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  • #76
    i guess IAH you remain In carnal minded religion and imperfect

    and I remain IN life eternal as a new and living creation...
    why not ask Spying, get HIM to tell you THE TRUTH of the power of the resurrection....do a brother to brother interchange and LIVE LIFE HERE


    but in a nutshell. [IF YOU HAVE EARS TO HEAR]


    John the 11 chapter records a witness of the power of life that is resident in our SAVIOUR
    The dominion power of the Father is demonstrated by the Son of God that we might hear these words of life and believe for everlasting life.
    This chapter tells the story of a sick friend, Lazarus of Bethany, and his two sisters, Mary and Martha.
    They were devout believers in the word of God.
    They had received the good news that Yeshua is the Son of God, and they believed the gospel message He preached.
    Jesus was their friend.
    The scriptures record that Jesus loved them.

    When Lazarus became sick, Mary and Martha sent a message to Jesus asking Him to come. Jesus told His disciples that this sickness was not unto death, but was for the glory of God. The Son of God was going to be glorified through it. John 11:4.
    Sometimes sickness is the result of sin, but not always.
    This sickness was going to be used to demonstrate the dominion power of our Saviour
    He is Lord over sickness and death.
    We rejoice in the "law of life" evidenced in Him.
    He is both the resurrection and the life.
    He has the power to raise the dead, and He has the power to keep us in life.

    THE WORK OF GOD IS TO BELIEVE IN HIM WHOM HE SENT. John 6:29.

    He who formed us from the dust of the earth had a plan.
    He planned to bring forth sons and daughters in His image.
    He breathed the breath of life into Adam.
    The first Adam was made a living soul, but the last Adam, Jesus, was made a quickening spirit.
    We all need this life quickening.

    Yeshua said, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this???" John 8:51.
    Yeshua says that even if you do die, you shall live.
    Resurrection life is available to all who die in Christ.
    Before YESHUA raised Lazarus from the dead, resurrection power in the present tense.

    It seems that most people go by way of the grave, but that is not Abba's best.
    Yeshua taught resurrection life as well as life that death cannot destroy, everlasting life.
    He says that whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die.
    DO YOU BELIEVE THIS???
    John 8:51.



    Life and judgment and justification are through the Son because our Holy Father has committed these to His Son, our justification and our restoration.
    All judgment is committed to Yeshua, but He says that it is His WORD that will judge us. He also teaches in scripture that the saints will judge the world.

    The work of God is to believe in Him (Yeshua) whom He (The Father) sent. John 6:29.
    Yeshua says, "And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die." "DO YOU BELIEVE THIS???"
    It is the will of our Father that everyone who sees the Son and Believes in Him may have everlasting life. "
    If anyone keeps My WORD he shall never see death." John 8:51.

    There is a generation chosen to believe and to walk in everlasting life.
    The fruit of the Holy Spirit will be evidenced in this people.
    They are a people of covenant and are willing to judge themselves and lay aside their carnal, sinful nature.
    They desire, have hope, to receive the fullness of the Christ anointing.
    They seek the nature of the Father and the Son.
    They love God with all their heart and soul and mind and strength.
    Their motives are righteous and Christ centered, they take on the mind of Christ, and are Spirit led.
    They are yielded and obedient to His will.
    These are they who say "Your will be done, O LORD."




    The function of the soul is to receive the engrafted word from the spirit.
    The soul being feminine conceives life.
    The soul considers or contemplates, it meditates upon the word of life.
    Some produce thirty fold, some sixty fold, and some one-hundred fold.
    Hope brings vision, the imaging, of the kingdom of God.
    Faith works with hope to bring forth the end result, which is the adoption of our bodies.

    We are translated out of the kingdom of darkness when we enter the salvation, passover realm.
    We are transformed as we receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit and enter the realm of Pentecost.
    We are changed, transfigured as we enter fully into Tabernacles.
    Tabernacles speak of us being filled with the fullness of His presence, the hope realized.
    Faith without hope has no blue print or plan.

    It is by faith that we begin to praise God for restoring our garments of life, light and glory.
    "The saints and the elect have arisen from the earth, and have been clothed with the garment of life. That garment of life is with the LORD of spirits, in whose presence your garment shall not wax old, nor shall your glory diminish."
    Enoch 61: 18.

