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    IT is very interesting to try and understand why there is DIVISIONS within Christianity and why these divisions causes great disunity and strife and disharmony in all directions
    as I write this I am reminded for that story how ancient man decided to build a tower up to heaven and the god came down and scattered the languages so none could understand each others.

    Genesis 11 we read the account of the tower of Babel, where the people, attempting to build a tower that reaches to heaven, have their language confused and are scattered across the whole face of the earth by God.
    The Lord said,
    “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
    Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
    now we have 30000+ Christian beliefs, from one book.
    HOW STRANGE A THING TO CONSIDER.

    if we all read ''gone with the wind'' as a book, I dont feel we would get 30000 different views that would WAR AND HATE each other opinions of -Mrs Margaret Mitchells renderings of her story.

    it seems to me the real object here, for a smart person to understand is revelation I shall now give out.............If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them


    IF 30000 churches WERE UNIFIED AND IN HARMONY NOTHING WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM.

    THEREFORE a spirit of disunity must be always present so the impossible is never possible,

  • #2
    Your worst of all Lucy.

    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
    IT is very interesting to try and understand why there is DIVISIONS within Christianity and why these divisions causes great disunity and strife and disharmony in all directions
    as I write this I am reminded for that story how ancient man decided to build a tower up to heaven and the god came down and scattered the languages so none could understand each others.



    now we have 30000+ Christian beliefs, from one book.
    HOW STRANGE A THING TO CONSIDER.

    if we all read ''gone with the wind'' as a book, I dont feel we would get 30000 different views that would WAR AND HATE each other opinions of -Mrs Margaret Mitchells renderings of her story.

    it seems to me the real object here, for a smart person to understand is revelation I shall now give out.............If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them


    IF 30000 churches WERE UNIFIED AND IN HARMONY NOTHING WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM.

    THEREFORE a spirit of disunity must be always present so the impossible is never possible,
    And the reason this is so, is because all religionists like you insert their own ideas into scripture verses, and then require others to live by their own ideas.

    PS: Most all of the Christian churches have reunited with the Roman catholic church.

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    • #3
      the reason for the divisions is

      CONFUSION.

      the spirit of confusion rules the 30000= churches.
      therefore as one person reads the bible, and another person reads their bible and another person reads their bible = 3 different opinions can be the result
      consider
      out from 1 book thousands of opinions can manifest.
      out from thousands of these opinions, each man thinks his opinion is correct
      hence strife and war results.
      NOT LOVE AND JOY AND PEACE in the holy spirit.

      so let us be wise here
      if this is the result it PROVES BEYOND a DOUBT, the HOLY SPIRIT did not really author ALL of the bible
      for if HE DID - the FRUITS from its readers WOULD BE - love joy and peace with the divine ability to do the impossible

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
        CONFUSION.

        the spirit of confusion rules the 30000= churches.
        therefore as one person reads the bible, and another person reads their bible and another person reads their bible = 3 different opinions can be the result
        consider
        out from 1 book thousands of opinions can manifest.
        out from thousands of these opinions, each man thinks his opinion is correct
        hence strife and war results.
        NOT LOVE AND JOY AND PEACE in the holy spirit.

        so let us be wise here
        if this is the result it PROVES BEYOND a DOUBT, the HOLY SPIRIT did not really author ALL of the bible
        for if HE DID - the FRUITS from its readers WOULD BE - love joy and peace with the divine ability to do the impossible
        Lucy,

        It proves the Holy Spirit is not in them, because religionists like you reject the straight word of truth inspired by the Holy Spirit, and He does not change as Messiah does not change either.

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        • #5
          Lucy,

          It proves the Holy Spirit is not in them, because religionists like you reject the straight word of truth inspired by the Holy Spirit, and He does not change as Messiah does not change either.

          Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. Hebrews 13:8-9.

