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  • i think even the disciples MISUNDERSTOOD Jesus advent and basically remained IN

    a carnal religious style mindset, and found it hard to transition from this world's realm of vanity into the Kingdom of God mentality, successfully.

    I could be wrong as we know most of the divine holy advice was corrupted or burnt from the ancient past.
    but
    I feel the whole tenet of the NT has been totally lost, or vital information removed and so there remains only a few verses, that fully EXPLAIN HOW JESUS CAME TO SET MEN FREE from death and sins.
    What we hear today as CHURCH preaching is total rubbish but sounds good to the UNSUSPECTING perishing people.

    The loss of the truth of what Jesus came to accomplished allows death , destruction and sickness to run rampant over this world and in ''the church'' in particular.
    problem is.....
    NO ONE IS FREE AND ALMOST ALL REMAIN IN CAPTIVITY TO VANITY AND ITS VEIL OF BLINDNESS,

    HOW people live today is NOT ''a born again gospel divine life ''... but a substitute.

    Now you can quote verses to me all day long, but verses don't work, when one is lying dying.... from SIN.
    DEATH IS CAUSED BY SIN.

    and the pews die 1 every 12 mins,
    according to stats

    This whole concept and misinformation and weird beliefs is a JOKE played out on the sincere, trusting and unsuspecting people and another form of total gross deception and VILE CRUELTY.
    Last edited by LucySmith; 08-30-2017, 02:29 PM. Reason: Sin kills nothing else does SIN KILLS

  • #2
    A Master Plan

    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
    a carnal religious style mindset, and found it hard to transition from this world's realm of vanity into the Kingdom of God mentality, successfully.

    I could be wrong as we know most of the divine holy advice was corrupted or burnt from the ancient past.
    but
    I feel the whole tenet of the NT has been totally lost, or vital information removed and so there remains only a few verses, that fully EXPLAIN HOW JESUS CAME TO SET MEN FREE from death and sins.
    What we hear today as CHURCH preaching is total rubbish but sounds good to the UNSUSPECTING perishing people.

    The loss of the truth of what Jesus came to accomplished allows death , destruction and sickness to run rampant over this world and in ''the church'' in particular.
    problem is.....
    NO ONE IS FREE AND ALMOST ALL REMAIN IN CAPTIVITY TO VANITY AND ITS VEIL OF BLINDNESS,

    HOW people live today is NOT ''a born again gospel divine life ''... but a substitute.

    Now you can quote verses to me all day long, but verses don't work, when one is lying dying.... from SIN.
    DEATH IS CAUSED BY SIN.

    and the pews die 1 every 12 mins,
    according to stats

    This whole concept and misinformation and weird beliefs is a JOKE played out on the sincere, trusting and unsuspecting people and another form of total gross deception and VILE CRUELTY.
    Hi Lucy, Elohim designed a Master Plan, and it is going EXACTLY as He designed. This plan was put into effect BEFORE Adam and Eve sinned, and it was ACCORDING to His Plan that mankind become "enslaved" to sin. This enslavement is to our physical or fleshly or carnal sin. He consigned us ALL to this sin, so that He can TRAIN and TEACH us NOT to commit the Sin against the Spirit (Spiritual Sin), and as FAIR PLAY to us, He is allowing us to use OUR physical sin as a means to RECEIVE the Free Gift of Righteousness. This Gift is given to us by and through OUR sacrificing of Yeshua on the Cross (a sinner fulfills the Just requirement of the Law by Him being their Sacrifice), and it was by SIN, your sin and mine (everyone's) that caused Him to suffer so. This is a valuable lesson for those who CONFESS Yeshua as their OFFERING as it teaches the sinner to become a Saint, and to forsake their sin and live unto Righteousness, and have MERCY on Yeshua, because that is what He desires. He desires mercy and not sacrifice, and when we sin, we are being unmerciful to Him as we condemn Him to the Cross. All of this is/was necessary for Elohim to have us BECOME like Him...Holy and Perfect. It is a fool-proof plan, but it is taking 7-8 thousand years to complete, and we are nearing the beginning of the 7th Millennium. Hang in there and don't forsake the Assembling together that He requires and the REST from SIN that He demands on His Sabbath Day, The Day of Yahweh/Yeshua. Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols
    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    • #3
      Lucy,

