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    Shalom All, most Sabbath breakers will either use the excuse of "changing" the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day, or they will delusionally tell you that Yeshua never spoke about keeping the Sabbath. In their delusion, they will read what Yeshua said about PRAYING that your FLIGHT not be on the Sabbath (that is if you are "dwelling" in Judea when you "see" the abomination of desolation - Matt 24:20 & Exo 16:29), and think that Yeshua is not speaking about keeping the Sabbath. The One True Gospel has to be preached, and THEN the end is going to come (Matt 24:14), so my advice for Sabbath breakers is to flee to the mountains, and pray that you don't have to flee ON the Sabbath, as Yeshua very clearly teaches.

    Mt 24:13 - 24:20

    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

    Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols
    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

  • #2
    IAH carnal concepts....

    Is “going to church” on a saturday necessarily the way to worship Him.

    NO

    For His body of true believers is the church.
    We are the church, the habitation of God.

    Our corporate bodies are the temple of God.
    If we say,
    “I am going to church on a sabbath saturday''
    our words betray us, for we are saying that the building is the church.

    It is a pretty simple statement, but it is very revealing, for it shows that the thinking is in error.
    If we are serious about becoming like the TRUE BELIEVERS, then we must purge out the old leaven of false concepts of worship.
    SO
    time to grow up and put off those religious nappies IAH - and your long quote is about 70ad...when the whole system was destroyed.
    the reason '' about the sabbath as you quoted'' was because all the gates would be locked [ ON FRIDAY NIGHT AT 6PM] and the escapees trapped inside unable to get out...

    time to move out from your cult IAH and into true divine life and if you are a testimony or an ''expression of sabbath keeping'' none would wish to repeat your MISTAKE.
    NO ONE.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
      Shalom All, most Sabbath breakers will either use the excuse of "changing" the Sabbath from the 7th day to the 1st day, or they will delusionally tell you that Yeshua never spoke about keeping the Sabbath. In their delusion, they will read what Yeshua said about PRAYING that your FLIGHT not be on the Sabbath (that is if you are "dwelling" in Judea when you "see" the abomination of desolation - Matt 24:20 & Exo 16:29), and think that Yeshua is not speaking about keeping the Sabbath. The One True Gospel has to be preached, and THEN the end is going to come (Matt 24:14), so my advice for Sabbath breakers is to flee to the mountains, and pray that you don't have to flee ON the Sabbath, as Yeshua very clearly teaches.

      Mt 24:13 - 24:20

      13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
      14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
      15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
      16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
      17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
      18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
      19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
      20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

      Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
      Greetings Ken,

      I do agree with you on the importance of the scriptural Sabbath day.

      However, people who are in denial, are those who THINK that they can worship The ALLMIGHTY on their own terms or dictates of their own conscience, and they THINK that YAH ALLMIGHTY and Messiah will honor or accept their own terms while both denying that YAH desires and commands us to worship Him in Spirit and in His truth as His word commands us.

      This is why the deniers will ignore even Messiah's Disciples own written word, and then fool themselves with every excuse they can THINK OF to not obey Him.

      Eliyahu C. still on the net.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
        Is “going to church” on a saturday necessarily the way to worship Him.

        NO

        For His body of true believers is the church.
        We are the church, the habitation of God.

        Our corporate bodies are the temple of God.
        If we say,
        “I am going to church on a sabbath saturday''
        our words betray us, for we are saying that the building is the church.

        It is a pretty simple statement, but it is very revealing, for it shows that the thinking is in error.
        If we are serious about becoming like the TRUE BELIEVERS, then we must purge out the old leaven of false concepts of worship.
        SO
        time to grow up and put off those religious nappies IAH - and your long quote is about 70ad...when the whole system was destroyed.
        the reason '' about the sabbath as you quoted'' was because all the gates would be locked [ ON FRIDAY NIGHT AT 6PM] and the escapees trapped inside unable to get out...

        time to move out from your cult IAH and into true divine life and if you are a testimony or an ''expression of sabbath keeping'' none would wish to repeat your MISTAKE.
        NO ONE.
        Lucy,

        The scriptural seventh day Sabbath is on Yah's own Calendar that He created Gen.1:14, and not man's calendar, and that's why I created a thread proving it.

        Now why wont you show us a written N.T. scripture that tells us to no longer observe the seventh day Sabbath, instead of your BLAA, BLAA, BLAA believe me ideas??

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        • #5
          why dont you show me the very verse yeshua commands its keeping... alas

          you cannot,Elijah for HE NOW BECOMES OUR REST.[MATH 11 v 28-29-30]

          why do you continually poke Yeshua in the eye, and call HIM a liar, because you REMAIN unanointed and blinded and man taught NOT GOD WROUGHT

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
            you cannot,Elijah for HE NOW BECOMES OUR REST.[MATH 11 v 28-29-30]

            why do you continually poke Yeshua in the eye, and call HIM a liar, because you REMAIN unanointed and blinded and man taught NOT GOD WROUGHT
            Well Lucy, Ken already gave you one, but your eyesight is so bad, that you refuse to see it.

