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  • #61
    Lucy, where are the laws of Elohim called the law of vanity in the new testament?

    Hebrews 8:10 says... For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    Hebrews 10:16 says...This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; See also Jeremiah 31:31-33.

    Lucy, what is THE INCORRUPTIBLE SEED to be born of???

    Peter said in 1 Peter 1:23: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of Elohim, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    Make note Lucy, the apostle Peter said, that the word of Elohim is incorruptible seed. So the word of Elohim is NOT corrupted either.

    Messiah said in a parable : Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of Elohim. Those by the way side are they that hear (the word of Elohim); then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word (of Elohim) out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

    They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word (of Elohim) with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

    And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard (the word of Elohim), go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

    But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word (of Elohim), keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. Luke 8:11-15; See also Matthew 13:18-23.

    Make note Lucy, those who do NOT do or obey the word of Elohim, they bring no fruit to perfection.

    What else is the gospel or mystery of the kingdom Lucy?

    Messiah said:And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of Elohim: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:... The sower soweth the word (of the kingdom). And these are they by the way side, where the word (of the kingdom) is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word (of the kingdom) that was sown in their hearts.

    And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word (of the kingdom), immediately receive it with gladness And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

    And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word (of the kingdom), And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

    And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word (of the kingdom), and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred. Mark 4:14-20.

    Make note Lucy, the word of the kingdom, and the word of Elohim are the ONE and the same, and those who obey and do THE WORD, are those who bring forth FRUIT.

    So Lucy, is it not doing the word of Elohim that brings forth good fruit? Lucy, do you believe these red words ABOVE of the true Messiah?

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    • #62
      the ''word of gods''....of the OT and its laws to the jews.

      can be dissected like this
      There are in the OT roughly 300 verses which talk of people doing violence to each other, either a report or a threat or a command, or a lament.

      There are roughly 1,000 passages which talk of God’s violence or wrath; either a report of his slaying someone, or his threatening people with violence or descriptions of him as a man of war.

      comment....
      To ignore the violence in the OT is like making a study of Churchill and completely ignoring the fact that he was English.
      Violence is not peripheral to the OT Bible it is central, in many ways it is the issue!!!!!


      Yeshua [ of the NT] portrays HIS FATHER AS HE IS HIMSELF being made visible and exposed by *His Ministry*~~~


      - there endeth the 1st lesson.

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      • #63
        the fruits of cain - the fruits of murder/exploiting/greed/money.......sins

        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
        can be dissected like this
        There are in the OT roughly 300 verses which talk of people doing violence to each other, either a report or a threat or a command, or a lament.

        There are roughly 1,000 passages which talk of God’s violence or wrath; either a report of his slaying someone, or his threatening people with violence or descriptions of him as a man of war.

        comment....
        To ignore the violence in the OT is like making a study of Churchill and completely ignoring the fact that he was English.
        Violence is not peripheral to the OT Bible it is central, in many ways it is the issue!!!!!


        Yeshua [ of the NT] portrays HIS FATHER AS HE IS HIMSELF being made visible and exposed by *His Ministry*~~~


        - there endeth the 1st lesson.

        the fruits of the ''sins of cain'' the HYBRID child of the serpent who grew into a dragon....huge deception.
        Yeshua talks about fruits and His disciples understand HOW TO BE A FRUIT INSPECTOR.... PAR EXCELLENCE.

        THE TRUTH WILL SET US FREE.

        the'' MURDERER from the beginning'' has a MARK/BRAND - its ' Murder Inc''.
        when you ''see'' death/killing/destroying present in any form - know its THE SERPENT/CAIN'S MARK.
        LIKE sign post saying ... ''DONT GO THERE''...............
        WARNING WILL ROBINSON.....

        cain was a murderer - a hybred human - a mixture a serpent seed - MURDER IS his 2nd name~~~~CAIN MUDERER.
        moses was a murderer
        saul/paul was a murderer.
        Statistics gathered from various surveys have revealed that 50% of Christian men struggle with pornography addiction,
        80% of unmarried Christian adults have had sex,
        60% of women have significant struggles with lust,
        20% of Church going women struggle with pornography addiction,
        9 out of 10 boys and 6 out of 10 girls are exposed to pornography before the age of 18, and
        54% of pastors admit to viewing pornography online.
        a reptilian bloodline.

