WHAT was the ''work'' of a judaizer? name and shame this ministry~expose them

[LucySmith]

Judiazers are those [ancient and modern] who deny salvation is a gift and offered freely as per
repentance,
forgiveness of our sins and ofcourse
baptism, +with water and fire,

the Judaizers say ''god requires some kind of payment from us'',

sad to say Spying IAH and Elijah are modern day Judaizers, who demand we all keep some parts of the law of moses to the jews but not all....they maintain its a work not so much as a gift
these men called JUDAIZERS TEACH = WE HAVE TO OBEY THE LAW OF MOSES CONFORM TO IT INFACT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SALVATION,

WHAT THEY PROMOTE IS A FORM OF JEWISH MOSAIC LAW AS PROSELYTES FIRST + only then could they come too Christ, a MIXTURE OF LAW OF WORKS AND CHRIST,= THIS IS WHAT the boys have ordained as their belief= on this forum
MOSIAC LAW+GOSPEL

NOTICE THE WARNINGS ARE SO CLEAR -
I,E TO ADD TO THAT WORK OF CHRIST AND TRUE SALVATION - IS to then NEGATE SUCH A SALVATION= therefore the 3 posters ARE NOT SAVED at all.
understand this important fact.


a lot of this false doctrine comes from
'' the Hebrew roots movement,''
SDA LIES AND OFCOURSE
old Herbert Armstrong himself....
''old hoary head'' as dear Spying calls him with affection,
it is all so pitiful and sad, I can scare believe the religious tomfoolery these boys fell into.

I remember a sentence in the film ''Lord of the Rings'' where Gandalf fights with BALROG AND Declares

''YOU SHALL NOT PASS HERE''

this is why I don't allow them to peddle their religious infamy without a public protest.

you have to RUN, from the works of the devil.... amen
these boys were made powerless to R,U,N,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2fwe0rnHak

''run you fools''
get over the bridge into christ and his goodnews

I have a great fondness for this film as my brother in law, in NZ was in charge of the lighting..... and involved in the productions,

[LucySmith]

a judaizer belief is a CULT.....

CONSIDER

The Jerusalem Council defined the gospel as promising men salvation by faith in the work of Christ alone, apart from law-keeping.
The Jerusalem Council defined the gospel as promising men salvation by faith in the work of Christ alone, apart from law-keeping
The Jerusalem Council defined the gospel as promising men salvation by faith in the work of Christ alone, apart from law-keeping
The Jerusalem Council defined the gospel as promising men salvation by faith in the work of Christ alone, apart from law-keeping

LET US ALL wish to rid ourselves of unbiblical teaching since the characteristics of the cults are found (in slightly different forms and with more pious, biblical labels) EVERYWHERE in the churches named after our Lord Jesus

no true disciple will have anything added ''as works'' to the goodnews... hence its title THE GOODNEWS OF GOODWILL TO ALL MEN

the OT was never goodwill towards men.

[LucySmith]

lets understand THE TRUTH OF THIS MATTER....ITS EXTREMELY SIMPLE...

in Acts 11:1–18, and the issues that caused concern were ultimately decided upon at the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15).
The issues centered on two questions:
Do Gentiles first have to become Jews before they can become Christians?
Do Gentiles have to observe the Mosaic Law after they become Christians?

The impetus for the Jerusalem Council is given in Acts 15, verses 1 and 5,

“But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, ‘Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.’ . . .

''It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the Law of Moses.”
Some Jewish Christians were teaching that Gentiles had to observe the Mosaic Law and Jewish customs in order to be saved.

Since this teaching clearly contradicted the fact that salvation was by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone (Acts 15:11), the apostles and church leaders held the first Christian council to settle the issue.

In verses 7-11, the apostle Peter spoke of his ministry with the Gentiles, as recorded in Acts chapter 10.
Peter focused on the fact that the Holy Spirit was given to uncircumcised Gentiles in precisely the same manner the Holy Spirit was given to the apostles and Jewish believers on the day of Pentecost.
This led Peter to the conclusion that there should be no “placing a yoke on the neck of the [Gentile] disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear” (Acts 15:10).

Jesus’ half-brother James, who had become a leader of the church in Jerusalem, agreed with Peter and declared,

“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God” (Acts 15:19).

The Jerusalem Council then proceeded to give four “rules” that Gentile Christians should live by.
These were not rules the Gentiles must follow in order to be saved.
Rather, the rules were to build harmony between Jewish and Gentile Christians in the first century.

