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**LucySmith** · 09-20-2017, 06:44 PM

imperfection of the law now challenges PERFECTION of the gospel

Matthew 4:23
Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.

What did JESUS preach?
Did Jesus preach the law of Moses?

no

HE PREACHED 6 WORDS FROM THE BEGINNING OF HIS DIVINE MINISTRY THIS =....''PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM''
WHY?
why didn't He preach '' the imperfect law of Moses to be obeyed''?

John thundered to the Pharisees, the Sadducees and all of the people of his day,
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matthew 3:2).

John began to proclaim the gospel (good news), preparing the way for Christ Himself.
But, what gospel and what good news did Christ preach?

“Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel” (Mark 1:14-15).
So, we see plainly, that Jesus Christ preached the same gospel that John did.

Preaching the Gospel
It is incorrect that He confined himself to the law of Moses or that preaching the law was the thrust of His ministry or his over-all purpose.

Matthew says Jesus preached the gospel (Matt 4:23).
Jesus was anointed to preach the gospel . (Luke 4:16-21).
Jesus was the first gospel preacher (Luke 16:16 Hebrews 2:3).
What is the Gospel Jesus Preached?
Some say that the word "gospel" or ευαγγελιον euangelion in the Greek, simply means glad tidings.
For example, the angel said to the shepherds, "Behold, I bring you glad tidings of great joy" (Luke 2:10).

now lets look at the IMPERFECT LAW~~~~~GET THE TRUTH OUT AND PERUSE IT.

There is a real mystery here so few see or find out about it
The IMPERFECT LAW [ the OT writers said was perfect] ALAS it was not so because its IMPERFECTION LAY in its DYING PRIESTHOOD.....[THE REAL IMPERFECT PROBLEM was - DEATH RULED THE PRIESTHOOD]

''death was lord''.= to sum up - this is why the law was imperfect.
SO there had to be a change of PRIESTHOOD. THE CHANGE INTO IMPERISHIBLE LIFE.
[Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil]
why?

Hebrews 7:11…
If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood
—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

now you got to grasp this revelation.
if our perfection could come from keeping the Levitical Law and all its rituals - why seek another PRIEST to come?
because DEATH WAS WITHIN THE LAW AND ITS PRIESTHOOD.

DO YOU GET IT~~~~~

SO
a new PRIEST was needed, one whom death could not conquer.
JESUS THE SAVIOUR.......... who saves us from the law of death~~~~~imperfection
note well
Hebrews 7:11
implies that the old covenant lack the capacity for true perfection. *
Thus had it been absolutely perfect, we would not have a second covenant.*
Had the first covenant been absolutely perfect, there would be no need for a second covenant.*

For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

imperfection
For the law made nothing perfect,....
Or no man; neither any of the priests that offered sacrifices, nor any of the people for whom they were offered:
it could not perfectly make atonement for sin; nor make men perfectly holy or righteous; it could neither justify nor sanctify; neither bring in a perfect righteousness, nor bring men to perfect holiness, and so to eternal life and salvation:

Why not?
that is the real question to ask.
WHY NOT?

Because~~~~~
it was administered by imperfect men and an imperfect priesthood and whom ye sit under ''aka imperfection'' you become like.

[b] up to the time of John the B, DEATH AND SATAN'S destroying power RULED PLANET EARTH.
THE law of Moses and its dying priesthood was ruled by satan who held the keys of death.

Jesus, the S. A.V.I.O.U.R was needed as our NEW HIGH PRIEST aka AN UNDYING PRIEST, how now holds the keys of death not satan [ who is a defeated foe] amen~

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO NOTICE THIS 1 WORD ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~UNDYING~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

**Eliyah** · 09-20-2017, 06:57 PM

Then you must be very confused Lucy

Originally posted by LucySmith View Post

What did JESUS preach?
Did Jesus preach the law of Moses?

no

HE PREACHED 6 WORDS FROM THE BEGINNING OF HIS DIVINE MINISTRY THIS =....''PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM''
WHY?
why didn't He preach '' the imperfect law of Moses to be obeyed''?

John thundered to the Pharisees, the Sadducees and all of the people of his day,
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matthew 3:2).

John began to proclaim the gospel (good news), preparing the way for Christ Himself.
But, what gospel and what good news did Christ preach?

“Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel” (Mark 1:14-15).
So, we see plainly, that Jesus Christ preached the same gospel that John did.

