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    Shabbat Shalom Everyone, Messiah Yeshua said these words:

    Mt 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and then He shall reward every man according to his works.
    Mt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom.

    This COMING of Messiah Yeshua's Kingdom is an event that some who were STANDING there, would be able to SEE, prior to them tasting death. Now, was this something that they would SEE happening WITHIN themselves? There are many who think the Kingdom of Messiah comes WITHIN them, and does that teaching merit any consideration in understanding what Messiah was telling His Disciples here? In the very NEXT verses that follow Messiah's prediction (that some would not taste death TILL they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom), you have the majestic event, upon a High Mountain, where Messiah Yeshua is TRANSFIGURED before Peter, James, and John:

    Mt 17:1 And after six days (after His prediction) Yeshua taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
    Mt 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light. This was Peter, James, and John (some who were standing there at His prediction) who witnessed (in a vision - Matt 17:9) the Son of Man COMING in the BRIGHTNESS of His Kingdom - Please consider Paul's statement in 2 Thess 2:8 about the BRIGHTNESS of His Coming.
    Mt 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with Him.

    This Coming of His Kingdom is what they WITNESSED (saw) in a vision, BEFORE they tasted of death.

    Surely, the disciples question to Messiah Yeshua clearly shows this majestic event of Yeshua being transfigured before them with Moses and EliYah, was them SEEING the Kingdom Coming in a VISION:

    Mt 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

    Do you see that? They had just WITNESSED in a vision the Coming of Yeshua in His Kingdom, and they then ask Him the question..."why do the scribes say that EliYah must come first?" Isn't it WRITTEN that EliYah must come BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of Yahweh:

    Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahweh:

    What the Disciples saw was a VISION of that Day, the Coming of the Son of Man IN His Kingdom, and this is why they ASKED the question about EliYah coming FIRST. This event goes hand in hand with Messiah telling the Pharisees and then His Disciples about the Coming of His Day/Kingdom:

    Lk 17:20 And when He was demanded of the Pharisees, when the Kingdom of Elohim should come, He answered them and said, The kingdom of Elohim cometh not with observation:
    Lk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the Kingdom of Elohim is UPON (G1787-in the midst of) you.
    Lk 17:22 And He said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and ye shall not see [it].
    Lk 17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after [them], nor follow [them].
    Lk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one [part] under heaven, shineth unto the other [part] under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in His day. (Remember the vision of the TRANSFIGURATION)

    You see, the Coming of The Kingdom is not observed with signs, for BEHOLD, it will SUDDENLY be in our midst, just as lightning flashing from east to west in the sky. For those who think that Yeshua was trying to tell the Pharisees that the Kingdom was coming WITHIN them, is not grasping the context of what Yeshua was telling them. He was telling them that the Kingdom would be coming SUDDENLY, like lightning (great brightness), in a BLINK of an eye:

    Mt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the Coming of the Son of Man be.

    So please, do not be deceived, His Kingdom is Coming, and it will SUDDENLY be in our midst, as a THIEF in the night:

    1Thes 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the Day of Yahweh so cometh as a thief in the night.

    2Pet 3:10 But the Day of Yahweh will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    Let us ALL be watching and waiting for the Coming of His Kingdom so that we will not be caught unawares, when it SUDDENLY comes UPON us. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols
    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

  • #2
    Indeed true.

    Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shabbat Shalom Everyone, Messiah Yeshua said these words:

    Mt 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and then He shall reward every man according to his works.
    Mt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom.

    This COMING of Messiah Yeshua's Kingdom is an event that some who were STANDING there, would be able to SEE, prior to them tasting death. Now, was this something that they would SEE happening WITHIN themselves? There are many who think the Kingdom of Messiah comes WITHIN them, and does that teaching merit any consideration in understanding what Messiah was telling His Disciples here? In the very NEXT verses that follow Messiah's prediction (that some would not taste death TILL they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom), you have the majestic event, upon a High Mountain, where Messiah Yeshua is TRANSFIGURED before Peter, James, and John:

    Mt 17:1 And after six days (after His prediction) Yeshua taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
    Mt 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light. This was Peter, James, and John (some who were standing there at His prediction) who witnessed (in a vision - Matt 17:9) the Son of Man COMING in the BRIGHTNESS of His Kingdom - Please consider Paul's statement in 2 Thess 2:8 about the BRIGHTNESS of His Coming.
    Mt 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with Him.

