The Purpose Of Human Existence?

[Spying]

Hi Everyone,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Shabbat Shalom!

Years ago while in college, I had the pleasure, because I majored in English Literature, of taking a course devoted to John Milton's "Paradise Lost". The purpose of "Paradise Lost" was to justify the ways of ELOHIM to men. I was drawn to take John Milton seriously because in studying about his life, I saw where he suffered greatly and was persecuted by religious authorities because of his rejection of the doctrine of the Immortality of the Soul. I do not know why, but it seems that it is my nature to favor the persecuted underdog. I am often moved to come to their aid.

About the same time, one of my college courses involved translating Plato's Dialogue of Socrates' "Defense on the Immortality of the Soul". It seems that committed individuals do suffer persecution. While Socrates was martyred for his political views which made me sympathetic towards him, I began to wonder how a pagan such as Socrates could express so well my then Christian belief in the immortality of the soul. In considering this issue, I determined that John Milton was correct about the soul, and I began to understand that the accepted Christian teaching on the soul actually came from Greek philosophy and not from the Hebrew or Christian Scriptures.

My acceptance of Milton's viewpoint on the soul, did not move me to agree with Milton's justification of the ways of ELOHIM to men. I felt him to be lacking in that regard although I now no longer remember why.

A little later another teacher entered my life. His name was Herbert Armstrong. For those of us who were fortunate enough to hear Mr. Armstrong preach, no matter the subject of the sermon, Mr. Armstrong invariably was moved to go back to the beginning thoroughly castigating Christianity for their lack of understanding concerning the beginning of human nature. The problem with Mr. Armstrong was that his concept of the beginning was no more correct and true than traditional Christianity.

The actual doctrine that endeared me to Mr. Armstrong was his teaching that the ELOHIM through the creation of humans were working to reproduce themselves. This teaching found acceptance with me even though today my belief and understanding concerning this issue has been greatly modified.

So, folks, you all like myself have had experiences and previous beliefs, and if you are here reading this post, you yourself are into religion. Why are we here? What is the purpose of human existence?

Thanking anyone brave enough to be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr

[Spying]

Larry Wilson On Our Purpose!

Hi EliYah,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

I thought that you might be interested in going to Larry Wilson's Blog and reading what he has to say about our purpose:

http://jesuskingdomtruth.blogspot.com/2016/09/his-purposes.html

If you would be so kind, please read what he says and then tell me what you think?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr

[Eliyah]

Hi EliYah,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

I thought that you might be interested in going to Larry Wilson's Blog and reading what he has to say about our purpose:

http://jesuskingdomtruth.blogspot.com/2016/09/his-purposes.html

If you would be so kind, please read what he says and then tell me what you think?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr

Spying,

Well, it was as I already knew, that Larry Wilson does NOT speak against the apostle Paul, and he even quotes from Paul's writings too.

[Eliyah]

Spying,

I'm willing to hear you out on a matter Proverbs 18:13 if you want to present it.

[Spying]

Romans 8:28!

Hi EliYah,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

You wrote in reaction:

"Well, it was as I already knew, that Larry Wilson does NOT speak against the apostle Paul, and he even quotes from Paul's writings too."

For the most part, I do not search for motives why people do this or do that. In real life, I often make quick decisions concerning motives. This is a fault with me. I once asked a Cohen what he thought of me, and he replied that I was a man who was very naive. Naivety easily allows its holder to reach conclusions which may or may not be true.

With my public internet persona, I have worked to be different. Do not reply in haste. Take time to consider. Be not quick to condemn. Avoid complaining. Do not insist on being right. Ask questions without expecting to receive answers. Be patient, and treat others as you would like to be treated. Always bless, and by no means curse! With what result?

I have found that physical practice like the above does change human nature, but, surprisingly, it does not change anyone else; rather, it changes the person who patiently engages in the activity which is new and proper for them.

I have further found that it is almost impossible to make others accept and believe what you have learned to be the truth. Messiah Yahushua can do so, and this process of conversion can be rather quick but also can take a long time. Maybe on this thread, I will attempt to explain why this is so.