Preaching the Gospel
It is incorrect that He confined himself to the law of Moses or that preaching the law was the thrust of His ministry or his over-all purpose.

Matthew says Jesus preached the gospel (Matt 4:23).
Jesus was anointed to preach the gospel . (Luke 4:16-21).
Jesus was the first gospel preacher (Luke 16:16 Hebrews 2:3).
What is the Gospel Jesus Preached?
Some say that the word "gospel" or ευαγγελιον euangelion in the Greek, simply means glad tidings.
For example, the angel said to the shepherds, "Behold, I bring you glad tidings of great joy" (Luke 2:10).

now lets look at the IMPERFECT LAW~~~~~GET THE TRUTH OUT AND PERUSE IT.

There is a real mystery here so few see or find out about it
The IMPERFECT LAW [ the OT writers said was perfect] ALAS it was not so because its IMPERFECTION LAY in its DYING PRIESTHOOD.....[THE REAL IMPERFECT PROBLEM was - DEATH RULED THE PRIESTHOOD]

''death was lord''.= to sum up - this is why the law was imperfect.
SO there had to be a change of PRIESTHOOD. THE CHANGE INTO IMPERISHIBLE LIFE.
[Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil]
why?

now you got to grasp this revelation.
if our perfection could come from keeping the Levitical Law and all its rituals - why seek another PRIEST to come?
because DEATH WAS WITHIN THE LAW AND ITS PRIESTHOOD.

DO YOU GET IT~~~~~

SO
a new PRIEST was needed, one whom death could not conquer.
JESUS THE SAVIOUR.......... who saves us from the law of death~~~~~imperfection
note well
Hebrews 7:11
implies that the old covenant lack the capacity for true perfection. *
Thus had it been absolutely perfect, we would not have a second covenant.*
Had the first covenant been absolutely perfect, there would be no need for a second covenant.*

imperfection
For the law made nothing perfect,....
Or no man; neither any of the priests that offered sacrifices, nor any of the people for whom they were offered:
it could not perfectly make atonement for sin; nor make men perfectly holy or righteous; it could neither justify nor sanctify; neither bring in a perfect righteousness, nor bring men to perfect holiness, and so to eternal life and salvation:

why not?
that is the real question to ask.
WHY NOT?

because it was administered by imperfect men and an imperfect priesthood and whom ye sit under ''aka imperfection'' you become like.
[b] up to the time of John the B, DEATH AND SATAN'S destroying power RULED PLANET EARTH. THE law of Moses and its dying priesthood was ruled by satan who held the keys of death.
Jesus, the S. A.V.I.O.U.R was needed as our NEW HIGH PRIEST aka AN UNDYING PRIEST, how now holds the keys of death not satan [ who is a defeated foe] amen

Then you must be very confused Lucy, because the gospel was not began with Messiah, but with Abraham Galatians 3:8.

**LucySmith** · 09-20-2017, 07:17 PM

DONT BE PUSHED BACK INTO IMPERFECTION by the confused religious gurus................

the law of imperfection.~~~~~don't go there its deadly.

Heb 10 v 1 -The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow,
a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves.
The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship.

did you ''see'' this truth?
is this SIMPLE to grasp?

why put yourself back under A SHADOW?
why put yourself back under A DIM PREVIEW?
why put yourself back under NOT GOOD THINGS IN THEMSELVES?.
why put yourself back under A SYSTEM THAT NEVER CAN PROVIDE PERFECT CLEANSING?

why would you wish to do this?
run back into an imperfect system of death?
the dying priesthood couldn't deliver LIFE ''ZOE'' FOREVERMORE.

THE SPIRITUAL DESTECTIVE considers the best course for their lives.....

Hebrews 7:11
Now if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (upon which basis the people received the Law), why was there still a need for another priest to appear--one in the order of Melchizedek and not in the order of Aaron?

another High Priest needed to APPEAR.
YES~~~~

Now we begin to see the truth of being really
* being born again,
* the Goodnews and
* the formation of the New creature. amen

hurrah~~~~ the real gospel. John 11 v 24 25 26 - get this revelation into your guts [ inner man] and rejoice at your true salvation.
what the blessed New high priest did
and how we can partake of this High calling into the ORDER OF IMPERISHABLE LIFE HERE ON EARTH.
Jesus came to abolish death and destroy the works of the devil amen
be warned
stay in the law of Moses and the destroyer becomes your god.~~~~

**LucySmith** · 09-20-2017, 07:56 PM

when the ''religious unanointed'' imposed their ideas upon you....

you got to ask questions~~~~~~

◾If the law was already perfect in OT, how can you improve upon something that is already perfect?