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          • #6
            one of the 1st things Yeshua trained me to see was

            fruit bearing
            ''LUCY HE SAID
            DONT LOOK AT THEIR LIPS.
            LOOK AT THEIR LIVES IN SPIRIT SOUL AND BODY - AS THEIR daily LIFE record IS THEIR TESIMONY~~~~
            not what they tell you''

            so I do the same with the whole bible as I was NOT AN EYE WITNESS to its reporting.
            I cannot verify its truth as a personal eye witness.
            however
            YESHUA HAD 12 eye witnesses to all his ministry,

            We have none today to validate the whole bible as a divine witness to all truth
            We only have a mind controlled church with traditions that say '' don't dare question us nor the bible''

            the testimony and fruit of the whole bible, BRINGS OUT in its readers
            - strife,
            - destruction,-
            - disunity,
            - war,
            - murder,
            - torture
            to those who disagree with each other


            the only conclusion TO THE FRUIT OF BIBLE READING IS - confusion, producing a belief of confused messages and ABBA THE FATHER IS JESUS IS NOT CONFUSED.
            therefore as it was written by man - confusion reigned NOT THE SPIRIT OF UNITY over all

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            • #7
              Consider this please

              The scriptures condemn themselves on the whole as they have failed to reproduce anyone like the saviour and have only caused a FORM of Godliness to appear for 2000years. These scriptures have reproduced racism and all manner of wars and intolerance and division.
              That is the real history to the whole bible.
              So the problem seems to be that a spirit of strife has been rewritten into many bible verses causing total disunity and a total lack of love joy and peace
              Confusion rules making the scriptures devoid of miracles and divine life.

              The fruits of bible reading reproduces contention hatred and all manner of evil towards the human family of God our creator.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                The scriptures condemn themselves on the whole as they have failed to reproduce anyone like the saviour and have only caused a FORM of Godliness to appear for 2000years. These scriptures have reproduced racism and all manner of wars and intolerance and division.
                That is the real history to the whole bible.
                So the problem seems to be that a spirit of strife has been rewritten into many bible verses causing total disunity and a total lack of love joy and peace
                Confusion rules making the scriptures devoid of miracles and divine life.

                The fruits of bible reading reproduces contention hatred and all manner of evil towards the human family of God our creator.
                The problem is people Lucy, and not the scriptures itself, and your demon is always finding new lies for you to condemn the scriptures, because the scriptures reproves you and it.

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                • #9
                  Lucy,

                  What does Messiah say?

                  Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

                  The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                  Luke 12:51-53.

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                  • #10
                    30000+ divisions of religion= all claiming to be the true church and have this truth

                    yet
                    they all read from the same bible.

                    so there is a huge problem
                    a lack of true knowledge of the TRUTH PERSON YESHUA.


                    SO consider one thing as an example of the truth
                    MATH
                    1=1 = 2
                    it cannot be changed or altered
                    why?
                    otherwise the whole foundation is ruined and false information appears.

                    so it is not the people that is the problem it is word itself that is the problem.
                    don't blame the people BLAME THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL.
                    THE FRUIT from the written word, corrupts the people and this causes strife, and all manner of religious inspired destruction.
                    so
                    the traditional thinking is wrong and kills DIVINE LIFE.

                    THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL has been defiled/altered/copied/abused/man inspired/ agendas written in = etc = so it has become a DUAL set of instructions.
                    the SPIRIT OF STRIFE is within the pages of all dualism in the bible so all the pews are confused and despise each other claiming each division is right.

                    the pews have been given in the main WRONG information.


