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  • those who say THE CROSS WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH =beware

    those who say Yeshua sacrifice was not enough.
    ...''THE HE SHALL ADD'' people.....[by adding their version of their gospel to the mix]
    beware~~~~~~


    THE RECORD SHOWS....
    for no one was found WORTHY to open the scroll BUT THE Lamb

    no law
    no prophet
    no king
    no ruler
    no apostle
    no clergy
    no authority on earth, WAS WORTHY.

    so why do the legalists add to scriptures with 'their take''?

  • #2
    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
    those who say Yeshua sacrifice was not enough.
    ...''THE HE SHALL ADD'' people.....[by adding their version of their gospel to the mix]
    beware~~~~~~


    THE RECORD SHOWS....
    for no one was found WORTHY to open the scroll BUT THE Lamb

    no law
    no prophet
    no king
    no ruler
    no apostle
    no clergy
    no authority on earth, WAS WORTHY.

    so why do the legalists add to scriptures with 'their take''?
    Lucy,

    Please show me, where I have added anything to the scriptures, as YOU say?

    I quote and give ONLY the scriptures itself.

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    • #3
      Lucy,

      You asked:
      so why do the legalists add to scriptures with 'their take''?
      Let's let Messiah Himself answer this question.

      Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19.

      Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

      Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
      Matthew 28:19-20.

      Lucy, was Messiah NOT also a legalist, as you call it?

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      • #4
        Also Lucy.

        Lucy,

        You asked:

        Let's let Messiah Himself answer this question.

        Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19.

        Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

        Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
        Matthew 28:19-20.

        Lucy, was Messiah NOT also a legalist, as you call it?
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        Also Lucy, you titled this thread as:
        those who say THE CROSS WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH =beware
        Lucy, who is saying, that the cross is NOT good enough?

        Also, if there is NO law, as you claim, to identify sin or lawlessness 1 John 3:4, then why would anyone even NEED to repent, and why would anyone even NEED a Savior, to save them FROM sin according to YOU??

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        • #5
          this sums up the question.....law/cross.

          ''The law is for the self-righteous, to humble their pride:
          the gospel is for the lost, to remove their despair."


          the captive needs to be set free.
          ask?
          WHO WAS AND IS WORTHY to set humanity free.................. the law of Moses or the cross of the Saviour.?

          that is the question you need to understand, and this understanding will REMOVE you FROM YOUR CAPTIVITY.
          [Charles Spurgeon, All of Grace, p. 14]

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          • #6
            Messiah said:

            And because iniquity/lawlessness shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Matthew 24:12.

            I'm always amazed at the great wisdom Messiah has, and this verse is absolutely profound, and it certainly does apply to this lawless generation today.

            This word "iniquity" is the Greek word No. G458 from G459.

            ἀνομία anomia From ἄνομος (G459) And because iniquity/lawlessness shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Matthew 24:12.

            1.the condition of without law

            1.because ignorant of it

            2.because of violating it

            2.contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

            http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexic...ngs=G458&t=KJV

            ἄνομος (G459) anomos

            1.destitute of (the Mosaic) law

            1.of the Gentiles

            2.departing from the law, a violator of the law, lawless, wicked

            http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexic...ngs=G459&t=KJV

            So when the law of Yahweh is NOT taught and ignored, it produces a lack and loss of love.
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            Now, armed with this knowledge ABOVE, let's look at some other scriptures in the N.T. that uses this G458 G459 iniquity=lawlessness.

            But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O Elohim, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

            Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity/lawlessness; therefore Elohim, even thy Elohim, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
            Hebrews 1:8-9.

            Messiah hates iniquity=lawlessness, because it produces a loss of love toward Yahweh the Father, and love toward thy neighbor.

            Messiah said again:

            Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

            Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

            And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity/LAWLESSNESS G458 G459.
            Matthew 7:21-23.

            Who are these people? Why they profess to know Messiah, but they practice iniquity or lawlessness to Yah's laws.
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            The apostle John wrote:

            Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is LAWLESSNESS. 1 John 3:4.

            Now, let's look at this command below.

            Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him/her.

            Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am YAHWEH.
            Leviticus 19:17-18.

            Do you recognize this underlined command in verse 18 ? You should, because it is reinstated throughout the New Testament, see link below.

            http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...eighbour&t=KJV

            First, let's look at some points in Lev.19:17 above.

            1. You shall not hate your brother or neighbor in your heart/mind or spirit.

            2. You shall rebuke your neighbor, and not suffer sin/ or transgressions upon him/her.

            3. If you hate your neighbor in your heart or mind, you will let him or her continue on sinning or transgressing the law.

            4. If you truly love your neighbor in your heart or mind, you will point out his or her sins.

            This above is completely opposite thinking of the Western mindset, here below is an example, and I'm not referring to any particular person either.

            This in following quotes is how most people think: """Oh how dare you point out my sins, you are accusing me, why you don't like or love me.""" Unquote.

            And those who teach against these laws of love, are in fact teaching people to hate their neighbors, and this is why Messiah said below.

            And because iniquity/lawlessness shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. Matthew 24:12.

            Where these great laws of love are taught, people's love will not wax cold.
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            Lucy, it is a fact, and by your own written words of admission, that YOU teach against Yah the Father's and Messiah's laws of love toward YAH and love toward your neighbors, and those who do so, is in fact teaching hate toward YAH the Father, and hate toward their neighbors.