    "The saints shall exist in the light of the sun, and the elect in the light of everlasting life, the days of whose life shall never terminate (end), nor shall the days of the saints be numbered who seek for light, and obtain righteousness with the LORD of spirits." Enoch 56:2-3.

    "He who hears my word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
    Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live." John 5:24-25.

    consider....
    "Then behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split.
    And the graves were opened;
    and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many,"
    Mathew 27: 51-53. (Adam, Seth, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Samuel, David, Daniel, Deborah, Huldah, etc.)

    Yeshua took Adam by the hand and led him out of death, hell, and the grave.
    He led Adam back into the Garden with all those who had died in faith.
    Adam had a covenant with God for total redemption and restoration that could not be broken.
    When God gives His word it can not be changed.
    His covenant stands, abides, and endures. This all took place at Yeshua's resurrection.



    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish (die) but have everlasting life. John 3:16. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS???
    This scripture says if we believe in Him we will not perish.

    That word "perish" means die.
    We shall not die.
    What an exciting concept, that we will not die, because we believe in the Son of God.

    May God strengthen our faith so that we can receive the fullness of this glorious promise, everlasting life--- spirit, soul and body.
    Through His love for us He provides His abundant life.

    Yeshua taught His disciples to pray that the Father’s kingdom come to earth, that His will be done in earth as it is in Heaven.
    Yeshua is returning to earth with the resurrected saints that are already in Heaven.
    We who remain will be caught up (raised to a spirit awareness) that we have been groaning for.
    We are to be changed, transfigured right here on earth in the air.
    The only place we find air is on earth.
    Praise God for those who are truly Jacob’s descendants and want their inheritance, which is a transfigured body on the earth.
    Our personal earth and the earth, all creation is to be restored.
    Father God is love, He never leaves or forsakes His faithful ones.

    The law of the Spirit of Life is stronger, it supercedes, the law of sin and death.
    Yeshua frees us from the law of sin and death.
    We pass from death to life in Christ.
    The power of His shed blood made the perfect atonement.
    The blood of bulls and goats, and the ashes of the heifer are surpassed in cleansing power by the blood of Jesus. Hebrews 9:11-15.


    "He who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life." John 5:24.
    Gracious Father,

    Open our ears to hear the wondrous truths from your Holy
    Word, words of life.
    Help us be obedient and walk in Your Holy Spirit.
    Increase us in faith, hope, and love that we may be changed, transfigured
    taking on the garments of life.

    In Yeshua's name, Amen.


    now IAH I do know you will have a great objection - if you do - you are NOT OF HIS EKKLESIA as all those disciples are on the same page and are ''death fighters'' amen

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    • #77
      Lucy, where are the laws of Elohim called the law of vanity in the new testament?

      Hebrews 8:10 says... For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

      Hebrews 10:16 says...This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; See also Jeremiah 31:31-33.

      Lucy, what is THE INCORRUPTIBLE SEED to be born of???

      Peter said in 1 Peter 1:23: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of Elohim, which liveth and abideth for ever.

      Make note Lucy, the apostle Peter said, that the word of Elohim is incorruptible seed. So the word of Elohim is NOT corrupted either.

      Messiah said in a parable : Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of Elohim. Those by the way side are they that hear (the word of Elohim); then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word (of Elohim) out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

      They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word (of Elohim) with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

      And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard (the word of Elohim), go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

      But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word (of Elohim), keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. Luke 8:11-15; See also Matthew 13:18-23.

      Make note Lucy, those who do NOT do or obey the word of Elohim, they bring no fruit to perfection.

      What else is the gospel or mystery of the kingdom Lucy?

      Messiah said:And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of Elohim: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:... The sower soweth the word (of the kingdom). And these are they by the way side, where the word (of the kingdom) is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word (of the kingdom) that was sown in their hearts.

      And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word (of the kingdom), immediately receive it with gladness And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

      And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word (of the kingdom), And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

      And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word (of the kingdom), and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred. Mark 4:14-20.

      Make note Lucy, the word of the kingdom, and the word of Elohim are the ONE and the same, and those who obey and do THE WORD, are those who bring forth FRUIT.

      So Lucy, is it not doing the word of Elohim that brings forth good fruit? Lucy, do you believe these red words ABOVE of the true Messiah?