Anyways, EliYah, I do appreciate your desire to hear a matter before making a judgment concerning that matter, but I did not ask you to remain silent until I gave my views; even though, that is a wise course of action. Rather, I asked you to tell me what you thought of Larry Wilson's ideas concerning what he understands the purpose of ELOHIM to be.

Romans 8:28 is one of my all time favorite scriptures for reasons which I have already stated elsewhere on this forum:

Romans 8:28

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love ELOHIM, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Please notice how Larry Wilson translates this verse on his blog:

Romans 8:28

“All THINGS work TOGETHER for GOOD to them that LOVE GOD, and are CALLED according to HIS PURPOSES”.

Here is a link that will take you to a Greek textual version of the New Testament where the Greek word for "purpose" is found:

http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4286&t=MGNT

And here is a link that will take you to another:

http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4286&t=TR

In both versions, the Greek word, "πρόθεσιν", is found in Romans 8:28, and "πρόθεσιν" is accusative singular and not accusative plural. So, I will ask you, EliYah, when ELOHIM called you, did ELOHIM have multiple purposes in mind, or did ELOHIM call us with just one purpose in mind?

I know, Lucy will look at this issue which I am now raising, and no doubt say I am being a pharisaical nitpicker right here. Of course, I can always claim naivety, can I not?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr

[LucySmith]

Hi EliYah,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

You wrote in reaction:

"Well, it was as I already knew, that Larry Wilson does NOT speak against the apostle Paul, and he even quotes from Paul's writings too."

For the most part, I do not search for motives why people do this or do that. In real life, I often make quick decisions concerning motives. This is a fault with me. I once asked a Cohen what he thought of me, and he replied that I was a man who was very naive. Naivety easily allows its holder to reach conclusions which may or may not be true.

With my public internet persona, I have worked to be different. Do not reply in haste. Take time to consider. Be not quick to condemn. Avoid complaining. Do not insist on being right. Ask questions without expecting to receive answers. Be patient, and treat others as you would like to be treated. Always bless, and by no means curse! With what result?

I have found that physical practice like the above does change human nature, but, surprisingly, it does not change anyone else; rather, it changes the person who patiently engages in the activity which is new and proper for them.

I have further found that it is almost impossible to make others accept and believe what you have learned to be the truth. Messiah Yahushua can do so, and this process of conversion can be rather quick but also can take a long time. Maybe on this thread, I will attempt to explain why this is so.

Anyways, EliYah, I do appreciate your desire to hear a matter before making a judgment concerning that matter, but I did not ask you to remain silent until I gave my views; even though, that is a wise course of action. Rather, I asked you to tell me what you thought of Larry Wilson's ideas concerning what he understands the purpose of ELOHIM to be.

Romans 8:28 is one of my all time favorite scriptures for reasons which I have already stated elsewhere on this forum:

Romans 8:28

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love ELOHIM, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Please notice how Larry Wilson translates this verse on his blog:

Romans 8:28

“All THINGS work TOGETHER for GOOD to them that LOVE GOD, and are CALLED according to HIS PURPOSES”.

Here is a link that will take you to a Greek textual version of the New Testament where the Greek word for "purpose" is found:

http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4286&t=MGNT

And here is a link that will take you to another:

http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4286&t=TR

In both versions, the Greek word, "πρόθεσιν", is found in Romans 8:28, and "πρόθεσιν" is accusative singular and not accusative plural. So, I will ask you, EliYah, when ELOHIM called you, did ELOHIM have multiple purposes in mind, or did ELOHIM call us with just one purpose in mind?

