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  • I delivered flowers to a cemetery today.....

    THE gardeners were there and also a backhoe, digging a hole for the coffin.
    I wondered if my flowers were for the dead person whose hole was being prepared or for another?

    then I thought '' what a terrible thing death is''
    and again I thought
    '' I wonder who devised such a terrible plan'' when another solution could have been made.
    sometimes we see things that really are an abomination yet they appear normal to us.

    the flowers
    the backhoe
    the garden cemetery
    death

    an abominable system humans all dwell under as slaves to death
    I once visited a pastor and as he opened the front door in welcome, he said '' oh Lucy, you have just caught me looking at my diary of all the people I have buried''

    the flowers
    the back hoe
    the garden cemetery
    the Pastor
    go together.

    AS an abomination people all think as ''normal''

  • #2
    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
    THE gardeners were there and also a backhoe, digging a hole for the coffin.
    I wondered if my flowers were for the dead person whose hole was being prepared or for another?

    then I thought '' what a terrible thing death is''
    and again I thought
    '' I wonder who devised such a terrible plan'' when another solution could have been made.
    sometimes we see things that really are an abomination yet they appear normal to us.

    the flowers
    the backhoe
    the garden cemetery
    death

    an abominable system humans all dwell under as slaves to death
    I once visited a pastor and as he opened the front door in welcome, he said '' oh Lucy, you have just caught me looking at my diary of all the people I have buried''

    the flowers
    the back hoe
    the garden cemetery
    the Pastor
    go together.

    AS an abomination people all think as ''normal''
    Lucy, you forgot one, YOU Lucy, your a part of it, whether you wont admit it or not.

    the flowers
    the back hoe
    the garden cemetery
    the Pastor
    Lucy Smith

    go together.

    AS an abomination people all think as ''normal''

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    • #3
      Thinking out aloud

      ''John 3 v 16 - for God SO LOVED THE WORLD, He gave His only begotten Son, that who so ever shall believe on Him, shall not perish [die] but have everlasting life''
      I wondered if we could view this from a very different perspective....

      it was not God [Jesus Father] who ordained death to all humans in the 1st place.....
      because HE LOVED
      because HE GAVE
      because HE ALONE had the solution.

      if you love something, you don't destroy it.
      if you hate something you destroy it,

      AT NO TIME, did Jesus Father [ shown thru the gospels] introduce death to all humanity????

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      • #4
        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
        I wondered if we could view this from a very different perspective....

        it was not God [Jesus Father] who ordained death to all humans in the 1st place.....
        because HE LOVED
        because HE GAVE
        because HE ALONE had the solution.

        if you love something, you don't destroy it.
        if you hate something you destroy it,

        AT NO TIME, did Jesus Father [ shown thru the gospels] introduce death to all humanity????
        Let me guess Lucy, it was the OT God.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
          I wondered if we could view this from a very different perspective....

          it was not God [Jesus Father] who ordained death to all humans in the 1st place.....
          because HE LOVED
          because HE GAVE
          because HE ALONE had the solution.

          if you love something, you don't destroy it.
          if you hate something you destroy it,

          AT NO TIME, did Jesus Father [ shown thru the gospels] introduce death to all humanity????
          did death exist before sin?

          you would have to quick to notice a change here...
          Everything Was Originally Perfect

          God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.
          And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day. (Genesis 1:31)
          now LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE here.

          Death Is a Punishment

          And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.” (Genesis 2:16–17)
          2 WAYS God and Lord God
          1 =GOD
          2 =LORD GOD

          2 DIFFERENT ''GODS'' ARRIVE ON THE SCENE.

          ONE GOD WHO MADE PERFECTION
          ONE LORD GOD WHO CREATED IMPERFECTION WITH 2 CHOICES.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
            did death exist before sin?
            Did the devil and sin exist before death?

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            • #7
              it needs to be noticed...

              We find in the first two chapters of Genesis, two different names for God-Elohim and Yahweh.
              In Genesis chapter 1 God is exclusively referred to by the name Elohim.
              However from Genesis 2:4, to the remainder of chapter two, He is called the compound name Yahweh-Elohim.

