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  • #31
    Lucy, let's use a little logic here.

    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
    seeing how you fail to comprehend the simple facts

    maybe 3 words shall do the trick IAH
    IT IS FINISHED.[ 3 words that EXPLICITLY teach the end/doing away with the levitical priesthood ...................................THE LAW OF MOSES CEASED AT THE CROSS.[the dying priesthood was NO MORE].

    where did Yeshua teach His church to demonstrate the THE WELL RECORDED ATROCITIES OF THE PAULINE SYSTEM called the gospel of GRACE...aka.... the ancient church adopted as ''my gospel'' of saul/paul to rule over them
    IAH
    why didnt the pauline system reproduce many ''saviours'' walking in the divine ability in the same ministry as yeshua [ as His image]
    Hi Lucy, ok, so the three words, "it is finished" explicitly teaches that the Law is done away with? And you would have to say that ALL of Yeshua's words which explicitly teach the DOING of the Law, are "kaput?"

    Let's analyze your reasoning process. Grace, which you say Messiah never spoke explicitly about, is false, because you can't find any explicit words from Him on Grace, yet, Messiah speaks over and over and over again about DOING the Law, and your analysis of His last 3 words does away with everything He explicitly stated about DOING the Law? Hmm? Me smells a rat trying to steal away what those last 3 words really mean. Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols
    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    • #32
      well you see IAH

      the whole dying system came to an end with 3 words IT IS FINISHED
      and the earth shuddered and hell screamed....
      3 words that changed and did away with the dying priesthood.

      there were no more high priests to minister out the law
      the only rat smell was the death of the law of moses and ofcourse 70ad nailed their coffin as world history shows

      some now know
      THE HIGH PRIEST WAS YESHUA IN THE ORDER OF MELCHEDIZECK the undying system now in charge

      anyways at best you need deliverance and a new covenant thinking... at worst... the tomb awaits
      but please have the last say.
      There is quiet enough news there for the religious brain dead or the wise to reason for themselves
      those who wish to follow you to the tomb shall agree with all you post
      bye IAH

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      • #33
        a PS.. IAH i had to post this important fact so few ''''see'''

        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
        the whole dying system came to an end with 3 words IT IS FINISHED
        and the earth shuddered and hell screamed....
        3 words that changed and did away with the dying priesthood.

        there were no more high priests to minister out the law
        the only rat smell was the death of the law of moses and ofcourse 70ad nailed their coffin as world history shows

        some now know
        THE HIGH PRIEST WAS YESHUA IN THE ORDER OF MELCHEDIZECK the undying system now in charge

        anyways at best you need deliverance and a new covenant thinking... at worst... the tomb awaits
        but please have the last say.
        There is quiet enough news there for the religious brain dead or the wise to reason for themselves
        those who wish to follow you to the tomb shall agree with all you post
        bye IAH

        ps...
        the fact so often overlooked and so few understand is this,

        when Yeshua died on the cross, the whole earth quaked, the very earth shuddered and darkness came and graves were opened.
        IT IS FINISHED ... was the cause.
        THE WHOLE SYSTEM was now broken and a the veil rent.

        now for the important piece of info
        Yeshua had put an END TO THE DYING PRIESTHOOD....again.....THE DYING PRIESTHOOD WAS NO MORE.
        THE NEW COVENANT, INTRODUCED A LIVING, ALIVE FOREVERMORE PRIESTHOOD and the true gospel lived here on earth PRODUCES a living being, without dying as their High priest, is not dead.

        The new covenant, has never been understood correctly and so, a hybrid mixture has been the result from the very beginning and produces DEATH IN THE PEWS and sin wins.


        the Levitical priesthood was insufficient to cover our sins forever.
        Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? (Hebrews 7:11)
        the ''order of Aaron'' [ the law of Moses] had to cease = SO PERFECTION could come.
        PERFECTION never came through grace, but, by the baptism of fire....the teaching and the anointing to OVERCOME ALL THINGS AS HE OVERCAME - the life of the cross....what is that = the ability to walk IN HIS FAITH as He walked.
        ok IAH
        bye

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        • #34
          Lucy, I thought that i spanked you hard enough to where you said, "bye."