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      • #78
        the word B.E.L.I.E.V.E.

        is a doing word
        inside this word is another 2 words -live and lie

        INSIDE one of these word the V IS MISSING - lie

        you can believe and live
        or
        you can LIVE THE LIE....
        it all depends upon the V you live within

        to continue to be a VICTIM and die because you believe in a lie
        or
        TO CONTINUE TO LIVE inside a VICTORY WALK over the power of our last enemy- death.

        the bad news is A VICTIM
        the goodnews is VICTORY

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        • #79
          the bad news was...

          The law of moses did not work...despite protests here on lo ammi to the contrary. Moses died the whole system died in 70ad and cannot be resurrected. Infact recent modern investigaions into mose seem to prove he was a myth and there is no evidence of 2 million people journeying all round the desert is another myth as nothing has ever been found as evidence to this story.

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          • #80
            the bad news was...

            The law of moses did not work...despite protests here on lo ammi to the contrary. Moses died the whole system died in 70ad and cannot be resurrected. Infact recent modern investigaions into Moses seem to prove he was a myth and there is no evidence of 2 million people journeying all round the desert is another myth as nothing has ever been found as evidence to this story.

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            • #81
              the goodnews is...............a heart 4 God.

              Today mankind frequently associates the term Sabbath with a day that occurs once a week in which physical work is not performed.
              This is viewing Sabbath on a purely physical plane, and it leads to many false understandings.

              When one understands Sabbath aright they will understand that a person can be in a state of complete rest before God while physically they appear to be laboring.

              The Jews did not understand this so they condemned Yahshua and His disciples as Sabbath breakers.
              The Jews saw Yahshua’s disciples threshing grain in their hands on the Sabbath day and they condemned them for it (Matthew 12:1-8).

              Similarly they condemned Yahshua for healing on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10-14).

              The problem for the Jews then is the same problem many have in Christianity today.
              Men look at things outwardly, on the surface, without discerning what it is that God is intending.
              Yahweh desires that all men come to a state of rest before Him.
              He desires that men should cease from their own labors and that they only do the things He leads them to do.

              Math 11 v 28-29-30

              Yeshua desires for man to come to an end of personal initiative; for man to set himself to do nothing that arises from his own soul.
              This is the Sabbath that He desires.
              Yahshua proclaimed that He was Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8)
              His whole life was an example of true rest before the Father.

              heart4god.~

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              • #82
                the GOODNEWS for some.............. is the....................

                Hidden Manna

                The ultimate purpose and will of Father is to experience Himself in flesh form – not just in the body of an individual Son as He manifested himself in Yeshua – but in a multi-membered body; a body not limited by the dimensions of time and space as Yeshua was.
                In Yeshua the Father could only be incarnated in one place at a time.
                In His Ekklesia, His incarnation can be a 100-fold.
                The means to accomplish this divine purpose is through the mystery of the Word.

                Although Yeshua conquered death, hell and the grave for all men, we enter into our inheritance only through the preaching of revelation truth that goes beyond the common-sense, carnal understanding of the Word.

                The Word starts to become flesh in us and we are born again as we receive the revelation of the kingdom in our spirit man and we begin to “see” the kingdom of God.
                The birth of the spirit man must be nourished by the milk of the Word, which provides the groundwork from which God builds His edifice in us.
                Even at the milk stage, the mind of man must be anointed by the spirit of God in order to grasp the meaning of the Word.

                To understand the Word as God intended it to be understood, the believer must be filled with the same christ spirit that was and is In Yeshua.
                Only the Spirit of God in us can search the deep things of God.


                To enter the realm beyond the veil, the believer must move from the milk of the Word to the meat of the Word, which is typified by the manna that was hidden in the ark of the covenant contained in the Holy of Holies.
                This is the part of the temple that was not illuminated by either natural light (the human understanding of the carnal mind) or candlelight (the light of the Church) and from which all were excluded except the High Priest (Sons of God).

                Once His Believers become aware of the availability of this realm, the factors that hold them back are precisely those aspects that are typified by the darkness and exclusivity of the physical Holy of Holies.
                The process of acquiring this hidden manna and unlearning the doctrine of death will relegate the believer to a place -- socially, emotionally, spiritually and psychologically -- of isolation, not only from the rest of the body of Christ, but also from the human frame of reference.

