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    Americans cannot ignore what their government does abroad

    Seumas Milne
    Thursday September 13, 2001

    ...If it turns out that Tuesday's attacks were the work of Osama bin Laden's supporters, the sense that the Americans are once again reaping a dragons' teeth harvest they themselves sowed will be overwhelming.
    It was the Americans, after all, who poured resources into the 1980s war against the Soviet-backed regime in Kabul, at a time when girls could go to school and women to work. Bin Laden and his mojahedin were armed and trained by the CIA and MI6, as Afghanistan was turned into a wasteland and its communist leader Najibullah left hanging from a Kabul lamp post with his genitals stuffed in his mouth.

    But by then Bin Laden had turned against his American sponsors, while US-sponsored Pakistani intelligence had spawned the grotesque Taliban now protecting him. To punish its wayward Afghan offspring, the US subsequently forced through a sanctions regime which has helped push 4m to the brink of starvation, according to the latest UN figures, while Afghan refugees fan out across the world.

    All this must doubtless seem remote to Americans desperately searching the debris of what is expected to be the largest-ever massacre on US soil - as must the killings of yet more Palestinians in the West Bank yesterday, or even the 2m estimated to have died in Congo's wars since the overthrow of the US-backed Mobutu regime. "What could some political thing have to do with blowing up office buildings during working hours?" one bewildered New Yorker asked yesterday...,00.html

  • #2

    Thank you very much!
    "...and the truth will set you free."--Jesus Christ


    • #3
      Sorry, Sandy, I went to read some more editorials at that URL, but it is way too radical. I can't even remember what I read that I liked. According to what I read, it seems that if we get rid of the USA and Israel the world will have peace everlasting...
      "...and the truth will set you free."--Jesus Christ


      • #4
        I am not sure where you are getting that view from.


        • #5
          Hi Sandy,

          Here is an interesting site...

          Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9:5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that “they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter” (Q.5: 34). “As for the disbelievers”, it says that “for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (Q. 22: 9). Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28). Quran asks the Muslims to “strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25: 52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9). The holy Prophet demanded his follower to “strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” (Q. 47: 4). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (Q. 66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (Q. 4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282).
          This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslims to marry up to four wives and gave them license to sleep with their slave maids and as many “captive” women as they may have (Q. 4:3). He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are unislamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women and then kill them after calling them apostates and the enemies of Allah.

          This site scrutinizes Islam with Rational Thinking. It rejects time-honored beliefs that cannot stand the probing of reason. It asks questions and encourages independent thinking. It promotes unity of humankind, equality between men and women, abolition of prejudices and freedom from dogmatism and blind faith.

          In a world that has become so technologically advanced that even the poorest nations that cannot feed themselves boast having sophisticated nuclear and biological weapons, small misunderstandings can cause catastrophic results. Religion has always been the biggest source of misunderstanding. For religion, people are ready to die, kill and destroy everything else. Only a religious person would believe that he would go to paradise if he kills other human beings. Only a religious person has no regards for the lives he destroys because their faith is not right.

          In the past century Islamic fundamentalism has been on the rise, and with that terrorisms, revolutions, and upheavals ensued. Millions of lives were lost and still counting. Let us pause for a moment and take a second look at Islam. We may just have made a mistake.
          The reason I think Islam is harmful and must go is not due to the fact that Quran says Earth is flat or the stars are missiles that Allah fires at the jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop the conversation of the exalted assembly. These tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing the non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights. Islam must go not because it is false but because it is destructive, because it is a danger; a threat to peace and security of humankind. With the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in Islamic countries, Islam has become a serious and a real threat to the survival of our species.
          "...and the truth will set you free."--Jesus Christ


          • #6
            Shalom Lou,

            I am in such agreement with your "commentary" at the end of your post, I just had to say so. Wow! We AGREE Lou! (big smile)

            "The harvest is great, but the reapers are few".

            This is why I think it so important that our voice as a witness for Yah and declaring His works is sooooo important.

            For we can "kill" the people, but this will not "kill" the evil. It will only continue in their children (physical or spiritual).

            The only way to "kill" evil, or the "lie" is to show forth the truth.
            For truly lies "die" in the face of truth. NEVER to be resurrected.

            We have got to pray for these people, that their hearts are turned. That the lies they believe are slain, as we pray this for us.

            But Yah does say these things will happen. The catholics did it, now the musselums are doing it. Oppression, and hate abound in a world without love and mercy.

            But as I always say; "Physical points to the spiritual".
            And you are right. Everything that the musselums are doing to their wifes/daughters/children etc. in the physical... "religion" does to the "us/ the bride" spiritually.

            For Yah does not "rape". He waits for us to come to Him. He begs for us to come to him. He may make things hard on us in the flesh to "cause" us to turn to him, but he does not "force" himself on us. But sin and bondage does.

            But I know all musselums are not this way. No more then all the catholics were like unto the inquisition.
            There are many who are very kind and giving and tolarant of others.

            I'm shocked that the quran teaches such things as you quoted.
            For I have written to and spoken to, a few musselums, and they just didn't seem this way at all. Their respect, and peaceful mannor was truly admirable.

            May Yah have mercy and deliver us all.

            Take care Lou and May Yah bless you.

            "At that day
            shall a man look to his Maker,
            and his eyes shall have respect
            to the Holy One of Israel."
            Isaiah 17:7


            • #7
              Shalom Sandy,

              I do agree that we americans have much to be sorry for.
              In fact all flesh does. I hate that we are bombing Afghanistan.
              I cried when I found out. Still can.
              And it scares me.
              Its like two children; "Well, he hit me first".
              As if to say; Him doing it makes it okay for me too. duh...

              But I also believe that Yah is in control, and He knows what he is doing. And there is always a lot of blood, and pain during "birth".
              So... I look for the best to come forth. I look for the birth.
              I pray for it. And I just know Yah is going to see to it that "all kingdoms(rulerships) become His Kingdom(rulership)
              as spoken of in Revelations.

              So try not to get too discouraged sister. Babylon is a state of mind.(confusion) Not a physical city. As is Jerusalem(city of peace).
              Yah rules heavenly Yerushalom. The true dwelling of peace.
              In it we learn the "teaching of peace".

              ie; "love thy maker. love thy neighbor."

              For thy neighbors Maker, is thy Maker.
              And "our" Maker, rules all.

              There is no other.

              May Yah bless you sister, with comfort and with joy.

              "At that day
              shall a man look to his Maker,
              and his eyes shall have respect
              to the Holy One of Israel."
              Isaiah 17:7