          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
          ps...
          the fact so often overlooked and so few understand is this,

          when Yeshua died on the cross, the whole earth quaked, the very earth shuddered and darkness came and graves were opened.
          IT IS FINISHED ... was the cause.
          THE WHOLE SYSTEM was now broken and a the veil rent.

          now for the important piece of info
          Yeshua had put an END TO THE DYING PRIESTHOOD....again.....THE DYING PRIESTHOOD WAS NO MORE.
          THE NEW COVENANT, INTRODUCED A LIVING, ALIVE FOREVERMORE PRIESTHOOD and the true gospel lived here on earth PRODUCES a living being, without dying as their High priest, is not dead.

          The new covenant, has never been understood correctly and so, a hybrid mixture has been the result from the very beginning and produces DEATH IN THE PEWS and sin wins.

          the ''order of Aaron'' [ the law of Moses] had to cease = SO PERFECTION could come.
          PERFECTION never came through grace, but, by the baptism of fire....the teaching and the anointing to OVERCOME ALL THINGS AS HE OVERCAME - the life of the cross....what is that = the ability to walk IN HIS FAITH as He walked.
          ok IAH
          bye
          Hi Lucy, so you didn't think your spanking wasn't hard enough? OK, let's do a little more. Yeshua stated OVER and OVER again about KEEPING the Law of Moses, why do you disagree with Him? Or do you just want to say "bye" again instead of trying to come to the Knowledge of the Truth? Ken
          Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

          Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
          Abstain from meats offered to idols
          (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
          So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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          • #35
            have you ever considered IAH...

            The true possibilty that Yeshua Never recommended to all to KEEP the law of Moses at all...as Math 5 proves in the beautitudes....and
            man has corrupted HIS gospel. HIS LIFE words and mission INFACT IS TOTALLY incomparable with the OT gods of murder slaughter of humans at the slightest offense without mercy nor compassion...a *god* like a petty Tyrant none would wish to live under... infact Yeshua disobeyed this *god* numerous times preferring to say BUT I SAY UNTO YOU...stating His view and decree.Also He foreknew 70ad was 40yrs away...and all law abiders would perish...for actually keeping the Law of Moses. You must come out from church armstrongism version... its deadly.

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            • #36
              there is love..............outside the squalor of vanity

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQM...k9yWWI&index=2

              You come to us
              from another world

              From beyond the stars
              and void of space.
              Transcendent, Pure,
              Of unimaginable beauty,
              Bringing with you
              the essence of love

              You transform all
              who are touched by you.
              Mundane concerns,
              troubles, and sorrows
              dissolve in your presence,
              Bringing joy
              to ruler and ruled
              To peasant and king

              You bewilder us
              with your grace.
              All evils
              transform into
              goodness.

              You are the master alchemist.

              You light the fire of love
              in earth and sky
              in heart and soul
              of every being.

              Through your love
              existence and nonexistence merge.
              All opposites unite.
              All that is profane
              becomes sacred again."

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              • #37
                It's a LIE.

