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  • THE FACT remains for a the rescue mission of the Saviour.
    Why
    The world lies under the wicked one

    Good news was to redeem mankind from the curse of Adam and the law of Moses as Moses did not have the bread from heaven for the Jews
    Jesus did~~~he says so.

    the problem
    .the law of the flesh and wrong choices
    Plus religious IGNORANCE AND SERVITUDE as a captive HELD to evil in all ways of this world
    - a world filled with the imaginations of satan and carried out by men - AS THE serpent seed tare pretenders.

    TO ENTER INTO HIS LIFE IS BY HIS INVITATION.
    john 11 v 24 25 26

    when His friends receive His invite - they Believe.
    death will come by doubting unbelief - that is the fruits even of ''''heros''' who faith the faith test

    THE POWER of this advice and the resurrection promise has to become ALIVE AND QUICKENED into our spirit so THE doubt will be eradicated forever

    to DOUBT is to call Messiah a liar and most of the churched do.
    No churched bible believer is a FRIEND OF THE SAVIOUR - as they are not saved but die at a rate of 2000 each 12 mins [ according to stats]
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
    THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
    - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
    - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
    This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

    Comment


    • THE DIAMOND VERSE from the dung.............
      John 10:28-30
      I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
      My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all;
      no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.
      I and the Father are one.
      ''they will never perish - they will never physically die.
      why not?
      THE FATHER, GAVE THESE BELIEVERS TO JESUS
      NO ONE CAN SNATCH THEM FROM HIS HAND even the grim reaper.

      ''john'' name meaning
      - ABBA
      has been gracious

      #10 means
      is known as a symbol of the authority of OUR FATHER and his government on the Earth.
      This number can also symbolize responsibility and completeness.

      # 28 means-
      the leading of the Spirit - 28 clearly pointed to the idea of eternal life.

      # 30 means-
      the number of dedication for rulership

      --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      hurrah
      even by the bible #s they speaketh

      ''eternal life
      - is not physically dying here
      - it is given by THE FATHER now and IN those friends of Messiah who are in His hands and are there only ON HIS AUTHORITY,
      - it is given only to THOSE HE FINDS RESPONSIBLE enough FOR DIVINE RULERSHIP here DUE TO THE LEADING OF HIS CHRIST SPIRIT''in them

      AND THE ELECT all said amen
      THE disguise comes before THE deception
      What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
      THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
      - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
      - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
      This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

      Comment


      • the new Breed called His Ekklesia
        Is under His workmanship
        is under His ever present intercession to the uttermost


        what His ekklesia dont do
        no
        they are not the ordinary Matrix styled BBL believers with very churchy habits



        no
        they dont sing psalms on Saturday pretending to be holy as a day of rest
        no
        they dont gather together once a week on Sunday and tithe 10% to clergy hirelings
        no
        they dont get a christian divorce on Mondays because of strife with the wife
        no
        they dont say long prayers + street preach either on Tuedays nor visit the sick
        no
        they dont BBL study for hours on Wednesday, then run to wed night prayer time
        no
        they dont turn a blind eye to molesters , nor agree with wife submission as an abuse on Thursdays
        no
        they dont use worldly values to make choices, nor value religious opinions on Friday

        Jesus was never religious, nor used the KJV to learn from = HE ALWAYS WENT to the top..................... and was a success in all He achieved as He did Abba's will.



        THE disguise comes before THE deception
        What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
        THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
        - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
        - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
        This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

        Comment


        • so how does His new covenant creature live - outside the Matrix
          outside all religious values that fail to manifest
          outside all the deceptions of the prison planet

          like Jesus did

          as His workmanship the new creature is removed from every form of the prison controlled planet as the GOOD SHEPHERD takes care of His Sheep.
          Jesus never wanted religious KJV christians at all,
          why not?
          _ they failed to manifest His power and ministry by remaining captives to death and the man guided christian divisional church.

          however the final soul harvest by the Holy Spirit of truth is for the ultimate spiritual salvation of His new creatures by the resurrected Jesus Christ.
          john 11 24 25 26
          the true sons of the heavenly Kingdom are called to arise, and be counted for the Heavenly Exodus.
          The new covenant creature has been trained up to surpass the mundane barriers of culture, class and creed.
          They are the ones who would attain the ultimate spiritual resurrection by the heavenly Messiah at the last day.
          To these ones, Jesus Christ promises a place in his Father's heavenly Kingdom
          . The resurrected souls [JOHN 11 V 24 25 26] would be restored to full spiritual selfhood, as perfect MINISTERS of FATHER God.