◾Which Covenant is now absolutely perfect? All the Covenants or just the New Testament Covenant?

◾So which law is perfect? Laws of Faith, Biblical Law, 10 Commandments, Old Testament Law, or New Testament Law?

◾How can a law be weak and useless and perfect at the same-time?

◾If there is a law that no man can follow, is it still perfect?

◾If I give a two-year old a rule/law he can’t follow, is there something wrong with me or the 2yrs old?

consider carefully these questions.

so last be by no means least
So how can I still call all of God’s Law and O.T.Covenant Perfect when the Bible doesn’t even do that consistently?

+ don't allow any ''christian apologists'' to bamboozle you with their ''religious jardon''
they are simple questions deserving a simple answer

**LucySmith** · 09-20-2017, 09:45 PM

is Jesus PEDDLING THE I.M.P.E.R.F.E.C.T. LAW OF MOSES....

so what is the true purpose imperfection?

The Purpose For Types And Shadows

CONSIDER THIS
*Shadows cannot perfect,
* the first covenant is a shadow of the second.

"For the law having a shadow of good things to come..."

(Heb 10:1).

Notice again,
In Matthew 5, Christ is showing what the 10 commandments foreshadowed.
Six times He says
"You have heard it said of old time", then He quotes either the ten commandments or the law of Moses.
It was all the same to Christ.

The first two "you have heard that it was said by them of old time" concerned the sixth and seventh commandments.
The last four concerned statutes and judgments.
All had already "waxed old and were ready to vanish away" (Heb 8:13).

whole law" and "the book of the law" is a mere "form of the knowledge and of the truth".
It is "a yoke...which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear" (Act 15:10).

notice this IMPERFECT LAW of '' the fathers was a YOKE we were unable to bear''.....
think wisely + very carefully about these 3 men's values and their insistence '' we must keep the law of Moses it all its imperfection''
= think well before you surrender up your new liberty in Christ.

these 3 poor deluded men remain as captives to satan....~~~~think wisely

yes we are to keep the LAW OF LIFE............... AMEN and that is not the imperfect law of Moses.... the thief the robber the destroyer ...aka..... satan

**Eliyah** · 09-20-2017, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by LucySmith View Post

The Purpose For Types And Shadows

CONSIDER THIS
*Shadows cannot perfect, a
* the first covenant is a shadow of the second.
(Heb 10:1).

Notice again,
In Matthew 5, Christ is showing what the 10 commandments foreshadowed.
Six times he says "You have heard it said of old time", then He quotes either the ten commandments or the law of Moses.
It was all the same to Christ.

The first two "you have heard that it was said by them of old time" concerned the sixth and seventh commandments.
The last four concerned statutes and judgments.
All had already "waxed old and were ready to vanish away" (Heb 8:13).

THESE 3 RELIGIOUS MEN posting their personal religious ideas on LA are doing this.

whole law" and "the book of the law" is a mere "form of the knowledge and of the truth".
It is "a yoke...which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear" (Act 15:10).

notice this IMPERFECT LAW of'' the fathers was a YOKE we were unable to bear''.....
think wisely]very carefully about these 3 men's values and their insistence '' we must keep the law of Moses it all its imperfection''= think well before you surrender up your new liberty as these poor deluded men have,.still held as captives to satan....~~~~

And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. Acts 15:1

Lucy, it was the question of whether the law of Moses saved anyone, and of course it does NOT, the main purpose of the law, is to identify what sin is, as Paul, James, and John plainly says so.

Now is that not exactly like the devil and his children, they want to teach people that the law is abolished, because it, the law, identifies their SINS.

**Eliyah** · 09-20-2017, 10:05 PM

Now Lucy, as I asked today, why are you doing the devil's bidding?

Also, please show us the text of scripture, where Messiah or any apostle wrote, that we should NOT keep the law and the commandments?

Or, are you going to play your dumb mute game again.

**LucySmith** · 09-20-2017, 10:05 PM

the 3 men love their sabbaths..aka.... lounge potatoes in their tzaddikims.... wow...

