another ? to Elijah

[LucySmith]

i am all for the watchmen and learned men of the bible and their divine edification = 24/7
but I refuse to heed religious cracked pots

* who read the bible as a library book ie ''gone with the wind'' style
* who take it all literally not being able to rightly divided under the anointed spirit.

so

lets challenge Elijah and his version/belief..'' I keep all the commandments'' brag~~~~~

ELIJAH = do you handle snakes in your Sabbath services literally = as the NT DEMANDS it and do you swallow poison on your Sabbath. as some holy tests that you are faithful and follow the commands..

now I wait your reply
ofcourse already knowing what ye shall say.....

mark 16 v 18 =they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

Luke 10:19
See, I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy.
Nothing will harm you.

do you find some insects and walk al over them?
hmmmm

there you go Elijah I know I am making a fool of you however I realise you are ALSO MAKING A FOOL OF JESUS AND HIS GOODNEWS.... and I don't like it.

whatever is in your mind, you parade yourself as a bible student par excellence yet HAVING NO IDEA AT ALL how to divinely comprehend the truth that is hidden from those who are perishing.
Very seldom do you post the truth, because YOUR TRUTH IS NOT JESUS TRUTH.
ITS YOURS ALONE.... and all you do is play SPIRITUAL KINDERGARTENS with us, thinking we are so stupid as to suck it up because all you do is quote verses without any understanding at all,

you claim '' I quote the bible that's all I do'' = really well dear sir, the devil knows the bible far better than you ever will.

[LucySmith]

Truth is meant for the blessing and upliftment of the entire human race.

not bogging them back again into religious slavery and BTW = THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT FROM JESUS LIPS TO KEEP A DAY RESERVED AS THE SABBATH.
there is the 1st unholy lie you peddle.

And the disciples came, and said unto him, “Why speakest thou unto them in parables?” He answered and said unto them, “Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given....Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.”*

so lets look at some facts

http://www.bible.ca/7-sabbath-questions.htm

a list as long a your arm of questions Questions Sabbatarians don't like to be asked!
there are 85 of them.
isn't it strange how when you mess up the gospel 85 questions can be asked as too ''why you messed up''

*Why is the weekly Sabbath commandment observance never quoted in the New Testament? = why have you added your view to scripture?
*Why is the Sabbath the only one of the ten commandments that are said to be "throughout your generations ", the usual phrase that indicates it was a temporary ceremonial law only for the Jews?
*if the term "keep my commandments" always means the 10 commandments, then why is this a new commandment? Jn 15:10-12 + Jn 13:34.
etc etc

[LucySmith]

let us see the lie and the excuses

If the Sabbath law is still in force, then why do they not stone their own members when they break the Sabbath as the law said?

[Eliyah]

If the Sabbath law is still in force, then why do they not stone their own members when they break the Sabbath as the law said?

Well Lucy, everyone will have to appear before the judgment seat of Messiah as Paul wrote too.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Romans 14:10; See also 2 Cor.5:10.

You see Lucy, what good is it to only give lip service to Messiah and His laws? Because the GOATS will be divided on the left hand, and the true sheep on the right hand, and the goats will go into the lake of fire, and the true sheep into the kingdom.

[Eliyah]

Also Lucy,

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. Rev.19:15.

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations:

This is what Messiah is going to do to all of the PRETENDERS, and the fake it till they make it bunch.

I have to go, I have brothers and sisters here.

[LucySmith]

no no Elijah

we don't want your views and verses................. ANSWER the questions
Why is the weekly Sabbath commandment never quoted in the New Testament?
Why is there no command in the New Testament for Christians to keep the Sabbath holy?
If the Sabbath law is still in force, then why do they not stone their own members when they break the Sabbath as the law said?
If the first/old covenant was abolished according to Heb 8:13 and the Ten commandment law was that first covenant (Ex 34:27-28; 1 Kings 8:9,21; Heb 9:1-4), then why do Sabbatarians want to keep the first/old covenant?



the OT Law says they are to be stoned to death

plus
there are 85 questions, you need to address............if you knew the truth you would be more than happy to inform us of the truth not quote verses and run off with those bros and sis
you need to have a group to stones handy and a hole dug so that when the law breaker appears you are all set and prepared for murder......................... otherwise you are a law breaker.................
so what you are saying to us is this

in my religion '' I am an OT Sabbath keeper but not a stoner''.

