pay for his sin?

Thanking anyone in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

Spying,

I or no one else can judge your brother, however, as Messiah said, all sins can be forgiven, except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and only Messiah will do the judging, and maybe he did repent.

[LucySmith]

the question that needs an answer is

Leviticus 19:17-18
17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am YAHWEH.

did Yahweh stand by this decree?
yes/no /maybe?
can it be proved he did not~~~~

[Eliyah]

Oh I'm sure the devil's jezebel messenger will make up some lie about Yahweh Messiah, the same as she does others on this forum.

[LucySmith]

satan will not like the plural angels to be fully revealed

the ''plural angels'' that is = who gave the law to Moses

did YAHWEH lie = yes

did YAHWEH - destroy = yes

did YAHWEH- deceive = yes

did YAHWEH forgive =no

a soul god made in the in image of a fallen soul man

YAHWEH - full of INDIGNATION= word indignation = Described as ''foaming at the mouth like a camel.''


Jesus never foamed at the mouth like a camel = If He was yahweh He must have forgotten how to do a GOOD FOAM infront of the lost

[Eliyah]

the ''plural angels'' that is = who gave the law to Moses

did YAHWEH lie = yes

did YAHWEH - destroy = yes

did YAHWEH- deceive = yes

did YAHWEH forgive =no

a soul god made in the in image of a fallen soul man

YAHWEH - full of INDIGNATION= word indignation = Described as ''foaming at the mouth like a camel.''

As I thought so, because so as her father John 8:44 so is his Jezebel Rev.2:19-21 the child of the devil 1 John 3:8.

[Eliyah]

You see folks, Lucy has to deny and try to differenciate the Deity of the O.T. scriptures from the Deity of the N.T. scriptures, which she can show no scriptural proof for this, however, they are the same Deity in BOTH testaments, because Messiah acknowledged the same Deity of YHWH in Mark 12:29-30, the same Deity that Moses acknowledged Deut.6:4.

This makes Lucy out to be a liar.

[LucySmith]

to forgive correctly takes divine intervention Spying

so the sin is TOTALLY removed from the memory

it is not reading 2 verses AND TRYING TO FORGET the offense but TO HAVE THE memory erased forever from the mind
that is real life forgiveness

when sin is removed by the Holy spirit, the memory of that sin is also removed

as for your brother Roger
how can he judged with true justice when he was battling a mighty demon of lusts a zillion times stronger in will than his own
he was unable to defeat this ugly sin because he did not know HOW

why didnt he know how?
you need to look at your beliefs dear man.

the demon of lusts is a mighty powerful apostle of satans = your dear brother had no chance in his febble belief as this spirit of lusts over -rode his own personal will of.... '' i dont want to do this but i cannot stop''

[Eliyah]

so the sin is TOTALLY removed from the memory

it is not reading 2 verses AND TRYING TO FORGET the offense but TO HAVE THE memory erased forever from the mind
that is real life forgiveness

when sin is removed by the Holy spirit, the memory that sin is also removed

Really Lucy?

Or will the Holy Spirit remind one to not sin anymore? But you simply ignore the scriptures that tell you what sin really is 1John 3:4.

[Eliyah]

Lucy, your like the person that James wrote about below.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he/she is like unto a man/woman beholding his/her natural face in a glass(a mirror):

For he/she beholdeth himself/herself, and goeth his/her way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man/woman he/she was.

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he/she being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man/woman shall be blessed in his/her deed. James 1:22-25.

Lucy, you look in the mirror/glass/word or law/ you see the dirt/sin on your face or in you, and instead of you doing away with the dirt/sin, you do away or destroy the mirror glass/law or word so it don't remind you of the dirt/or sin on your face or in you.

Dumb.

[LucySmith]

the law of Moses to the jew only - cannot defeat the devil

so in true reality Spying is
you have said the words I FORGIVE but the memories remain of a shattered family and small children robbed of their innocence and brother Ken drinking his daily denial juices and calling everyone a liar but himself
so much for your ''weeping'' and saying ''i forgive''

oh boy you got a long way to go laddy~~~~~ sheez

[Eliyah]

Lucy, your like the person that James wrote about below.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he/she is like unto a man/woman beholding his/her natural face in a glass(a mirror):

For he/she beholdeth himself/herself, and goeth his/her way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man/woman he/she was.

But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he/she being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man/woman shall be blessed in his/her deed. James 1:22-25.

Lucy, you look in the mirror/glass/word or law/ you see the dirt/sin on your face or in you, and instead of you doing away with the dirt/sin, you do away or destroy the mirror glass/law or word so it don't remind you of the dirt/or sin on your face or in you.

Dumb.

Lucy, if he asked Spying and Messiah for forgiveness, then he is forgiven, and you trying bring up people's old forgiven sins is doing as the devil does.

[LucySmith]

if you had believed in the real gospel Spying and spoke of it correctly to others

the power of the holy Spirit would have anointed [ as a verb of divine intervention] you and your assembly so that satan would have been OVERCOME.
infact that is what it is all about really.
OUR TESTIMONY TO OVERCOME satan is a MUST,
you dont go any place divine without this testimony written in your '''page of Life'''.

however
this was not the case and destruction of your brother Roger and all those families is now complete.
the virus of ''''lust''''' still remains within and as yet to manifest in some.

a sad day when you take the wrong fork in the ROAD OF TRUE REDEMPTION
you have my total sympathy you really do.

[Eliyah]

the power of the holy Spirit would have anointed [ as a verb of divine intervention] you and your assembly so that satan would have been OVERCOME.
infact that is what it is all about really.
OUR TESTIMONY TO OVERCOME satan is a MUST,
you dont go any place divine without this testimony written in your '''page of Life'''.

however
this was not the case and destruction of your brother Roger and all those families is now complete.
the virus of ''''lust''''' still remains within and as yet to manifest in some.

a sad day when you take the wrong fork in the ROAD OF TRUE REDEMPTION
you have my total sympathy you really do.

Yea right Lucy, I guess you don't have any problems either, because you are a bastard as Hebrews 12:8 says.