        Yeshua speaks of such people a few times~~~~ showing them up as ''your father is the devil'' - literally - especially those in ''high places'' - they go to ''high places'' of influences.
        [ STARS]

        the ''stars'' of the O.T. - those killers and those destroyers. - ruled from ''high places''
        the ''stars'' of the NT - those killers, those money men, the greedy and those destroyers of innocence. - ruled from ''high places''
        THE TARES!!!!
        MURDER INC..... sign posts of serpent worship.



        the human SEED from ADAM TO SETH............. downwards in the generations are ''THE RIGHTEOUS'' -THE WHEAT
        THEY have a sign too - and that is the LOVE OF GOD [FOR THEY ARE THEIR FATHER'S DIVINE CHILDREN].....THE kindness and the uprightness of THE GODLY.

        THE LAW OF MOSES to the Jews only....was given for the unrighteous,
        the RIGHTEOUS never needed the law of Moses.
        WHY NOT?

        THEY WERE MADE RIGHT AND UPRIGHT AS CHILDREN OF ABBA,

        the Law of Moses was given only to the Jews.
        Historically speaking, in order to be accurate we must understand that this Law was not enacted with the Gentile nations.
        The Gentiles had made no covenant with God to keep the Law of Moses and God had made no covenant with the Gentiles that was contingent upon their keeping of the Law of Moses.
        These events occurred only for the Jews.[/I]


        there endeth the 2nd lesson


        the'' Generation of THE RIGHTEOUS''.......

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        • #64
          cont.. the GOTR.............................

          I have felt Yeshua impressing me for some time to write this article explaining the term “The Generation of the Righteous”,
          the ''righteous'' will be the human seedline of ADAM, downwards TO SETH and beyonds to the new advent to the order of Melchedezek to the 1sr fruit harvest......
          [ not the hybrid seed line from the serpent and eve combo...]

          ''The Generation of the Righteous,'' [this bloodline has come up from the beginning] is an end-time generation of people who get the Double-portion or “the Spirit without any limits”.
          Abba, deliberately limited the power available to the 1st Century Apostles, as He was saving the best till last, and that God had kept the best of every bloodline for these days.
          the best wine serve last... as in THE WEDDING OF CANA John2. [the best wine served last is the ability to live within eternal life here and now~~~~]
          '' the Generation of the Righteous'' and the End-Time Ekklesia believes these saints, will go way beyond the achievements of the First Century saints, and that we have not yet seen the “...even greater things than these” (John 14:12)
          Yeshua is not coming back for a pathetic, scab-ridden whore dressed in rags standing by the ''law'' altar,
          No way -He is coming for His glorious Bride, who has “made herself ready” (Rev. 19:7).

          ''the Generation of the Righteous,'' who will liberate Creation from bondage all fallen satanic bondages
          Satan is trying to kill the baby (Abortion), but the Yeshua rescues His seed.

          Consider also Rev 3:21:
          “To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.”
          The sitting with Yeshua on His throne speaks of ''''the Generation of the Righteous'''' participating in the ruling of the nations.


          the serpent seed, does'nt win the day, with lawkeeping practices
          why not?
          The ''RIGHTEOUS'' never need the laws of Moses to the jews only as they are not hybrid but the divine human children of ABBA.... who cares for His family. amen

          the HYBRED SEED is a lying seed - there are those posters who wish to place others under the laws of Moses to the jews only....
          HOW?
          By KEEPING ONLY some 613 laws of Moses but not all
          One such a person who copied this ''sabbath keeping theory'' as a part lawkeeper... was Ellen White.
          Here is her HISTORY AS FRUITS all well documened and recorded BY HER PEERS.......
          One – The Unmasking Of Ellen White – Part I

          122 two – The Unmasking Of Ellen White – Part II

          146 Three – Ellen White Botches Ecclesiastical history

          156 Four - Ellen White And Why Christians Observe Sunday

          169 Five – What Adventist Leaders New About Sabbath Impossibilities

          179 Six – More Barriers To Ellen White's Sabbath Theories


          another lying preacher on law keeping was Herbert armstrong, and it is publically recorded his lying history
          Yeshua said '' by their fruits you shall know them''
          . What are the fruits of Herbert Armstrong's doings?
          Moreover, Christ was quoted as saying that Satan was a liar and a murderer from the very beginning.
          Herbert Armstrong lied.
          He lived a lie.
          He claimed credit and stood on someone's work without giving credit. He was a false prophet [ profit]


          yet we are old by some '' we must follow lyings [ serpent hybrids]

          perhaps lawkeepers need to really access WHO THEY REPRESENT?
          Last edited by LucySmith; 05-03-2016, 01:42 AM. Reason: RECORD of lying hybrids.