                    Let me NOW go back now to Gen 11
                    The people had the unity to build a city, with a tower that reached heaven
                    This seems to suggest these people had gained knowledge [ not lacked it] somehow they got some form of a new knowledge to build something into heaven
                    So what can this be?
                    I suggest they had been told HOW TO RETURN TO THEIR FORMER GLORY [ as children of the most high] and they were now united into this purpose~ to build upon this new knowledge and return BACK TO THEIR LIGHT BODY AND ALL FORMER GLORY

                    something awesome or wonderful will ONLY ever UNITE ALL PEOPLE together in union
                    - A DESPERATE NEED suddenly UNITES

                    These ancient people were going to make something IMPOSSIBLE now possible.
                    The Tower of Babel
                    …4They said, "Come, let us build for ourselves a city, and a tower whose top will reach into heaven, and let us make for ourselves a name, otherwise we will be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth."
                    5The LORD came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.
                    6The LORD said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language.
                    And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them.…
                    SO IT WAS '''' THE LORD'' who came down too stop them, caused confusion, that scattered them and stopped their unity of purpose from achieving the impossible

                    EXACTLY THE SAME SITUATION we have now WITH DISUNITY OF PURPOSE TO MAKE THE IMPOSSIBLE now possible and its has been on going throughout all generations for 2000yrs.

                    so who is ''THE LORD'' who came down to scatter?

                    Gen 11:6 - 9
                    And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
                    Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
                    the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city
                    Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
                    so it was ''the Lord'' who came in to cause disunity and disharmony~
                    who is '' THE LORD'' - what is his name.

                    Yĕhovah

                    who is this god?
                    JESUS?
                    THE FATHER OF ALL CREATION Jesus called my Father ABBA
                    another God?

                    Jesus/Yeshua - was always called THE WORD OF GOD.... all things were formed by HIM WE ARE TOLD The lamb who was slain.
                    Jesus called his father MY FATHER - ABBA

                    so who is Yehovah - remembering NO VOWELS are to be placed between YHWH
                    because none knew the right vowels to use to this name Yehovah is A MAN MADE UP NAME within man made vowel inserts.

                    so now we find YHWH is The correct ''god
                    WHO IS HE?
                    YHWH also (JHVH) is the personal name of the God in the Bible, usually translated 'LORD' or 'GOD' in ALL CAPITAL letters.
                    The Hebrew language did not originally have vowels, so the correct pronunciation of YHWH has been disputed.
                    God's Name changes from Elohim to YHWH Elohim in Genesis 2:4


                    is ELOHIM prior to Genesis chapter 2 - THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION?

                    so we have this story and when it ends in confusion the next verse says

                    Gen 11:10
                    These are the generations of Shem:
                    Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:


                    SHEM - THE PEOPLE OF SHEM were going to build a city they had gained some form of knowledge on HOW TO BUILD a tower.. to heaven--- HOW TO ASCEND BACK to their original unfallen state????
                    who is Shem?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                      yet
                      they all read from the same bible.

                      so there is a huge problem
                      a lack of true knowledge of the TRUTH PERSON YESHUA.


                      SO consider one thing as an example of the truth
                      MATH
                      1=1 = 2
                      it cannot be changed or altered
                      why?
                      otherwise the whole foundation is ruined and false information appears.

                      so it is not the people that is the problem it is word itself that is the problem.
                      don't blame the people BLAME THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL.
                      THE FRUIT from the written word, corrupts the people and this causes strife, and all manner of religious inspired destruction.
                      so
                      the traditional thinking is wrong and kills DIVINE LIFE.

                      THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL has been defiled/altered/copied/abused/man inspired/ agendas written in = etc = so it has become a DUAL set of instructions.
                      the SPIRIT OF STRIFE is within the pages of all dualism in the bible so all the pews are confused and despise each other claiming each division is right.

                      the pews have been given in the main WRONG information.


                      Let me NOW go back now to Gen 11
                      The people had the unity to build a city, with a tower that reached heaven
                      This seems to suggest these people had gained knowledge [ not lacked it] somehow they got some form of a new knowledge to build something into heaven
                      So what can this be?
                      I suggest they had been told HOW TO RETURN TO THEIR FORMER GLORY [ as children of the most high] and they were now united into this purpose~ to build upon this new knowledge and return BACK TO THEIR LIGHT BODY AND ALL FORMER GLORY
                      nothing but something awesome or wonderful will ever UNITE ALL PEOPLE together in union
                      - A DESPERATE NEED UNITES
                      these ancient people were going to make something IMPOSSIBLE now possible.