                It is a spiritual no-mans-land or wilderness where God tries the faith and courage of His Sons.
                It is the place outside the camp where we go forth unto Him bearing His reproach.
                But for all those who travel this path that no fowl knoweth, rest assured that it will be said of them (Song of Solomon 3:6 & 8:5):

                Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense, with all powders of the merchant….Who is this that cometh up from the wilderness leaning on her beloved?


                the revealing as shown....
                *The process of acquiring this hidden manna and unlearning the doctrine of death will relegate the believer to a place -- socially, emotionally, spiritually and psychologically -- of isolation, not only from the rest of the body of Christ, but also from the human frame of reference.
                *The process of acquiring this hidden manna and unlearning the doctrine of death will relegate the believer to a place -- socially, emotionally, spiritually and psychologically -- of isolation, not only from the rest of the body of Christ, but also from the human frame of reference.
                *The process of acquiring this hidden manna and unlearning the doctrine of death will relegate the believer to a place -- socially, emotionally, spiritually and psychologically -- of isolation, not only from the rest of the body of Christ, but also from the human frame of reference.

                the references above - to follow Yeshua only ONE FLOCK ONE SHEPHERD. - HE WILL WALK YOU INTO Math 11 v 28-30 and how to receive THE DIVINE FIX IT mind set.
                there is NO other way Math 11 v28-29-30 - the NARROW WAY that stops all carnal minded self righteous/ self development and religious works.

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                • #83
                  the BAD NEWS IS saul/paul and his hatred of women

                  ofcourse the apostate church loves this 13th apostle and his very confused rants, especially within the ''church'' setting.... enough fruits there to WALK AWAY FROM this cesspool.
                  http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/fir...-of-submission
                  they even write about these shortcomings -



                  http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/fir...domestic-abuse

                  yes indeed the Pauline confusion sure has ruined many lives, = I often wonder where common sense begins and satanic domination ends?


                  Eternally Unforgiven: St. Paul’s View of Women and Its Influence on the Rest of the New Testament

                  By Harry H. McCall at 2/06/2008


                  Apart from the four Gospels, Paul’s theology of women forms the main historical and theological reason women have suffered for their gender under conservative evangelical Christianity…a theology which has suppressed Christian women for two thousand years.


                  A case in point here is what has happened in the largest conservative evangelical Protestant body in the United States - the Southern Baptist Convention, which is, in all likelihood, going to elect the very conservative Dr. A. Albert Mohler, Jr. (Now president of their Southern Seminary in Louisville, Ky.) as its next convention president this summer. Also, Under the leadership of Paige Patterson (President of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Dallas Texas) the Southern Baptist have forced out all women professors in their seminaries following the Biblical command drawn especially from the Pauline corpus in the New Testament that demands that women are to be second class humans and totally submissive to men. In light of this fact, it’s time to review this evangelical denomination’s view of women as they under stand their roll in the New Testament.

                  To understand the position of the Southern Baptist Convention on this issue, one needs to understand the Apostle Paul and his theology of women as drawn form the Old Testament; mainly Genesis 2: 21 – 3: 24.

                  For the Jewish Saul turned Christian and renamed Paul (Acts 13), only men are created in the image of God as a literal reading of Genesis 2: 21 – 24 makes clear. From this Hebrew text, we find that women were made, not in the image of God, but in the image of man from whose body she was taken. This creation story forms Paul’s bases for church order in 1 Corinthians 11: 7b “…he (the man) is in the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9. Neither was the man created for the woman, but the woman for the man.”

                  As such, the man must have short hair to reveal the image and glory of God shown forth in him alone. For a man to have long hair, which might cover up this fact, it is a shame: “14. Does not even nature itself teach you, that if a man has long hair, it is a shame unto him?” Thus, for Paul, it is a shame or sinful for the man to cover up his face because only he alone is in the image and glory of God as the creation account in Genesis 2 states.

                  However, for a woman to have short hair and show her face in the assembly or church, it is to her “shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, but let her be covered.” (Verse 11: 6) For the woman, long hair is nature’s way to provide a covering for her face should she be found without a cloth veil: “but if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given as a covering.” I Corth. 11: 15. It is very important that the woman cover her face (again, with her hair if necessary) doing worship for, who knows, there maybe angels present (verse 10) in the assembly also who would be offended should they see the face of a non-Godly image; that is a woman’s face.