      Ken said:
      This Gift is given to us by and through OUR sacrificing of Yeshua on the Cross
      The apostle Paul wrote:

      And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. Ephesians 5:2, and there are other texts by Paul.

      and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God

      Hebrews tells us, speaking of Messiah:

      For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. Hebrews 9:26.

      but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

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      • #4
        Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life/psyche/spirit a ransom for many. Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45.

        and to give his life/psyche/spirit a ransom for many.

        For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

        that he gave his only begotten Son,

        The devil and man takes, but the Father and Messiah gives.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
          a carnal religious style mindset, and found it hard to transition from this world's realm of vanity into the Kingdom of God mentality, successfully.

          I could be wrong as we know most of the divine holy advice was corrupted or burnt from the ancient past.
          but
          I feel the whole tenet of the NT has been totally lost, or vital information removed and so there remains only a few verses, that fully EXPLAIN HOW JESUS CAME TO SET MEN FREE from death and sins.
          What we hear today as CHURCH preaching is total rubbish but sounds good to the UNSUSPECTING perishing people.

          The loss of the truth of what Jesus came to accomplished allows death , destruction and sickness to run rampant over this world and in ''the church'' in particular.
          problem is.....
          NO ONE IS FREE AND ALMOST ALL REMAIN IN CAPTIVITY TO VANITY AND ITS VEIL OF BLINDNESS,

          HOW people live today is NOT ''a born again gospel divine life ''... but a substitute.

          Now you can quote verses to me all day long, but verses don't work, when one is lying dying.... from SIN.
          DEATH IS CAUSED BY SIN.

          and the pews die 1 every 12 mins,
          according to stats

          This whole concept and misinformation and weird beliefs is a JOKE played out on the sincere, trusting and unsuspecting people and another form of total gross deception and VILE CRUELTY.
          Lucy,

          You are correct, the Disciples were carnal up until they received Yah's Holy Spirit Acts 2.

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          • #6
            Lucy, I will make a little correction here.

            You are correct, the Disciples were carnal up until they received Yah's Holy Spirit Acts 2, and even then, it is a work for His Holy Spirit in process.

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            • #7
              yes dear Elijah

              Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
              Lucy,

              You are correct, the Disciples were carnal up until they received Yah's Holy Spirit Acts 2.

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              I trust you are feeling better today - take care of yourself and eat well. ok


              cont...
              yes, we do have the same measure of the Holy spirit, I guess this keeps us on the straight and narrow for sure.
              however there is a ELEMENT missing, I feel, as I gaze around this world and observe different lives and beliefs......the standard is so low. sigh

              I rejoice in the truth of John 2 = the wedding supper and the story...I have been over and over this study and I find new things each time.
              Mary's words about Jesus WAS HER LAST recorded message in the bible. ''DO WHATSOEVER MY SON TELLS YOU TO DO = DO IT''
              and again
              how Jesus had the jars filled TO THE BRIM.

              here this confirmed THE FULLNESS OF HIS SPIRIT AS HE WALKED IN THIS SAME FULLNESS HERE. AMEN = OUR ASCENSION TO ATTAINMENT.=HERE


              example.
              I borrowed a library book, a murder mystery infact, [long ago ] took it home and read it.
              It was very DETAILED with so many clues to the murderer and I was on the edge of my seat [ so to speak] reading to the end of this ''WHODONEIT''
              I GOT TO THE END and I found pages were missing.... and so I never knew who was the murderer and how it all ended...
              THE PAGES WERE MISSING.
              I was so annoyed, I stomped back to the library and demanded to see the Library chief and exploded my wrath all over him...ofcourse he did nothing,

              I give this story, as an example to understand HOW the divine recipe has been lost.... and even the apostles failed to explain the mystery of Christ and HIS ETERNAL LIFE.
              now
              dear IAH has used the usual theme '' oh well you know, its a plan'' etc etc and I accept this AS ONLY A PARTIAL TRUTH.