                      SO IT WAS '''' THE LORD'' who came down too stop them, caused confusion, that scattered them and stopped their unity of purpose from achieving the impossible

                      EXACTLY THE SAME SITUATION we have now WITH DISUNITY OF PURPOSE TO MAKE THE IMPOSSIBLE now possible and its has been on going throughout all generations for 2000yrs.

                      so who is ''THE LORD'' who came down to scatter?



                      so it was ''the Lord'' who came in to cause disunity and disharmony~
                      who is '' THE LORD'' - what is his name.

                      Yĕhovah

                      who is this god?
                      JESUS?
                      THE FATHER OF ALL CREATION Jesus called my Father ABBA
                      another God?

                      Jesus/Yeshua - was always called THE WORD OF GOD.... all things were formed by HIM WE ARE TOLD The lamb who was slain.
                      Jesus called his father MY FATHER - ABBA

                      so who is Yehovah - remembering NO VOWELS are to be placed between YHWH
                      because none knew the right vowels to use to this name Yehovah is A MAN MADE UP NAME within man made vowel inserts.

                      so now we find YHWH is The correct ''god
                      WHO IS HE?


                      God's Name changes from Elohim to YHWH Elohim in Genesis 2:4


                      is ELOHIM prior to Genesis chapter 2 - THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION?
                      Lucy, the word Elohim is a title, not a name.

                      They do not read from the same Bible either.

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                      • #12
                        now this is where it gets TOTALY AWESOME - the revelation

                        *totally mind boggling
                        *totally Oh God why didnt we ever see it before stuff

                        THANK YOU YESHUA amen

                        SO sit down, grab ya glasses and watch it unfold
                        thank you holy spirit.

                        WHO IS SHEM?

                        drum roll
                        Who is Shem?
                        There is an ancient tradition that equates Shem with Melchizedek, “the priest of the Most High God.” (Gen 14:18) ...
                        wow
                        wow
                        wow de doo eeeee THANK YOU HOLY SPIRIT
                        MELCHEDEZEK THE PRIEST OF IMMORTAL ENDLESS LIFE.

                        the unified people
                        in full unity who gained knowledge from SHEM aka MELCHEDEZEK
                        to understand HOW TO RETURN TO THEIR FORMER DIVINE ETERNAL LIFE.

                        but, the ''lord god YHWH'' said NO and stopped the process of RETURNING by confusing the languages to scatter them.
                        THEY were now unable to know, the ministry of MELCHEDEZEK as their tongues were all confused.


                        ofcourse ~~~ SAME AS 2000yrs of scattering by division due to bible dualism = SO THE IMPOSSIBLE ETERNAL LIFE IN ALL cannot be formed.
                        but there is hope
                        Yeshua is calling out[ for 2000yrs] a people appointed unto HIMSELF... WHO NOW BUILD A TOWER INTO HEAVEN and SHALL NOT BE SCATTERED.

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                        • #13
                          now lets see SHEM AKA MELCHEDEZEK??

                          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                          *totally mind boggling
                          *totally Oh God why didnt we ever see it before stuff

                          THANK YOU YESHUA amen

                          SO sit down, grab ya glasses and watch it unfold
                          thank you holy spirit.

                          WHO IS SHEM?

                          drum roll

                          wow
                          wow
                          wow de doo eeeee THANK YOU HOLY SPIRIT
                          MELCHEDEZEK THE PRIEST OF IMMORTAL ENDLESS LIFE.

                          the unified people
                          in full unity who gained knowledge from SHEM aka MELCHEDEZEK
                          to understand HOW TO RETURN TO THEIR FORMER DIVINE ETERNAL LIFE.

                          but, the ''lord god YHWH'' said NO and stopped the process of RETURNING by confusing the languages to scatter them.
                          THEY were now unable to know, the ministry of MELCHEDEZEK as their tongues were all confused.