[Eliyah]

we don't want your views and verses................. ANSWER the questions
Why is the weekly Sabbath commandment never quoted in the New Testament?
Why is there no command in the New Testament for Christians to keep the Sabbath holy?
If the Sabbath law is still in force, then why do they not stone their own members when they break the Sabbath as the law said?
If the first/old covenant was abolished according to Heb 8:13 and the Ten commandment law was that first covenant (Ex 34:27-28; 1 Kings 8:9,21; Heb 9:1-4), then why do Sabbatarians want to keep the first/old covenant?



the OT Law says they are to be stoned to death
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plus
there are 85 questions, you need to address............if you knew the truth you would be more than happy to inform us of the truth not quote verses and run off with those bros and sis
you need to have a group to stones handy and a hole dug so that when the law breaker appears you are all set and prepared for murder......................... otherwise you are a law breaker.................
so what you are saying to us is this

in my religion '' I am an OT Sabbath keeper but not a stoner''.

Ah, ah Lucy, Hebrews 8:13 does NOT say, the law is already vanished away, as you like to twist the scriptures to fit your pistol.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:13.

Where does it say, the law is already vanished away? It does not say this either, and none of it will vanish or pass away either, as Messiah Himself said....

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18.

Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Lucy, has heaven and earth passed away yet?? No it has not, and neither will one jot or tittle of the law, and so says Messiah Himself on the matter.

So much for your verse TWISTING, my dear.

[LucySmith]

NO NO ~~ we not going off on your '' i cannot answer the ?s '' tangents Elijah

Ah, ah Lucy, Hebrews 8:13 does NOT say, the law is already vanished away, as you like to twist the scriptures to fit your pistol.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:13.

Where does it say, the law is already vanished away? It does not say this either, and none of it will vanish or pass away either, as Messiah Himself said....

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18.

Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Lucy, has heaven and earth passed away yet?? No it has not, and neither will one jot or tittle of the law, and so says Messiah Himself on the matter.

So much for your verse TWISTING, my dear.

no no Elijah
I am through with your verses you tote out when cornered... we don't play this game anymore
we are going to STICK with the questions

there are 85 questions Sabbath keepers cannot answer...........
I give you THE MAJOR one.

switch your brain on to GO~~~~~
why are there NO commands from Jesus Gospel to keep the Sabbath holy.

we all KNOW you cannot answer them

we don't want your views and verses................. ANSWER the questions
Some more....
Why is the weekly Sabbath commandment never quoted in the New Testament?
Why is there no command in the New Testament for Christians to keep the Sabbath holy?
If the Sabbath law is still in force, then why do they not stone their own members when they break the Sabbath as the law said?
If the first/old covenant was abolished according to Heb 8:13 and the Ten commandment law was that first covenant (Ex 34:27-28; 1 Kings 8:9,21; Heb 9:1-4), then why do Sabbatarians want to keep the first/old covenant?

[Eliyah]

Ah, ah Lucy, Hebrews 8:13 does NOT say, the law is already vanished away, as you like to twist the scriptures to fit your pistol.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Hebrews 8:13.

Where does it say, the law is already vanished away? It does not say this either, and none of it will vanish or pass away either, as Messiah Himself said....

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18.

Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Lucy, has heaven and earth passed away yet?? No it has not, and neither will one jot or tittle of the law, and so says Messiah Himself on the matter.

So much for your verse TWISTING, my dear.
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Lucy, you need to grow up and learn to answer a question, before you CON-tinually ask someone else a question.

Lucy, only the world suffers fools like you, who claim they are converted and saved, and then turn around and disobey Messiah's own red words, and they call people like you FAKES and HYPOCRITS, as you said in your own words, faking it till you make it, but you can't fool me, and you certainly wont fool Messiah Himself.

[LucySmith]

fig. of speach

Matthew 5:18 and see where Jesus said,

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled"

Here He said that the law would not pass away until what?

Until two other things passed away.
What were they?

First, "Till heaven and earth pass;"
and,
secondly, "till all (the law) be fulfilled."

We know the law was fulfilled in Christ, and all prophecies relating to Israel fulfilled by 70 A.D.


We all realize that because of this all the law was now over.
But how could this be, when "heaven and earth" had not literally passed away, for Jesus said

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law"?

Maybe we can understand this better if we realize He was not talking about the literal heaven and earth, but something else.
Something else would have to pass away before it could be said that the law was not still in effect.
what was ''''IT'''''
In the N. T. especially, the destruction of heaven and earth refers not to the physical universe, but rather it relates to the final passing of the nation of Israel.
All would be fulfilled, every jot and tittle, when heaven and earth passed away. (Matt. 5:18).