    This Coming of His Kingdom is what they WITNESSED (saw) in a vision, BEFORE they tasted of death.

    Surely, the disciples question to Messiah Yeshua clearly shows this majestic event of Yeshua being transfigured before them with Moses and EliYah, was them SEEING the Kingdom Coming in a VISION:

    Mt 17:10 And His disciples asked Him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

    Do you see that? They had just WITNESSED in a vision the Coming of Yeshua in His Kingdom, and they then ask Him the question..."why do the scribes say that EliYah must come first?" Isn't it WRITTEN that EliYah must come BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of Yahweh:

    Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahweh:

    What the Disciples saw was a VISION of that Day, the Coming of the Son of Man IN His Kingdom, and this is why they ASKED the question about EliYah coming FIRST. This event goes hand in hand with Messiah telling the Pharisees and then His Disciples about the Coming of His Day/Kingdom:

    Lk 17:20 And when He was demanded of the Pharisees, when the Kingdom of Elohim should come, He answered them and said, The kingdom of Elohim cometh not with observation:
    Lk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the Kingdom of Elohim is UPON (G1787-in the midst of) you.
    Lk 17:22 And He said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and ye shall not see [it].
    Lk 17:23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after [them], nor follow [them].
    Lk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one [part] under heaven, shineth unto the other [part] under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in His day. (Remember the vision of the TRANSFIGURATION)

    You see, the Coming of The Kingdom is not observed with signs, for BEHOLD, it will SUDDENLY be in our midst, just as lightning flashing from east to west in the sky. For those who think that Yeshua was trying to tell the Pharisees that the Kingdom was coming WITHIN them, is not grasping the context of what Yeshua was telling them. He was telling them that the Kingdom would be coming SUDDENLY, like lightning (great brightness), in a BLINK of an eye:

    Mt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the Coming of the Son of Man be.

    So please, do not be deceived, His Kingdom is Coming, and it will SUDDENLY be in our midst, as a THIEF in the night:

    1Thes 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the Day of Yahweh so cometh as a thief in the night.

    2Pet 3:10 But the Day of Yahweh will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    Let us ALL be watching and waiting for the Coming of His Kingdom so that we will not be caught unawares, when it SUDDENLY comes UPON us. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken
    Greetings Ken, that is a beautiful and truthful post.

    The O.K.J. translators got it wrong in Luke 17:21 as ""within"". This should have been translated as "in the midst of you".

    IF the kingdom was "within" you, then why did Messiah say?And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Luke 11:2; See also Matthew 6:10.

    Beautiful correction indeed.

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    • #3
      Yes, Luke 17:21 is used very much by "deceiving spirits."

      Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
      Greetings Ken, that is a beautiful and truthful post.

      The O.K.J. translators got it wrong in Luke 17:21 as ""within"". This should have been translated as "in the midst of you".

      IF the kingdom was "within" you, then why did Messiah say?And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth. Luke 11:2; See also Matthew 6:10.

      Beautiful correction indeed.
      Thank you Eliyah. When Luke 17:21 is properly understood, there is a lesson taught. Yeshua wants us to understand that when He comes in His Kingdom (remember, He said His Kingdom was not of this world), it well be "suddenly" and "within our midst" like lightening. Yeshua was in no way trying to tell the Pharisees that the Kingdom was "within" them, that is what the deceiving spirits want the gullible to believe so that sinners can remain in their sin and not be prepared for His Coming Kingdom. Yes Eliyah, those who think the Kingdom is "within" them really deny Yeshua's advice on how we should pray, "Thy Kingdom Come," as you have pointed out. And even His Disciples, after ALL of the teaching they received about the Kingdom, asked Him about the Kingdom being restored to Israel at His ascension:

      (Act 1:6-7) When they therefore were come together, they asked of Him, saying, Master, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And He said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

      The Disciples KNEW the Kingdom was Coming and would be RESTORED to Israel, and it is quite clear that Messiah agreed with how they were thinking, as He did not chastise them for asking such a "stupid" question, but told them it was not for THEM to KNOW when this would take place. Here is another verse that speaks about the day and hour of the Kingdom coming:

      Mar 13:32-33 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (33) Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

      If one does not know the day or hour, one should best be a faithful watcher that takes HEED. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew, Ken.
      Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

      Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
      Abstain from meats offered to idols
      (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
      So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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      • #4
        THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is within you - according to Yeshua....

        if you don't have this reality, you are none of His for LIFE ABUNDANT never flourishes in vanity~~~~nor in a man made up church form of religion.


        however....perhaps we should take some advice forget religion and just behave as children of the most high for a change
        http://www.davidpaulkirkpatrick.com/...is-within-you/

        as for not knowing the day and the hour... ofcourse disciples shall.
        [no bride doesn't know when her wedding day is]



        http://www.theopenscroll.com/beyond_veil/knowday.htm
        Will advance knowledge be given about when events will happen in the last days?
        Can we know even the very day of our being gathered to Him?
        I had been taught in no uncertain terms that no one could or would know.
        It took some time for the Lord to convince me otherwise.
        That's right.
        In this study those of you with eyes that see will discover some will know even the day of his coming like a thief!
        Does it matter whether we know?
        Well, only if it mattered at the time of the flood whether or not someone got on the ark with Noah.
        Why would I say such a thing as that?
        Read on.
        Let's consider the scriptural and historical records with an expectation that the Lord will fulfill the following promise.

        But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
        John 14
        Will No One Know..
        Noah Knew And So Can You
        Broad Eternal Truths?

        One of the most widely quoted and misquoted passages these days is Matthew 24:36
        I have heard it many many times over the years from a wide variety of people, and always in the context of meaning that the time of Jesus' coming is a secret that will not be revealed in advance of the events to man, angel or even the Son.
        It is widely believed to be a secret hidden in the Father that will not be revealed.

        No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

        Matthew 24:36

        To interpret the phrase "no one knows" to mean no one "can ever know," or, "will ever know" is just plain wrong.
        Just read what is written
        The popular interpretation is absolutely incorrect.
        This is not a matter of a complicated mistranslation of the Greek but simply a misreading of what is written.
        Those who read it in the Greek misread it in the Greek as well.
        The word "oiden" is a very simple word that is translated "knows."
        Oh, the power of a preconceived idea!

        The other verse used to support the "no one will know" theology is from the first chapter of Acts.


        So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?" 7 He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

        Acts 1:6-7

        It was not for who to know?
        For those who asked the question being answered.
        Can this verse legitimately be interpreted as applying to any other people at any other time?
        Of course not!
        Just be honest about this.
        Is it for you or I to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority?
        Well, if there's an answer to that question it must be found elsewhere because this verse doesn't have anything to say about you and I today.

        Taking an honest look at the two verses that form the basis of the "no one will know" doctrine it should be evident that, standing on their own, they can neither establish unknowability nor knowability.
        However, the Lord has indeed addressed whether or not times and dates are going to be known in advance so I'm going to examine the biblical record as well as give some historical examples.
        The truth we find as we approach the subject honestly and without fear is that the timing is knowable

        - some will know!

        What will also come to light is that knowing the timing of our Lord's coming is a matter of such importance that even the very knowability of the time must be concealed.
        It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.
        Proverbs 25:2

        You might be thinking there must be some other place where a passage supports the popular interpretation - but there isn't.
        It is so simple yet scholar and student alike, year after year, continue to promote the misconception that "no one will know."
        I will address how this can be so later in this study.

        Broad Eternal Truths!

        I'd like to jump right into the book of Amos for a simple and very clear declaration.
        Surely the Sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.
        Amos 3:7

        The above verse is a simple and broad declaration.
        If you accept it literally, the case is made that the Sovereign Lord's servants the prophets will know even the times and dates of his coming.
        To suggest that any subset of knowledge about what the Lord will do will be kept secret from the prophets is to contradict the scripture.
        But that's not a very persuasive argument for some of you, so let's continue.