                  Paul continues this natural theology and builds it into a divine hierarchy (verse 3) “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”

                  Again, Paul has Genesis 2 in his mind when he declares in I Corth. 14: 34 “Let your women keep silent in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also says the law. 35 And if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”

                  For the deutero-Pauline author that wrote the Pastoral epistle of I Timothy, this is the doctrine that was to develop into what has come to be called “Original Sin”. This is the direct result of the woman speaking (Genesis 2: 6 & 16) as he restates it in I Tim. 2: 11 - 14 : “Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression.”

                  Thus, for conservative denominations like the Southern Baptist, to allow women to teach men in religious studies (such as seminaries) would be in direct violation of each of the three natural and divine prohibitions: A. The divine order of creation. B. The divine hierarchy. C. The fact that women can be mentally shallow so as to mislead men (if given a place of leadership over men) just as Eve did Adam (verse 14).

                  However, all is not lost on the woman as I Timothy 2: 15 understood Genesis 3: 16. The woman can earn her salvation by bearing children, which may imply that male babies who are created in the image of God who will continue to fulfill the divine plan and will keep future women submissive.

                  This topic is again built upon in the deutero-Pauline letter of Ephesians 5: 22 – 24 which bases its reading on the divine hierarchy in I Corinthians 11: 3.

                  Finally, the New Testament closes with the apocalyptic book of Revelation were the 144,000 are celibate men who follow the lamb (Christ) where ever He goes because they are kept pure by not having defiled themselves sexually with women (Rev. 14: 3 – 4).

                  While Christians debate just what composes the “Unforgivable Sin” of Matthew 12: 32, one thing is for sure; women, who were created out of man will never be forgiven this fact as based on the story of Genesis 2 and expounded not only by Paul, but repeated in the deutero-Pauline schools and kept alive today in the Southern Baptist Convention by their complete elimination of all women professors in their seminaries and crushing any hope for women being ordained in this denomination’s ministry. It is indeed an unforgivable “sin” of gender.



                  the goodnews is
                  yeshua TOLD A WOMAN '' the 1st evangelist GO TELL MY DISCIPLES''' I AM ARISEN.

                  common sense tells a person to follow Yeshua and not strangers.
                  but who heeds this?

                  hence the needless suffering of women under the ''lordship'' of demonic abusing men.
                  say thank you saint paul!!!!
                  .

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                  • #84
                    Lucy, have you considered what causes growth in plants?

                    Hi Lucy, doesn't Elohim TEACH us by what He has created in a physical sense? Look at the flowers and the plants. What do they need for growth so that they can flower and produce fruit? They need for the most part--water, light, nitrogen, phosphorous, magnesium, and potassium, and a wide variety of other lesser things. Now, Elohim, as a good farmer has given mankind ALL of those necessary ingredients for growth and fruit production, by giving us His Word and Law. Consider the Song of Moses, as he states HIS Torah (doctrine and speech) is as gentle rain upon the tender herbs:

                    Deut 32:1-4, 46-47

                    (1) Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
                    (2) My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the gentle rain upon the grass:
                    (3) Because I will publish the name of Yahweh: ascribe ye greatness unto our Elohim.
                    (4) [He is] the Rock, His work [is] perfect: for all His ways [are] judgment: an Elohim of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] He.
                    (46) And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this Torah.
                    (47) For it [is] not a vain thing for you; because it [is] your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong [your] days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

                    Psa 147:15-20

                    (15) He sendeth forth His commandment [upon] earth: His Word runneth very swiftly.
                    (16) He giveth snow like wool: He scattereth the hoarfrost like ashes.
                    (17) He casteth forth His ice like morsels: who can stand before His cold?
                    (18) He sendeth out His Word, and melteth them: He causeth His wind (Spirit) to blow, [and] the waters flow.
                    (19) He sheweth His Word unto Jacob, His statutes and His judgments unto Israel.
                    (20) He hath not dealt so with any nation: and [as for His] judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye Yahweh.

                    Jas 1:9 - 1:18

                    (9) Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
                    (10) But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
                    (11) For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
                    (12) Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which Yahweh hath promised to them that love Him.
                    (13) Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of Elohim: for Elohim cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth He any man:
                    (14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
                    (15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
                    (16) Do not err, my beloved brethren.
                    (17) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
                    (18) Of His own Will begat He us with the Word of Truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.

