so~~ WHAT is N.O.R.M.A.L.? - Yeshua was NOT ''normal''.

[LucySmith]

saul/paul followers HATE yeshua

why?
because the ''Pharisee spirit'' remains and comes forth out from the '''ex''' Pharisee saul/paul.

Yeshua made it all very clear.
What did He say?
Christ strictly forbade the apostles and by extension every New Testament Christian - seeking any form of headship for themselves or to exercise lordship over the Church, like the kings of the Gentiles.
Neither are they to seek after or receive any title for themselves, or even refer to each other by title.

So much for so-called "papal authority" over the church and the truth be known - Christians cannot mistake what all those Scriptures mean.

In Mt 20:25-28 Yeshua explained that in the world the greatest are those who wield the most power, but in God's Kingdom the greatest are the servants of all, like Jesus Himself (CP Mt 20:26-28; Mk 10:44-45; Lu 22:25-27).
Christ condemns the use of titles in the New Testament church because He does not want His followers to be like the religious leaders of His day.

The use of titles creates a hierarchical system of church government to which Christ is totally opposed.

Mt 23:8 teaches that there is always to be a brotherly relationship between Christians regardless of their ministry gifts, which begs the question:
why would Christ who was so opposed to any form of church government which ranks one Christian above another as the foregoing Scriptures clearly teach, give Peter or saul/paul precedence in authority over all the other apostles and total jurisdiction over the entire church in the earth

Its going against this holy authority saul paul [the infiltrator and spy] has, all manner of clery titles on display - and it is ''normal'' for them.
DONT THEY READ THE NT?
WELL NO its traditional religious thinking and no one can upset that~~~~~

[Eliyah]

why?
because the ''Pharisee spirit'' remains and comes forth out from the '''ex''' Pharisee saul/paul.

Yeshua made it all very clear.
What did He say?
Christ strictly forbade the apostles and by extension every New Testament Christian - seeking any form of headship for themselves or to exercise lordship over the Church, like the kings of the Gentiles.
Neither are they to seek after or receive any title for themselves, or even refer to each other by title.

So much for so-called "papal authority" over the church and the truth be known - Christians cannot mistake what all those Scriptures mean.

In Mt 20:25-28 Yeshua explained that in the world the greatest are those who wield the most power, but in God's Kingdom the greatest are the servants of all, like Jesus Himself (CP Mt 20:26-28; Mk 10:44-45; Lu 22:25-27).
Christ condemns the use of titles in the New Testament church because He does not want His followers to be like the religious leaders of His day.

The use of titles creates a hierarchical system of church government to which Christ is totally opposed.

Mt 23:8 teaches that there is always to be a brotherly relationship between Christians regardless of their ministry gifts, which begs the question:
why would Christ who was so opposed to any form of church government which ranks one Christian above another as the foregoing Scriptures clearly teach, give Peter or saul/paul precedence in authority over all the other apostles and total jurisdiction over the entire church in the earth

Its going against this holy authority saul paul [the infiltrator and spy] has, all manner of clery titles on display - and it is ''normal'' for them.
DONT THEY READ THE NT?
WELL NO its traditional religious thinking and no one can upset that~~~~~

Always diverting away from your erroneous teaching of never seeing the first death huh Lucy???????????????

The only ONES making Paul out to be the leader of the Christian Churches is YOU and your STRANGERS Lucy.

[Eliyah]

What about the apostle Peter as a Christian?

What about the apostle Peter as a Christian?

Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 1 Peter 4:16.

By all means ignore the apostle Peter speaking of a Christian suffering too.

[LucySmith]

behind the religious scenes.....the ugly side few pews see....

I suppose if you were intent in ''locking up the house of knowledge'' and offered up a form of godliness [without the true power of Christ] there would be ''discontent'' within the ranks of your system.
expastors.com



50% of the ministers starting out will not last 5 years.
1 out of every 10 ministers will actually retire as a minister in some form.
And 4,000 new churches begin each year while 7,000 churches close.

The statistics speak for themselves.
Working in ministry – whether you’re a full-time pastor or a lay minister balancing a job and a church – can be challenging.
Families suffer, discouragement and depression – amongst a gamut of other things – runs like a river in the lives of those who sacrifice their own life to the cause of the church.

This is the reason why we started ExPastors.com – as a way to explore the whys behind people leaving the ministry and to provide support and encouragement for those who have left or are considering calling it quits.
Read some articles.
Share your own story. And let the conversation begin.

What’s your story?


if these same EX PASTORS knew the NT advice of Yeshua, they would not have been so messed up and challenged and miserable.
here is the saul/paul religious fruits for a system that is apostate antichrist and filled with flaws.....
these people found out,

[Eliyah]

I suppose if you were intent in ''locking up the house of knowledge'' and offered up a form of godliness [without the true power of Christ] there would be ''discontent'' within the ranks of your system.
expastors.com



50% of the ministers starting out will not last 5 years.
1 out of every 10 ministers will actually retire as a minister in some form.
And 4,000 new churches begin each year while 7,000 churches close.

The statistics speak for themselves.
Working in ministry – whether you’re a full-time pastor or a lay minister balancing a job and a church – can be challenging.
Families suffer, discouragement and depression – amongst a gamut of other things – runs like a river in the lives of those who sacrifice their own life to the cause of the church.

This is the reason why we started ExPastors.com – as a way to explore the whys behind people leaving the ministry and to provide support and encouragement for those who have left or are considering calling it quits.
Read some articles.
Share your own story. And let the conversation begin.

