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  • ImAHebrew
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    Crucify AFRESH?

    Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
    Well Ken, I can tell you what this verse does NOT say, that we crucified Him the first time.

    But I can give you Yah'Shua Messiah's own words, if you will believe and accept them?

    Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

    No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
    John 10:17-18.

    because I lay down my life, No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.

    If you will believe and accept them?
    Shalom Eliyahu, what does it mean to you to crucify the Son of Elohim AFRESH? Most translations say "crucify AGAIN." So let me get this straight, YOU believe Yeshua crucified Himself the first time, and we nor anyone else had anything to do with it? But now, we can crucify Him "afresh" or "again" and this time, He is not doing it, rather those who fall away?

    Since you can explain and interpret what it DOESN'T mean, why don't you be so kind to us and explain what it does mean to "crucify the Son of Elohim AFRESH?" Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

    P.S. I don't need a 1000 irrelevant Scriptures thrown at me, just a simple, logical, explanation.

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  • Eliyah
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    Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, how do you explain Hebrews 6 then:

    Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
    Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of Elohim, and the powers of the world to come,
    Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of Elohim afresh, and put him to an open shame.

    Do you not see where those who have been “enlightened” and have “tasted” the good Word of Elohim, that IF they FALL AWAY, to where they would need to RENEW their repentance, it would place Yeshua back on the Cross ANEW, and put Him to OPEN SHAME? I know you just like the Scripture to say what it plainly says, and it looks to me that the Scripture is PLAINLY saying the falling away to where you would need to repent from a sinful life, would be CRUCIFYING Yeshua AFRESH. How do you PLAINLY read these verses. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Well Ken, I can tell you what this verse does NOT say, that we crucified Him the first time.

    But I can give you Yah'Shua Messiah's own words, if you will believe and accept them?

    Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

    No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
    John 10:17-18.

    because I lay down my life, No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.

    If you will believe and accept them?

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  • ImAHebrew
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    How do you explain Hebrews 6?

    Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
    Another Example.

    The world and its churches THINKS that christmass is scriptural, but you and I both know, that its not, and they will try to use certain scriptures for their thinking.
    Shalom Eliyahu, how do you explain Hebrews 6 then:

    Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
    Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of Elohim, and the powers of the world to come,
    Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of Elohim afresh, and put him to an open shame.

    Do you not see where those who have been “enlightened” and have “tasted” the good Word of Elohim, that IF they FALL AWAY, to where they would need to RENEW their repentance, it would place Yeshua back on the Cross ANEW, and put Him to OPEN SHAME? I know you just like the Scripture to say what it plainly says, and it looks to me that the Scripture is PLAINLY saying the falling away to where you would need to repent from a sinful life, would be CRUCIFYING Yeshua AFRESH. How do you PLAINLY read these verses. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

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  • Eliyah
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    Another Example.

    Another Example.

    The world and its churches THINKS that christmass is scriptural, but you and I both know, that its not, and they will try to use certain scriptures for their thinking.

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  • Eliyah
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    Ken,

    My pick is #6, for I as an unrepentant sinner did Slay and Crucify Yeshua.

    Just one problem Ken, such a statement is nowhere found in the scriptures.

    And I will give you an example, and maybe you will make the connection.

    Your own words and statement above is similar to Lucy's when she says and THINKS that Yah'Shua Messiah is saying in Matthew 11:28 that He is our seventh day Sabbath.

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  • Eliyah
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    Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Everyone, well it appears that no one has a view on WHO it was that crucified Yeshua. My pick is #6, for I as an unrepentant sinner did Slay and Crucify Yeshua. But that crucifying of Yeshua, that I did, has brought me to repentance from being a sinner, and I no longer, from my heart, sin deliberately. Those who KNOW this TRUTH, if they should fall away, to where they would need to RENEW their repentance, place themselves into an almost impossible position, seeing they crucify Yeshua afresh.

    Again, are there any here that have come to the knowledge of the Truth concerning how THEY, as an unrepentant sin, did crucify Yeshua, and place Him in a place where He should not have been made to stand (on the cross)? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    My pick is #6, for I as an unrepentant sinner did Slay and Crucify Yeshua.
    Just one problem Ken, such a statement is nowhere found in the scriptures.

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  • ImAHebrew
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    Any unrepentant sinners out there?

    Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Everyone, there are many views concerning the crucifixion of Yeshua. Here are some of them:

    1. The Jews crucified Him.
    2. The Romans crucified Him.
    3. Pilate crucified Him.
    4. The Father crucified Him.
    5. He crucified Himself.
    6. An unrepentant sinner.

    Are any of these views correct? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Shalom Everyone, well it appears that no one has a view on WHO it was that crucified Yeshua. My pick is #6, for I as an unrepentant sinner did Slay and Crucify Yeshua. But that crucifying of Yeshua, that I did, has brought me to repentance from being a sinner, and I no longer, from my heart, sin deliberately. Those who KNOW this TRUTH, if they should fall away, to where they would need to RENEW their repentance, place themselves into an almost impossible position, seeing they crucify Yeshua afresh.

    Again, are there any here that have come to the knowledge of the Truth concerning how THEY, as an unrepentant sin, did crucify Yeshua, and place Him in a place where He should not have been made to stand (on the cross)? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

    Leave a comment:


  • ImAHebrew
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    Crucifying Yeshua?

    Shalom Everyone, there are many views concerning the crucifixion of Yeshua. Here are some of them:

    1. The Jews crucified Him.
    2. The Romans crucified Him.
    3. Pilate crucified Him.
    4. The Father crucified Him.
    5. He crucified Himself.
    6. An unrepentant sinner.

    Are any of these views correct? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
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