                    (Eph 5:26) That He might sanctify and cleanse it (The Ekklesia) with the washing of water by the Word,

                    Do you see all that Lucy? Elohim has SENT His Word to this world, FIRST in a Covenant with Israel, and SECOND in a Covenant with The Ekklesia, and this Word, His Commands are what give LIFE so that we can GROW and produce FRUIT. It takes WATER and LIGHT mainly:

                    (Prov 6:23) For the commandment [is] a lamp; and the law [is] light; and reproofs of instruction [are] the way of life:

                    And those who do not speak according to the Law of Moses and The Testimony (10 commandments), it is because there is NO light IN them:

                    (Isa 8:20) To the Law and to the Testimony: if they speak not according to this Word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

                    So Lucy, how do you expect a believer to produce growth and fruit without the Water of the Word, and the Light of the Law? Ken
                    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                    Abstain from meats offered to idols
                    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                      ofcourse the apostate church loves this 13th apostle and his very confused rants, especially within the ''church'' setting.... enough fruits there to WALK AWAY FROM this cesspool.
                      http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/fir...-of-submission
                      they even write about these shortcomings -



                      http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/fir...domestic-abuse

                      yes indeed the Pauline confusion sure has ruined many lives, = I often wonder where common sense begins and satanic domination ends?


                      Eternally Unforgiven: St. Paul’s View of Women and Its Influence on the Rest of the New Testament

                      By Harry H. McCall at 2/06/2008


                      Apart from the four Gospels, Paul’s theology of women forms the main historical and theological reason women have suffered for their gender under conservative evangelical Christianity…a theology which has suppressed Christian women for two thousand years.


                      A case in point here is what has happened in the largest conservative evangelical Protestant body in the United States - the Southern Baptist Convention, which is, in all likelihood, going to elect the very conservative Dr. A. Albert Mohler, Jr. (Now president of their Southern Seminary in Louisville, Ky.) as its next convention president this summer. Also, Under the leadership of Paige Patterson (President of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Dallas Texas) the Southern Baptist have forced out all women professors in their seminaries following the Biblical command drawn especially from the Pauline corpus in the New Testament that demands that women are to be second class humans and totally submissive to men. In light of this fact, it’s time to review this evangelical denomination’s view of women as they under stand their roll in the New Testament.

                      To understand the position of the Southern Baptist Convention on this issue, one needs to understand the Apostle Paul and his theology of women as drawn form the Old Testament; mainly Genesis 2: 21 – 3: 24.

                      For the Jewish Saul turned Christian and renamed Paul (Acts 13), only men are created in the image of God as a literal reading of Genesis 2: 21 – 24 makes clear. From this Hebrew text, we find that women were made, not in the image of God, but in the image of man from whose body she was taken. This creation story forms Paul’s bases for church order in 1 Corinthians 11: 7b “…he (the man) is in the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9. Neither was the man created for the woman, but the woman for the man.”

                      As such, the man must have short hair to reveal the image and glory of God shown forth in him alone. For a man to have long hair, which might cover up this fact, it is a shame: “14. Does not even nature itself teach you, that if a man has long hair, it is a shame unto him?” Thus, for Paul, it is a shame or sinful for the man to cover up his face because only he alone is in the image and glory of God as the creation account in Genesis 2 states.

                      However, for a woman to have short hair and show her face in the assembly or church, it is to her “shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, but let her be covered.” (Verse 11: 6) For the woman, long hair is nature’s way to provide a covering for her face should she be found without a cloth veil: “but if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given as a covering.” I Corth. 11: 15. It is very important that the woman cover her face (again, with her hair if necessary) doing worship for, who knows, there maybe angels present (verse 10) in the assembly also who would be offended should they see the face of a non-Godly image; that is a woman’s face.

                      Paul continues this natural theology and builds it into a divine hierarchy (verse 3) “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”

                      Again, Paul has Genesis 2 in his mind when he declares in I Corth. 14: 34 “Let your women keep silent in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also says the law. 35 And if they will learn anything let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”

                      For the deutero-Pauline author that wrote the Pastoral epistle of I Timothy, this is the doctrine that was to develop into what has come to be called “Original Sin”. This is the direct result of the woman speaking (Genesis 2: 6 & 16) as he restates it in I Tim. 2: 11 - 14 : “Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression.”

                      Thus, for conservative denominations like the Southern Baptist, to allow women to teach men in religious studies (such as seminaries) would be in direct violation of each of the three natural and divine prohibitions: A. The divine order of creation. B. The divine hierarchy. C. The fact that women can be mentally shallow so as to mislead men (if given a place of leadership over men) just as Eve did Adam (verse 14).

