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    Ever since ONE PERSON has come out and accused thee apostle or disciple Paul of being false, it has grieved the Holy Spirit in me, that I must point out some internal scriptural evidence that will prove, thee apostle Paul was NOT a false Disciple of Messiah. However, we will soon SEE if this ONE PERSON will break their word, and tell us another LIE, because the devil is a liar, and his very name means thee accuser, and the devil cannot resist speaking evil of the word of Elohim.

    Here below are a couple of examples of internal scriptural evidence that will prove that Paul was NOT false, maybe KEN and SPYING can also present some internal scriptural evidence that will shed some light on this truth too.

    Messiah said:Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7:16,20.

    Messiah also speaks of these FRUITS here in a parable: Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. Matthew 21:33-34.

    The apostle Paul wrote this:The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits. 2 Timothy 2:6.

    Paul also wrote:Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Yah-Shua Messiah, unto the glory and praise of Elohim. Phil. 1:11.

    (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth Ephesians 5:9.

    The apostle James wrote: But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. James 3:17-18.

    There is just no way Paul could have known or understood these things, unless the Holy Spirit and Messiah was within him.

    This next ONE is very difficult to SEE for many, and the reason I have chosen these texts, is to prove the point for those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear.

    Messiah said:Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is (the) truth... Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; John 17:17-20.

    Paul wrote: For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of Elohim in truth: Col.1:5-6.

    Paul also wrote: For this cause also thank we Elohim without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of Elohim which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of Elohim, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. 1 Th. 2:13.

    Study to shew thyself approved unto Elohim, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tim.2:15.

    The apostle James wrote: Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. James 1:18.

    There is NO WAY Paul could have known thy word is the truth unless he was taught this by Messiah.

    HalleluYAH!

    E.C.

  • #2
    Another ONE.

    Another text that will prove the point.

    Messiah said:But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 10:33.

    Paul wrote:If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 2 Tim.2:12.

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    • #3
      Hi Lucy, you quoted this from someone else:

      The error here is in understanding what the Greek word Apostle means:

      (Mt 10:5) Yeshua sent these twelve out, and commanded them, saying, “Don’t go among the Gentiles, and don’t enter into any city of the Samaritans.

      But look here, didn't Yeshua and the Holy Spirit do the same with The Apostle Paul, and SEND him:

      Acts 13:2-4

      (2) As they ministered to Yahweh, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.
      (3) And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid [their] hands on them, they sent [them] away.
      (4) So they (Barnabas and Paul), being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus.

      (Acts 22:21) And He said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.

      (Acts 26:17) Delivering thee from the people, and [from] the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

      Lucy, do not these Holy Scriptures CLEARLY show that The Apostle Paul was SENT by Yeshua and the Holy Spirit to TESTIFY just as the OTHER Apostles were sent to testify? Why do you continue to deny these very CLEAR Scriptures concerning Paul's Apostleship?

      It's as if YOU would deny Yeshua's Apostleship:

      (Heb 3:1) Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider The Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Messiah Yeshua;

      Was not Yeshua ALSO Sent:

      (Jn 20:21) Then said Yeshua to them again, Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent Me, even so send I you.

      So cannot you see that the Temple has MORE foundation stones than just 12, a CornerStone, the Chief Apostle, and even additional Apostles, born out of time. Why do you fight against and accuse those whom Yeshua has Chosen to send? Ken
      This is indeed true Ken.

      Messiah said:And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent=G649-G652. Luke 4:43.

      Who SENT Messiah the Chief Cornerstone? YAHWEH ELOHIM THE FATHER! John 5:36.

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      • #4
        To the hidden helper in the shadows.

        Greetings Ken, you asked:
        Why do you fight against and accuse those whom Yeshua has Chosen to send?
        She has a little hidden helper that interprets to her what we say.

        This is to the little hidden helper in the shadows: Why don't YOU come out of the shadows and post, instead of coaching someone else to do your dirty work for you?

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        • #5
          Paul never said or wrote that he was one of the original twelve Apostles.

          So there is NO case against him, and please keep ignoring this as evidence too?

          Also, make note of the size and length of the foundation stones here...https://www.google.com/search?q=What...lz=&gws_rd=ssl Rev.21:16

          Also, I wonder IF anyone truly believes the Apostle Peter's words here: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 Peter 1:23????

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          • #6
            Peter and Paul was sidekicks.

            Here below is another piece of evidence, that Peter and Paul were BROTHERS or SIDEKICKS in the same faith.

            I will first quote the apostle Peter:

            And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:15-16.

            Let's let the record show here, that Peter did indeed read and acknowledge Brother Paul's Epistles or Letters in this statement ABOVE.

            The Judge Asks: Sir, do you have any written proof of record that Peter did indeed read Paul's Epistles or Letters as he said he did?

            Yes indeed, your HONOR, I would like to present this piece of evidence written by the Apostle Peter in the same Chapter a few verses above, where the apostle Peter quotes from his Brother Paul:

            But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10.

            Your HONOR, I would like for YOU to notice this statement made by the apostle Peter: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night

            Now, your HONOR, I would like to point out just which Epistle that Peter quoted from of his Brother Paul:

            For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

            Now, your HONOR, I would like to submit a second piece of evidence of the same:

            Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 2 Peter 3:3.

            This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves 2 Timothy 3:1-2.

            Your HONOR speaks: Well sir, you do indeed have the written record of evidence that Peter did indeed quote from his Brother Paul, and it seems to me, they were sidekicks after all.