The four rules the Jerusalem Council decided upon were that Gentile Christians should abstain from food polluted by idols, sexual immorality, the meat of strangled animals, and blood.
The instructions were not intended to guarantee salvation but to promote peace within the early church.

now the foul mouth elijah who calls me a jezzy - is himself '''''THE'''''' VERY NAME HIMSELF.....

Mr JEZ E BELL ELIJAH

NO MATTER WHAT THESE PEOPLE POST FLEE FROM THEM dont let them pass on the demonic belief and lose your own salvation. amen
you cannot place any of the 613 laws of moses to be observed by born again believer...NOT ONE, nothing zilch nada
THE CAPTIVE IS SET FREE

[LucySmith]

the truth goes like this.....

you read further, James the brother of Yeshua, and leader of the Jerusalem church having heard these anointed words instructed that letters should be written and sent off to all the established churches abroad, stating that never again will any Jew instruct a Gentile to conform themselves to the Jewish religion.
That circumcision and following the Mosaic Law have absolutely no power to save their souls, that it is only faith in Yeshua that one can be saved from their sin, echoing the words of The Saviour himself in


John 14:6

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Even though the disciples witnessed Yeshua's many altercations with the Pharisees during His ministry, and that those same Pharisees even put Him to death because He pointed out the hypocrisy and flaws in their legalistic religion they still didn't get what Christ had done right away.

It took many miraculous acts after Yeshua ascended to Heaven for them to begin to perceive the true magnitude of what Christ had accomplished on the Cross.
Gentile languages spoken at Pentecost in Acts 2, Peter's vision and witness to the Gentile Centurion Cornelius in Acts Chapter 10,
Acts 15 - they spoke at the Jerusalem Council as evidence toward the Gentile inclusion in God's plan for salvation.

All of these things took time, the powerful nature and the sway that the Jewish religion had over the minds of even Yeshua closest disciples was extremely potent
. It can even be said that there is a evil, controlling spirit behind all false religion.

Whether it be of pagan origin, Jewish origin or even false Christian doctrine. This spirit works to drag people away from the saving gift of salvation and place people back under the law.
All false religion is works based, it says that if you follow so and so set of rules and do such and such things you will go to heaven.
This lying spirit was active in the Apostles time and it is super active in today's modern church also.


ps
OUR POOR SAD boys have fallen for a lying spirit.....sigh

[ImAHebrew]

It's very simple if you KNOW The Scriptures Lucy.

Hi Lucy, why complicate and make your reasoning and teachings so difficult? The Council of Acts 15 BOUND or DETERMINED 4 NECESSARY OT commands UPON the Gentiles, so that the Gentiles could associate or fellowship with them EVERY Sabbath in the Synagogues.

Act 15:20-21 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols (Exodus 34:15, Leviticus 7:7-9), and from fornication (Leviticus 18), and from things strangled (Leviticus 17:13), and from blood (Leviticus 7:26-27). For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day.

It should be quite evident to anyone that the Jewish Believers were requiring these 4 necessary commands from Moses so that THEY could associate with those Gentiles, and then the Gentiles could HEAR Moses read each and every Sabbath in the synagogues. Nothing complicated about what happened, the Body of Yeshua determined or BOUND upon the Gentiles these 4 necessary commands, and Yeshua said that whatsoever ye bind on earth, it shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever ye loose on earth, it shall be loosed in heaven (Matthew 16:19, Matthew 18:18).

Then about 9-12 years later, The Apostle Paul returns to Jerusalem in Acts 21 to where he is greeted by James and ALL the elders, who say that there are thousands of Jews who BELIEVE, and are ALL ZEALOUS of the Law (Acts 21:20). Rumors abound concerning those who have falsely accused Paul of teaching Jews to forsake Moses, the circumcising of children (on the 8th day), and the customs (Oral Law).