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          • #65
            the fruits of the serpent seed.... what do they look like- [ as the fruits]

            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
            I have felt Yeshua impressing me for some time to write this article explaining the term “The Generation of the Righteous”,
            the ''righteous'' will be the human seedline of ADAM, downwards TO SETH and beyonds to the new advent to the order of Melchedezek to the 1sr fruit harvest......
            [ not the hybrid seed line from the serpent and eve combo...]

            ''The Generation of the Righteous,'' [this bloodline has come up from the beginning] is an end-time generation of people who get the Double-portion or “the Spirit without any limits”.
            Abba, deliberately limited the power available to the 1st Century Apostles, as He was saving the best till last, and that God had kept the best of every bloodline for these days.
            the best wine serve last... as in THE WEDDING OF CANA John2. [the best wine served last is the ability to live within eternal life here and now~~~~]
            '' the Generation of the Righteous'' and the End-Time Ekklesia believes these saints, will go way beyond the achievements of the First Century saints, and that we have not yet seen the “...even greater things than these” (John 14:12)
            Yeshua is not coming back for a pathetic, scab-ridden whore dressed in rags standing by the ''law'' altar,
            No way -He is coming for His glorious Bride, who has “made herself ready” (Rev. 19:7).

            ''the Generation of the Righteous,'' who will liberate Creation from bondage all fallen satanic bondages
            Satan is trying to kill the baby (Abortion), but the Yeshua rescues His seed.

            Consider also Rev 3:21:
            “To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.”
            The sitting with Yeshua on His throne speaks of ''''the Generation of the Righteous'''' participating in the ruling of the nations.


            the serpent seed, does'nt win the day, with lawkeeping practices
            why not?
            The ''RIGHTEOUS'' never need the laws of Moses to the jews only as they are not hybrid but the divine human children of ABBA.... who cares for His family. amen

            the HYBRID SEED is a lying seed - there are those posters who wish to place others under the laws of Moses to the jews only.... but none could even keep these laws...ask why would you do this?
            HOW?
            By KEEPING ONLY some 613 laws of Moses but not all
            One such a person who copied this ''sabbath keeping theory'' as a part lawkeeper... was Ellen White.
            Here is her HISTORY AS FRUITS all well documened and recorded BY HER PEERS.......
            One – The Unmasking Of Ellen White – Part I

            122 two – The Unmasking Of Ellen White – Part II

            146 Three – Ellen White Botches Ecclesiastical history

            156 Four - Ellen White And Why Christians Observe Sunday

            169 Five – What Adventist Leaders New About Sabbath Impossibilities

            179 Six – More Barriers To Ellen White's Sabbath Theories


            another lying preacher on law keeping was Herbert armstrong, and it is publically recorded his lying history
            Yeshua said '' by their fruits you shall know them''
            . What are the fruits of Herbert Armstrong's doings?
            Moreover, Christ was quoted as saying that Satan was a liar and a murderer from the very beginning.
            Herbert Armstrong lied.
            He lived a lie.
            He claimed credit and stood on someone's work without giving credit. He was a false prophet [ profit]


            yet we are told by some '' we must follow lyings [ serpent hybrids]

            perhaps lawkeepers need to really access WHO THEY REPRESENT?
            we all need to ''see'' the fruits of lying star preachers and satan was a liar.
            http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/mike_ep/exam/exam.htm
            the public record of a RELIGIOUS MIND CONTROLLER......[ exceedingly convincing at what he did best = LIE]

            when some try to IMPOSED a ''stangers teaching as ''their truth'' - look at the fruits first before the lips defile you.
            remember is all about MIND CONTROL~~~~~they are ''controllers''
            warning = the lie has to be ''appealing'' and ''religious''