        Consider the following verse.


        For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.
        Luke 8:17

        You might suppose our Lord was referring to things such as secret sins, but no.
        The context openly declares what kinds of hidden and concealed things he was talking about.


        He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'
        Luke 8:10

        The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God is hidden but this knowledge is intended to be disclosed.
        Are the matters of times and dates excluded in this matter?
        What is there that will not be brought into the open?
        Nothing!
        All that is hidden will be made known.
        The only variables are when and to whom.

        Revealed When and to Whom?

        When and to whom hidden knowledge of times will be revealed is the very subject of what is probably a familiar passage in Daniel 12.


        One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?" 7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time.
        When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed." 8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, "My Lord, what will the outcome of all this be?" 9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked.
        None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
        Daniel 12:6-10

        When the understanding would come is declared to be in "the time of the end," at the time appointed for the unsealing of what had been sealed.
        Those who would understand are "those who are wise."
        This is how it is with all things sealed or concealed.
        A time is appointed for understanding of the secrets to be given.
        None of the wicked will understand, and it is so declared what we see in this moment that some have eyes that see the truth beyond the veil that remains hidden from others.

        I'd like to make a point about what it is like as the wise begin to understand.
        Since that time when words were given but yet closed and no understanding was granted, men did not withhold their views and opinions on these topics.
        Doctrines and traditions have thus been established from out of religious presumption, which are, according to biblical definition, doctrines of demons.
        When understanding comes to the wise, what comes forth will be different, a new understanding.
        My point: If you reject an interpretation on the basis of its novelty, you have been deceived and will remain in darkness.
        We must neither accept nor reject on that basis, but rather each on its own merit must be held up to the Light for His validation by the testimony of what witnesses He brings forward by His familiar way.

        Shine That Light Over Here!

        For you, it may be that time has now come for the Lord to make known to you a very valuable secret of the kingdom of God.
        Before this secret is revealed, one reads Matthew 24:36 and believes only the Father will know when the Lord will come.
        Yet, it is the testimony of this very same passage that declares to the hearing ear - some will know!
        My friend, like a horse can be lead to water but yet cannot be made to drink, I can lead you to this remarkable revelation and point out what I see - but I'm not the revealer of secrets.
        He who has ears to hear, let him hear.
        [email protected]
        http://www.theopenscroll.com/beyond_veil/knowday.htm

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        • #5
          Utter Nonsense Lucy!

          Hi Lucy, it is utter nonsense for you to preach and teach that Yeshua was telling the Pharisees that the Kingdom of Elohim was "within" them. Period!! Ken
          Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

          Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
          Abstain from meats offered to idols
          (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
          So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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          • #6
            the diehards actually do die .............hard

            their 'religion'' closes the door to all divine possibilities
            the religious mind is a serpentine closed mind = blocked off from divine inspiration.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
              Hi Lucy, it is utter nonsense for you to preach and teach that Yeshua was telling the Pharisees that the Kingdom of Elohim was "within" them. Period!! Ken
              well Nicodemus was a ruler of the jews and so was friend Martha both had a Pharisee mindset...
              look at you~~~yourself as a stickler for the 613 laws of Moses....a Pharisee at heart


              however people can change,
              convert and be born again, and ofcourse THEN THE REALITY of the kingdom takes possession

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              • #8
                Really?

                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                their 'religion'' closes the door to all divine possibilities
                the religious mind is a serpentine closed mind = blocked off from divine inspiration.
                Hi Lucy, you know, I had a conversation with Spying today about "some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they SEE the Kingdom of Elohim." I was willing to concede to him that the VISION Peter, James, and John saw was not the ultimate meaning of what Yeshua was trying to convey. That John, who may still be alive, would SEE the Son of Man COMING in His Kingdom, because he has NOT tasted of death. What are your thoughts on this? Ken
                Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                Abstain from meats offered to idols
                (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                • #9
                  excellent..