          THE disguise comes before THE deception
          What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
          THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
          - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
          - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
          This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
            Ken, I did admit that Abraham died a physical first death in post #197, And the point I was making, is that the first physical death is viewed as sleep, and true believers are still guaranteed eternal life whether alive or asleep/dead, the same as Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, then why deny that true believers cannot get sick and die or fall asleep?
            Eliyahu, for years you have admitted in your posts on this forum that Abraham died, and for years you have asked how is Abraham STILL alive. Now, the REASON why you ask this, and believe it, is BECAUSE of Yeshua's statement: "Elohim is the Elohim of the living." In YOUR mind, Abraham is somehow still alive, and you teach that it is his spirit that is alive, and this is what makes Elohim the Elohim of the living. So, ALL of the dead, who have died, whose spirit RETURNS to The Elohim who gave it, you believe that somehow all of dead are still alive THROUGH or BY their spirit RETURNING to Elohim, and then, this is how Elohim is the Elohim of the living, and not the dead. Ye therefore do greatly err Eliyahu, as Yeshua was NOT at all trying to say that those who are dead, remain alive by the spirit that returns to Elohim. Yeshua speaking what He spoke, was PROVING there would be a RESURRECTION...period. By Him speaking of the dead (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), He, in saying that Elohim is the Elohim of the Living, confirmed those DEAD Patriarchs would RISE from the dead, not that they were still alive in ANY possible fashion.

            Eliyahu, please see the DIFFERENT reactions to the answer/doctrine that Yeshua gave to those Jews:

            (Mt 22:33) And when the multitude heard [this], they were astonished at His doctrine.

            (Mk 12:28) And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that He had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

            (Lk 20:39-40)
            (39) Then certain of the scribes answering said, Master, thou hast well said.
            (40) And after that they durst not ask him any [question at all].

            These STATEMENTS by those who HEARD Yeshua's answer/doctrine UNDERSTOOD that He was accurately PROVING there would be a resurrection of the dead, BECAUSE of the FACT that those DEAD Patriarchs of old have an Elohim that is an Elohim of the LIVING, not the dead (they WOULD rise). It is a great error to think Yeshua was trying to prove that the dead are still alive, instead of truly believing that ALL live by Him, THROUGH the resurrection (1 Cor 15:22). The reason why you cannot admit this Eliyahu is because of your flawed doctrine on what a LIVING and DEAD soul is. Ken
            Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

            Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
            Abstain from meats offered to idols
            (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
            So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

            Comment


            • Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
              Eliyahu, for years you have admitted in your posts on this forum that Abraham died, and for years you have asked how is Abraham STILL alive. Now, the REASON why you ask this, and believe it, is BECAUSE of Yeshua's statement: "Elohim is the Elohim of the living." In YOUR mind, Abraham is somehow still alive, and you teach that it is his spirit that is alive, and this is what makes Elohim the Elohim of the living. So, ALL of the dead, who have died, whose spirit RETURNS to The Elohim who gave it, you believe that somehow all of dead are still alive THROUGH or BY their spirit RETURNING to Elohim, and then, this is how Elohim is the Elohim of the living, and not the dead. Ye therefore do greatly err Eliyahu, as Yeshua was NOT at all trying to say that those who are dead, remain alive by the spirit that returns to Elohim. Yeshua speaking what He spoke, was PROVING there would be a RESURRECTION...period. By Him speaking of the dead (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), He, in saying that Elohim is the Elohim of the Living, confirmed those DEAD Patriarchs would RISE from the dead, not that they were still alive in ANY possible fashion.

              Eliyahu, please see the DIFFERENT reactions to the answer/doctrine that Yeshua gave to those Jews:

              (Mt 22:33) And when the multitude heard [this], they were astonished at His doctrine.