              I AM ONLY INTERESTED in THE EXAMPLE set by Jesus for born again people to live in the here and now AS HE DID AND AS HE WALKED.
              I AM not really into excuses nor perishing, BECAUSE I HATE BOTH things people generally accept as ''normal'' and the status quo.

              I have this explosive need INSIDE MY GUTS TO BE AS YESHUA IS = HERE.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
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                I trust you are feeling better today - take care of yourself and eat well. ok


                cont...
                yes, we do have the same measure of the Holy spirit, I guess this keeps us on the straight and narrow for sure.
                however there is a ELEMENT missing, I feel, as I gaze around this world and observe different lives and beliefs......the standard is so low. sigh

                I rejoice in the truth of John 2 = the wedding supper and the story...I have been over and over this study and I find new things each time.
                Mary's words about Jesus WAS HER LAST recorded message in the bible. ''DO WHATSOEVER MY SON TELLS YOU TO DO = DO IT''
                and again
                how Jesus had the jars filled TO THE BRIM.

                here this confirmed THE FULLNESS OF HIS SPIRIT AS HE WALKED IN THIS SAME FULLNESS HERE. AMEN = OUR ASCENSION TO ATTAINMENT.=HERE


                example.
                I borrowed a library book, a murder mystery infact, [long ago ] took it home and read it. It was very entailed and so many clues to the murderer and I was on the edge of my seat [ so to speak] reading to the end of this ''WHODONEIT''
                I GOT TO THE END and I found pages were missing.... and so I never knew who was the murderer and how it all ended...THE PAGES WERE MISSING.
                I was so annoyed, I stomped back to the library and demanded to see the Library chief and exploded my wrath all over him...ofcourse he did nothing,

                I give this story, as an example to understand HOW the divine recipe has been lost.... and even the apostles failed to explain the mystery of Christ and HIS ETERNAL LIFE.
                now
                dear Kenny IAH has used the usual theme '' oh well you know, its a plan'' etc etc and I accept this AS ONLY A PARTIAL TRUTH.

                I AM ONLY INTERESTED in THE EXAMPLE set by Jesus for born again people to live in the here and now AS HE DID AND AS HE WALKED.
                I AM not really into excuses nor perishing, BECAUSE I HATE BOTH things people generally accept as ''normal'' and the status quo.

                I have this explosive need INSIDE MY GUTS TO BE AS YESHUA IS = HERE.
                Yea, me too Lucy, it's men's doctrines of confusion that has deceived everyone.

                Yes, I'm feeling better today, I have had to travel most of the week, I have to drive my grandchildren to their private school, and pick them back up at the end of the day.

                And thanks.

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                • #9
                  consider THE REALM OF POWER to raise the dead....

                  ofcourse I do realise we don't get to see ''the dead'' very often.

                  perhaps we are to visit funeral homes where the DEAD PERSON is ''process'' as a body for burial.
                  [perhaps the ideal is to ''be there'' prior to this burial processing???]

                  but whatever the ideal the NT says to RAISE THE DEAD.

                  NOW I HAVE HEARD of this may happen? but not that frequently.
                  its not an every day Christian ministry and divine event that happens... so.... everyone is gasping and rejoicing at the return of their loved ones.

                  then on the other side of the coin.
                  why doesn't this happen to Christian believers and their ministry within church circles continually?
                  now I know we can make lame excuses BUT IT IS LACK OF POWER that is the WORRY.