                  Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
                  Hi Lucy, you know, I had a conversation with Spying today about "some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they SEE the Kingdom of Elohim." I was willing to concede to him that the VISION Peter, James, and John saw was not the ultimate meaning of what Yeshua was trying to convey. That John, who may still be alive, would SEE the Son of Man COMING in His Kingdom, because he has NOT tasted of death. What are your thoughts on this? Ken

                  Dear Ken, we have to come out from our former thinking that has been programmed to fail by satan and his crew.
                  divine true life here has been made void to the pews.... we all suffer from misinformation and not seeking the truth for ourselves.
                  [alas, we have been blinded for so long]



                  YESHUA had a witness from that first group who would never have died, and these saints are able to come in and go out from both realms now.
                  read 1000 times John `11 v 24-25-26 - see EXACTLY WHAT YESHUA WAS SAYING PERSONALLY TO MARTHA HIS FRIEND with a Pharisee mindset,
                  notice the p.e.r.s.o.n.a.l. EXPLANATION that is so necessary to believe because it is imparted into our heart and soul - the kingdom of heaven

                  here is an example to give
                  the pyramids are standing there, and no one knows for sure, what they are or used for and each person has a theory but we all still wonder who built them and why?

                  it is the same with the NT
                  till YOU SEE WITH NEW EYES - THE EXPLANATION OF ALL THINGS YESHUA CAME TO DO.

                  bingo~~~~~~
                  john 11 v 24-25-26 = IS LIKE TELLING US ALL HOW AND WHY THE PYRAMIDS WERE CONSTRUCTED.... amen


                  its time to be unplugged from the dying system.
                  things are not right and we have to recognise this as the Saviour prompts our minds to ''look at the fruits''.
                  the Pauline system of beliefs [ as a set of dogmas etc] has never worked, for it was tainted from pagans and evil - till now it is to be judged and eliminated....
                  it is very difficult to have a changed mind set. [ I do agree]
                  and YES some will know the day as did Elijah, Enoch and Noah....all prepared vessels.

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                  • #10
                    Spiritual Understanding.

                    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                    Dear Ken, we have to come out from our former thinking that has been programmed to fail by satan and his crew.
                    divine true life here has been made void to the pews.... we all suffer from misinformation and not seeking the truth for ourselves.
                    [alas, we have been blinded for so long]



                    YESHUA had a witness from that first group who would never have died, and these saints are able to come in and go out from both realms now.
                    read 1000 times John `11 v 24-25-26 - see EXACTLY WHAT YESHUA WAS SAYING PERSONALLY TO MARTHA HIS FRIEND with a Pharisee mindset,
                    notice the p.e.r.s.o.n.a.l. EXPLANATION that is so necessary to believe because it is imparted into our heart and soul - the kingdom of heaven

                    here is an example to give
                    the pyramids are standing there, and no one knows for sure, what they are or used for and each person has a theory but we all still wonder who built them and why?

                    it is the same with the NT
                    till YOU SEE WITH NEW EYES - THE EXPLANATION OF ALL THINGS YESHUA CAME TO DO.

                    bingo~~~~~~
                    john 11 v 24-25-26 = IS LIKE TELLING US ALL HOW AND WHY THE PYRAMIDS WERE CONSTRUCTED.... amen


                    its time to be unplugged from the dying system.
                    things are not right and we have to recognize this as the Saviour prompts our minds to ''look at the fruits''.
                    the Pauline system of beliefs [ as a set of dogmas etc] has never worked, for it was tainted from pagans and evil - till now it is to be judged and eliminated....
                    it is very difficult to have a changed mind set. [ I do agree]
                    and YES some will know the day as did Elijah, Enoch and Noah....all prepared vessels.
                    Hi Lucy, but why is it that you have little, to no Spiritual Understanding? I get that you have a strong faith. But you lack KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING with the Spiritual Understanding of the Law of Moses. Why is that? Ken
                    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                    Abstain from meats offered to idols
                    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                    • #11
                      because the law of moses is not what it is all about

                      sigh


                      if only I could explain the almost unexplainable
                      I could try I suppose but I don't wish to do it incorrectly because it is so hard to GET IT.... wh?