I know, Lucy will look at this issue which I am now raising, and no doubt say I am being a pharisaical nitpicker right here. Of course, I can always claim naivety, can I not?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr

lucy here....i feel it is up toYeshua to reveal our born again personal destiny. He is our Saviour who does the wooing and the teaching. He is the one who choses His bride and loves with an everlasting love. He is the only one because there is not 3 in a marriage. He pursues HIs beloved till eternal life is woven into that person fully and totally here. No one can teach another about LifeNow because none will believe such a new mindset of restoration and the return too life. It is no good trying to Convince IAH and ELijah of Life Now as Yeshua has not called them into this Zoe realm...only you have. Why should they believe tou.?when death is so powerful and constantly in view as evidence of a unsound mindset....People are simply religious and CULTURALLY MOTIVATED INTO THINKING "I AM RIGHT"....so what is the point of trying to convince ELijah when he knows death has him cornered. Only YEshua can call and chose HIs ekklesia....elijah has a deadly mindset and just abiding time till he dies from sin. All his religious verses dont mean sweet nelly when u are dead on the slab in the funeral home

[LucySmith]

our destiny our purpose.

lucy here....i feel it is up toYeshua to reveal our born again personal destiny. He is our Saviour who does the wooing and the teaching. He is the one who choses His bride and loves with an everlasting love. He is the only one because there is not 3 in a marriage. He pursues HIs beloved till eternal life is woven into that person fully and totally here. No one can teach another about LifeNow because none will believe such a new mindset of restoration and the return too life. It is no good trying to Convince IAH and ELijah of Life Now as Yeshua has not called them into this Zoe realm...only you have. Why should they believe tou.?when death is so powerful and constantly in view as evidence of a unsound mindset....People are simply religious and CULTURALLY MOTIVATED INTO THINKING "I AM RIGHT"....so what is the point of trying to convince ELijah when he knows death has him cornered. Only YEshua can call and chose HIs ekklesia....elijah has a deadly mindset and just abiding time till he dies from sin. All his religious verses dont mean sweet nelly when u are dead on the slab in the funeral home

YESHUA WILL TELL each one of HIS DISCIPLES in his ekklesia their place and rank and destiny..
He opens the scripture ofcourse and also those the rhema words of confirmation
why?
so none are confused or have some weird imagination or religious ego trips of grandeur verging into illustrious heights of carnal flesh.
no it stays simple and childlike.

[Spying]

There Is Only One Purpose!

Hi Lucy,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

You asserted:

"He opens the scripture ofcourse and also those the rhema words of confirmation
why?
so none are confused or have some weird imagination or religious ego trips of grandeur verging into illustrious heights of carnal flesh.
no it stays simple and childlike."

The reason why there is so much religious confusion in this world is because the Christians of this world have not received the opening of the Scriptures which the 10 Apostles received on the morrow after Messiah arose from the dead and after Messiah ascended to the Father as the Wave Sheaf, that is, the first born Son of the Father. This Waving was required by the Law, Lucy, and please notice that this ascension and waving occurred after the death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection of Messiah.

Messiah informed the 10 Apostles on that day how HE knew what HE knew about HIMSELF, and Messiah told them that they were HIS witnesses. Witnesses of what? This is not simple, Lucy, and believe me the fulfillment of the Law and the Psalms and the Prophets is not childlike. You may well think so, but for the most part, you are clueless about these things.

Please allow me to give you a case in point. You understand just like the Christians of this world, that Messiah commissioned HIS Apostles and Disciples to go about preaching the forgiveness of sins. That was not what Messiah was after. Messiah desired that they go about preaching the remission of sins. Sin is a disease that kills. Should anyone desire to live, then in order to live their disease that kills them must go into remission. Forgiveness of sins is not the issue with the ELOHIM. Forgiveness is a given with THEM as long as sinners were ignorant of their participation in the death of Messiah. Tell me, what is more important to the ELOHIM, is it more important to THEM that THEY forgive our sins or is it more important for THEM to cause our sins to go into remission so that we sinners need not perish, that is, be physically put to death for our sins?

Sometimes, I can hardly believe the things that come out of your mouth, Lucy. You know that sins kill; yet, you have no personal concept of sins. You have concluded that the Law is done away with and no longer valid in your life because your faith tells you that you can live without obedience to the Law all because you obey a higher Law, that is, the Law of life, which for you is very simple and childlike.

The only difference between you and the Christians of this world, Lucy, is that they believe that they can disobey the Law and live after they physically die, and you believe that you can disobey the Law and continue to live without physically dying. Both beliefs are rather simple and childlike.