Act 21:21 And they (the Believing Jews) are informed of thee (The Apostle Paul), that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

So Lucy, these lies and rumors about what the Apostle Paul taught is what you BUILD your teachings upon as you and deceived/traditional christianity teach that EVERYONE should forsake Moses, and the circumcising of children, and the customs. But what you and deceived/traditional christianity have failed to recognize was verse 25:

Act 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

As touching the Gentiles which BELIEVE....This should show you that the Jewish Believers (James, ALL the Elders, and thousands of Jews) ALL were ZEALOUS for keeping the Law of Moses, and that Moses should not be forsaken by THEM. You have NO answer for this Lucy, do you? Ken

[LucySmith]

what a strange twisted thinking,,

Hi Lucy, why complicate and make your reasoning and teachings so difficult? The Council of Acts 15 BOUND or DETERMINED 4 NECESSARY OT commands UPON the Gentiles, so that the Gentiles could associate or fellowship with them EVERY Sabbath in the Synagogues.

Act 15:20-21 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols (Exodus 34:15, Leviticus 7:7-9), and from fornication (Leviticus 18), and from things strangled (Leviticus 17:13), and from blood (Leviticus 7:26-27). For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day.

It should be quite evident to anyone that the Jewish Believers were requiring these 4 necessary commands from Moses so that THEY could associate with those Gentiles, and then the Gentiles could HEAR Moses read each and every Sabbath in the synagogues. Nothing complicated about what happened, the Body of Yeshua determined or BOUND upon the Gentiles these 4 necessary commands, and Yeshua said that whatsoever ye bind on earth, it shall be bound in heaven, and whatsoever ye loose on earth, it shall be loosed in heaven (Matthew 16:19, Matthew 18:18).

Then about 9-12 years later, The Apostle Paul returns to Jerusalem in Acts 21 to where he is greeted by James and ALL the elders, who say that there are thousands of Jews who BELIEVE, and are ALL ZEALOUS of the Law (Acts 21:20). Rumors abound concerning those who have falsely accused Paul of teaching Jews to forsake Moses, the circumcising of children (on the 8th day), and the customs (Oral Law).

Act 21:21 And they (the Believing Jews) are informed of thee (The Apostle Paul), that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

So Lucy, these lies and rumors about what the Apostle Paul taught is what you BUILD your teachings upon as you and deceived/traditional christianity teach that EVERYONE should forsake Moses, and the circumcising of children, and the customs. But what you and deceived/traditional christianity have failed to recognize was verse 25:

Act 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
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As touching the Gentiles which BELIEVE....This should show you that the Jewish Believers (James, ALL the Elders, and thousands of Jews) ALL were ZEALOUS for keeping the Law of Moses, and that Moses should not be forsaken by THEM. You have NO answer for this Lucy, do you? Ken

really...you make this up as you go along IAH?

its the law of moses + the gospel....
proving you remain unsaved,
how do you keep the 613 laws = can you explain it?
or
just Saturday service? under the stern direction of herbert Armstrong?????

it seems everyone is deceived but you, [being an authority on everything] amazing, great outstanding scholars with millions of hours of bible study between them all = ALL WRONG.
but you alone are right,

The Modern Judaizers and Pharisees
In the first church council they wrote a decision to the gentiles who were being saved in great numbers
Acts 15:5-6 “But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses." Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.”
And we should consider their response.

V:10"Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

What was this yoke?

We are told in specifically in V:23-24.

At the end of their letter, “we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law'-- to whom we gave no such commandment”
Who were these who came and taught this addition of the old covenant to the new?

so IAH what you are doing in reality IS TESTING GOD
wow you are a brave man.......or..............filled with a lying spirit= a Herbert Armstrong virus I guess

to make you look worse than stupid.......

these are two different covenants, OLD and New.
They cannot be combined. The new covenant replaces the old, it is Christ Jesus himself.
Moses law was temporary until the messiah came
He came to take away the first to establish the second (Heb.10:9).

Heb .8:13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.
Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb. 8:13 partially quotes Jer. 30:31 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete, growing old ready to vanish away.

Who made it obsolete?
God himself did.
How?
By a New covenant.
Lets look at the two main words.
1) Obsolete: Greek- palaioo - decayed; to make (passively, become) worn out, or declare obsolete:
2)vanish away: Greek is aphanismos- 1) disappearance 2) destruction

Heb 8:13 Perfect active indicative of palaiooo (NT:3774), an old verb from palaios (NT:3772) (in contrast with kainos (NT:2502), fresh, new), to treat as old and out of date. (from Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament)
Heb 8:13 Is ready to vanish away engus (NT:1435) afanismou (NT:848 a). Literally, "is nigh unto vanishing." Afanismos (NT:848 a), "vanishing," occurs only here in the New Testament. Often found in the Septuagint. …

go back into your'' herbert armstrong = SDA''' closet you are naked, IAH

[ImAHebrew]