              JESUS FATHER is noted for His compassion, Mercy, Love. [the prodigal Son is proof]
              ask
              DOES GOD father of the Gospels change characters in the OT....
              or
              have we all been hoaxed/deceive by another god called Yahweh-Elohim. THE O.T GOD of hatred destruction, and cruelty.,

              you have to decide this for yourselves.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                We find in the first two chapters of Genesis, two different names for God-Elohim and Yahweh.
                In Genesis chapter 1 God is exclusively referred to by the name Elohim.
                However from Genesis 2:4, to the remainder of chapter two, He is called the compound name Yahweh-Elohim.

                JESUS FATHER is noted for His compassion, Mercy, Love. [the prodigal Son is proof]
                ask
                DOES GOD father of the Gospels change characters in the OT....
                or
                have we all been hoaxed/deceive by another god called Yahweh-Elohim. THE O.T GOD of hatred destruction, and cruelty.,
                As I thought Lucy, maybe next, you will be teaching the devil is part of your elect.

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                • #9
                  is it possible???? is it really possible?

                  it is possible that issues about the godhead might
                  have been at least a partial reason that Jesus did not refer to his Father
                  as YHWH.

                  you really have to think on these things
                  exampled by
                  cruel laws that harm and destroy SINNERS and knowing NO man can keep them all
                  versus
                  The N.T. perfect FATHER shown in the full ministry of Yeshua

                  remember who you sit under, you become like.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                    it is possible that issues about the godhead might
                    have been at least a partial reason that Jesus did not refer to his Father
                    as YHWH.
                    Is it possible Lucy, that you do not want people to know who your father the devil is too?

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                    • #11
                      perhaps it was NOT Jesus Father who put the 2 trees in the garden of Eden

                      perhaps it was NOT Jesus father, who called people SINNERS AND DEATH RULED THEM
                      perhaps we have all been DECEIVED and never knew it TILL JESUS OPENED OUR EYES, TO THE CHARACTER OF HIS FATHER WHO NEVER CHANGES.

                      WE HAVE TO CONSIDER SOME FACTS
                      Christ is entirely unlike Yahweh in multiple ways.
                      One, he doesn't demand subservience to him except from the Judeans.
                      He tells the wealthy Judean to come follow him almost as an afterthought - and not even as a requirement.
                      His commandments listed lack the most important of Moses' commandments: against idolatry and against taking Yahweh's name in vain.
                      However, Jesus cares, but does not act out when people blaspheme him.
                      Jesus is repeatedly mocked throughout the entirety of the gospels - but not once does he lash out nor encourage any violence against those who mock him.

                      This is far different from the character of Yahweh - who kills people for trying to steady his Ark:

                      When they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen shook it. The anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah; and God struck him there because he reached out his hand to the ark; and he died there beside the ark of God. - 2 Samuel 6:6-7
                      Yahweh also orders stoning for blasphemy:
                      One who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer.
                      Aliens as well as citizens, when they blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death. - Leviticus 24:16

                      It is clear to anyone that there is a stern divide between Jesus and Yahweh.

                      But what about Jesus and Theos?

                      Here are some descriptions from Plato's Timaeus of Theos (God):
                      Let me tell you then why the creator made this world of generation.
                      He was good, and the good can never have any jealousy of anything.
                      And being free from jealousy, he desired that all things should be as like himself as they could be.
                      This is in the truest sense the origin of creation and of the world, as we shall do well in believing on the testimony of wise men:
                      God desired that all things should be good and nothing bad, so far as this was attainable. - Plato, Timeaus


                      Then God, if he be good, is not the author of all things, as the many assert, but he is the cause of a few things only, and not of most things that occur to men.
                      God perfectly simple and true both in word and deed; he changes not; he deceives not, either by sign or word, by dream or waking vision. - Plato, Republic

                      OTHERS HAVE OBVIOUSLY NOTED THE DIFFERENCE.
                      Jesus NT Father did not bring forth DEATH into this world for '' sinners.''

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                        perhaps it was NOT Jesus father, who called people SINNERS AND DEATH RULED THEM
                        perhaps we have all been DECEIVED and never knew it TILL JESUS OPENED OUR EYES, TO THE CHARACTER OF HIS FATHER WHO NEVER CHANGES.

                        WE HAVE TO CONSIDER SOME FACTS
                        Christ is entirely unlike Yahweh in multiple ways.
                        One, he doesn't demand subservience to him except from the Judeans.
                        He tells the wealthy Judean to come follow him almost as an afterthought - and not even as a requirement.
                        His commandments listed lack the most important of Moses' commandments: against idolatry and against taking Yahweh's name in vain.
                        However, Jesus cares, but does not act out when people blaspheme him.
                        Jesus is repeatedly mocked throughout the entirety of the gospels - but not once does he lash out nor encourage any violence against those who mock him.