What’s your story?


if these same EX PASTORS knew the NT advice of Yeshua, they would not have been so messed up and challenged and miserable.
here is the saul/paul religious fruits for a system that is apostate antichrist and filled with flaws.....
these people found out,

Lucy, do you think these socalled pasters and ministers called Paul their Christ, or did they call Christ Jesus their Christ??

Again, the only ones calling Paul a leader or a Christ, is YOU and your strangers that you tell others to not listen to.

[Eliyah]

Lucy, do you think these socalled pasters and ministers called Paul their Christ, or did they call Christ Jesus their Christ??

Again, the only ones calling Paul a leader or a Christ, is YOU and your strangers that you tell others to not listen to.

I told YOU, again and again YOU speak out of the both sides of your mouth. A Pharisis huh?

[LucySmith]

these are SINcere men, following another gospel under different advice

Many pastors struggle with depression and discouragement.

70% of pastors constantly fight depression and 50% of pastors feel so discouraged that they would leave the ministry if they could, but have no other way of making a living.

Wait, this is huge. Let’s pause here for a moment.

This means that half of the 1,700 or so pastors who leave the ministry each month have no other way of making a living. Their education and experience is wrapped up solely in the work of the ministry.

So, not only do pastors struggle with their choice to leave ministry, they have to worry about how they are going to feed their families.

Speaking of families, most pastor’s families are negatively impacted.

80% believe pastoral ministry has negatively affected their families. 80% of spouses feel the pastor is overworked and feel left out and under-appreciated by church members.

expastors.com

how odd, the fruits of satanic rulership - from a messy flawed gospel they believed.
you know, how opposite the FOLLOWING OF THE SAVIOUR IS... when only he is our teacher and advisor - THE GOOD SHEPHERD.... never looked after these sheep. alas.
tradition
tradition
corrupts

IT BASICALLY COMES BACK TO CULTURE... THE Pauline CULT.

[Eliyah]

Lucy, do you think these socalled pasters and ministers called Paul their Christ, or did they call Christ Jesus their Christ??

Again, the only ones calling Paul a leader or a Christ, is YOU and your strangers that you tell others to not listen to.

I told YOU, again and again YOU speak out of the both sides of your mouth. A Pharisis huh?

Your own words strangle you again huh Lucy?

[Eliyah]

Lucyfer said in her tagline:

ask yourself why would Yeshua bypass the apostles with this ‘new’ revelation; choosing instead to reveal it to a Pharisee, the sect He called ‘vipers’, Matthew 12:34, and sons of the devil, John 8:44?

A Pharisis in the modern term, John 8:44 is indeed speaking to you is it not??

[Eliyah]

Lucy

When you die the first death, everyone will say """there lays the body of truth"". WHY? Because the truth never came out of her.

[LucySmith]

THE BEST THING, in our best interests is....

simply to leave Pauline churches [the Vatican protestants]
leave traditional religion
leave apostacy
leave the death camps
leave the demonic indoctrinations
WALK AWAY AND BECOME THE UNCHURCHED - then repent, be baptised, and then allow YESHUA TO TEACH YOU - face to face up front and very personally. amen

[don't listen to strangers and their sidekicks. remember they are '' the death camp wardens'']

expastors.com
We’ve all heard the reasons why 1,700 to 2,000 pastors are leaving the pastorate each month in the USA.

Burnout, depression, conflict with a member, lack of income, etc.

However, the reason that’s rarely mentioned is a crisis of conscience.

Countless pastors have concluded that the present form of the pastoral role is not biblical, and God never intended anyone to fill it—especially them.

This article is for the thousands of expastors who knew something wasn’t right with the office they were filling. But they weren’t sure what was wrong or why it was wrong.

We are here to encourage you by announcing (1) you are not crazy (2) there are hundreds of thousands of servants of God who once served as local pastors and felt exactly the same way you did. So fear not.

[Eliyah]

simply to leave Pauline churches [the Vatican protestants]
leave traditional religion
leave apostacy
leave the death camps
leave the demonic indoctrinations
WALK AWAY AND BECOME THE UNCHURCHED - then repent, be baptised, and then allow YESHUA TO TEACH YOU - face to face up front and very personally. amen

[don't listen to strangers and their sidekicks. remember they are '' the death camp wardens'']

I'm all for people repenting of sin/ie transgression of the law 1 John 3:4. Now why don't YOU be the first person to repent here Lucy?

Why do you ask others to do what YOU will not do?

And why do YOU ask others to ""[don't listen to strangers and their sidekicks.]"" when YOU run all over the internet listening to strangers????????????????????

[Eliyah]

Sin is transgression of the law 1 John 3:4.

John wrote:

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4.

John wrote again:

He/She that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8.

Lucy want tell you this, but I will.

[Eliyah]

John wrote:

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4.

John wrote again:

He/She that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8.

Lucy want tell you this, but I will.

Those who teach against God's law is of the devil, John flat out says so.

Does Lucyfer not teach against God's laws on this forum? Ask yourself this question.

[LucySmith]

pastor abusers....

as saul/paul was an abuser, so too are many pastors.
THEY ABUSE THE SHEEP
YET, THE TRUE SHEPHERD never does this but looks after his sheep;

I suppose the reality is so few know their bible and simply not have the holy discernment of common sense to walk away from all religious abusers of humanity