              (Mk 12:28) And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that He had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

              (Lk 20:39-40)
              (39) Then certain of the scribes answering said, Master, thou hast well said.
              (40) And after that they durst not ask him any [question at all].

              These STATEMENTS by those who HEARD Yeshua's answer/doctrine UNDERSTOOD that He was accurately PROVING there would be a resurrection of the dead, BECAUSE of the FACT that those DEAD Patriarchs of old have an Elohim that is an Elohim of the LIVING, not the dead (they WOULD rise). It is a great error to think Yeshua was trying to prove that the dead are still alive, instead of truly believing that ALL live by Him, THROUGH the resurrection (1 Cor 15:22). The reason why you cannot admit this Eliyahu is because of your flawed doctrine on what a LIVING and DEAD soul is. Ken
              Ken,

              Yes I do believe the spirit or psyke the inner person is still alive, and cannot die in the first physical death as Yah Messiah Himself says in Matthew 10:28, and the spirit or psyke the inner person can only die in the second death. or otherwise how can any person be resurrected at all?

              PS: It's yours and Spying's doctrine that denies Yah Messiah's words above and a resurrection, because if all believers lived until the change, then how can they be resurrected as Messiah said at the last day?
              A bit of revelation for ye.

              Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

              By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

              Comment


              • Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                Ken,

                Suppose ye can tell us what Paul meant when he wrote about his death in Philippians 1, and how he would be better off being with Messiah in verse 23?
                Ken, why did ye ignore this question, or do ye have to consult with ye master Spying first.
                A bit of revelation for ye.

                Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

                By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

                Comment


                • did Jesus INVITE the false 13th apostle to receive the power of His resurrection = as per John 11 24 25 26?
                  no
                  Jesus called this usurper false Rev 2 v 2

                  THE VERB OF ANOINTING - CHRIST is used as a verb - not a name.
                  The word Christ (and similar spellings) appears in English and in most European languages. English-speakers now often use "Christ" as if it were a name, one part of the name "Jesus Christ",
                  wrong information
                  THE ANOINTING is a gift of holy power NOT A NAME but a verb = a doing word - for the anointing of power

                  SO REGARDS lets investigate
                  Philippians 1:23-24


                  23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24 but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body.
                  let it be noted the stupidity of Phil 1 v 23 the false apostle Saul who changed his name to Paul is torn between 2 desires
                  * a desire to depart ? - by a physical death - DIE IN SIN - from lack of knowledge
                  * to be with christ -?
                  really?
                  sweety you should have had CHRIST here not when ye departed into the tomb

                  AGAIN

                  * to be with christ - THE TRUTH here is christ is not a name but the empowerment of divine anointing
                  * to be with christ - to be with the anointing.
                  really?

                  whoever wrote that verse had NO idea even of what CHRIST implied.

                  so i can write
                  paul the false apostle according to jesus [rev 2 v 2] said he desired to physically die to the anointing of divine power. called christ
                  that is exactly what is implied once we study to true word meanings
                  THE disguise comes before THE deception
                  What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
                  THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
                  - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
                  - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
                  This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                    did Jesus INVITE the false 13th apostle to receive the power of His resurrection = as per John 11 24 25 26?
                    no
                    Jesus called this usurper false Rev 2 v 2

                    THE VERB OF ANOINTING - CHRIST is used as a verb - not a name.


                    wrong information
                    THE ANOINTING is a gift of holy power NOT A NAME but a verb = a doing word - for the anointing of power

                    SO REGARDS lets investigate


                    let it be noted the stupidity of Phil 1 v 23 the false apostle Saul who changed his name to Paul is torn between 2 desires
                    * a desire to depart ? - by a physical death - DIE IN SIN - from lack of knowledge
                    * to be with christ -?
                    really?
                    sweety you should have had CHRIST here not when ye departed into the tomb

                    AGAIN

                    * to be with christ - THE TRUTH here is christ is not a name but the empowerment of divine anointing
                    * to be with christ - to be with the anointing.
                    really?

                    whoever wrote that verse had NO idea even of what CHRIST implied.

                    so i can write

                    that is exactly what is implied once we study to true word meanings
                    Well Lucy J. the apostle Paul's name is NOT mentioned in Revelation 2:2 either as ye add to the texts.

                    did Jesus INVITE the false 13th apostle to receive the power of His resurrection = as per John 11 24 25 26?
                    no
                    Yes Jesus sure did according to Luke in Acts 9, and all of the Jerusalem Council accepted Paul too in Acts 15,

                    And it's beginning to be very evident that Ken and Spying allow your lies to prosper without doing anything about it.

