Shalom AntotiYah, and Spying, and all who read. (smile)
Yah be with you!
Well... I don't "have this down". In fact I am pretty confused about it.
Everytime I "see" something "line up"... it falls apart further down.
So... I thought to "post" > "my thoughts" as I went through the chapter. This is not a "post" trying to show forth what I "know" or have been "shown". This is a "study post". Consider my 'imputs' as "notes to myself". Not me saying "its this". Okay? And I hope others will post their "notes" too!
or revelations if they have any. (smile)
I thought it best to just start at the beginning of the chapter.
Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of YAH, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
I know Yah is big on "measures". When I think of what a "measuring unit" would be spiritually, I think of "test ye the spirits", if the spirit confess that Yahshua the messiah "is come" (present tense, not "has come", not "is going to come" but "IS COME") in the flesh (ie; my flesh, your flesh etc) that spirit is
of Yah, if the spirit confesseth not that Yahshua the messiah "is come" in the flesh that spirit is not of Yah BUT > of the "antichrist".
I think of this as a "measuring" or a "standard" to "judge" by. This to me is "doing" judgment. Of course it does not mean we have any animosity or fear of anyone that does not confess this, it merely means they are an adversary to the faith at the time. The same with the "DBR" being a "measuring tool".
So... what is "measuring the temple of YAH"? And measuring the "Altar", and measuring them that worship?
What comes to my mind is possibly... measuring the "temple" is one measuring "our" heart, being Yahs temple, all of us. or Measuring the "unity"?
Measuring the "alter", I would think prayers. feel pretty sure about that. Has to be the "alter of incense" because in the next verse the "court round about" is left out, therefore it cannot be speaking of the alter of sin sacrafice. Which I beleive to be "repentance". Which is for the gentiles. "foriegner or the stranger".
Measuring "them that worship therein"... measuring the "faith" of one/all ? How much we "believe" in Him?
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
In chapter 13. >
Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
back to chapter 11 >
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
It seems to me that 42 months and 1260 days, are referring to the same time period.
That the two witnesses are given "power", and the holy city being trodden under foot, and the "mouth speaking blasphemies" are happening simultaniously.
I'm thinking the 1260 days are actually 1260 years. "IF", what i'm thinking is correct.
The "ice" manifestation of the "Two witnesses" would be the publishing of the scriptures. both old and new test.'s approx. 1611. We are now at 2001 minus 1611, and the puts us 390 years into it. And gives 870 years to go. This would put us right before we enter into the "7000th." year, which is the "7th. day", when Yah rests from His work. And "unless that time be cut short.....".
The "water" manifestation of the two witnesses, I "think" to be; The Word and "Us" the bride. Or the Word in the bride rather. I say the "Word" because >>
Zechariah 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
:4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the WORD of YAH unto Zerubbabel ( # 2216 "sown in babylon"), saying >>>
Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith YAH of hosts.
Now... This "Word" is "sown in babylon" or "confusion". What word is that?
NOT BY MIGHT, NOR BY POWER, BUT BY MY SPIRIT SAITH YAH.
"Zerubbabel" was also the "leader" of the FIRST group of returning exiles from Babylon.
I say "we" as the bride, and our portion being to "declare the works of Yah"....
Is also one of the "witnesses". I say this because; >
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saithYAH, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no EL formed, neither shall there be after me.11 I, even I, am YAH; and beside me there is no saviour.
:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith YAH, that >>>
>> I am GOD. (Power/Ruler/Judge)
:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God (Power, Ruler, Judge) beside me? yea, there is no God;(power/ruler/judge) I know not any.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 2:32 This YAHshua (salvation) hath Yah raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom YAH hath given to them that obey him.
(the word "obey" is also "believe" or cause one to believe/ persuade # G3982)
Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Not sure about the above, except maybe "fire" is the word from their mouth, which in turn causes them to be "purged" with fire (thus Yahshua saying; lest ye be baptised with water (spirit) and fire; purging) and by this they are "turned" unto repentance; (as
the alter of sin sacrifice is still there for them.) and they are "slain" or their believed authority, and they turn and give all glory to Yah??
However... EliYah actually did have fire come down from heaven by "speaking the word" and burn up 102 men. Or 51 men twice. >
2 Kings 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of YAH, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
But again, I don't think this to be physical now, but spiritual.
For it seems to me that the "kingdom" truly, truly, truly does come "not come by > observation.... but by "revelation". >> "Lo' the Kingdom is within you".