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            • #7
              Undeniable proof paul was an apostle.

              The Apostle Peter wrote:That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:... And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 2 Peter 3:2-16.

              The Apostle Peter calls PAUL an APOSTLE!!!

              Your HONOR speaks: Well done sir, I think this case is closed!

              Thank YOU your HONOR YAHWEH!
              Last edited by Eliyah; 05-08-2016, 01:06 PM.

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              • #8
                Three Scriptures and Witnesses.

                Luke wrote: But the multitude of the city was divided: and part held with the Jews, and part with the apostles.... Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, Acts 14:4-14.

                The Apostle Peter wrote: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:... And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:2-16.

                The apostle Peter included Paul as an apostle with them-the apostles, and Peter put Paul's writings on par with the other scriptures too.

                We NOW have 3 scriptures and witnesses.

                Messiah said: Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Matthew 18:15-16; See also Deuteronomy 17:6; 19:15.

                These witnesses will judge those in the end for ignoring these texts of scriptures. Rev. 20:11-12.

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                • #9
                  What "BOOKS" Will Judge Everyone In The End?

                  What "BOOKS" Will Judge Everyone In The End?

                  And G2532 I saw G1492 the dead, G3498 small G3398 and G2532 great, G3173 stand G2476 before G1799 God; G2316 and G2532 the books G975 were opened: G455 and G2532 another G243 book G975 was opened, G455 which G3739 is G2076 the book of life: G2222 and G2532 the dead G3498 were judged G2919 out of G1537 those things which were written G1125 in G1722 the books, G975 according to G2596 their G846 works. G2041 Revelation 20:12; See also Daniel 7:10.

                  And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

                  http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...he+books&t=KJV

                  Let's look at Greek word number G975: βιβλίον biblion A diminutive of βίβλος (G976)

                  Let's look at G976:βίβλος

                  This is where the word "Bible" comes from.

                  Etymology. The English word Bible is from the Latin biblia, from the same word in Medieval Latin and Late Latin and ultimately from Koine Greek τὰ βιβλία ta biblia "the books" (singular βιβλίον biblion).

                  https://www.google.com/search?q=Wher...lz=&gws_rd=ssl

                  I wonder what people will tell the ALL MIGHTY at Judgment? Will they tell Him His WORD was corrupted??? Because the "Bible" from Gen. to Rev. will Judge YOU in the end.

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                  • #10
                    But of course Judgment begins with those of us NOW 1 Peter 4:17.

                    What do we judge ourselves by? The Bible of course! And IF we don't, IT will judge us in the end.

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                    • #11
                      Messiah said: Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Matthew 18:15-16; See also Deuteronomy 17:6; 19:15.

                      And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen person and a publican.

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                      • #12
                        The Apostle Peter wrote:That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:... And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 2 Peter 3:2-16.

                        The Apostle Peter calls PAUL an APOSTLE!!!

                        Your HONOR speaks: Well done sir, I think this case is closed!

                        Tell us Lucy, does Peter's words NOT count as evidence?

                        http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Pe&c=3&t=KJV#2

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                        • #13
                          Does the apostle Peter's words NOT count as evidence?

                          The Apostle Peter wrote:That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:... And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 2 Peter 3:2-16.

                          The Apostle Peter calls PAUL an APOSTLE!!!

                          Hear say evidence is NOT allowed in a courtroom from OTHER PEOPLE out side the courtroom Lucy, this is NOT allowed in YOUR COUNTRY or MINE!

                          See here...http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/...0/hearsay-rule

                          You have no case, unless you use a direct witness from the Bible itself, they were the eyewitnesses, and they wrote it down as proof.

                          Did these people your quoting from on the internet eyewitness the Bible being written?

                          A literal Kangaroo Court?

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                          • #14
                            Does the apostle Peter's words NOT count as evidence?

                            The Apostle Peter wrote:That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:... And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 2 Peter 3:2-16.

                            The Apostle Peter calls PAUL an APOSTLE!!!

                            Hear say evidence is NOT allowed in a courtroom from OTHER PEOPLE out side the courtroom Lucy, this is NOT allowed in YOUR COUNTRY or MINE!

                            See here...http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/...0/hearsay-rule

                            You have no case, unless you use a direct witness from the Bible itself, they were the eyewitnesses, and they wrote it down as proof.

                            Did these people your quoting from on the internet eyewitness the Bible being written? No!

                            A literal Kangaroo Court?

                            Maybe you need to contact your little person in the shadows to come help you interpret this for you?

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                            • #15
                              Does the apostle Peter's words NOT count as evidence?

                              The Apostle Peter wrote:That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:... And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 2 Peter 3:2-16.

                              The apostle Peter also said:For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 1 Peter 1:16.

                              The Apostle Peter calls PAUL an APOSTLE!!!

                              Hear say evidence is NOT allowed in a courtroom from OTHER PEOPLE out side the courtroom Lucy, this is NOT allowed in YOUR COUNTRY or MINE!

                              See here...http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/...0/hearsay-rule

                              You have no case, unless you use a direct witness from the Bible itself, they were the eyewitnesses, and they wrote it down as proof.

                              Did these people your quoting from on the internet eyewitness the Bible being written? No!

                              A literal Kangaroo Court?

                              Ignore this text of scripture by Peter too, want you?

                              Maybe you need to contact your little person in the shadows to come help you interpret this for you?

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