                    A bit of revelation for ye.

                    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

                    By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

                    Comment


                    • the LIE IS SAUL who turned into a Paul became the 13th apostle = no such a person.... 12 apostles and 12 it remains.
                      Rev 2 v 2
                      Is it plausible that John is praising the Ephesians for rejecting the apostleship of Paul in Revelation 2:2?
                      Proving that Paul is the false apostle from Revelation 2:2 is very easy thing to do.
                      What is hard is for church people to do is to accept that fact.
                      It is an emotional shocker to discover this for most. of the indoctrinated pews
                      APOSTLE JOHN AS 1 OF THE 12 gives several criteria to identify the false prophets even if they “claim to have the Spirit” of God:
                      • They teach a heresy that Jesus did not come in truly human flesh (i.e., his flesh just appeared to be human flesh); \
                      • or
                      • They do not listen to the twelve apostles;
                      • or
                      • They became a part of the apostles’ group but left the apostles’ group;
                      • or
                      • They do not remain in the teachings by the twelve of what Jesus taught
                      As hard as it may be to believe, each of these four points in First and Second John apply to Paul.
                      so now to the proof of this truth - and shame to those who deny the conditions.
                      acts 1 v 12 -26''
                      very few of the indoctrinated comment upon this truth,

                      Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us
                      , 22 beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”

                      23 So they nominated two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias.''
                      24 Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen
                      25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.”
                      26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
                      12 - the number of divine government,
                      no one can do fancy religious footwork over this condition of apostleship = but liars can, shame the value of this divine government
                      THE CONDITIONS WERE SIMPLE = AN EYE WITNESS TO THE WHOLE MINISTRY OF YESHUA,

                      READ THE TRUTH
                      it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us
                      , 22 beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”
                      THE disguise comes before THE deception
                      What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
                      THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
                      - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
                      - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
                      This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                        Ken,

                        Yes I do believe the spirit or psyke the inner person is still alive, and cannot die in the first physical death as Yah Messiah Himself says in Matthew 10:28, and the spirit or psyke the inner person can only die in the second death. or otherwise how can any person be resurrected at all?

                        PS: It's yours and Spying's doctrine that denies Yah Messiah's words above and a resurrection, because if all believers lived until the change, then how can they be resurrected as Messiah said at the last day?
                        Eliyahu, Messiah explains very well about believing, and then living and not dying, BUT He also said that He needed to be followed. He had LIFE, and He was killed, and He willingly allowed for Himself to be crucified, even though He could have prevented it. The same with Paul, and the other Apostles, they had LIFE, and they were killed (excluding John), as they willingly gave up their lives, no one took it from them. This is what Paul was speaking about in Phil 1...he was going to be WITH Messiah by giving up his LIFE....DOING exactly what Messiah did (which is a BETTER thing for him to do, than remaining in the flesh), and IN THAT, there is great GAIN or REWARD. I'm not saying that these things are easily understood, but for certain, those who are martyred and die in Messiah, do sleep, and when He returns, He will bring with Him ALL who are dead IN Him. These DEAD in Him, are NOT ALIVE as you think and teach...they are DEAD, and as you do teach, being asleep is the same as death. Please tell me IF those who are DEAD/ASLEEP in Him, are actually ALIVE?:

                        (1Thes 4:14-17)
                        (14) For if we believe that Yeshua died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Yeshua will Elohim bring with Him.
                        (15) For this we say unto you by the word of Yeshua-Yehovah, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of Yeshua-Yehovah shall not precede them which are asleep.
                        (16) For Yeshua-Yehovah Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of Elohim: and the dead in Messiah shall rise first:
                        (17) Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet Yeshua-Yehovah in the air: and so shall we ever be with Yeshua-Yehovah.