                      OUR FLESH MIND ALWAYS slips in and spoils it all....
                      sigh and sigh

                      do u want me to have a try IAH?

                      When Yeshua walked this earth all those millenniums ago He revealed an aspect of His godly person which had never been seen in any prior father or prophet or godly man in the history of the motion of God in the earth.
                      Yeshua was able to take “evil” that came against Him into Himself, turn it around, and give it back as “good”.
                      No one previous had ever been able to do that

                      He rules OVER evil.
                      now I have to find an easy way, to tell of this IAH because it is very hard for the old man to grasp successfully amen
                      Last edited by LucySmith; 06-13-2016, 08:35 PM.

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                      • #12
                        2000yrs of pauline system, the law of moses system added to it....what do we have

                        in true reality....

                        so much bible religion year in and year out.... and still on going.
                        so much fruit from 2 systems....

                        IS THERE so little of wars and killing now, we are almost freed from this.
                        IS THERE so little sickness and diseases now, we are free from this
                        IS THERE so little of child abuse and sexual slavery of all kinds, we are freed from such evil
                        IS THERE so little unemployment and social security handouts, we are almost freed from such lack
                        IS THERE, now so few people in jail for crimes, well we are freed from this now

                        what has the law of Moses and Pauline churchianity done to achieve= MEN FREED OR BEING FREED AT A RAPID rate.

                        infact it is the reverse
                        the days of noah!!!!

                        how strange, the 2 systems PRODUCED THE DAYS OF NOAH in the end.

                        why was this so?
                        do you know why these 2 great belief systems [millions adore] are reduced to ''a warning to notice the days of Noah appearing''
                        great beliefs, great infighting, great bible opinions who is right = produced NOAH AND HIS TIME.

                        please go stand in the ''naught corner'' till you learn how to behave biblically.
                        the fruits of your bible actions and beliefs have almost produced Lot and Noah.... satan must be smiling.
                        Dear IAH
                        your belief has reproduced the days of NOAH.

                        your belief in moses and in saul/paul despite your best intentions have the fruits, satan loves
                        do you know where you went wrong?

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                        • #13
                          It was ALL predicted.

                          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                          in true reality....

                          so much bible religion year in and year out.... and still on going.
                          so much fruit from 2 systems....

                          IS THERE so little of wars and killing now, we are almost freed from this.
                          IS THERE so little sickness and diseases now, we are free from this
                          IS THERE so little of child abuse and sexual slavery of all kinds, we are freed from such evil
                          IS THERE so little unemployment and social security handouts, we are almost freed from such lack
                          IS THERE, now so few people in jail for crimes, well we are freed from this now

                          what has the law of Moses and Pauline churchianity done to achieve= MEN FREED OR BEING FREED AT A RAPID rate.

                          infact it is the reverse
                          the days of noah!!!!

                          how strange, the 2 systems PRODUCED THE DAYS OF NOAH in the end.

                          why was this so?
                          do you know why these 2 great belief systems [millions adore] are reduced to ''a warning to notice the days of Noah appearing''
                          great beliefs, great infighting, great bible opinions who is right = produced NOAH AND HIS TIME.

                          please go stand in the ''naught corner'' till you learn how to behave biblically.
                          the fruits of your bible actions and beliefs have almost produced Lot and Noah.... satan must be smiling.
                          Dear IAH
                          your belief has reproduced the days of NOAH.

                          your belief in moses and in saul/paul despite your best intentions have the fruits, satan loves
                          do you know where you went wrong?
                          Hi Lucy, it was ALL predicted. Yeshua said deceivers would come and the love of most would go cold. Paul said that fierce wolves would attack and not spare the flock. Jude said that ungodly men secretly slipped in amoungst them and turned the Grace of Elohim into a license to sin. Peter said that just as there were false prophets within Israel, so there were also false teachers within the Ekklesia.