                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                The true possibilty that Yeshua Never recommended to all to KEEP the law of Moses at all...as Math 5 proves in the beautitudes....and
                man has corrupted HIS gospel. HIS LIFE words and mission INFACT IS TOTALLY incomparable with the OT gods of murder slaughter of humans at the slightest offense without mercy nor compassion...a *god* like a petty Tyrant none would wish to live under... infact Yeshua disobeyed this *god* numerous times preferring to say BUT I SAY UNTO YOU...stating His view and decree.Also He foreknew 70ad was 40yrs away...and all law abiders would perish...for actually keeping the Law of Moses. You must come out from church armstrongism version... its deadly.
                Hi Lucy, you are lying, or totally confused. At 70 ad, only those who would not conform to the Law of Moses perished. You are stating the exact opposite of what happened. It is BECAUSE they would not abide in the Law that they perished, not because they did abide in the Law. And Matthew 5, Yeshua plainly states that if you BREAK even the LEAST of the commands found in the Law, and teach others to do so, as you continually profess/teach, then you will not be very highly esteemed in the Kingdom of Heaven. Ken
                Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                Abstain from meats offered to idols
                (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
                  Hi Lucy, you are lying, or totally confused. At 70 ad, only those who would not conform to the Law of Moses perished. You are stating the exact opposite of what happened. It is BECAUSE they would not abide in the Law that they perished, not because they did abide in the Law. And Matthew 5, Yeshua plainly states that if you BREAK even the LEAST of the commands found in the Law, and teach others to do so, as you continually profess/teach, then you will not be very highly esteemed in the Kingdom of Heaven. Ken
                  hmmm I sometimes wonder dear IAH if your brain was inserted BACK TO FRONT.... it is so amazing how you fail to understand anything
                  you are an expert at twisting meanings.

                  Even Yeshua would be confused by your reasoning ability....I say this without fear nor favour, you cannot discern THE TRUTH,
                  I DO BELIEVE YOU ARE UNDER THE CURSE OF ARMSTRONGISM AND ITS DEADLY DECEPTION
                  it has ruined Spying's life, and you seem to follow..
                  I don't understand how you can be so foolish.... you were SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN Yeshua and Herbert Armstrong and Hebert WON

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                  • #39
                    John 7:19

                    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                    hmmm I sometimes wonder dear IAH if your brain was inserted BACK TO FRONT.... it is so amazing how you fail to understand anything
                    you are an expert at twisting meanings.

                    Even Yeshua would be confused by your reasoning ability....I say this without fear nor favour, you cannot discern THE TRUTH,
                    I DO BELIEVE YOU ARE UNDER THE CURSE OF ARMSTRONGISM AND ITS DEADLY DECEPTION
                    it has ruined Spying's life, and you seem to follow..
                    I don't understand how you can be so foolish.... you were SANDWICHED IN BETWEEN Yeshua and Herbert Armstrong and Hebert WON
                    Hi Lucy, are you lying, or Yeshua.

                    Yeshua said:
                    Jn 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
                    Lucy said:
                    Also He foreknew 70ad was 40yrs away...and all law abiders would perish...for actually keeping the Law of Moses.
                    You see Lucy, either you, by your exalted WISDOM about what happened at 70ad, or Messiah in what He plainly said, is correct, you BOTH cannot be correct. Either that destruction came "for actually keeping the Law of Moses," or from "none of you keepeth the Law." You both cannot be right, and I would not put my money on your delusion. Ken
                    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                    Abstain from meats offered to idols
                    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                    • #40
                      no one could keep 613 laws IAH

                      Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
                      Hi Lucy, are you lying, or Yeshua.

                      Yeshua said:


                      Lucy said:
                      You see Lucy, either you, by your exalted WISDOM about what happened at 70ad, or Messiah in what He plainly said, is correct, you BOTH cannot be correct. Either that destruction came "for actually keeping the Law of Moses," or from "none of you keepeth the Law." You both cannot be right, and I would not put my money on your delusion. Ken
                      yet for 1500yrs this ugly system of slaughter and death for trifles prevailed.
                      no one, well read could keep the law, no one illiterate could keep the law.
                      you yourself cannot do it, yet continually press us all to obey parts HERBERT ARMSTRONG told you to keep.
                      in 70 ad the whole system of slavery was demolished, why do you continually preach to us to keep something called a shadow.... and having the leadership of ''gods'' no one would wish to live next door too.

                      your real problems dear IAH, you have been CONNED by a USA guru who made millions of $ from millions of pew people like you
                      you have never RECOVERED from this scam.