''heaven and earth'' in the OT word meaning = the entire 24th chapter of Matthew is about - the passing away of old Israel.

you cannot read the bible like a library book Elijah~~~~~~ you have to RIGHTLY DIVIDE... also... under the holy Spirit guidance cast out the dung

can you explain Elijah how every part of the law of Moses was destroyed from the high priest down to the scrolls and not a stone was left upon a stone = TOTAL DESTRUCTION = how did they ''keep the laws of Moses'' when everything was in ruin = A MISSION IMPOSSIBLE.... but the gullible don't have ears to hear.

- consider Elijah if you had been alive in 70ad = they would have been MURDERED you.
You would be chopped to pieces lying in a pool of blood for your refusal to HONOUR the Goodnews. THE ROMAN ARMY MAKING YOU MINCE MEAT- your body only fit for the vultures....

here is the truth
the coming of Christ, and especially His death, made possible this new area of things, yet the manifestation of all this was not possible until the Temple itself and all its rituals were completely abolished.
As the writer of Hebrews said,

"The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing." (Hebrews 9:8).

In the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70, after it was no longer standing, it was manifested that the old covenant had vanished away, and the new heaven and new earth of this gospel dispensation was now in effect.

[Eliyah]

Matthew 5:18 and see where Jesus said,

Here He said that the law would not pass away until what?

Until two other things passed away.
What were they?

First, "Till heaven and earth pass;"
and,
secondly, "till all (the law) be fulfilled."

We know the law was fulfilled in Christ, and all prophecies relating to Israel fulfilled by 70 A.D.


We all realize that because of this all the law was now over.
But how could this be, when "heaven and earth" had not literally passed away, for Jesus said


Maybe we can understand this better if we realize He was not talking about the literal heaven and earth, but something else.
Something else would have to pass away before it could be said that the law was not still in effect.
what was ''''IT'''''
In the N. T. especially, the destruction of heaven and earth refers not to the physical universe, but rather it relates to the final passing of the nation of Israel.
All would be fulfilled, every jot and tittle, when heaven and earth passed away. (Matt. 5:18).

''heaven and earth'' in the OT word meaning = the entire 24th chapter of Matthew is about - the passing away of old Israel.

you cannot read the bible like a library book Elijah~~~~~~ you have to RIGHTLY DIVIDE... also... under the holy Spirit guidance cast out the dung

can you explain Elijah how every part of the law of Moses was destroyed from the high priest down to the scrolls and not a stone was left upon a stone = TOTAL DESTRUCTION = how did they ''keep the laws of Moses'' when everything was in ruin = A MISSION IMPOSSIBLE.... but the gullible don't have ears to hear.

- consider Elijah if you had been alive in 70ad = they would have been MURDERED you.
You would be chopped to pieces lying in a pool of blood for your refusal to HONOUR the Goodnews. THE ROMAN ARMY MAKING YOU MINCE MEAT- your body only fit for the vultures....

here is the truth
the coming of Christ, and especially His death, made possible this new area of things, yet the manifestation of all this was not possible until the Temple itself and all its rituals were completely abolished.
As the writer of Hebrews said,


In the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70, after it was no longer standing, it was manifested that the old covenant had vanished away, and the new heaven and new earth of this gospel dispensation was now in effect.

Lucy,

When Messiah said heaven and earth, He meant heaven and earth, if He meant Israel or the temple He would have said so, however, He meant that HEAVEN AND EARTH would have to pass away, meaning its impossible for a jot or tittle to pass from the law, and Heaven and earth does not pass away until Rev.21 is fulfilled.

Religious idiots like you Lucy will change Messiah's words and its meaning so you don't have to obey Him, like TWISTING Messiah's words to mean that He is your Sabbath rest too.

I wonder Lucy, do you let your employed workers REST on every day of the week too?

[Eliyah]

Lucy,

When Messiah said heaven and earth, He meant heaven and earth, if He meant Israel or the temple He would have said so, however, He meant that HEAVEN AND EARTH would have to pass away, meaning its impossible for a jot or tittle to pass from the law, and Heaven and earth does not pass away until Rev.21 is fulfilled.

Religious idiots like you Lucy will change Messiah's words and its meaning so you don't have to obey Him, like TWISTING Messiah's words to mean that He is your Sabbath rest too.

I wonder Lucy, do you let your employed workers REST on every day of the week too?

Messiah also said AGAIN in Luke 16:17:And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

If heaven and earth has NOT passed away, then neither is the law either, plain and simple.

[LucySmith]

how did the hebrews keep all the laws of moses Elijah after 70ad

when everything regarding rituals. scrolls and sacrifices were fully totally destroyed................... zero,.
also


THE DEPARTURE from Egypt = serious bible professors write...........................