''we is just doin ' nothin' all day Saturday,
just eatin'
just drinkin'
just feastin' .

Just like old Herbert taught us boys.
yes sir
we sure is doin' the right thing and yلll are old sinner's who don't do like usens...''

oh lordy lordy....true HIPPO-CRITTERS.

SO lets us see the truth
The weekly Sabbath and all the holy days are mere forms of Christ, just as surely as animal sacrifices were mere forms, shadows and types.
Today no church Christian would sacrifice animals and expect animal blood to cover and hide their sins.
Why?
The truth is Because "Christ is our Passover".
A true believer now doesn't physically keep the feast once a year with physical bread
NO No a true believer puts sin out of their life every day AND all year

Let us get away from 'forms'.
Let us "keep the feast" not literally once a year, but daily with "the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

Let's forsake the form of a Sabbath Saturdays but do enter into His rest...Math 11 v 28 29 30 ''come unto Me, '' etc...

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into His rest, He also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.

THE REAL N.T SABBATH IS NOT A DAY but surrendering into His rest Math 11 v 28

**Eliyah** · 09-20-2017, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by LucySmith View Post

''we is just doin ' nothin' all day Saturday,
just eatin'
just drinkin'
just feastin' .

Just like old Herbert taught us boys.
yes sir
we sure is doin' the right thing and yلll are old sinner's who don't do like usens...''

oh lordy lordy....true HIPPO-CRITTERS.

SO lets us see the truth
The weekly Sabbath and all the holy days are mere forms of Christ, just as surely as animal sacrifices were mere forms, shadows and types.
Today no church Christian would sacrifice animals and expect animal blood to cover and hide their sins.
Why?
the truth is Because "Christ is our Passover".
a true believer doesnt did not physically keep the feast once a year with physical bread NO No a true believer puts sin out of their life every day all year

Let us get away from 'forms'.
Let us "keep the feast" not literally once a year, but daily with "the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

Let's forsake the form of a Sabbath Saturdays but do enter into His rest...Math 11 v 28 29 30 ''come unto Me, '' etc...

Lucy, I do not observe saturnsday as the Sabbath, and why wont you show us where Messiah says in Matt.11:28-29 that He Himself is the weekly Sabbath day, as you claim??

**Eliyah** · 09-20-2017, 10:17 PM

Now Lucy, as I asked today, why are you doing the devil's bidding?

Also, please show us the text of scripture, where Messiah or any apostle wrote, that we should NOT keep the law and the commandments?

Or, are you going to play your dumb mute game again.

Boy, she really obeys the Almighty, why sure she does, the same as the devil does, like father like daughter.

**LucySmith** · 09-20-2017, 10:20 PM

elijah i am not interested in replying to your imperfect logic...its too ugly.

Originally posted by Eliyah View Post

Lucy, I do not observe saturnsday as the Sabbath, and why wont you show us where Messiah says in Matt.11:28-29 that He Himself is the weekly Sabbath day, as you claim??

don't think I am rude but my light cannot tolerate your unholy GODLESS darkness any more.
your IMPERFECTION is showing.

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JESUS IS OUR SABBATH REST.................... a perfect solution to imperfect peoples needs.'[the Sabbath made for man]
MATH 11 V 28 29 30. and also

What does it mean that Jesus is our Sabbath rest?

Hebrews 4 speaks of Jesus as our Sabbath rest.
Verses 9-10 in particular state, "So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God's rest has also rested from His works as God did from His."

How is Jesus our Sabbath rest?

The key to understanding how Jesus is our Sabbath rest is understanding what the Sabbath means.
The Hebrew word shabat was the word "rest" in the .O.T. first used in regard to God "resting" from creation on the seventh day.
The Sabbath would later become part of the Law of Moses, referring to the Sabbath day, Saturday, upon which the Jewish people were to do no work.

In the New Testament, Jesus declared Himself "lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8).
He equated Himself with God the Father, becoming God in human form.
In addition, Jesus declared, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27).

In Hebrews 3 and 4, the author developed the concept of Jesus as our Sabbath rest,
revealing how a relationship with Christ frees humans from the works of the law and allows a person to rest in the work of Christ.

**Eliyah** · 09-20-2017, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by LucySmith View Post

don't think I am rude but my light cannot tolerate your unholy GODLESS darkness any more.
your IMPERFECTION is showing.