                      However, all is not lost on the woman as I Timothy 2: 15 understood Genesis 3: 16. The woman can earn her salvation by bearing children, which may imply that male babies who are created in the image of God who will continue to fulfill the divine plan and will keep future women submissive.

                      This topic is again built upon in the deutero-Pauline letter of Ephesians 5: 22 – 24 which bases its reading on the divine hierarchy in I Corinthians 11: 3.

                      Finally, the New Testament closes with the apocalyptic book of Revelation were the 144,000 are celibate men who follow the lamb (Christ) where ever He goes because they are kept pure by not having defiled themselves sexually with women (Rev. 14: 3 – 4).

                      While Christians debate just what composes the “Unforgivable Sin” of Matthew 12: 32, one thing is for sure; women, who were created out of man will never be forgiven this fact as based on the story of Genesis 2 and expounded not only by Paul, but repeated in the deutero-Pauline schools and kept alive today in the Southern Baptist Convention by their complete elimination of all women professors in their seminaries and crushing any hope for women being ordained in this denomination’s ministry. It is indeed an unforgivable “sin” of gender.



                      the goodnews is
                      yeshua TOLD A WOMAN '' the 1st evangelist GO TELL MY DISCIPLES''' I AM ARISEN.

                      common sense tells a person to follow Yeshua and not strangers.
                      but who heeds this?

                      hence the needless suffering of women under the ''lordship'' of demonic abusing men.
                      say thank you saint paul!!!!
                      .
                      Lucy, its strange you accuse us of exactly what you do.

                      Here the parable of the Jester or Prankster:

                      The Prankster would run all over the neighborhood getting garbage out of the neighbor's garbage cans, then, the Prankster would take the garbage and dump it all over the neighbor's yards, the Prankster loved the garbage more than the neighbors.

                      Go figure what this means Lucy.

                      Also Lucy, YOU believe on a messiah only, however, you do NOT do or continue in His word, as He commanded to do.

                      The apostle John recorded an incident Messiah had with those Jews that believed on Him.

                      As He (Messiah) spoke these words, many believed on him. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:30-32.

                      There are three things to be noticed here above in these texts of scriptures:

                      1. They believed on Him-Messiah.

                      2. Messiah said: If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed.

                      3. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

                      Question: What is the truth according to Messiah Himself, and in His own words?

                      Messiah said:Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is (the) truth...Neither pray I for these alone, but for them ( us believers) also which shall believe on me (Messiah) through their (the Apostles) word; John 17:17,20.

                      Lucy, YOU do not believe in, nor continue in Messiah's red words, and neither do YOU believe in thee apostles written words, as the true Messiah Himself said to do.

                      You believe STRANGERS from the internet above Messiah and the apostles own written words.

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                      • #86
                        Lucy,

                        Why do YOU believe STRANGERS from the internet ABOVE Messiah and the Apostles written words?

                        You don't even know these STRANGERS, nor do you know anything about them do you?

                        Don't you even have a conscience Lucy?

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                        • #87
                          Lucy,

                          Why do YOU believe STRANGERS from the internet ABOVE Messiah and the Apostles written words?

                          You don't even know these STRANGERS, nor do you know anything about them do you?

                          Don't you even have a conscience Lucy?

                          Messiah said:I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. John 10:11.

                          Messiah also said:And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. John 10:5.

                          Now, come back and tell us, that you do NOT follow STRANGERS on the internet, and that you only follow Messiah?

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                          • #88
                            verses but no reality...

                            IAH = so many pretty verses...
                            But your posts fail the reality tests I am sad to say...

                            You take time to post all of this and FAIL TO LIVE IN THEM YOURSELF...
                            The mind is willing but the flesh is weak and cannot grasp JOHN 11 V-24-25-26 THE reality of the kingdm of God.
                            The Kingdom of God is preached more times in the NT yet, you cannot live within its boundaries
                            I do.
                            I believed Yeshua when He told me His word - He didn't add to it... He simply told it as written and I believed HIM

                            He did not say to do this or that as some ''work'' I needed to add to His ministry.
                            Nope - JUST BELIEVE.

                            BELIEVE

                            Religious people do believe but it never seems to get them into His Kingdom because, their believe and His believe are 2 very different things.
                            I don't need to do anything to grow myself just believe.... because His building is not made from my hands, - no no no

                            My hands my works will never build His temple in me.
                            It never has and it never will.