            consider....
            HWA's recruiting techniques were very sophisticated and subtle.
            He encouraged the listener to keep ordering more and various "thought-provoking" free booklets and literature, which in effect built upon each other.
            He actually was asking leading questions and then taking Scriptures out of context in order to get us to believe what he said.
            But we didn't realize this because he did it in such a cunning way, always adding just the right amount of fear; e.g., "Now you KNOW the truth, what are you going to do about it?" and "You are RESPONSIBLE for the truth you have received!"
            As a result, you became afraid to discount what you felt God was revealing to you--one of the select few--through His Apostle.
            Read about how HWA made use of fear phobia induction."
            Once the person becomes fear phobic, they become submissive to the authority of the group.

            the FEAR PHOBIA...


            lawless lucy - they chant.
            sinner- they chant
            jezebel- they chant
            liar - they chant

            etc......

            THE FEAR PHOBIA is their indoctrination to their law-keeping none are able to keep; they are beyond reason as the CULT TAKES OVER completely.
            the mind is controlled by lies.

            the serpent seed at work.
            http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/letters/ltrs16.htm
            these people and their sick stories are all captives [ or former captives] to the law of moses to the jews only - these laws to the jews are deadly.

            the truth
            Why was this decision made about the Gentiles in the first place?
            Because of Jewish converts to Christianity causing trouble among the Gentile converts, teaching them they had to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses.

            (ACTS 15: 24) Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying,
            “You must be circumcised and keep the law” — to whom we gave no such commandment
            Last edited by LucySmith; 05-03-2016, 05:47 AM.

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            • #66
              Yes Lucy, the Glory of the 2nd Witness will be Greater than the 1st.

              Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
              we all need to ''see'' the fruits of lying star preachers and satan was a liar.
              http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/mike_ep/exam/exam.htm
              the public record of a RELIGIOUS MIND CONTROLLER......[ exceedingly convincing at what he did best = LIE]

              when some try to IMPOSED a ''stangers teaching as ''their truth'' - look at the fruits first before the lips defile you.
              remember is all about MIND CONTROL~~~~~they are ''controllers''
              warning = the lie has to be ''appealing'' and ''religious''

              consider....
              HWA's recruiting techniques were very sophisticated and subtle.
              He encouraged the listener to keep ordering more and various "thought-provoking" free booklets and literature, which in effect built upon each other.
              He actually was asking leading questions and then taking Scriptures out of context in order to get us to believe what he said.
              But we didn't realize this because he did it in such a cunning way, always adding just the right amount of fear; e.g., "Now you KNOW the truth, what are you going to do about it?" and "You are RESPONSIBLE for the truth you have received!"
              As a result, you became afraid to discount what you felt God was revealing to you--one of the select few--through His Apostle.
              Read about how HWA made use of fear phobia induction."
              Once the person becomes fear phobic, they become submissive to the authority of the group.

              the FEAR PHOBIA...


              lawless lucy - they chant.
              sinner- they chant
              jezebel- they chant
              liar - they chant

              etc......

              THE FEAR PHOBIA is their indoctrination to their law-keeping none are able to keep; they are beyond reason as the CULT TAKES OVER completely.
              the mind is controlled by lies.

              the serpent seed at work.
              http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/letters/ltrs16.htm

              these people and their sick stories are all captives [ or former captives] to the law of moses to the jews only - these laws to the jews are deadly.
              Hi Lucy, yes, we are in agreement, the 2nd Witness (those Believers who are coming forth OUT from CONFUSION/Babylon), will destroy the beliefs of traditional christianity as THEY, through FAITH, WORK in the rebuilding of Yeshua's Holy Temple, His Body. And it is no different in the 2nd Witness as it was with the 1st Witness/Body of Messiah. The Body of Messiah determines what should be eaten, or drank, or how to keep a Feast (Holy Day), the New Moon, or the Sabbath, just as The Apostle Paul and Messiah declared (Col 2:16-17, John 20:23, Matt 16:19, Matt 18:18). Those who defiantly oppose, and will not LISTEN to the Body of Messiah will be destroyed, but those who submit, will share in Her/His (THEIR) Glory (Psa 81:10-16). Ken
              Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

              Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
              Abstain from meats offered to idols
              (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
              So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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              • #67
                do you love ''destruction'' so much IAH

                why is your eyes turned to destroy and not to love?
                GOD IS LOVE.
                ITS THE DEVIL who kills....remember saul/paul was a murderer...

                and remember too....the truth
                Why was this decision made about the Gentiles in the first place?
                Because of Jewish converts to Christianity causing trouble among the Gentile converts, teaching them they had to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses.