                      I was never influenced by this evil ministry nor by any U S A evangelical preaching - it is mostly rubbish.
                      Herbert was well known for twisting the scriptures and the ignorant never questioned his perversions of the Gospel.
                      you also do the same yourself.
                      like father like son as the twig is bent... stuff.

                      you would love the disciples of Yeshua to dabble in ''acceptable parts of the law of Moses, as well as the gospel'' = this is called a hybrid mixture and sin of the gross-est kind.
                      https://www.memri.org/tv/warning-ext...ath-isis-syria
                      how about stoning to death for those ''caught in adultery'' = perhaps in your religious zeal for the law of Moses ., you would throw the 1st stone

                      imagine Ken, loving and worshipping such a vile being as the OT... YAH..... don't you think it would make you just as vile?

                      something to think about when you look in your bathroom mirror.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                        yet for 1500yrs this ugly system of slaughter and death for trifles prevailed.
                        no one, well read could keep the law, no one illiterate could keep the law.
                        you yourself cannot do it, yet continually press us all to obey parts HERBERT ARMSTRONG told you to keep.
                        in 70 ad the whole system of slavery was demolished, why do you continually preach to us to keep something called a shadow.... and having the leadership of ''gods'' no one would wish to live next door too.

                        your real problems dear IAH, you have been CONNED by a USA guru who made millions of $ from millions of pew people like you
                        you have never RECOVERED from this scam.

                        I was never influenced by this evil ministry nor by any U S A evangelical preaching - it is mostly rubbish.
                        Herbert was well known for twisting the scriptures and the ignorant never questioned his perversions of the Gospel.
                        you also do the same yourself.
                        like father like son as the twig is bent... stuff.

                        you would love the disciples of Yeshua to dabble in ''acceptable parts of the law of Moses, as well as the gospel'' = this is called a hybrid mixture and sin of the gross-est kind.
                        https://www.memri.org/tv/warning-ext...ath-isis-syria
                        how about stoning to death for those ''caught in adultery'' = perhaps in your religious zeal for the law of Moses ., you would throw the 1st stone

                        imagine Ken, loving and worshipping such a vile being as the OT... YAH..... don't you think it would make you just as vile?

                        something to think about when you look in your bathroom mirror.
                        Lucy,

                        Then how do YOU pronounce the word " Halleluyah" in praise?? You probably don't pronounce it all I guess.

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                        • #42
                          insensitive to the Saviour/Father's character

                          Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                          Lucy,

                          Then how do YOU pronounce the word " Halleluyah" in praise?? You probably don't pronounce it all I guess.
                          i will defend the character of Abba and Yeshua to the end.... and no way living was the Father nor Yeshua reflected as a slimy vicious cruel and insane god.... you cannot find FATHER's CHARACTER NOR YESHUA's CHARACTER reflected in any form of cruelty to others. at any time during His earthly ministry

                          YAH.....Amos 3:6

                          Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                          just to highlight some of the evil in the OT Bible and to expose the false god behind it
                          Here in the above verse He SPEAKS OF HIS OWN CHARACTER.... IS THIS A REFLECTION OF NT YESHUA?

                          and NO I dont say that at all............

                          can I tell you why Elijah... as a snippet of interest
                          when I was so much younger than today, I was a Christian book stores delight as I was always buying books and CDs of praises etc, infact I had $5000+ library
                          I was listening to a CD of praise one morning on ''hallelyah'''' and right in the middle of a song I heard '' this is all so fake and not of Me, but a Big Religious Business'' throw it all out
                          I asked even the books in my library '' YES''... throw the trash out it is all rubbish and for done for PROFIT.

                          so I did....you see Elijah you have to HEAR from the divine Himself = not just read a book and think you are such a damn smart cookie.

                          Yah (Lah), the Other Egyptian Moon God FROM Mt SINai... the moon god.
                          Moses OT pal +who loves to begin his day when the moon comes out 6pm and end his day 6am.. just as the Jewish Sabbath = moon god worshipping...YAH

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                            i will defend the character of Abba and Yeshua to the end.... and no way living was the Father nor Yeshua reflected as a slimy vicious cruel and insane god.... you cannot find FATHER's CHARACTER NOR YESHUA's CHARACTER reflected in any form of cruelty to others. at any time during His earthly ministry



                            just to highlight some of the evil in the OT Bible and to expose the false god behind it
                            He SPEAKS OF HIS OWN CHARACTER.... IS THIS A REFLECTION OF NT YESHUA?
                            Lucy,

                            What does the word "name" mean?

