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  • Eliyah
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    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
    why?
    because the ''Pharisee spirit'' remains and comes forth out from the '''ex''' Pharisee saul/paul.

    Yeshua made it all very clear.
    What did He say?
    Christ strictly forbade the apostles and by extension every New Testament Christian - seeking any form of headship for themselves or to exercise lordship over the Church, like the kings of the Gentiles.
    Neither are they to seek after or receive any title for themselves, or even refer to each other by title.

    So much for so-called "papal authority" over the church and the truth be known - Christians cannot mistake what all those Scriptures mean.

    In Mt 20:25-28 Yeshua explained that in the world the greatest are those who wield the most power, but in God's Kingdom the greatest are the servants of all, like Jesus Himself (CP Mt 20:26-28; Mk 10:44-45; Lu 22:25-27).
    Christ condemns the use of titles in the New Testament church because He does not want His followers to be like the religious leaders of His day.

    The use of titles creates a hierarchical system of church government to which Christ is totally opposed.

    Mt 23:8 teaches that there is always to be a brotherly relationship between Christians regardless of their ministry gifts, which begs the question:
    why would Christ who was so opposed to any form of church government which ranks one Christian above another as the foregoing Scriptures clearly teach, give Peter or saul/paul precedence in authority over all the other apostles and total jurisdiction over the entire church in the earth


    Its going against this holy authority saul paul [the infiltrator and spy] has, all manner of clery titles on display - and it is ''normal'' for them.
    DONT THEY READ THE NT?
    WELL NO its traditional religious thinking and no one can upset that~~~~~
    Always diverting away from your erroneous teaching of never seeing the first death huh Lucy???????????????

    The only ONES making Paul out to be the leader of the Christian Churches is YOU and your STRANGERS Lucy.

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  • LucySmith
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    saul/paul followers HATE yeshua

    why?
    because the ''Pharisee spirit'' remains and comes forth out from the '''ex''' Pharisee saul/paul.

    Yeshua made it all very clear.
    What did He say?
    Christ strictly forbade the apostles and by extension every New Testament Christian - seeking any form of headship for themselves or to exercise lordship over the Church, like the kings of the Gentiles.
    Neither are they to seek after or receive any title for themselves, or even refer to each other by title.

    So much for so-called "papal authority" over the church and the truth be known - Christians cannot mistake what all those Scriptures mean.

    In Mt 20:25-28 Yeshua explained that in the world the greatest are those who wield the most power, but in God's Kingdom the greatest are the servants of all, like Jesus Himself (CP Mt 20:26-28; Mk 10:44-45; Lu 22:25-27).
    Christ condemns the use of titles in the New Testament church because He does not want His followers to be like the religious leaders of His day.

    The use of titles creates a hierarchical system of church government to which Christ is totally opposed.

    Mt 23:8 teaches that there is always to be a brotherly relationship between Christians regardless of their ministry gifts, which begs the question:
    why would Christ who was so opposed to any form of church government which ranks one Christian above another as the foregoing Scriptures clearly teach, give Peter or saul/paul precedence in authority over all the other apostles and total jurisdiction over the entire church in the earth


    Its going against this holy authority saul paul [the infiltrator and spy] has, all manner of clery titles on display - and it is ''normal'' for them.
    DONT THEY READ THE NT?
    WELL NO its traditional religious thinking and no one can upset that~~~~~

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  • Eliyah
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    Can't produce that text of scripture can you Lucy?

    Messiah said: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He/She that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Rev.2:11.

    Now, Lucy, show us your messiah's promise in written words of you never seeing the first death?

    Oh can't do it huh Lucy?

    Can't produce that text of scripture can you Lucy?

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  • Eliyah
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    Messiah said: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He/She that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Rev.2:11.

    Now, Lucy, show us your messiah's promise in written words of you never seeing the first death?

    Oh can't do it huh Lucy?

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  • Eliyah
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    Messiah of the scriptures only promises 2 options in the world to come.

    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matt.25:46.

    Those who refuse to repent of sin/transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 are promised everlasting punishment which is the SECOND DEATH Rev.20:14.

    The righteous are promised ETERNAL LIFE.

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  • LucySmith
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    the proof...big business religions produce ugly pews

    and nothing like the LOVE OF YESHUA, NOR, THE LOVE OF BRETHREN.
    each calling other's ''sects'' liars and apostates just as saul/paul did and was called a liar many times by others.-[His strong point was his lying]
    [same old spirit just different faces.]
    the ''sects'' basically hate each other.
    the common theme, when one meets the other is to ask '' what church do you go too'' = oppps.... no love for the brethren there~~~~~if you DARE TO SAY AN OPPOSING SECT.
    Yet, under Yeshua, the ''sign of His Ekklesia'' is ''the love of the brethren'' - because God is love.

    under the saul/paul system LOVE IS NOT PRESENT BUT IT IS A FEAR BASED system and evil is fear dressed up.
    but this unholy mess is all normal to church people.
    they don't see any wrong, and will fight for this system to remain in place.....and condone it as well.

    condoning.....
    THE LUTHERANS in ww2 never had a conscious about killing LUTHERANS from other nations, = ''whats wrong with that''? would be their ''''normal'''' reaction.

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  • Eliyah
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    Messiah said: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He/She that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Rev.2:11.

    Now, Lucy, show us your messiah's promise in written words of you never seeing the first death?

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  • Eliyah
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    Where did the true Messiah of the scriptures, ever promise you an escape from the FIRST DEATH??

    The ONLY DEATH that He promises an escape from is the second death Rev.2:11.

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  • LucySmith
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    satan's helpers promote saul/paul.... as we can ''see'' by

    proving.....