All in the world physically die because their sins do not go into remission, and right here on this thread is Lucy who believes that she can remain in the disease of sin and yet continue to physically live. Can you explain your simple and childlike faith here, Lucy?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr

[LucySmith]

for all my wrongness i dont live a life as you do Spying

Hi Lucy,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

You asserted:

"He opens the scripture ofcourse and also those the rhema words of confirmation
why?
so none are confused or have some weird imagination or religious ego trips of grandeur verging into illustrious heights of carnal flesh.
no it stays simple and childlike."

The reason why there is so much religious confusion in this world is because the Christians of this world have not received the opening of the Scriptures which the 10 Apostles received on the morrow after Messiah arose from the dead and after Messiah ascended to the Father as the Wave Sheaf, that is, the first born Son of the Father. This Waving was required by the Law, Lucy, and please notice that this ascension and waving occurred after the death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection of Messiah.

Messiah informed the 10 Apostles on that day how HE knew what HE knew about HIMSELF, and Messiah told them that they were HIS witnesses. Witnesses of what? This is not simple, Lucy, and believe me the fulfillment of the Law and the Psalms and the Prophets is not childlike. You may well think so, but for the most part, you are clueless about these things.

Please allow me to give you a case in point. You understand just like the Christians of this world, that Messiah commissioned HIS Apostles and Disciples to go about preaching the forgiveness of sins. That was not what Messiah was after. Messiah desired that they go about preaching the remission of sins. Sin is a disease that kills. Should anyone desire to live, then in order to live their disease that kills them must go into remission. Forgiveness of sins is not the issue with the ELOHIM. Forgiveness is a given with THEM as long as sinners were ignorant of their participation in the death of Messiah. Tell me, what is more important to the ELOHIM, is it more important to THEM that THEY forgive our sins or is it more important for THEM to cause our sins to go into remission so that we sinners need not perish, that is, be physically put to death for our sins?

Sometimes, I can hardly believe the things that come out of your mouth, Lucy. You know that sins kill; yet, you have no personal concept of sins. You have concluded that the Law is done away with and no longer valid in your life because your faith tells you that you can live without obedience to the Law all because you obey a higher Law, that is, the Law of life, which for you is very simple and childlike.

The only difference between you and the Christians of this world, Lucy, is that they believe that they can disobey the Law and live after they physically die, and you believe that you can disobey the Law and continue to live without physically dying. Both beliefs are rather simple and childlike.

All in the world physically die because their sins do not go into remission, and right here on this thread is Lucy who believes that she can remain in the disease of sin and yet continue to physically live. Can you explain your simple and childlike faith here, Lucy?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr

you bring forth the fruits of corruption within your own life [as recorded on lo ammi] and as head of your dysfunctional family life.
how would YOU KNOW anything about anything when satan has a strong foothold with your life and of those around you~~~~

you should have learnt the lesson NOT TO THROW STONES, WHEN YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE YOURSELF

YOU have made up your own version of the Gospel and IF christ was really in you YOU WOULD NOT BEAR THE FRUITS YOU DO.
YOU KNOW NOTHING OF MY LIFE nor of how i conduct myself before my saviour and you tell lies and try to debase all i post because CHRIST is not in you but satan under the guise of armstrongism and SDA abound within you.

these are your masters and ofcourse the fruits of this system are very apparent.

how can a man GIVE ANY ADVICE when his whole house is corrupted and destroyed by his own bigotry?????
even your own father saw through you and didnt give you any acknowledgement in his will.....
isnt there a commandment about parents????? oppps didnt obey that hey~~~~ you great big hypocrite.

you apologise to me for your utter rudeness lies and crudeness to me or i will report this forum to the authority for religious abuses.

i can dish it out Spying and i can take it - but when u tell lies about me i put my foot down
apologise or pay the price=~~~~ i dont take crap from cheap sinners lightly.

the life pages in the Spying book of life
.... wow....
hey~~~ and all the while being ''a Christian and churched and associated within a Christian family and framework''
not the heathen lost.