                        This is far different from the character of Yahweh - who kills people for trying to steady his Ark:

                        When they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen shook it. The anger of the Lord was kindled against Uzzah; and God struck him there because he reached out his hand to the ark; and he died there beside the ark of God. - 2 Samuel 6:6-7
                        Yahweh also orders stoning for blasphemy:
                        One who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer.
                        Aliens as well as citizens, when they blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death. - Leviticus 24:16

                        It is clear to anyone that there is a stern divide between Jesus and Yahweh.

                        But what about Jesus and Theos?

                        Here are some descriptions from Plato's Timaeus of Theos (God):
                        Let me tell you then why the creator made this world of generation.
                        He was good, and the good can never have any jealousy of anything.
                        And being free from jealousy, he desired that all things should be as like himself as they could be.
                        This is in the truest sense the origin of creation and of the world, as we shall do well in believing on the testimony of wise men:
                        God desired that all things should be good and nothing bad, so far as this was attainable. - Plato, Timeaus


                        Then God, if he be good, is not the author of all things, as the many assert, but he is the cause of a few things only, and not of most things that occur to men.
                        God perfectly simple and true both in word and deed; he changes not; he deceives not, either by sign or word, by dream or waking vision. - Plato, Republic

                        OTHERS HAVE OBVIOUSLY NOTED THE DIFFERENCE.
                        Jesus NT Father did not bring forth DEATH into this world for '' sinners.''
                        Lucy, you say the devil is a defeated foe, and could it be you want people to think that, after all, the devil likes it when his children propagate his false ideas.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                          Lucy, you say the devil is a defeated foe, and could it be you want people to think that, after all, the devil likes it when his children propagate his false ideas.
                          I want everyone to notice how Lucy will go out of her way to speak against the true Messiah of the O.T. and then tell you lies about the devil being defeated.

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                          • #14
                            here is the truth of this matter. GOD AND THE LORD GOD

                            characters.

                            Since the beginnings of Christian theology, people have recognized the tension between some of the violent portraits of God in the Old Testament versus the revelation of God in Christ.

                            We like to pretend that these views are not contradictory.
                            We’ve created a dance of fancy theological footwork to merge the image of violence with the image of peace.

                            We try to say it’s not “contradiction”, and use words like “paradox” and “mystery” instead.
                            We say things like “God’s ways are higher than our ways.”

                            All the while, we know it doesn’t add up.
                            The reality is that we see two opposing portraits of God in the scriptures
                            #1=: a violent God of wrath slaughtering his enemies and commanding his people to do the same,
                            and
                            #2=: Jesus… saying His Father is kind to the ungrateful and wicked, saying he loves his enemies and commanding us to do the same.

                            While I can’t claim to perfectly resolve this dilemma, my goal today is to provide a compelling case for why Jesus is, “the image of the invisible God,” and THE standard by which all other images of God must be held accountable.


                            here is the modus operandi
                            why Jesus is, “the image of the invisible God,” and THE standard by which all other images of God must be held accountable.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                              characters.

                              Since the beginnings of Christian theology, people have recognized the tension between some of the violent portraits of God in the Old Testament versus the revelation of God in Christ.

                              We like to pretend that these views are not contradictory.
                              We’ve created a dance of fancy theological footwork to merge the image of violence with the image of peace.

                              We try to say it’s not “contradiction”, and use words like “paradox” and “mystery” instead.
                              We say things like “God’s ways are higher than our ways.”

                              All the while, we know it doesn’t add up.
                              The reality is that we see two opposing portraits of God in the scriptures
                              #1=: a violent God of wrath slaughtering his enemies and commanding his people to do the same,
                              and
                              #2=: Jesus… saying His Father is kind to the ungrateful and wicked, saying he loves his enemies and commanding us to do the same.

                              While I can’t claim to perfectly resolve this dilemma, my goal today is to provide a compelling case for why Jesus is, “the image of the invisible God,” and THE standard by which all other images of God must be held accountable.


                              here is the modus operandi
                              why Jesus is, “the image of the invisible God,” and THE standard by which all other images of God must be held accountable.
                              Lucy,

                              If that was really true, then Messiah failed on the whole nation of Israelites, and that would make the devil more powerful than Messiah's Father, but then you like teaching people that your father the devil is more powerful.

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