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            • #7
              another question that needs to be fully understood is,

              if you are not lost, what- do you want with a Saviour?

              why did those under the law of moses = were CALLED CAPTIVES AND WHY did they need A SAVIOUR?
              [answer - the law of moses was unable to save anyone]
              For the law never made anything perfect. But now we have confidence in a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
              = HEB 7 V 19

              ask hard questions and don't be deceived by those who somehow get confused and mix 2 dispensations to make 1 hybrid gospel.

              the bible has been corrupted, we all need HIS HOLY SPIRIT to rightly divide the diamonds from the dung.

              remember the word CAPTIVE - ~ to the law of moses - the law of sin and death
              and the words SET FREE ~~- by the cross and fully understanding the divine MAKE OVER.

              = these words are clues to the TRUTH OF THE MATTER~~~~
              YOU CAN REMAIN A CAPTIVE
              OR
              YOU CAN BE SET FREE

              YOUR CHOICE to whom ye serve~~~~~~

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              • #8
                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                ''The law is for the self-righteous, to humble their pride:
                the gospel is for the lost, to remove their despair."


                the captive needs to be set free.
                ask?
                WHO WAS AND IS WORTHY to set humanity free.................. the law of Moses or the cross of the Saviour.?

                that is the question you need to understand, and this understanding will REMOVE you FROM YOUR CAPTIVITY.
                [Charles Spurgeon, All of Grace, p. 14]
                ]''The law is for the self-righteous, to humble their pride:
                Really? Well, it seems Mr. Charles Spurgeon, or YOU are wrong according to scriptures below.

                Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1 Timothy 1:9.

                Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners.

                To this the apostle John agrees 1 John 3:4.

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                • #9
                  THE TRUTH COMES BACK TO A CHOICE of.....

                  3 WORDS


                  captive
                  or
                  free man~~~~

                  your choice - chose wisely and understand the anointing of the Spirit of life amen

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                  • #10
                    Lucy,

                    Messiah said:

                    Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

                    And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
                    Rev. 2:20-21

                    Your teaching the CULT of Jezebel, which DENIES repentance FROM SIN or LAWLESSNESS. 1 John 3:4.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                      3 WORDS


                      captive
                      or
                      free man~~~~

                      your choice - chose wisely and understand the anointing of the Spirit of life amen
                      Lucy,

                      The choice is either REPENT OF SIN or LAWLESSNESS Acts 3:19; Acts 11:18; 1 John 3:4 and apply Messiah as your sacrifice, or suffer THE SECOND DEATH Rev.20:14.

                      It all starts with repentance FROM SIN, and doing the first works as Messiah said Rev.2:5.

                      Messiah Himself said:

                      He/She that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He/She that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Rev.2:11.

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                      • #12
                        this is an awesome verse and it comes from apostle Peter

                        who[ I guess] UNDERSTOOD the real personal need of repentance and forgiveness

                        I will post it big so all can think of Peter and his betrayal 0f the saviour and repentance = amen

                        “He himself bore our sins in his body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness” (1 Peter 2:24)..

                        taking away the sins of this world....
                        [I guess Apostle Peter had the verse personally tattooed in his heart.]
                        And by dying in our place, taking the penalty for our sins upon himself, Christ’s death is also the means of propitiation

                        yes indeed Apostle Peter knew well this verse he wrote because he HAD LIVED THOUGH IT personally himself amen

                        have you?
                        I have
                        amen~~~~ no longer guilty no longer under the wrath of Father = amen

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                          who[ I guess] UNDERSTOOD the real personal need of repentance and forgiveness

                          I will post it big so all can think of Peter and his betrayal 0f the saviour and repentance = amen

                          “He himself bore our sins in his body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness” (1 Peter 2:24)..

                          taking away the sins of this word....
                          And by dying in our place, taking the penalty for our sins upon himself, Christ’s death is also the means of propitiation
                          Oh, so Messiah did it all for you in your stead, so YOU don't have to huh?

                          Where did Peter say your black words above?

                          Peter said He bore our sins or transgressions, and a person MUST REPENT, and STOP sinning or transgressing the law 1 John 3:4, Messiah came to save us FROM our sins Matthew 1:21, and NOT to save people IN their continued sinning as you teach.

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                          • #14
                            those who love to hate the cross and its work... will never win.

                            to many verse against them....


                            here are some
                            Hebrews 9:14
                            how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

                            1 John 1:7
                            but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

                            Hebrews 10:22
                            let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

                            what is this REPENTANCE FROM DEAD WORKS MEAN?

                            Hebrews 6:1-2lists six basic teachings of the New Testament.
                            The first doctrine is “repentance from dead works.”

                            The author is instructing his audience of Jewish converts to use these GOSPEL fundamental teachings as a springboard to “go on to perfection.”
                            In order to understand this first doctrine, we must consider the context of the book of Hebrews.

                            We must understand why the book was written.
                            Written to a Jewish audience
                            The theme of the book of Hebrews is the superiority of Christ.

                            The author endeavors to explain and convince his Jewish audience why the New Covenant is far superior to the Old Covenant

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                              to many verse against them....


                              here are some
                              Hebrews 9:14
                              how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

                              1 John 1:7
                              but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

                              Hebrews 10:22
                              let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

                              John 15:3
                              "You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
                              Lucy,

                              Both Paul in Hebrews and John is speaking to those WHO HAVE ALREADY REPENTED OF THEIR SINS or transgressions.

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