the bio reads....
a former homosexual
a divorced man
defiled children abused and some sent into homes for care.. etc etc etc...
taken to courts of law with charges laid for relations
writes hatefilled letter to former wife.
abuses went on for years no adults seemed to notice distressed children ISNT THERE A LAW ABOUT HURTING CHILDREN AND MILLSTONES AROUND NECKS...???? opps.. did you miss this bit~~~~~
lived off your wife's earnings and failed to provide.[ at some stage of your married life]
opps I forgot you were studying the scriptures hey~~~~

you have clearly revealed your life to all who read here and it is all recorded on these pages as a witness to your ''belief'' and soul condition
wowo
lets us all pray we don't go down your path~~~~into death
oh being such an AUTHORITY ON SINS,...
WHY ARE THEY SO EVIDENT WITHIN YOUR OWN LIFE when you are ''the churched- the christian'' or the bible study guru'' for 70yrs.....who knows everything~~~~~ oppps.
the testimony is not that impressive hey buddy AND NOT AN ''ACCUSION'' but a public self-statement of your life report card

an extremely unimpressive personal roll call for a religious man who claims to understand SIN
...hey... you actually STOP not CARRY ON WITH IT YEAR IN AND OUT

Report it to the hosting company
If the website itself is RELIGIOUSLY ABUSIVE then let the website’s hosting company know.
Hosting companies provide a place where the website sits, and often have rules about what they are willing to host. Let the hosting company know they are hosting a website that breaks their rules, and ask them to stop.
You can find out which company hosts a website by entering their web address on the ‘Who is hosting this?’ website.
You can also contact your own internet supplier to get more information.
APOLOGISE OR.....

[Eliyah]

What was so terrible did Spying Say To you?

Lucy,

i can dish it out Spying and i can take it - but when u tell lies about me i put my foot down
apologise or pay the price=~~~~ i dont take crap from cheap sinners lightly.

you apologise to me for your utter rudeness lies and crudeness to me or i will report this forum to the authority for religious abuses.

What religious abuses did Spying say??

Is this how you get your own way Lucy, by threatening to report them falsely?

Where in Spying's post above, did he say anything bad about you?

[LucySmith]

the whole scam is blown wide open....

now who are the ''former'' self confessed lutherians here




hmmmmmm.....thinking~~~~~ saul/paul was a masonic MASTER BUILDER.... and now today they are all over.~~~~ good one saul~~~~~

good reading~~~joins the dots

http://olivetjournal.com/false-ministries-2-occult-hand-signs/

have no problem asserting that ALL ministries that are very visible and well funded, that are eager to draw people into “movements” and “frenzies,” and that are Zionistic are FALSE. And, that pretty much covers all the ministries we hear and see, doesn’t it? And please do not forget that, as I presented in False Ministries
(1): on YouTube, many seemingly “individually” operating youtubers are also Illuminati-sent actors. Their teaching materials have all the signatures of the Zionist’s agenda and some images are very expensive and sophisticated to make for an independent ministry. It is very likely that they are provided by those who hired them, therefore; they must show their allegiance to their boss with Kabbalistic symbols and signs.
The operation is massive and vast, and the deceivers come in all forms, so that there is a deceiver for every believer.

Furthermore, as mentioned above, they are organized, of course, because they work under one command and for one goal.

Revelation 12:9 NKJV

(9) So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

if you were a true disciple of YESHUA
born again,
repentant and a truth seeker
YOU WOULD NOT HAVE YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS OF continued satanic activity in your life as your testimony that COULD NOT OVERCAME satan. AMEN

[Spying]

The History Of Death!

Hi Lucy,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

This thread is about the purpose of YAHWEH ELOHIM in creating the Man (male & female in union) to rule over this earth as commanded right here:

Genesis 1:28
28 And ELOHIM blessed them, and ELOHIM said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Do you think that it is within the capabilities of mankind to accomplish the above duties? I know I do. Do we automatically know how to accomplish our individual contributions to the above duties? No, we each have to learn, don't we? How do we learn? We learn by experience.