                            You see I entered into His Sabbath rest- Math 11 v 28-29-30 - my resting place, and the place where HE GROWS ME INTO A GREAT SPIRITUAL ESSENCE INSIDE A FEMALE BODY - one day at a time.

                            Yeshua never came to preach or teach the Law of Moses as Nicodemus found out.
                            I suppose Nicodemus the uno numero of the Law of Moses contrasted his ''ministry so to speak'' with the ministry of our Saviour and was found wanting.
                            THE KING OF THE CARNAL [nicoduemus] MET THE DIVINE KING OF HEAVEN - and was changed.

                            the works I do now is I BELIEVE.
                            THIS MEANS - I TRUST IN MY SAVIOUR TO MAKE ME ALL HE WANTS ME TO BE AND I DONT TRUST IN MYSELF.
                            I WALK BY HIS FAITH IN ME AND I DONT ALLOW MY CARNAL NEEDS TO FLORISH AND DESTROY ME.
                            I WALK IN HIS ABILITY FOR MY DAILY LIFE.
                            I WALK IN HIS PLANS OVER ME
                            I WALK IN HIM AND HIS WISDOM THAT TELLS ME HOW TO ESCAPE CORRUPTION IN ME
                            SO FAR SO GOOD.

                            Never once is years and years of training up and being loosed from flaws and habits and personal stuff to ugly to mention has He ever said I am doing wrong by not following the 613 laws of Moses.

                            Ofcourse I escape too as I never went to a church since I was 24yrs old - 50yrs - but I did a stint for 1 yr and left the Pentecostals.
                            [a whole hyped up and sad lot of people I never did get a whole lot of indoctrinations from strangers]

                            it does seem strange also as Yeshua and I walk together as we do daily.... you seem so upset with me and HE IS NOT.

                            HE NEVER QUOTES VERSES TO ME....LIKE YOU DO.
                            HE NEVER GNASHES HIS TEETH AT ME AND CALLS ME SLUTTY NAMES LIKE ELIJAH did.. [ I placed him on ignore a week ago so I cannot read his insulting hype to me]
                            HE NEVER ONCE TOLD ME how to do the 613 laws of moses.
                            NOT ONCE.
                            YET HE TELLS ME HOW TO LIVE OUTSIDE OF THIS WORLD, HOW TO SUCCEED AND HOW TO LIVE DAILY IN HIS KINGDOM.

                            HE TELLS ME HOW TO MANAGE MY MONEY
                            HOW TO GIVE TO OTHERS
                            HOW TO SEE MY FAMILY IS NEVER IN WANT
                            HOW TO EMPLOY PEOPLE - OTHERS WILL NEVER EMPLOY
                            HOW TO LOOK AFTER THE POOR.
                            HOW TO SERVE PEOPLE as a servant and not lord it over others.

                            now IAH why would I listen to you [ not to offend] when you cannot give me WHAT MY SAVIOUR DOES?
                            I am in His good books but in your bad books.

                            you preach your version of the truth to me, but CANNOT WALK BY FAITH and live outside the matrix, for yourself
                            why not go and look at the 1st movie of the Matrix and get a modern day version of the a Goodnews so you can contrast the world from the divine.
                            it shows up the 2 sides of humanity and how so few escape from being SLAVES.

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                            • #89
                              Lucy,

                              Why do YOU believe STRANGERS from the internet ABOVE Messiah and the Apostles written words?

                              You don't even know these STRANGERS, nor do you know anything about them do you?

                              Don't you even have a conscience Lucy?

                              Messiah said:I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. John 10:11.

                              Messiah also said:And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. John 10:5.

                              Now, come back and tell us, that you do NOT follow STRANGERS on the internet, and that you only follow Messiah?

                              HE NEVER QUOTES VERSES TO ME....LIKE YOU DO.
                              HE NEVER GNASHES HIS TEETH AT ME AND CALLS ME SLUTTY NAMES LIKE ELIJAH did.. [ I placed him on ignore a week ago so I cannot read his insulting hype to me]

                              Oh, so quoting scriptures to YOU is calling you slutty names and insulting to you huh?

                              You put me on ignore huh? You may be caught in another lie too?

                              I can't help but laugh..

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                              • #90
                                i turned u on ignore Elijah

                                i cannot read your insulting corrupted religious trash any more....
                                I did this a week + ago

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