(7) My proof that you misquoted/misapplied John 1;29 and 1 Cor 5:7.
(8) My quote about the lamb and the scapegoat.
"The Christians say that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world. The NT is very dysfunctional at this point. John the Baptist even claims that Jesus Christ is the "Lamb of God that takes the away the sin of the world."
John 1:29 (NIV) The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Paul claims that Jesus Christ is in fact the "Passover Lamb."
1 Corinthians 5:7b (NIV) …For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
"In our turf we all know that the Passover lamb has no power whatsoever to take away any sin."
Notice, here, as is your regular practice, two different verses, or parts of verses, two different authors, different audiences, different circumstances, but you try to give the impression that they are the same thing…
(8) My quote about the lamb and the scapegoat.
"The Christians say that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world. The NT is very dysfunctional at this point. John the Baptist even claims that Jesus Christ is the "Lamb of God that takes the away the sin of the world."
John 1:29 (NIV) The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Paul claims that Jesus Christ is in fact the "Passover Lamb."
1 Corinthians 5:7b (NIV) …For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
"In our turf we all know that the Passover lamb has no power whatsoever to take away any sin."
Notice, here, as is your regular practice, two different verses, or parts of verses, two different authors, different audiences, different circumstances, but you try to give the impression that they are the same thing…
Hebrews 9:11 goes on to say, "But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood,
Matthew 26:67 (NIV) Then they spit in his face and struck him with their fists. Others slapped him.
Matthew 27:30 (NIV) They spit on him, and took the staff and struck him on the head again and again.
Mark 14:65 (NIV) Then some began to spit at him; they blindfolded him, struck him with their fists, and said, "Prophesy!" And the guards took him and beat him.
Mark 15:19a (NIV) Again and again they struck him on the head with a staff and spit on him.
“In the same way Jesus suffered unfairly on the cross for sins He did not commit. He was innocent and sinless yet suffered as if He had sinned. Jesus is our scape-goat! Just as the scape-goat was driven into the wilderness. Jesus was crucified outside the gate of the city of Jerusalem."
The NT writers ignored the fact that although it is highly altruistic from a human perspective, but to Almighty Yahweh it is an abomination that the innocent pay for the sins of someone else.
John 15:13 (NIV) Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. (i.e. this is anti-Torah)
Exodus 23:7 * Have nothing to do with a false charge and do not put an innocent or honest person to death, for I will not acquit the guilty.
Deuteronomy 27:25 * "Cursed is the man who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person." Then all the people shall say, "so be it!" (i.e. Jesus Christ set up Judas to fall under this curse)
Psalms 106:38 * They shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was desecrated by their blood.
39 They defiled themselves by what they did; by their deeds they prostituted themselves.
40 Therefore Yahweh was angry with his people and abhorred his inheritance. (i.e. …until the Christians came up with the idea that shedding the “innocent” blood of the “son of man” is OK)
Proverbs 17:15 * He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the righteous, even they both are abomination to Yahweh. (i.e. According to Christian mythology, Almighty Yahweh shot his foot.)
Proverbs 17:26 * To punish a righteous man is not good, nor to strike princes because of their uprightness. (i.e. no exceptions otherwise Almighty Yahweh would be shooting his own feet)
Proverbs 24:24 * Whoever says to the guilty, "You are innocent"-- peoples will curse him and nations denounce him. (i.e. According to Christian mythology, Almighty Yahweh shot his foot.)
(9) My request for documentation of your claim that N.T. practices were copied from heathen cults eating flesh and drinking blood.
"The Christian philosophy about salvation is a concoction of bizarre ideas about the effect of the Passover lamb in a personal saving faith.. . . The Heathen of that day used to drink blood. "
Do you have anything at all resembling historical documentation of this allegation? Or is it just more of Lou's anti-Christian fantasy.
"The Christian philosophy about salvation is a concoction of bizarre ideas about the effect of the Passover lamb in a personal saving faith.. . . The Heathen of that day used to drink blood. "
Do you have anything at all resembling historical documentation of this allegation? Or is it just more of Lou's anti-Christian fantasy.