                          They ALL knew the destruction of the Ekklesia would happen, and that a FALSE, deceived impersonating church would arise, and just as you claim that false church is the result of Paul's words, so also could someone say it is the result of Yeshua's words. They both spoke the Truth, and the Truth was cast down, and the Truth was not LOVED, and as Peter stated of the Beloved Brother Paul, evil men would twist and distort his words, just as they do to the other Scriptures.

                          No Lucy, the beliefs and doctrines of the Ekklesia were carried away and misused by Babylon (she became drunken), and The Apostle Paul and The Law of Moses are not the ones to blame. Ken
                          Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                          Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                          Abstain from meats offered to idols
                          (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                          So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                          • #14
                            the houses built upon the sands....

                            ?are built upon the religion of vanity and shall fall.
                            not many made it out from the wilderness IAH and few find eternal life in the ''church age'''

                            saul/paul was himself a wolf.[ even from the tribe of the wolf]
                            why was this so?

                            he built the house on sands,
                            Yeshua warned but who listened?
                            the MASTER OF ETERNAL LIFE went unheeded by the majority and vanity won.
                            evil was never swallowed up and replaced with good... but as in moses evil was returned for evil.
                            you see IAH very few learnt HOW TO COME OUT FROM VANITY and all its hypnotic flesh powers.
                            only YESHUA TEACHES THE WAY.................................out from.................................. the trance of vanity.

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                            • #15
                              a change of standards....

                              IAH you will never really believe how to escape vanity by living within parts of the law of moses or Pauline churchianity - these 2 systems reveal victims of failure....
                              Yeshua said... ''I am the way'' = the WAY IS A PERSON and this person is not named moses or saul/paul despite everything religious and traditional.

                              the moses and saul belief is one of making victims.
                              Batteries for evil~~~~~~ Neo~~~~

                              the sick the dying the maimed and the murdered - all happen within the belief system of moses and saul/paul.
                              none walking IN THE WAY.

                              vanity prevails, despite the ''knowledge'' of the learned spiritually enlightened.

                              THE WAY ------- TAKES YOU OUT FROM VANITY AND INTO THE KINGDOM -------- here and now.
                              its called ''his appearing '' or '' I come quickly''

                              most laugh over these few words but a disciple never does it for they know it is truth.

                              the victims all jest and refuse Gods best, because they fail THE TEST.

                              WHAT TEST?
                              HOW TO ESCAPE vanity AND DWELL IN THE WAY.
                              you have to come out from ''their boxes'' to think differently because while you remain in the box marked paul and moses... ''they'' rule you NOT THE WAY.
                              you are under the wrong name.

                              as example
                              most people in this world reality believe their nightly news..... ask anyone and they will repeat TV news as truth.
                              yet
                              the fa├žade will crumble
                              as example.....
                              http://wellaware1.com/orlando-shooting-hoax-update/

                              Orlando Shooting HOAX Update

                              by dallasgoldbug, June 14, 2016


                              Questions: Ed how do you figure these out so quickly?

                              Answer: I know the families that are producing these events. When you know who they work with, you know who to look for as per the actors that will be used. When you see, the Senator that is talking about the Orlando Shooting is the artist known for her role on the TV show Good Times, Ester Roll, and her characters name on the show was Florida, who was born and raised in Florida, and you know that show was produced by Norman Lear, who we have identified in several other events such as the Mike Brown Shooting HOAX, and as the billionaire who backed Marco Rubio, his Grandson, you know all you need to about the event. The fact that Norman Lear lives in West Palm so, therefore, this is a Greenberg Lear production which will have all the Greenberg family members in the mix. Which we already identified the so-called shooter as Zach O’Malley Greenberg who I have shown was also the Boston Bomber with his brother who I also have published photos of them along with all their other family members at a family gathering where their cousin Jacob Michael Greenberg (AKA Mark Zuckerfraud) was at as well as their family member Warren Buffett, and Ross Perot.

                              Trust me, this story is not over yet. That wouldn’t be Norman Lear’s style if we didn’t have some twist at the end.

                              Case closed.
                              people all over this world believed this story
                              same with vanity and its heros of religion.
                              it has no strength to stand on its sand and shall fall once the system is exposed.

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