Do you think, Lucy, that YAHWEH ELOHIM enters into the lives of HIS Chosen Ones in order to teach them about HIMSELF? I know I do. To be sure, YAHWEH ELOHIM has revealed HIMSELF to mankind in many and various ways throughout our history, but, even so, the vast majority of men and women do not look at their individual lives and see the activity of the ELOHIM in them. They are clueless concerning these secret things of ELOHIM because of their unbelief. Why do I say "secret things"? I say "secret things" because there do exist a few things about the ELOHIM that are not directly revealed as Moses does say right here:

Deuteronomy 29:29

29 The secret things belong unto YAHWEH our ELOHIM: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

What about physical death? Is physical death one of those "secret things"? I believe it is. It is obvious to me that YAHWEH ELOHIM desired that all men and women experience physical death in their earthly life in order that they might might learn about the nature of death for their future life in the world to come. There is nothing that teaches better than direct experience.

I wonder, do you yourself believe that YAHWEH ELOHIM HIMSELF experienced physical death in HIS history? Did YAHWEH ELOHIM die in HIS past? Can you give answer or explain about this secret thing?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr

[LucySmith]

Spying

we both know of LIFE NOW. OK
this is a BLESSING OF A DIVINE MIRACLE of the highest magnitude.
the highest blessing is TO COME INTO THE KNOWLEDGE OF TH TRUTH.
THE KNOWLEDGE that takes away the IGNORANCE that makes people perish.
yes we also know some have died even knowing of ;;life now;;
2000 people in the world DIE every 12 mins.

Probably most ''believed'' in some form of religion maybe not all.
yet they perished.
THEY FAILED IN THE KNOWLEDGE of the the truth tests.

john3 v 16
was no use too them but each believed in something that made them happy.
[ i.e. to die and go to heaven stuff]

in this REVELATION OF LIFE NOW....the TRUTH SEEKER HAD TO BECOME FILLED WITH KNOWLEDGE on how to remain and survive alive here.

the only way is to WALK LIKE YESHUA... to walk in the same knowledge as Yeshua had.
this is called THE WILL OF THE FATHER..... that is what He did daily.

therefore it is up to me, to walk in the same manner.
this is what i pray to do, and by faith IN HIS workmanship i die daily to my own will.

maybe i dont do it successfully but then I HAVE TO RELY UPON HIS SPEAKING TO ME ABOUT MY DESTINY AND LIVE OUT FROM THIS REVELATION as well....

i know each person is in some type of ''rank'' and i guess they learn how to walk in their own divine rank....
I am in the rank of Melchidezeck.
I did not hear this once nor by imagination or chance, i heard it and hear of it all the time as confirmation to my rank

all Melchidezekians are on the same page and live as i do....by faith of the son of God. [walk by faith and not by sight]

this takes us all out from the vanity effects on humanity and into the invisible and we learn to live out from the invsible.... not vanity

human ''seeing is believing'' is reversed to '' the just shall live by faith'' and ''what is not of faith is sin''
no matter who said these 2 verses they remain the truth of the matter.

the whole concepts of human Thinking are converted into KINGDOM THINKING.
the mind is changed
because the mind is changed our human dna is changed back to its original sequences and into a LIFE BEING HERE.

I AM NOT really too interested in what Father's problems were /are.... He WILL SORT IT OUT..
nor do i ever think ''your life is a picture of father's problems re created here for you too see'' - as you like to suggest.

your life testimony springs from bad choices and lots of selfishness and total irresponsibility towards wife and family and reminds me so much of all those ghastly stories we hear about the male dominions of JWs and Mormons [control freaks] and like ilk ....... and now KARMA is biting your bum
Ofcouse you love to say how stupid my belief is but i dont have a destroyers testimony
infact
i noticed now how Father is bringing those disabled people into my life to give them employments no others will employ.

NOT BAD FOR A STUPID OLD doll HEY.... a lawless freak as u love point out.

I lay myself open to all that Father has to offer me.
I have no record of destruction within my life and testimony

i feel you are a very sad deluded man like elijah c.
HOWEVER =you are the same type of people + 1 of billions of ''believers''
the real probem is....
you quote verses but fail to live in them - IF YOU DID LIVE IN THEM YOUR LIFE WOULD NOT BE ONE OF DESTRUCTION

Yeshua gave advice then lived in it.
THATS THE DIFFERENCE.

if i were you, i would not be too interested in ''the secret things'' but all those small insignificent ordinary things,
a holy person does to help care for others like Yeshua did.
These ''secret things'' are not given to those who cannot do the normal holy kind things towards others first

[Spying]

Elderly And Feeble Parents?