            The seventh day Sabbath is ONE of the COMMANDMENTS dear. See Exodus 20 and Deut.5

            And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

            And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Matthew 19:16-22.

            but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

            Now Lucy, you show me a text where Messiah said: TO NOT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS NOR the seventh day Sabbath??

            you cannot,Elijah for HE NOW BECOMES OUR REST.[MATH 11 v 28-29-30]
            Also Lucy, where in MATH 11 v 28-29-30 did Messiah say: That He was our seventh day Sabbath??

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            • #7
              the truth is simple... its not a mixture of one covenant with another...

              YESHUA said, "keep My commandments"
              NOT the Ten commandments!
              Seventh-day Adventists ETC deceive themselves when they misquote these passages in a vain effort to prove YESHUA and the apostles told us to keep the 10 commandments!

              YESHUA said, "keep My commandments" NOT the Ten commandments!

              Seventh-day Adventists deceive themselves when they misquote these passages in a vain effort to prove Jesus and the apostles told us to keep the 10 commandments!

              Here are the most commonly used Sabbatarian proof texts that they misquote in order to falsely prove we must keep the 10 commandments as Christians:

              Jn 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
              Jn 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me
              1 Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments
              1 Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
              2 Jn 6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
              Rev 12:17 who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
              Rev 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
              Click to View

              Answer:

              A. The expression "keep the commandments" includes MORE than the 10 commandments:

              Mt 19:16-19 "And behold, one came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." He *said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
              B. Now we must say up front that there are times when Jesus did command men to keep the 10 commandments. But notice the following about Mt 19:16-19:

              The rich man did not immediately think of the ten commandments. Surely no one would think the rich man was actually thinking Jesus was giving him a option in keeping only 5 of the ten commandments! If the young man had the 10 commandments in mind that means what he really asked was: "which of the ten commandments" must I keep? Such a question is simply preposterous and proves the rich young ruler COULD not have had the 10 commandments in mind when Jesus told him, "Keep the commandments".
              When Jesus did quote several of the 10 commandments, HE ALSO quoted the greatest commandment of all, that was not even in the 10 commandments. This proves that "keep the commandments" includes MORE than just the 10 commandments. This is precisely the truth and refutes all Sabbath keepers!
              C. The commandments of Jesus are often DISTINCT from the ten commandments!

              Jn 15:10-12 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love. "These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full. "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.
              1 Cor 14:37 "If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment." Specifically in the context, the prophet's wives were forbidden to ask questions in the assembly. This was called the Lord's commandment, clearly not one of the 10 commandments!
              Mt 28:20 "teaching them to observe all that I commanded you". This certainly would include baptism and the Lord's supper!
              John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. This commandment was not part of the 10 commandments! 2 John 5 says, "And now I ask you, lady, not as writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another." 1 John 1:1 proves that the beginning was not the garden of Eden, but the words of Jesus in 33 AD. Notice that when Jesus introduced this commandment in 33 A.D. it was new. But John in about 95 AD said it was not new, since Jesus was the originator. When Adventists try to say "love one another" was a summary of part of the ten commandments, the contradict Jesus who said it was NEW!
              2 Pet 3:2 "that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles"
              Jesus said the greatest commandment was not part of the 10! Mt 22:36-40 (Too bad for Sabbatarians: Great place for Jesus to quote the Sabbath law!)
              Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
              D. Jesus did not say, "keep the 10 commandments"

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              • #8
                And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

                And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Matthew 19:16-22.

                but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

                Only those who keep the commandments will enter into eternal life, and so says Yeshua Himself on the matter.

                Lucy is a liar, she admits to breaking the commandments, therefore she does not have eternal life.

                This same is stated in the book of Revelation too.

                Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev.22:14.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                  YESHUA said, "keep My commandments"
                  NOT the Ten commandments!
                  Seventh-day Adventists ETC deceive themselves when they misquote these passages in a vain effort to prove YESHUA and the apostles told us to keep the 10 commandments!

                  YESHUA said, "keep My commandments" NOT the Ten commandments!

                  Seventh-day Adventists deceive themselves when they misquote these passages in a vain effort to prove Jesus and the apostles told us to keep the 10 commandments!

                  Here are the most commonly used Sabbatarian proof texts that they misquote in order to falsely prove we must keep the 10 commandments as Christians:

                  Jn 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
                  Jn 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me
                  1 Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments
                  1 Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
                  2 Jn 6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
                  Rev 12:17 who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
                  Rev 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
                  Click to View

                  Answer:

                  A. The expression "keep the commandments" includes MORE than the 10 commandments:

                  Mt 19:16-19 "And behold, one came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." He *said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
                  B. Now we must say up front that there are times when Jesus did command men to keep the 10 commandments. But notice the following about Mt 19:16-19:

                  The rich man did not immediately think of the ten commandments. Surely no one would think the rich man was actually thinking Jesus was giving him a option in keeping only 5 of the ten commandments! If the young man had the 10 commandments in mind that means what he really asked was: "which of the ten commandments" must I keep? Such a question is simply preposterous and proves the rich young ruler COULD not have had the 10 commandments in mind when Jesus told him, "Keep the commandments".
                  When Jesus did quote several of the 10 commandments, HE ALSO quoted the greatest commandment of all, that was not even in the 10 commandments. This proves that "keep the commandments" includes MORE than just the 10 commandments. This is precisely the truth and refutes all Sabbath keepers!
                  C. The commandments of Jesus are often DISTINCT from the ten commandments!