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JESUS IS OUR SABBATH REST.................... a perfect solution to imperfect peoples needs.'[the Sabbath made for man]
MATH 11 V 28 29 30. and also

What does it mean that Jesus is our Sabbath rest?

How is Jesus our Sabbath rest?

The key to understanding how Jesus is our Sabbath rest is understanding what the Sabbath means.
The Hebrew word shabat was the word "rest" in the .O.T. first used in regard to God "resting" from creation on the seventh day.
The Sabbath would later become part of the Law of Moses, referring to the Sabbath day, Saturday, upon which the Jewish people were to do no work.

In the New Testament, Jesus declared Himself "lord of the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:8).
He equated Himself with God the Father, becoming God in human form.
In addition, Jesus declared, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27).

In Hebrews 3 and 4, the author developed the concept of Jesus as our Sabbath rest,
revealing how a relationship with Christ frees humans from the works of the law and allows a person to rest in the work of Christ.

Oh, I know He is the Master of the Sabbath, because He is the Creator of it, and He says, the Sabbath day is His Holy day in Isaiah 58:13.

You see Lucy, Messiah does NOT say, that He is the weekly day Sabbath in Matt.11:28-30, THIS IS YOU SAYING THIS, and not Messiah.

Your nothing but a liar like your father, and you war against the scriptures as your father does too.

**LucySmith** · 09-20-2017, 10:45 PM

THE THIEF COMES TO rob.... A PERSON OF THE TRUTH

HOW~~~~ 3 MALE POSTERS ON L.A. do this in most posts.... what?
to rob us of the truth of the goodnews.
how?
IMPOSING this law of Moses with all its IMPERFECTIONS that are TO BE OBSERVED OR ELSE.
[note well - they cannot reason- the mind so perveted it has no ability to reason correctly]

so
to the real truth of Hebrews.
Hebrews indicates that the Jewish rituals were based on an obsolete covenant.
Believers he says, are under the better and greater new covenant.
This theme is sounded in many ways throughout Hebrews. amen

In chapter 8 the writer cites Jeremiah 31:31-34 to show that the Hebrew Scriptures themselves say that the old covenant would become null and void.
do you see this?

They also look forward to a time when God would make a new covenant with his people.
The writer summarizes: “By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he [God] has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear” (8:13).

Moses and Jesus

Throughout the epistle, the Hebrew believers are admonished to look to Jesus as the center of their faith.
The writer summarizes this claim by saying:
The point of what we are saying is this:
We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man (8:1).
The writer goes out of his way to show that Jesus is superior to anything offered in the old covenant.

let it be also noted how these 3 men continually DOWNGRADE JESUS/ HIS GOODNEWS/HIS NEWCREATION - IN FAVOUR OF the imperfect law of the OT.....
note well how these 3 men make the imperfect law '' a must'' to observe and to take pre-eminence over the Gospel

**Eliyah** · 09-20-2017, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by LucySmith View Post

HOW~~~~ 3 MALE POSTERS ON L.A. do this in most posts.... what?
to rob us of the truth of the goodnews.
how?
IMPOSING to law of Moses and all its IMPERFECTIONS are TO BE OBSERVED OR ELSE.
[note well - they cannot reason- the mind so perveted it has no ability to reason correctly]

so
to the real truth of Hebrews.
Hebrews indicates that the Jewish rituals were based on an obsolete covenant.
Believers he says, are under the better and greater new covenant.
This theme is sounded in many ways throughout Hebrews. amen

In chapter 8 the writer cites Jeremiah 31:31-34 to show that the Hebrew Scriptures themselves say that the old covenant would become null and void.
They also look forward to a time when God would make a new covenant with his people.
The writer summarizes: “By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he [God] has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear” (8:13).

Moses and Jesus

Throughout the epistle, the Hebrew believers are admonished to look to Jesus as the center of their faith.
The writer summarizes this claim by saying:
The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man (8:1).
The writer goes out of his way to show that Jesus is superior to anything offered in the old covenant.

let it be also noted how these 3 men continually DOWNGRADE JESUS/ HIS GOODNEWS/HIS NEWCREATION - IN FAVOUR OF the imperfect law of the OT..... note well how it must take pre-eminence over the gospel

And suppose you tell everyone Lucy, how can the Almighty write His laws in our hearts and mind, IF they have been abolished, as you and traditional Christianity teach?

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