                        So what is it Eliyahu? Those who are ALIVE and REMAIN, are they actually DEAD? You know, IF, as you teach, those who are ASLEEP and DEAD, are actually ALIVE, would not it all make sense that those who are ALIVE and REMAIN, that they are actually DEAD? Please, properly understand Phil 1, and then realize that the DEAD in Messiah are actually dead (just like He was), and not alive. And their HOPE is WITH ALL the chosen men of old, who TOGETHER with THEM, will be BROUGHT back to LIFE through the RESURRECTION of the DEAD, at His coming. Ken
                        Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                        Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                        Abstain from meats offered to idols
                        (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                        So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

                        Comment


                        • as the 13th apostle Saul who renamed himself Paul never witnessed Jesus words to Martha,- john 11 v 24 25 26
                          nor
                          was this Gospel written before Saul could know of the awesome revelation to Martha
                          SAUL/PAUL= better to die IN sin - because its the lack of knowledge [sin] that kills
                          Paul had NO knowledge of this LIFE HERE AND NOW revelation OF Yeshua TO friend Martha.

                          christ is not Jesus 2nd name.
                          but the empowerment VERB [ THE ANOINTING ] of the new covenant to form a new creation for the Kingdom of Heaven HERE.

                          SAUL HAD no IDEA of any ministry of the Messiah but spoke on the resurrection obviously picked up from the prisoners he was about to murder.
                          saul the 1 man witness, who changes the STORY 3 TIMES + the murderer, meets ''''Jesus'''' in the wilderness - and a clear warning from Jesus HIMSELF.
                          SO FEW HEED.
                          Was Paul Deceived by Impostor as Christ Warned In Matthew 24?
                          "I am Jesus" -- coming in "Christ's name" -- implying He was the Messiah-Jesus?
                          ASK SOME ?S
                          Does Paul's experience fit Jesus' warning that we should not believe those coming in the wilderness or privately "in my name" saying "I am the Christ" after He ascended?
                          jesus warning
                          Jesus explained that when He returns and appears next from heaven on earth He will be visible from every point "east and west," so don't be fooled by an impostor Jesus who only appears on earth in a private way or in a wilderness. (Matt. 24 vv. 4-6, vv. 26-27.)

                          why have you been so fooled?
                          is it because you dont LOVE THE TRUTH
                          why dont you CAPTURE THE TRUTH AND HOLD IT IN YOUR HEART AND BE OF A SOUND MIND?


                          Paul's experience with several companions on the wilderness road to Damascus was such that Paul says Jesus "appeared" to Paul just as Jesus "appeared" to the twelve (1 Cor. 9:1; 1 Cor. 15:4-11 NKJV ("seen"); NIV ("appeared").
                          The companions' perception was, however, limited --- they "heard the voice but saw no one" (Acts 9:7, heard from akouo).
                          However, in another account in Paul’s court testimony, they saw the light but did not hear the voice which some translate as “did not understand the voice.“
                          So others with Paul shared the experience in both their hearing and sight, although apparently not seeing a person and not understanding the voice. Paul’s experience was thus not solely a mental one, but an appearance of Jesus in Paul’s physical presence.

                          Isn't this physical appearance to Paul after Christ's Ascension of one saying he was Jesus fit the warning of an impostor in a private place or wilderness that every eye on earth does not see after Jesus already ascended to heaven?

                          Now Paul says he saw Jesus' physically in a bright light, which staring into the light is apparently why Paul ended up blinded but this did not happen to the companions.
                          Yet, the companions saw the light and heard the voice -- so it was a physical event, and not a vision.

                          Isn't this quite plain that anyone can see the problem?

                          Of course.

                          Then how come Paul did not see the problem AS HE WAS NEVER PART OF THE 12 DISCIPLES to hear the warning



                          Because immediately after this Damascus-road encounter, Paul raced to Jerusalem to tell the twelve of the event, but Paul's Jesus from the wilderness returned to Paul to intervene just before that happened. After a two week journey from Syria to Jerusalem, Paul's Jesus appears this time in a vision and tells Paul while he was praying at the Temple -- within feet of the apostles' daily worship: "Get quickly out of Jerusalem for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me." (Acts 22:18 KJV.)
                          Why couldn't Paul's Jesus just appear to the 12 and calm all doubts which Paul's Jesus said the 12 would have about whether Paul met the true Jesus Christ outside Damascus?