                  Jn 15:10-12 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love. "These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may be in you, and that your joy may be made full. "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you.
                  1 Cor 14:37 "If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment." Specifically in the context, the prophet's wives were forbidden to ask questions in the assembly. This was called the Lord's commandment, clearly not one of the 10 commandments!
                  Mt 28:20 "teaching them to observe all that I commanded you". This certainly would include baptism and the Lord's supper!
                  John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. This commandment was not part of the 10 commandments! 2 John 5 says, "And now I ask you, lady, not as writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another." 1 John 1:1 proves that the beginning was not the garden of Eden, but the words of Jesus in 33 AD. Notice that when Jesus introduced this commandment in 33 A.D. it was new. But John in about 95 AD said it was not new, since Jesus was the originator. When Adventists try to say "love one another" was a summary of part of the ten commandments, the contradict Jesus who said it was NEW!
                  2 Pet 3:2 "that you should remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles"
                  Jesus said the greatest commandment was not part of the 10! Mt 22:36-40 (Too bad for Sabbatarians: Great place for Jesus to quote the Sabbath law!)
                  Matthew 22:36-40 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" And He said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the great and foremost commandment. "The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."
                  D. Jesus did not say, "keep the 10 commandments"

                  Another lie and half truth from you Lucy, it is clear that Messiah is speaking of the 10 commandments.

                  He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Matthew 19:18.

                  Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

                  Again, you have been found a liar Lucy.

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                  • #10
                    no ELIJAH u bear a false witness towards me.... as always....

                    i always keep the NC commands...
                    and understand them perfectly
                    and never mix them up, with the shadow world of the OT decrees NO man can keep;
                    never once have i failed to understand NOR DO, the New covenant decrees.... therefore i dwell in Life abundant, John 10 v 10. and you continually misrepresent the gospel and your hating Yeshua is clearly seen, along with your foul mouth.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                      i always keep the NC commands...
                      and understand them perfectly
                      and never mix them up, with the shadow world of the OT decrees NO man can keep;
                      never once have i failed to understand NOR DO, the New covenant decrees.... therefore i dwell in Life abundant, John 10 v 10. and you continually misrepresent the gospel and your hating Yeshua is clearly seen, along with your foul mouth.
                      Lucy,

                      I'm not the one bearing against you, your OWN WORDS AND TESTIMONY speaks against you, even as Messiah said:

                      For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Matt.12:37.

                      and by thy words thou shalt be condemned

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                        i always keep the NC commands...
                        and understand them perfectly
                        and never mix them up, with the shadow world of the OT decrees NO man can keep;
                        never once have i failed to understand NOR DO, the New covenant decrees.... therefore i dwell in Life abundant, John 10 v 10. and you continually misrepresent the gospel and your hating Yeshua is clearly seen, along with your foul mouth.
                        i always keep the NC commands...
                        and understand them perfectly
                        and never mix them up, with the shadow world of the OT decrees NO man can keep;
                        the OT decrees NO man can keep;
                        Really? Was Messiah NOT a man?

                        If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Jn.15:10

                        even as I have kept my Father's commandments

                        Liar again Lucy, a man can and did keep them.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                          i always keep the NC commands...
                          and understand them perfectly
                          and never mix them up, with the shadow world of the OT decrees NO man can keep;
                          never once have i failed to understand NOR DO, the New covenant decrees.... therefore i dwell in Life abundant, John 10 v 10. and you continually misrepresent the gospel and your hating Yeshua is clearly seen, along with your foul mouth.
                          Well Lucy, your denial and delusion surely shows in your own written words, and I'm not the person on this forum telling people they cannot keep the commandments as you repeatedly do.

                          Let's see:

                          Lucy can't keep thou shalt do no murder

                          Lucy can't keep thou shalt not commit adultery

                          Why? She is a habitual sinner and needs deliverance.

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                          • #14
                            Well Lucy, your denial and delusion surely shows in your own written words, and I'm not the person on this forum telling people they cannot keep the commandments of GOD as you repeatedly do.

                            Let's see:

                            Lucy can't keep thou shalt do no murder

                            Lucy can't keep thou shalt not commit adultery

                            Why? She is a habitual sinner and needs deliverance.

                            The apostle John is quite clear about the commandments of GOD.

                            By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1 John 5:2-3 .

                            when we love God, and keep his commandments.

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                            • #15
                              To those with a sound mind

                              Yeshua deliberately misses out the sabbath day command (the one He failed to keep at times Himself) and for good reason as Under the new covenant it is He Who now is our sabbath rest not a day! now that is the truth and all false witnesses will argue otherwise because they must keep the religious flesh working Elijah Spying and IAH are flesh men religiously working under Armstrongism

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