Hi Lucy,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

Shabbat Shalom!

You wrote:

"we both know of LIFE NOW. OK"

Yes, we both know of LIFE NOW, but it does remain to be seen whether or not either of us reaches the level of really knowing LIFE NOW. As we both are aware, others do have and have had a knowledge of LIFE NOW, and some of them have already perished, that is, they have physically died. If those who perished really knew LIFE NOW, they would not have succumbed to physical death unless of course it becomes evident that they like Messiah Yahushua did choose martyrdom for themselves.

You have further asserted:

"the whole concepts of human Thinking are converted into KINGDOM THINKING.
the mind is changed
because the mind is changed our human dna is changed back to its original sequences and into a LIFE BEING HERE.
I AM NOT really too interested in what Father's problems were /are.... He WILL SORT IT OUT..
nor do i ever think ''your life is a picture of father's problems re created here for you too see'' - as you like to suggest."

Please notice above that you openly admit to not being interested in our Heavenly Father's problems. I suspected this attitude in yourself when I asked you on EliYah's thread entitled "The Mystery Of Iniquity Or Lawlessness" this question in my post #1200 to you:

"Now, I just have to ask you, Lucy, what, under the Law, is the obligation of children towards their elderly and feeble parents?
Can you share your love of family in this regard? Oh, how I love being a fruit inspector!"

You never gave me an answer concerning your elderly parents. If you would be so kind, please declare right here whether or not you were interested in your earthly parent's problems? Generally speaking, the physical follows the spiritual. Disinterest in your Heavenly Father's problems would naturally lead to disinterest in your earthly parent's problems. Can you tell us how you were an aid to your elderly and feeble parents as they lived out their lives. Please be exact!

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[LucySmith]

my parents were totally devote to their 3 girls

none could have done more nor loved more nor cared more nor provided more for the 3 daughters.
I LOVE MY DIVINE FATHER, because of the example of my natural Father who was a king among men in my eyes,

i dont have stupid crazy mad ideas Spying, as yourself
and i know i manifest LIFE NOW here daily as a progression into HIS LIFE AND FULLNESS i have a testimony.
my parents NEVER HAD PROBLEMS.... their life was one of care share and happiness.

each day i saw my parents and we had a marvellous relationship
i was protected loved and cared for every day they were alive.
this same care /share has been developed within my own family and we follow the same pattern

i have heaven on earth spying
nothing dysfunctions
my divine father, could not be more thoughtfull towards me, and i praise His name with gratitiude.
i walk by the faith of the Son of |God and i dont use the verses as a religious weapon i cannot live by.

i dont live in your ugly world
i dont live with anger and regrets and sins

i dont live in your religion and its slavery~~~~

i dont live like you nor IAH nor crazy elijah c
men who quote verses and fail to live within them.

wasted lives
wasted ideas
wasted space.

all wrong
but. only Father can change you, i cannot.
you reap what you have sown and for a churched man for 70YRS it is a shame you never learnt how to develop CHRIST inside of you.
say thank you to your pal saul /paul mr. hoary head armstrong and assorted teachers for your plight.
i think you are basically mad with a religious madness of a zealot, rather like a pharisee....they made up their own views and then ordered all people to be like them,
yeshua despised them and cursed them with 7 woes
Yeshua was never nice to such people.
and from your life story HE HAS NEVER BEEN NICE TOO YOU~~~~~you need DELIVERANCE from a religious spirit and other assorted sins
your life story proves you are not even a nice person.

if you believe your world is like Father heaven.... i pray never to harken to such hell.

however only a few find eternal life, therefore the chances of actually meeting the few would be slim.
what would THE FEW BE LIKE?

IF YOU DONT MEASURE UP TO THAT VIEW.... you only have a religion that goes nowhere.