                          Moreover, what harm would the true Jesus be unable to cope with had Paul spoken to the twelve?
                          How could the true Jesus fear Paul checking in with the apostles about the validity of this appearance to Paul?
                          The true Jesus could have no risk.



                          However, an impostor Jesus would be exposed because the true Jesus said in Matthew 24 that He would not appear physically on earth after the Ascension until an event that "every eye" on earth could see
                          . ONLY A FALSE JESUS HAD A RISK.
                          For the apostles could have warned Paul that this was an imposter Jesus had this event ever been described to them. Incidentally, Luke never records in Acts that Paul recounted this Damascus Road event to the apostles. He recounted it only twice in Roman courts.

                          Then notice the result for Paul was he ADMITS that he deliberately persisted for decades in such darkness from Jesus' words held by the apostles.
                          Paul boasted in Galatians 2:6 that the 12 "taught him nothing" over the last 17 years since the Damascus Road experience.
                          Paul boasted in that period he had very little interchange with the Apostles - mentioning there was only one brief visit with Peter and James in a two week period three years after the event outside Damascus.
                          How problematical! Doesn't this explain why Paul did not do the self-examination against what Jesus taught the 12 in Matthew 24?
                          Otherwise, Paul would have known enough to doubt whom was giving him these revelations.

                          Jesus emphasized that these false christs will perform great signs and miracles and deceive many. Many Christians think that as long as they believe in Jesus, they will be shielded from the deceptions of the last days. However, these will not be crude deceptions that will be easy to identify. Jesus says that the deceptions of these false christs are so carefully planned and so skillfully carried out, that even God’s chosen ones would be deceived—if that were possible. And the only reason it is not possible is if we keep our focus on the real Jesus through study of His Word and through prayer.

                          Unfortunately, many will be deceived into following the wrong Jesus.

                          THE disguise comes before THE deception
                          What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
                          THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
                          - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
                          - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
                          This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

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                          • Shabbat Shalom Everyone, please, do not be deceived. Those who take what the Apostle Paul wrote and misuse or misinterpret his words, know nothing, they are without knowledge and they will die. The FALSE g-d of those who misuse or misinterpret the Apostle Paul's words, has established a gospel which requires the shedding of innocent blood, for forgiveness, and that is a LIE. The One True Elohim would NEVER require the shedding of Innocent Blood to forgive sinners of their sin, as those who twist and distort the writings of the Apostle Paul think is the case. Again, this FALSE gospel that the twisters and distorters of the Apostle Paul have, makes them LAWLESS, as ALMOST all of the 30-40 thousand demoninations PREACH against the Law and the doing AWAY or DESTRUCTION of IT, in one fashion or another. So don't be deceived by THEIR twistings and distortions of what the Apostle Paul wrote (2 Peter 3:15-17), because he would never go AGAINST the red words of Yeshua:

                            (Mt 5:17-19)
                            (17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
                            (18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
                            (19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he/sheshall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them-THE Commandments], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

                            To be sure, the Apostle Paul would NEVER TEACH against the Commandments of Elohim, because as he taught, ONLY those who DO the Law will be declared RIGHTEOUS:

                            (Rom 2:13) (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before Elohim, but the doers of the law shall be justified.)

                            The Apostle Paul TAUGHT about a DOING of the Law of Elohim that JUSTIFIES you, and FALSE christianity, along with even those who OPPOSE the Apostle Paul, do not believe what he says about this. They only want to "hear" that the Law is done AWAY with, that it is "kaput," as some deceivers put it. So don't be DECEIVED by these charlatans that misuse and misinterpret the Apostle Paul's writings. Yeshua NEVER spoke against the Law and Commandments of Elohim, as THESE charlatans do. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
                            Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                            Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                            Abstain from meats offered to idols
                            (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                            So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                            • Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
                              Eliyahu, Messiah explains very well about believing, and then living and not dying, BUT He also said that He needed to be followed. He had LIFE, and He was killed, and He willingly allowed for Himself to be crucified, even though He could have prevented it. The same with Paul, and the other Apostles, they had LIFE, and they were killed (excluding John), as they willingly gave up their lives, no one took it from them. This is what Paul was speaking about in Phil 1...he was going to be WITH Messiah by giving up his LIFE....DOING exactly what Messiah did (which is a BETTER thing for him to do, than remaining in the flesh), and IN THAT, there is great GAIN or REWARD. I'm not saying that these things are easily understood, but for certain, those who are martyred and die in Messiah, do sleep, and when He returns, He will bring with Him ALL who are dead IN Him. These DEAD in Him, are NOT ALIVE as you think and teach...they are DEAD, and as you do teach, being asleep is the same as death. Please tell me IF those who are DEAD/ASLEEP in Him, are actually ALIVE?:

                              (1Thes 4:14-17)
                              (14) For if we believe that Yeshua died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Yeshua will Elohim bring with Him.
                              (15) For this we say unto you by the word of Yeshua-Yehovah, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of Yeshua-Yehovah shall not precede them which are asleep.
                              (16) For Yeshua-Yehovah Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of Elohim: and the dead in Messiah shall rise first:
                              (17) Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet Yeshua-Yehovah in the air: and so shall we ever be with Yeshua-Yehovah.

                              So what is it Eliyahu? Those who are ALIVE and REMAIN, are they actually DEAD? You know, IF, as you teach, those who are ASLEEP and DEAD, are actually ALIVE, would not it all make sense that those who are ALIVE and REMAIN, that they are actually DEAD? Please, properly understand Phil 1, and then realize that the DEAD in Messiah are actually dead (just like He was), and not alive. And their HOPE is WITH ALL the chosen men of old, who TOGETHER with THEM, will be BROUGHT back to LIFE through the RESURRECTION of the DEAD, at His coming. Ken
                              Ken, oh I do understand Paul in Phil.1, but by your post here, ye seem to be confused, as I will point out to ye, and ye are sounding like ye master in ye contradictions..

                              This is what Paul was speaking about in Phil 1...[B[he was going to be WITH Messiah by giving up his LIFE[/B]....DOING exactly what Messiah did (which is a BETTER thing for him to do, than remaining in the flesh), and IN THAT, there is great GAIN or REWARD.
                              So tell us Ken, is Paul's spirit/psyche dead or alive according to Yah Messiah below?

                              And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul/psyche/spirit: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul/psyche/spirit and body in hell [fire]. Matthew 10:28.

                              A bit of revelation for ye.

                              Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

                              By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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                              • Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                                Ken, oh I do understand Paul in Phil.1, but by your post here, ye seem to be confused, as I will point out to ye, and ye are sounding like ye master in ye contradictions..

                                So tell us Ken, is Paul's spirit/psyche dead or alive according to Yah Messiah below?

                                And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul/psyche/spirit: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul/psyche/spirit and body in hell [fire]. Matthew 10:28.
                                Eliyahu, before I can answer your question, I need clarification. Are there any Scriptures which state G5590 (soul/psyche) and G4151 (spirit/pnuema) are ONE in the same? You, in how you present YOUR question, indicate that Paul's G4151-spirit/G5590-soul are ONE in the same. Show me a Scripture which states that the soul and spirit are ONE in the same? In the mean time, you could answer this simple question about the rich man's G5590-soul that was REQUIRED of him:

                                (Lk 12:19-20)
                                (19) ‘And I (the rich man) will say to my soul (G-5590), Soul (G-5590), you have many goods laid up for many years to come; take your ease, eat, drink and be merry.”
                                (20) “But Elohim said to him, You fool! This very night your soul (G-5590) is required of you; and now who will own what you have prepared?’

                                Did this rich man's soul (G-5590) die, when it was REQUIRED of him? Along the same lines, how can YOUR soul (G5590) be LOST?

                                (Mt 10:39) “He who has found his life (G-5590-soul) will lose it, and he who has lost his life (G-5590-soul) for My sake will find it.

                                Again, are there any Scriptures which state G5590 (soul/psyche) and G4151 (spirit/pnuema) are ONE in the same? Ken
                                Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                                Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                                Abstain from meats offered to idols
                                (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                                So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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