It's all according to the Scriptures, and I guess, you fail to comprehend.

really...you make this up as you go along IAH?

its the law of moses + the gospel....
proving you remain unsaved,
how do you keep the 613 laws = can you explain it?
or
just Saturday service? under the stern direction of herbert Armstrong?????

it seems everyone is deceived but you, [being an authority on everything] amazing, great outstanding scholars with millions of hours of bible study between them all = ALL WRONG.
but you alone are right,

The Modern Judaizers and Pharisees
In the first church council they wrote a decision to the gentiles who were being saved in great numbers
Acts 15:5-6 “But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, "It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses." Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.”
And we should consider their response.

V:10"Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

What was this yoke?

We are told in specifically in V:23-24.

At the end of their letter, “we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law'-- to whom we gave no such commandment”
Who were these who came and taught this addition of the old covenant to the new?

so IAH what you are doing in reality IS TESTING GOD
wow you are a brave man.......or..............filled with a lying spirit= a Herbert Armstrong virus I guess

to make you look worse than stupid.......

these are two different covenants, OLD and New.
They cannot be combined. The new covenant replaces the old, it is Christ Jesus himself.
Moses law was temporary until the messiah came
He came to take away the first to establish the second (Heb.10:9).

Heb .8:13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.
Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb. 8:13 partially quotes Jer. 30:31 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete, growing old ready to vanish away.

Who made it obsolete?
God himself did.
How?
By a New covenant.
Lets look at the two main words.
1) Obsolete: Greek- palaioo - decayed; to make (passively, become) worn out, or declare obsolete:
2)vanish away: Greek is aphanismos- 1) disappearance 2) destruction

Heb 8:13 Perfect active indicative of palaiooo (NT:3774), an old verb from palaios (NT:3772) (in contrast with kainos (NT:2502), fresh, new), to treat as old and out of date. (from Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament)
Heb 8:13 Is ready to vanish away engus (NT:1435) afanismou (NT:848 a). Literally, "is nigh unto vanishing." Afanismos (NT:848 a), "vanishing," occurs only here in the New Testament. Often found in the Septuagint. …

go back into your'' herbert armstrong = SDA''' closet you are naked, IAH

Hi Lucy, you really do not comprehend the Scriptures do you? What I presented was a very comprehensive view of what happened in Acts 15 and Acts 21, and I am sorry that it DESTROYS your teachings.

Now, on another thread I gave you 12 choices as to WHEN the Old Covenant "vanishes away." Will you be able to answer? Ken

[LucySmith]

consider nature....the laws of creation.....

and then consider the sabbath of the jews AND THE COMMAND OF MOSES..... =it actually goes against the laws of creation and is MAN MADE.
ASK
WHY WOULD OUR CREATOR, GO AGAINST HIS OWN LAWS.... i guess not to many indoctrinated SDA/Herbert Armstrongites give it a thought.....

what?
going against the laws of creation
MAN MADE COMMAND OF REST FROM FRI SUNSET TO SAT SUNSET - 24 hrs of DOING NOTHING.

LOUNGE POTATOES
opps
BUT THE LAWS OF CREATION DONT REST
example
* WOMEN GIVE BIRTH TO CHILDREN
* COWS/ANIMALS NEED MILKING/feeding
* PEOPLE AND ANIMALS GET SICK OR INJURED/need assistance.....................this man made law escapes logic as YESHUA PROVED BY HIS BREAKING OF THE SABBATH.....
* ETC ETC ETC add nauseum..

the cycle of nature does not stop for a man made ''rest day'' - a lame excuse as GOD IS STILL WORKING...... according to the bible

WHY DONT WE SEE THE TRUTH

jhn 5:16,17

And this was why the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because he was doing these things on the Sabbath. But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”
Jesus uses this as an argument for why he was working on the Sabbath. This seems to contradict Genesis 2:2,3 in which God rests from creation, which is the basis for the Sabbath:

Yeshua doing things on the sabbath
OHHHHH golly gosh....
dont tell the SDA and armstrong crowd....
they might get SAVED FROM THEIR FALSE PREACHING

[ImAHebrew]

Bloviating.

and then consider the sabbath of the jews AND THE COMMAND OF MOSES..... =it actually goes against the laws of creation and is MAN MADE.
ASK
WHY WOULD OUR CREATOR, GO AGAINST HIS OWN LAWS.... i guess not to many indoctrinated SDA/Herbert Armstrongites give it a thought.....

what?
going against the laws of creation
MAN MADE COMMAND OF REST FROM FRI SUNSET TO SAT SUNSET - 24 hrs of DOING NOTHING.