(10) My questions and comments about drinking blood and eating flesh in the N.T.
"After he died everybody was supposed to eat of his flesh and drink his blood forever in a cannibalistic ritual known as the "Eucharist."
I assume you are referring to, Matthew, 26:26, and following. This is another of your tactics, in politics they call it "plausible deniability." You don't actually cite a specific verse, so you can later deny misquoting it.
If this is the passage you are referring to. Note, Jesus is speaking while He is alive and holding bread and wine in His hand. When his disciples ate the bread and drank the wine, His body was completely intact and His blood still flowing in His veins. So no "cannibalistic ritual", no drinking blood, no eating human flesh, whatsoever. The rest of your infantile babbling about "drinking of a stiff's blood", etc., etc. doesn't merit further response.
As for symbolism, that is nothing unusual, all the elements of the pesach seder are symbolic. For example, the bitter herbs represented the bitter slavery of the Israelites.
Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
"After he died everybody was supposed to eat of his flesh and drink his blood forever in a cannibalistic ritual known as the "Eucharist."
I assume you are referring to, Matthew, 26:26, and following. This is another of your tactics, in politics they call it "plausible deniability." You don't actually cite a specific verse, so you can later deny misquoting it.
If this is the passage you are referring to. Note, Jesus is speaking while He is alive and holding bread and wine in His hand. When his disciples ate the bread and drank the wine, His body was completely intact and His blood still flowing in His veins. So no "cannibalistic ritual", no drinking blood, no eating human flesh, whatsoever. The rest of your infantile babbling about "drinking of a stiff's blood", etc., etc. doesn't merit further response.
As for symbolism, that is nothing unusual, all the elements of the pesach seder are symbolic. For example, the bitter herbs represented the bitter slavery of the Israelites.
Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Anything symbolic is an image of the real stuff or event. I suspect that Jesus Christ or Paul for that matter came up with a new way of celebrating the Passover using the body and blood of Jesus Christ as a substitute for the passover lamb. Whoever wrote the gospels probably copied from Paul. Paul made the first recorded statement that Jesus Christ is the Passover lamb that was already sacrificed. And as I read the gospels written many years after Paul popularized the idea of Jesus Christ as the Passover lamb I don’t see a trace of any lamb during the “Last Seder.” Did Jesus Christ proceed to celebrate the Passover seder in a different setting substituting his body and blood for the Passover lamb? It is very possibly that he did so. I say so because there are TOO MANY irregularities registered at that Pesach celebration. I don’t have time now to list all the irregularities because they are too many, mostly in violation of HaTorah.
Actually my original question is very important. If the elements of the Eucharist represent the body and blood of Jesus Christ, tell me what body. Is it his own body before the crucifixion? The NT writers say that he had a sinless and spotless body. Regardless of how innocent it was there is a Christian dogma that says that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingodm of Heaven... Now if that body and blood of Jesus Christ is the one hanging on the cross. I would have a little problem explaining because it was loaded with sins and I don’t want to be sarcastic adding spit, too. During the time that Jesus Christ was dead, he was supposed to be roasting in Hell so I am not sure about how to word it. And after the alleged resurrection, his body couldn’t be flesh and blood anymore because "flesh and blood do not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven." You must answer what flesh and blood of Jesus Christ are we talking about in the Eucharist because I can count 4 stages in the metamorphosis of Jesus Christ.
Well, Old Shep, I came to the end of answering your old questions. Somebody said that facts are stubborn things. I admire your fairness in demanding documentation. I am sure that if you were that fair minded all around you would be more careful how you read the NT and the Tanakh. I don’t have any plans to come up with a new religion. I am waiting for the real messiah of Israel to show up soon. You may even call him the anti-Christ. Now that I think of it, we will have a lot in common. BTW, I don’t believe in any of that although you may accuse me of being an anti-Christ. All that is NT crap. The Book of Revelation is the dessert that you feed on to fleece the sheep.
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