                          ofcourse ~~~ SAME AS 2000yrs of scattering by division due to bible dualism = SO THE IMPOSSIBLE ETERNAL LIFE IN ALL cannot be formed.
                          but there is hope
                          Yeshua is calling out[ for 2000yrs] a people appointed unto HIMSELF... WHO NOW BUILD A TOWER INTO HEAVEN and SHALL NOT BE SCATTERED.


                          WAS still alive to meet Abraham.
                          Abraham MUST HAVE KNOWN/RECOGNISED SHEM.... as he bowed to him etc....

                          Cross References

                          Hebrews 5:6
                          And in another passage God says: "You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek."

                          Hebrews 5:10
                          and was designated by God as high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

                          Hebrews 7:1
                          This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High.
                          He met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,

                          Psalm 104:15
                          And wine which makes man's heart glad, So that he may make his face glisten with oil, And food which sustains man's heart.

                          Psalm 110:4
                          The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."
                          MEETING THE ANCESTORS
                          Shem, Noah And Abraham All Lived Together For 39 Years
                          Nahor lived twenty-nine years, and begot Terah.
                          Now Terah lived seventy years, and begot Abram, Nahor, and Haran. (Gen 11:10-26).
                          Noah was Abraham's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great-grandfather!
                          Did they know each other?
                          yes

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                            WAS still alive to meet Abraham.
                            Abraham MUST HAVE KNOWN/RECOGNISED SHEM.... as he bowed to him etc....
                            Psalm 110:4
                            The LORD has sworn and will not change His mind, "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."
                            The LORD/Yahweh hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. Psalm 110:4

                            I can't help but laugh at your hypocrisy Lucy, speak evil of Yahweh one minute, then quote His very name in a verse the next.

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                            • #15
                              meeting of the relations.

                              Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                              WAS still alive to meet Abraham.
                              Abraham MUST HAVE KNOWN/RECOGNISED SHEM.... as he bowed to him etc....



                              MEETING THE ANCESTORS
                              Shem, Noah And Abraham All Lived Together For 39 Years
                              Nahor lived twenty-nine years, and begot Terah.
                              Now Terah lived seventy years, and begot Abram, Nahor, and Haran. (Gen 11:10-26).
                              Noah was Abraham's great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great-grandfather!
                              Did they know each other?
                              yes

                              this is so awesome a revelation because we were lead to believe that the builders of the tower were THE BAD GUYS................ how amazing to be so bewitched until Yeshua steps in with the true light amen
                              thank you Saviour

                              Shem is the Son of Noah (Gen. 5:32), the progenitor of Abraham. (1 Chronicles 1:24-27.)
                              It was assumed that he held the keys to the priesthood and was the great high priest of his day where he stands next to Noah during this time when patriarchs passed on the priesthood in the family.

                              next question is
                              was SHEM righteous?
                              the cruncher ..... drum roll
                              Shem and Melchizedek are the same person:
                              The Great High Priest:
                              There can’t be two high priests presiding at the same time.
                              Shem was the great high priest of his day.
                              Abraham honoured the high priest Melchizedek [ a title name] by seeking a blessing at his hands and paying him tithes.

                              Order of Priesthood:
                              Abraham stands next to Shem in the patriarchal order of the priesthood and would surely have received the priesthood from Shem, but Hebrews Teaching says Abraham received the priesthood from Melchizedek.[ is a title not a personal name]
                              Reign over Salem:
                              Shem inherited the land of Salem and Melchizedek is the king of Salem.
                              King of Righteousness:
                              Shem reigned in righteousness (Melchizedek’s name means King of Righteousness), and the priesthood came through him.
                              Name as Title:
                              If Shem is indeed Melchizedek, the name is then used as a title, not an actual name.
                              This title would seem to fit the biblical account of the Godliness and righteousness ascribed to Shem.
                              Hebrew Tradition:
                              Shem, Noah’s Son that was still alive at the time of Abraham and that would make him the oldest man alive qualifying him as a candidate for the order of Melchizedek.

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