                  I find these points interesting and also distressing at THE LACK OF POWER in believers.
                  lack of power.... needs to be addressed.

                  can we find a solution or are we too far gone as not to bother and put it in ''the too hard basket''

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                  • #10
                    cont.........solution

                    it is the '''''GLORY OF GOD'''' That is missing.
                    Yes Sir, don't give me excuses THE DIVINE POWERPACK CALLED ''THE GLORY'' has departed.
                    like Eli - [from the OT priesthood] the GLORY HAS DEPARTED FROM THE TEMPLE.

                    IN THE REALM OF THE GLORY NO SICKNESS NOR DEATH CAN SURVIVE.

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                    • #11
                      ofcourse... hurrah... revelation

                      its the GLORY that changes THE ''NATURAL LAWS'' of vanity

                      Jesus walked in THE GLORY each day.
                      He spoke and vanity was changed into kingdom.

                      wow

                      like LAZARUS RISING at the sound of His voice. ''COME FORTH''

                      THEN He said to others '' take off his grave clothes.''

                      who were ''the others'' present???

                      hmmm

                      THE OTHERS, were those also FILLED WITH HIS GLORY....because the GLORY WAS SO POWERFUL, it removed vanity and its laws from the scene.
                      amen
                      KINGDOM OVER RULED VANITY.

                      HIS PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO WALK in this same glory and to be ''the others'' who UNWRAP them [the dead] from their grave clothes.

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                      • #12
                        ''the others''

                        belong to John 17 v 22.

                        in bible numerics # 17 - victory
                        the GLORY gives us the victory to OVER RULE VANITY

                        in bible numeric # 22 - is light/# 22 is the Number of Revelation.

                        the victory from the revelation. amen
                        ''the glory which you have given to Me, I have also given to them''
                        let us now ask
                        WHERE IS HIS GLORY in His people?
                        its gone and has been GONE FOR a very very long time....the glory has departed from the temple - why?

                        see Math 10 v 8.....
                        [''oh how the mighty have fallen'']

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                        • #13
                          Glory, why wasn't it given to Adam and Eve?

                          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                          belong to John 17 v 22.

                          in bible numerics # 17 - victory
                          the GLORY gives us the victory to OVER RULE VANITY

                          in bible numeric # 22 - is light/# 22 is the Number of Revelation.

                          the victory from the revelation. amen


                          let us now ask
                          WHERE IS HIS GLORY in His people?
                          its gone and has been GONE FOR a very very long time....the glory has departed from the temple - why?

                          see Math 10 v 8.....
                          [''oh how the mighty have fallen'']
                          Hi Lucy, if all that needs to be done is for Elohim to give us the Glory that Yeshua had BEFORE the world WAS (John 17:5 & 24), why did not He just start out and give Adam and Eve that GLORY? Why hold it back? Ken
                          Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                          Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                          Abstain from meats offered to idols
                          (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                          So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                          • #14
                            perhaps it was a different god in control IAH

                            remember it goes from God to the lord god.... very quickly... you have to be sharp to notice the switch..... our eye and religious conditioning passes over the sentences rather easily.

                            The lord god planted the trees if I remember rightly...NOT GOD.... 2 very different gods exposed in the verses

                            if we use our 3 brain cells IAH
                            NO respectable loving father puts any stumbling block IN their childs way, - ie- that kills their children, only a cruel mean one would harm his own child.
                            Perhaps = a god who hated Father and His children would.



                            Perhaps you need to rethink that ''God'' ye serve and defend IAH

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                            • #15
                              The human mentality...of....

                              An eye for an eye has to cease as a human principle under which we live. All forms of human injustice with its eye for an eye system must be deleted before the GLORY can opperate...The god of this world practices an eye for eye as vanity lord...However this is not THE Fathers character Jesus displayed.
                              Divine love is the Fathers nature shown forth in His Son...and so...while we linger with the eye for an eye mind..the Glory shall be far from us all.

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