    Saul/Paul heavily influenced the resulting church due to the preservation of his writings, especially after the church canonized his epistles.
    Christianity became a Gentile religion that, following Paul, blended elements of paganism, Judaism, and Jesus.
    This constituted a vast deception in that the church came to see Jesus as Paul saw him, and it is Paul’s Jesus that has come down to us through the church.
    The reformers reformed Paulinism, not the faith of Jesus.


    yet, all this information means nothing to the diehard ''paulines'' as they defend the indefensible corruption to their sorrow.
    the big business religions has to be maintained at all costs.

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  • Eliyah
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    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
    notice the TEACHER, THE SHEPHERD IS YESHUA.................. not millions of strangers from the ''ungodly collection titles of the Christian clergy''
    TITLES TITLES AND MORE TITLES from the saul/paul corrupted theory - all unholy strangers.

    When we look about us in Christendom, we can hardly see the sky for the horde of shepherds, or "pastors" that the church supplies to the world.
    Yeshua designated them as "strangers," and that they bring themselves under condemnation by accepting the designation, "pastor" all in total ignorance of the significance of the Lord's words.


    here is the proof
    yet, the deniers disregard THE SAVIOUR'S information HE IS THE TEACHER/GOOD SHPEHERD TO HIS FLOCK] in favour of a an '''ex''''pharisee indoctrination they cannot give up.....

    the GOSPEL IS CLEAR ON WHO TEACHES IT......................... and it was never given to a titled clery = called strangers.
    When we look about us in Christendom, we can hardly see the sky for the horde of shepherds, or "pastors" that the church supplies to the world.
    It is my position that these are those whom Jesus designated "strangers," and that they bring themselves under condemnation by accepting the designation, "pastor" all in total ignorance of the significance of their Lord's words.


    you cannot get it more plainer than that?
    so who are those who promote STRANGERS?
    there is only 1 conclusion - satan's helpers.
    Lucy, all these denominations have also misinterpreted MESSIAH'S written word too, and each one of them promotes their own messiah, the same as you promote your own messiah too.

    What makes your messiah any different? Is it because you believe your never going to die the first death??

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  • LucySmith
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    the failure of the system is because....STRANGERS are in control.

    notice the TEACHER, THE SHEPHERD IS YESHUA.................. not millions of strangers from the ''ungodly collection titles of the Christian clergy''
    TITLES TITLES AND MORE TITLES from the saul/paul corrupted theory - all unholy strangers.

    When we look about us in Christendom, we can hardly see the sky for the horde of shepherds, or "pastors" that the church supplies to the world.
    Yeshua designated them as "strangers," and that they bring themselves under condemnation by accepting the designation, "pastor" all in total ignorance of the significance of the Lord's words.


    here is the proof
    yet, the deniers disregard THE SAVIOUR'S information THAT HE IS THE truth TEACHER/GOOD SHEPHERD TO HIS FLOCK as they remain in favour of an '''ex''''pharisee indoctrination they cannot give up.....

    the GOSPEL IS CLEAR ON WHO TEACHES IT......................... and it was never given to a titled clery = called strangers.
    When we look about us in Christendom, we can hardly see the sky for the horde of shepherds, or "pastors" that the church supplies to the world.
    It is my position that these are those whom Jesus designated "strangers," and that they bring themselves under condemnation by accepting the designation, "pastor" all in total ignorance of the significance of their Lord's words.


    you cannot get it more plainer than that?
    so who are those who promote STRANGERS?
    there is only 1 conclusion - satan's helpers.

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  • Eliyah
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    This 13th apostle is your or your STRANGERS words, not Paul's written words.

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  • Eliyah
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    Where did Paul claim he was a 13th apostle?

    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
    ''the great apostle paul'' - they cry.
    never knowing the truth.....
    Paul was allowed to do what he did because he is the antichrist.
    He is the one who presents the whole world with the "anti:" the choice between LIFE and DEATH.


    the '''ex'''' Pharisee running true to Pharisee form LOCKED UP the house of knowledge.......as proven by 2000yrs of failure to birth anyone out as a true and anointed Minister in the ways of Yeshua.
    the diehards need to stop drinking their morning denial juices.

    I suppose the diehards will be judged as ''antichrist'' too.....by agreeing with the ''my gospel'' of paul.
    [now that is a worry]
    Lucy,

    Where did Paul claim he was a 13th apostle? Please, show everyone on this forum, where Paul wrote, that he was the 13th apostle as YOU say?????????????????

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  • LucySmith
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    the ''normal'' church view of the 13th apostle

    ''the great apostle paul'' - they cry.
    never knowing the truth.....
    Paul was allowed to do what he did because he is the antichrist.
    He is the one who presents the whole world with the "anti:" the choice between LIFE and DEATH.


    the '''ex'''' Pharisee running true to Pharisee form LOCKED UP the house of knowledge.......as proven by 2000yrs of failure to birth anyone out as a true and anointed Minister in the ways of Yeshua.
    the diehards need to stop drinking their morning denial juices.

    I suppose the diehards will be judged as ''antichrist'' too.....by agreeing with the ''my gospel'' of paul.
    [now that is a worry]
    the satanic mindset is tattoo-ed on like a mark of evil- and only THE SAVIOUR AND HIS GOSPEL can break off such strongholds of indoctrination

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  • Eliyah
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    Do you really think I don't know what you are doing?

    Lucy,

    Do you really think I don't know what your really doing? You speak out of both sides of your mouth, you criticize the Jesus=Yeshua of churchanity including Paul, and then, you turn around and promote a YESHUA to people on this forum.

    I know what you do Lucy. You really think you can hide this from me?

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