Somehow, Moses gets word to the 3 million 1/2 dead and tired slaves??? [ without a loud speaker nor the internet] scattered around that they are to slaughter, roast with fire and, with bitter herbs, they shall slaughter before midnight, a first year male lamb which is without blemish, then put the blood of the lamb on both doorposts.
Then, starting after midnight, the 3.0 million had to bake their unleavened bread, steal all they could from the Egyptians, gather their flocks and herds then...
•make their way out from Egypt
•once gathered then go to Succoth,
•departing from Egypt (go over the border which is over 60 miles away)
•all on that selfsame day!

Exodus 12:51 And it came to pass the selfsame day, that the LORD did bring the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their armies.

so,
From looking at the map with legend scale, we can get an approximate sense of the miles covered on that selfsame day.
?? Miles to Ramesses
37 Miles, Ramesses to Succoth
20 miles, Succoth to Pi-Hahiroth (assuming Pi-Hahiroth is even out of Egypt)

So, on that selfsame day, 3,000,000 million people traveled unknown distances to Ramesses, 37 miles to Succoth and an additional 20 miles to Pi-Hahiroth.

Assume family groupings of 10 people.
Then there would be 300,000 family groupings if the total of the Children of Israel is 3 million.
Length of line: 300,000 groups * 55 feet = 16,500,000 feet = 3125 miles.
Think of that… A column of Israelite families and their flocks and herds and many cattle stretching 3125 miles (that’s three thousand, one hundred and twenty five miles – do the math – I did).

hmmm
in modern terms this was Seattle Wa. to Tampa, Fl (3015 miles).
ARRIVAL

Imagine the chaos of 3,000,000 people arriving at each of the 18 locations identified above with all their herds etc and no organization to tell them where to go, what to eat, where to take care of hygiene. This is all so ridiculous it doesn’t merit any more attention.

COMMUNICATION

The “Children of Israel” were the same in number as the American city of Chicago. Chicago is spread over 130 square miles.
Seriously… How did Moses communicate with all “the children of Israel”? Remember, all this communication transpired in less that 24 hours.

BTW Elijah i obey the |New covenant exactly as Jesus required.

[Eliyah]

when everything regarding rituals. scrolls and sacrifices were fully totally destroyed................... zero,.
also


THE DEPARTURE from Egypt = serious bible professors write...........................

Somehow, Moses gets word to the 3 million slave [ without a loud speaker nor the internet] scattered around that they are to slaughter, roast with fire and, with bitter herbs, they shall slaughter before midnight, a first year male lamb which is without blemish, then put the blood of the lamb on both doorposts.
Then, starting after midnight, the 3.0 million had to bake their unleavened bread, steal all they could from the Egyptians, gather their flocks and herds then...
•make their way out from Egypt
•once gathered then go to Succoth,
•departing from Egypt (go over the border which is over 60 miles away)
•all on that selfsame day!

so,
From looking at the map with legend scale, we can get an approximate sense of the miles covered on that selfsame day.
?? Miles to Ramesses
37 Miles, Ramesses to Succoth
20 miles, Succoth to Pi-Hahiroth (assuming Pi-Hahiroth is even out of Egypt)

So, on that selfsame day, 3,000,000 million people traveled unknown distances to Ramesses, 37 miles to Succoth and an additional 20 miles to Pi-Hahiroth.

Assume family groupings of 10 people.
Then there would be 300,000 family groupings if the total of the Children of Israel is 3 million.
Length of line: 300,000 groups * 55 feet = 16,500,000 feet = 3125 miles.
Think of that… A column of Israelite families and their flocks and herds and many cattle stretching 3125 miles (that’s three thousand, one hundred and twenty five miles – do the math – I did).

hmmm
in modern terms this was Seattle Wa. to Tampa, Fl (3015 miles).
ARRIVAL

Imagine the chaos of 3,000,000 people arriving at each of the 18 locations identified above with all their herds etc and no organization to tell them where to go, what to eat, where to take care of hygiene. This is all so ridiculous it doesn’t merit any more attention.

COMMUNICATION

The “Children of Israel” were the same in number as the American city of Chicago. Chicago is spread over 130 square miles.
Seriously… How did Moses communicate with all “the children of Israel”? Remember, all this communication transpired in less that 24 hours.

Why of course to you Lucy, none of the scriptures is any sense to you, because your not converted, and neither are you saved as you falsely claim either.

Your simply a backslider.

[Eliyah]

So tell us Lucy,

If Messiah is your Sabbath rest, I wonder Lucy, do you let your employed workers REST on every day of the week too, since your resting in Messiah every day of the week?

Please tell us.