I don't think it will be due to something on the "outside" of us.
cont.
Yah be with you!
Well... I don't "have this down". In fact I am pretty confused about it.
Everytime I "see" something "line up"... it falls apart further down.
So... I thought to "post" > "my thoughts" as I went through the chapter. This is not a "post" trying to show forth what I "know" or have been "shown". This is a "study post". Consider my 'imputs' as "notes to myself". Not me saying "its this". Okay? And I hope others will post their "notes" too!
or revelations if they have any. (smile)
I thought it best to just start at the beginning of the chapter.
Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of YAH, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
I know Yah is big on "measures". When I think of what a "measuring unit" would be spiritually, I think of "test ye the spirits", if the spirit confess that Yahshua the messiah "is come" (present tense, not "has come", not "is going to come" but "IS COME") in the flesh (ie; my flesh, your flesh etc) that spirit is
of Yah, if the spirit confesseth not that Yahshua the messiah "is come" in the flesh that spirit is not of Yah BUT > of the "antichrist".
I think of this as a "measuring" or a "standard" to "judge" by. This to me is "doing" judgment. Of course it does not mean we have any animosity or fear of anyone that does not confess this, it merely means they are an adversary to the faith at the time. The same with the "DBR" being a "measuring tool".
So... what is "measuring the temple of YAH"? And measuring the "Altar", and measuring them that worship?
What comes to my mind is possibly... measuring the "temple" is one measuring "our" heart, being Yahs temple, all of us. or Measuring the "unity"?
Measuring the "alter", I would think prayers. feel pretty sure about that. Has to be the "alter of incense" because in the next verse the "court round about" is left out, therefore it cannot be speaking of the alter of sin sacrafice. Which I beleive to be "repentance". Which is for the gentiles. "foriegner or the stranger".
Measuring "them that worship therein"... measuring the "faith" of one/all ? How much we "believe" in Him?
Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
In chapter 13. >
Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
back to chapter 11 >
Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
It seems to me that 42 months and 1260 days, are referring to the same time period.
That the two witnesses are given "power", and the holy city being trodden under foot, and the "mouth speaking blasphemies" are happening simultaniously.
I'm thinking the 1260 days are actually 1260 years. "IF", what i'm thinking is correct.
The "ice" manifestation of the "Two witnesses" would be the publishing of the scriptures. both old and new test.'s approx. 1611. We are now at 2001 minus 1611, and the puts us 390 years into it. And gives 870 years to go. This would put us right before we enter into the "7000th." year, which is the "7th. day", when Yah rests from His work. And "unless that time be cut short.....".
The "water" manifestation of the two witnesses, I "think" to be; The Word and "Us" the bride. Or the Word in the bride rather. I say the "Word" because >>
Zechariah 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
:4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the WORD of YAH unto Zerubbabel ( # 2216 "sown in babylon"), saying >>>
Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith YAH of hosts.
Now... This "Word" is "sown in babylon" or "confusion". What word is that?
NOT BY MIGHT, NOR BY POWER, BUT BY MY SPIRIT SAITH YAH.
"Zerubbabel" was also the "leader" of the FIRST group of returning exiles from Babylon.
I say "we" as the bride, and our portion being to "declare the works of Yah"....
Is also one of the "witnesses". I say this because; >
Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saithYAH, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no EL formed, neither shall there be after me.11 I, even I, am YAH; and beside me there is no saviour.
:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith YAH, that >>>
>> I am GOD. (Power/Ruler/Judge)
:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God (Power, Ruler, Judge) beside me? yea, there is no God;(power/ruler/judge) I know not any.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 2:32 This YAHshua (salvation) hath Yah raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom YAH hath given to them that obey him.
(the word "obey" is also "believe" or cause one to believe/ persuade # G3982)
Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Not sure about the above, except maybe "fire" is the word from their mouth, which in turn causes them to be "purged" with fire (thus Yahshua saying; lest ye be baptised with water (spirit) and fire; purging) and by this they are "turned" unto repentance; (as
the alter of sin sacrifice is still there for them.) and they are "slain" or their believed authority, and they turn and give all glory to Yah??
However... EliYah actually did have fire come down from heaven by "speaking the word" and burn up 102 men. Or 51 men twice. >
2 Kings 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of YAH, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
But again, I don't think this to be physical now, but spiritual.
For it seems to me that the "kingdom" truly, truly, truly does come "not come by > observation.... but by "revelation". >> "Lo' the Kingdom is within you".
I don't think it will be due to something on the "outside" of us.
cont.
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