LOUNGE POTATOES
opps
BUT THE LAWS OF CREATION DONT REST
example
* WOMEN GIVE BIRTH TO CHILDREN
* COWS/ANIMALS NEED MILKING/feeding
* PEOPLE AND ANIMALS GET SICK OR INJURED/need assistance.....................this man made law escapes logic as YESHUA PROVED BY HIS BREAKING OF THE SABBATH.....
* ETC ETC ETC add nauseum..

the cycle of nature does not stop for a man made ''rest day'' - a lame excuse as GOD IS STILL WORKING...... according to the bible

Hi Lucy, you are confused and you are bloviating. Elohim created The Sabbath, not man. Ken

[Eliyah]

and then consider the sabbath of the jews AND THE COMMAND OF MOSES..... =it actually goes against the laws of creation and is MAN MADE.
ASK
WHY WOULD OUR CREATOR, GO AGAINST HIS OWN LAWS.... i guess not to many indoctrinated SDA/Herbert Armstrongites give it a thought.....

what?
going against the laws of creation
MAN MADE COMMAND OF REST FROM FRI SUNSET TO SAT SUNSET - 24 hrs of DOING NOTHING.

LOUNGE POTATOES
opps
BUT THE LAWS OF CREATION DONT REST
example
* WOMEN GIVE BIRTH TO CHILDREN
* COWS/ANIMALS NEED MILKING/feeding
* PEOPLE AND ANIMALS GET SICK OR INJURED/need assistance.....................this man made law escapes logic as YESHUA PROVED BY HIS BREAKING OF THE SABBATH.....
* ETC ETC ETC add nauseum..

the cycle of nature does not stop for a man made ''rest day'' - a lame excuse as GOD IS STILL WORKING...... according to the bible

WHY DONT WE SEE THE TRUTH


Yeshua doing things on the sabbath
OHHHHH golly gosh....
dont tell the SDA and armstrong crowd....
they might get SAVED FROM THEIR FALSE PREACHING

this man made law escapes logic as YESHUA PROVED BY HIS BREAKING OF THE SABBATH.....

Lucy,

Did Messiah break the Sabbath according to Elohim's laws, or did Messiah break the Sabbath according to the Scribes traditional made up laws of man?

[LucySmith]

SO the god of the OT can break

the laws of creation...

really?
how strange~~~perhaps he is using anient technology of something worse like ''mind control for the stupid''


hmmmm
the laws of all creation are subjected to the Sabbath day of Moses.... is this what false teachings promote?
really?????

''golly gosh'', PERHAPS SAVIOUR YESHUA DIDNT UNDERSTAND '' resting on the sabbath''~~~~~~~

hey IAH and Elijah - why don't you tell YESHUA HOW TO THINK... seeing you are such ''authorities'' under the false ministries of Armstrongism/SDA crowds of the ''deceived''....

tell HIM not to break the Sabbath like recorded.

[Eliyah]

the laws of creation...

really?
how strange~~~perhaps he is using anient technology of something worse like ''mind control for the stupid''


hmmmm
the laws of all creation are subjected to the Sabbath day of Moses.... is this what false teachings promote?
really?????

''golly gosh'', PERHAPS SAVIOUR YESHUA DIDNT UNDERSTAND '' resting on the sabbath''~~~~~~~

hey IAH and Elijah - why don't you tell YESHUA HOW TO THINK... seeing you are such ''authorities'' under the false ministries of Armstrongism/SDA crowds of the ''deceived''....

tell HIM not to break the Sabbath like recorded.

Where did Messiah break the Sabbath Lucy?

[Eliyah]

Lucy,

Did Messiah break the Sabbath according to Elohim's laws, or did Messiah break the Sabbath according to the Scribes traditional made up laws of man?

You see Lucy, you take a suggested question, and you run with it as IF it is true huh?

[LucySmith]

Elijah why not ABDICATE. GET Back into your ignorant closet slam the door

and remain silent.

its impossible to deal with your stupidity

[Eliyah]

and remain silent.

its impossible to deal with your stupidity

Really Lucy, I guess it's easier for YOU to deal with your mind's fantasy huh?