OS Answer #2, 3 & 4 -- Jesus Christ is not Immanuel…

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http://www.tzaddikim.org/forum/show...ighlight=isaiah

(2) Same post, my question about Isaiah 7:14.
(3) My question about Zechariah 8:22-23
(4) My question about Proverbs 30:1

Based on Zech 8:22, and preceding verses, the number ten, in vs. 23, very likely means "many", rather than a specific number. And what in this passage prevents it from referring to Jesus? Jesus was a Jew, many people took hold of Him, in Jerusalem, and the name "Immanuel"/"El with us", Isaiah 7:14, has been applied to him! Your "proof text" doesn't prove what you want it to.

Almighty Yahweh placed his name on the tribe of Yahudah. So any Jew can qualify to be the one leading 10 or “many more” Goyim to the knowledge of how to worship and serve Almighty Yahweh. The one of the many Jews mentioned in the text needs to be alive to do what it says that he is capable of doing, to lead people to the true knowledge of Almighty Yahweh. That is what the bare text says. I heard a different interpretation, too. That the ten people are the 10 lost tribes of Israel that will be united to the Jews in common worship of Yahweh. This is only a speculation more likely to be true than your sneaky accommodation of Jesus Christ in the picture. I stick to the literal understanding of the clear text. Someday the Jews will have the key to lead the world to the knowledge of Almighty Yahweh. Christianity is not involved.

Your question, “And what in this passage prevents it from referring to Jesus?” In the first place Jesus Christ needs to be alive. The article “a” Jew in the text means any Jew. The problem with the English language is that “you” can be singular or plural. In any other language that makes a distinction between plural and singular the same text is read,

Zechariah 8:23 * This is what Yahweh Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew (singular) by the hem of his (singular) robe and say, `Let us go with you (plural, i.e. pointing to all Jews), because we have heard that Elohim is with you (plural, i.e. pointing to all Jews).'"

Therefore that “you” in the above verse couldn’t possibly be Jesus Christ. I have no reference material at the moment to figure out if the expression in Hebrew is plural or singular. I understand that it is very important to really know it because of its prophetic significance. Regardless, I still believe that Matthew’s “Immanuel” was inserted in his “gospel” just to force the fulfillment of another “prophecy” because it never happened. Nobody ever called Jesus Christ, “Immanuel.” It is a common name, anyway. Who knows how many Jews were bearing that name in those days. Moreover the original “Immanuel” was a man of war with clear objectives. Jesus Christ was a freak.

Isaiah 8:6-10 * "Because this people has rejected the gently flowing waters of Shiloah and rejoices over Rezin and the son of Remaliah,
7 therefore Yahweh is about to bring against them the mighty floodwaters of the River-- the king of Assyria with all his pomp. It will overflow all its channels, run over all its banks
8 and sweep on into Judah, swirling over it, passing through it and reaching up to the neck. Its outspread wings will cover the breadth of your land, O Immanuel!"
9 Raise the war cry, you nations, and be shattered! Listen, all you distant lands. Prepare for battle, and be shattered! Prepare for battle, and be shattered!
10 Devise your strategy, but it will be thwarted; propose your plan, but it will not stand, for El is with us (i.e. Immanuel).

Jesus Christ is not worthy of bearing the name of Immanuel. He went to the Romans whining that the Jews arrested him when he was the one priming Judas to betray him. He also mumbled to Pontius that his “kingdom” was no longer of this world, but of somewhere else. Then he made some vague allusion to the truth as he saw it. He didn’t specify where was his kingdom from. If he would have said that it was from Heaven the Romans would have died laughing. So Jesus Christ was a freaky messiah not representing either the Kingdom of Israel or the Kingdom of Heaven. He was not one bit bold as Moshe was when he went to Pharoah and pulled his goatee if he had one telling him, “Hey, Pharaoh, this is what Almighty Yahweh has to say to you…” Regardless, it is really disgusting to compare Jesus Christ to Moshe, or even Immanuel.

What Jesus Christ had to say to Pontius Pilate will forever live in infamy in the heart of any self respectable Jew!

John 18:36 (NIV) Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

In view of what it is written of the real Immanuel in Isaiah 8. I can assure you that Jesus Christ has nothing to do with that person or that name. He can take his rosary and go sweat blood somewhere else.

Pro 30:1 The words of Agur the son of Jakeh, even the prophecy: the man spake unto Ithiel, even unto Ithiel and Ucal,

0384 ‘Iythiy’el eeth-ee-ale’
perhaps from 0837 and 0410;; n pr m
AV - Ithiel 3; 3
Ithiel = "God is with me"
1) the disciple to whom Agur gave proverbs
2) a Benjamite in Nehemiah’s time

Old Shep, What you have here is a square peg that you are trying to fit into a round hole. Forget it. It doesn’t work. I know how frustrated you can be. I understand your name calling. If you still have a few unwashed neurons in your brain you can sense that what I am telling you is no god, oops sorry, dog puke.

PS/ Bear with me, Old Shep, you must know that I don’t recognize “god” to be a valid reference to Almighty Yahweh.