                            Strong's G3686 - onoma

                            ὄνομαὄνομα ŮŽnoma, on'-om-ah; from a presumed derivative of the base of G1097 (compare G3685); a "name" (literally or figuratively) (authority, character):—called, (+ sur-)name(-d).

                            http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexic...gs=G3686&t=KJV

                            (authority, character)

                            How can you defend the Father's (authority, character) if you do not even know His name?

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                            • #44
                              correct i dont worship a pagan idol Moses moon god YAH

                              Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                              Lucy,

                              What does the word "name" mean?

                              Strong's G3686 - onoma

                              ὄνομαὄνομα ŮŽnoma, on'-om-ah; from a presumed derivative of the base of G1097 (compare G3685); a "name" (literally or figuratively) (authority, character):—called, (+ sur-)name(-d).

                              http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexic...gs=G3686&t=KJV

                              (authority, character)

                              How can you defend the Father's (authority, character) if you do not even know His name?
                              your silly mean ''god'' YAH........ THE MOON GOD - yes I don't know his name nor recognise a pagan idol...a cruel swine.... a beast of evil..... and not a reflection of Abba Our true Father of love and compassion.
                              Moses moon god from Mt SINai.
                              God Yahweh did all of the following:
                              He created evil (Lam. 3: 38, Jer. 26: 3, Ezek. 20: 25 – 26, Judges 9: 3, 1, Sam. 16: 23, 18: 10);
                              He deceived (Jer. 4: 10, 15: 18, 20: 7, 2, Chron 18: 22, Ezek. 14: 9, 2Thess. 2: 9 – 12);
                              He told people to lie (Ex. 3: 18, 1Sam. 16: 2);

                              He lied (Gen. 2: 17, 2Sam. 7: 13);
                              He rewarded liars (Ex. 1: 15 – 20);
                              He ordered men to become drunken (Jer. 25: 27);
                              He rewarded the fool and the transgressor (Prov. 26: 10);
                              He mingled a perverse spirit (Isa. 19: 14);
                              He spread dung on people's faces (Mal.2: 3);
                              He ordered stealing (Ezek. 39: 10, Ex 3: 22);
                              He made false prophesies (Jonah 3: 4, Gen. 5: 10);
                              He changed his mind (Jonah 3: 10).

                              He caused adultery (2 Sam. 12: 11 – 12);
                              He ordered the taking of a harlot (Hosea 1: 2, 3:1 – 2);
                              He killed (Num. 16: 35, 21: 6, Deut. 32: 39, 1Sam. 2: 26, Psalm 135: 10);
                              He ordered killing (Lev. 26: 7 – 8, Num. 25: 4 – 5);
                              He had a temper (Deut. 13: 17, Judges 3: 8);
                              He was often jealous (Deut. 5: 9,6: 15);
                              He wasn't omnipresent (Gen. 4:16, 11: 5, 1Kings 19: 11 – 12);
                              He wasn't omniscient (Deut. 8: 2, 13: 3, 2Chron. 32: 31);

                              He often repented ( Ex. 4: 22 – 23, Joshua 22: 20, Rom. 5: 12);
                              He played favourites ( Deut. 7: 6, 14: 2, 1Sam. 12: 22);
                              He sanctioned slavery ( Ex. 21: 20 – 21, Deut. 15: 17);

                              He degraded deformed people (Lev. 21: 16 – 23).
                              He punished a bastard for being illegitimate (Deut. 23: 2);etc...

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                                your silly mean ''god'' YAH........ THE MOON GOD - yes I don't know his name nor recognise a pagan idol...a cruel swine.... a beast of evil..... and not a reflection of Abba Our true Father of love and compassion.
                                Then what is your "FATHER'S NAME" Lucy, you never did tell us, even after a year of me asking you, or do you worship a nameless no name god?

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