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  • some PRE-EXISTING laws....AKA .Law of Hammurabi 250-251 (Pre-existing Law of Moses)

    the story goes like this
    Did Moses copy the Law from the Code of Hammurabi?"

    Answer:
    Hammurabi was a Babylonian king who reigned from 1795 to 1750 B.C.
    He is remembered today for promoting and enforcing an organized code of laws.
    The Code of Hammurabi, discovered on a stele in 1901, is one of the best preserved and comprehensive of ancient writings of significant length ever found.
    The Hammurabian Code is divided into 12 sections and consists of 282 laws, 34 of which are unreadable.
    The Code is primarily a case-by-case formula of customary law covering administrative, civil, and criminal issues.
    The complexity of the laws and their subject matter reveal much about ancient Babylonian culture.

    About 300 years after Hammurabi, in 1440 B.C., Moses recorded the Law for the Israelites.
    Because the Mosaic Law contains some similarities to Hammurabi’s Code, some critics of the Bible believe that Moses copied from the Hammurabian Code.

    If they’re right, and Moses simply stole the law then the whole episode at Mount Sinai is false (Exodus 34), and the inspiration of Scripture is suspect.

    https://archive.org/stream/lawsofmos...krich_djvu.txt
    the list to compare


    from the law of Moses
    Exodus 21:28-30 (Law of Moses)
    28. lf an ox gores a man or woman and he dies, the ox shall be stoned, its flesh shall not be eaten; the owner of the ox is not liable.
    29. lf an ox is a habitual gorer, from previous experience, and its owner has been warned, but he did not restrain it, and it kills a man or woman, the ox shall be stoned and its owner shall be put to death.
    30. If ransom is laid upon him, he shall pay the redemption price for his life, according to whatever is laid upon him.

    now from.....
    Law of Hammurabi 250-251 (Pre-existing Law of Moses)
    250. If an ox gores a man while passing through the street and kills (him), that case has no claim.
    251. If a man's ox is a habitual gorer, and his district has informed him that it is a habitual gorer, but he did not file its horns and did not control his ox, and that ox gores a man (lit. son of a man) and kills (him), he shall pay one-half mina (= thirty shekels) of silver.

    In short, from a scholarly perspective, the author of Mosaic Law was, in certain laws, strongly influenced by the author of a pre-existing non-Israelite code.


    is there more YES!
    This is a Law in which Moses, having been inspired, draws much of its framework based upon pre-existing legal laws and concepts.
    Moses was taught the secrets and wisdom of the elite Egyptian priesthood and its philosophers: "..
    .Moses was learned in all the wisdom of Egyptians...(Acts 7:22)"
    .
    it should be no surprise that Moses included Egyptian laws in his expression of Law to the Israelites.
    Sixth Dynasty (2345–2181 BC) tomb artwork in Egypt, is thought to be the oldest documentary evidence of circumcision, the most ancient depiction being a bas-relief from the necropolis at Saqqara (c. 2400 BC) [2].

    Hence, male circumcision was considered to be a sacred undertaking by the Egyptian priesthood;
    thus Moses would clearly consider circumcision to be a part of the sacred Law of the Israelites; or rather, Moses would know that God had spoken to him about creating a Law and thus included the law of circumcision; a strong instrument for spirit communion such as Moses, who was culturally indoctrinated with the sacred teaching of circumcision, would be convinced that this law should be a part of the Law he was impressed to lay down.

    Hmmmm interesting stuff.

    So rather than ''AN ANGEL INSPIRED ME'' on the mountain is was a...............pre existing.......................... custom carried over to the Hebrews.....the truth of this matter is...Angels gave the earlier Law for Israel at Mount Sinai.
    It was common knowledge among the Jewish people in the 1st century that the Law of God was presented to Moses by angels — and not directly by God himself.
    Josephus, the Jewish priest/historian of the 1st century and an expert in Jewish beliefs at the time, said:
    “We have learned the noblest of our doctrines and the holiest of our laws from the ANGELS sent by God.”
    When the evangelist Stephen rebuked the Jewish authorities in Jerusalem for going against the Law, he said they were those:
    “Who have received the Law by the disposition of ANGELS, and have not kept it”
    (Acts 7:53).

    ''angels'' = are messengers and can be HUMAN.

    DO YOU THINK it seems as IF the Father of Jesus, didn't advise circumcision.....but it was a ''custom'' Moses himself imparted into this ''LAW'' given by angels [ that could have well been human agents]
    Last edited by LucySmith; 09-26-2017, 07:26 PM.

  • #2
    pre-existing Egyptian laws... used by Moses...

    claiming ''angles had give it too him''

    Moses adapted the highly ceremonial purifications performed by Egyptian priests and incorporated them into the temple of the Jews.
    In Egypt the priests wore
    * linen dresses;
    * there was a "mercy seat" in all but name,
    * which was guarded by mysterious cherubim;

    the Egyptian temple was built around the most sacred area - a Holy of Holies, as it were - and from this background coupled with the powerful inspiration of spirit communion, came the Holy Place and Holy of Holies of the Jews.

    rather than a WORD FROM THE FATHER OF JESUS - it seems we have been given a GOOD DOSE of Egyptian philosophies from unknown ''human messengers''

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    • #3
      Do you think it odd

      That the Father of Jesus would give laws similar to ancient Pagans....same as the laws of Moses are almost the same as Sharia laws of Islam.How could we know if there was collusion....could it be only observed from the fruits of CHARACTER

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      • #4
        Lucy, not even the smallest stroke of the pen!

        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
        That the Father of Jesus would give laws similar to ancient Pagans....same as the laws of Moses are almost the same as Sharia laws of Islam.How could we know if there was collusion....could it be only observed from the fruits of CHARACTER
        Oh Lucy, Oh Lucy, why continue to bash your feet against the "goads" of Elohim? Did not Yeshua say: "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one tiny letter or one stroke of a letter will pass away from the Law until all takes place, yet you say, the whole Law passed away BEFORE Heaven and Earth passed away, back in 70 ad. 70 ad was a long time ago, and Heaven and Earth still remains. Again, the Scriptures prove your teachings to be 100% inaccurate. Ken
        Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

        Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
        Abstain from meats offered to idols
        (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
        So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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        • #5
          do you understand this ancient idiom IAH?

          Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
          Oh Lucy, Oh Lucy, why continue to bash your feet against the "goads" of Elohim? Did not Yeshua say: "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one tiny letter or one stroke of a letter will pass away from the Law until all takes place, yet you say, the whole Law passed away BEFORE Heaven and Earth passed away, back in 70 ad. 70 ad was a long time ago, and Heaven and Earth still remains. Again, the Scriptures prove your teachings to be 100% inaccurate. Ken
          NO you dont IAH

          Moses taught circumcision [from a Pagan god] to the Hebrews for male children from 8days old - HIS INSTRUCTION from''god''.
          you cannot have a pagan god AKA as the FATHER OF JESUS. its a no go zone.

          next
          why not study the true meaning of ''heaven and earth shall pass away'' terminology= its not like reading a library book which you do on many occasions.

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