                (ACTS 15: 24) Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying,
                “You must be circumcised and keep the law” — to whom we gave no such commandment


                why are you doing this to others............ troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying,

                why do you do this??????
                when NO SUCH A COMMANDMENTS WAS GIVEN.....

                do you think you are in ''grave troubles'' doing what you know well is not ACCEPTABLE...
                btw
                the body of Messiah is not about outward observances IAH - but how to develop the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WITHIN...
                .perhaps it is time to turn your attention from the law of moses to the jews only... and consider THE KINGDOM WITHIN....[ I do suggest it]

                I do not think the keys of the kingdom are given to those who delight in ''destruction'' of others IAH -BUT TO THOSE WHO SEEK '' THE RECONCILIATION OF ALL THINGS''

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                • #68
                  did you know IAH you have NO rights.... to convict

                  others of sin.
                  WHEN YOU YOURSELF dwell under the laws that bring death.

                  you are not jewish
                  yet you claim their ''inheritance'' to the law of Moses to the jews.
                  BTW - YESHUA WAS NEVER A JEW....that too is a misconception.

                  now the COMMAND WAS GIVEN....
                  the truth
                  Why was this decision made about the Gentiles in the first place?
                  Because of Jewish converts to Christianity causing trouble among the Gentile converts, teaching them they had to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses.

                  (ACTS 15: 24) Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying,
                  “You must be circumcised and keep the law” — to whom we gave no such commandment

                  why are you doing this to others............ troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying,

                  why do you do this??????
                  when NO SUCH A COMMANDMENTS WAS GIVEN.....

                  do you think you are in ''grave troubles'' doing what you know well is not ACCEPTABLE...
                  what do you to others inc myself is UNACCEPTABLE and a lie~~~~

                  THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE AGENT who brings forth correction TO THE SAINTS NOT YOU~~~~
                  YOU dwell under the destroyer.
                  your life is filled up with ''justified killing'' - straight from the mouth of the serpent. [maim, destroy, kill] - the rule of the matrix. the rule of beasts.

                  the law of moses makes people de-humanised BECAUSE IT IS A SYSTEM BUILT UPON FEARS AND NOT ON LOVE.....

                  THE father of life is LOVE.
                  ETERNAL LIFE AND LIGHT AND DEALS with His people with mercy~~~~ if this is not shown by ''other gods'' THEY ARE NOT FROM THE FATHER OF ETERNAL LIFE. amen

                  IAHwhat do you to others inc myself is UNACCEPTABLE and a lie~~~~


                  those whom the Saviour has CALLED OUT from the Pauline system and ofcourse other forms of CULTS worldwide is NOT under the law to Jews - no matter what way you chose to spin it.
                  here is YOUR ''MODUS OPERANDI''.
                  why are you doing this to others............ troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying,


                  TEACHING A LIE~~~~~BECAUSE THE GENTILES WERE NEVER ''COMMANDED'' TO FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE JEWS.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                    others of sin.
                    WHEN YOU YOURSELF dwell under the laws that bring death.

                    you are not jewish
                    yet you claim their ''inheritance'' to the law of Moses to the jews.
                    BTW - YESHUA WAS NEVER A JEW....that too is a misconception.

                    now the COMMAND WAS GIVEN....

                    what do you to others inc myself is UNACCEPTABLE and a lie~~~~

                    THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE AGENT who brings forth correction TO THE SAINTS NOT YOU~~~~
                    YOU dwell under the destroyer.
                    your life is filled up with ''justified killing'' - straight from the mouth of the serpent. [maim, destroy, kill] - the rule of the matrix. the rule of beasts.

                    the law of moses makes people de-humanised BECAUSE IT IS A SYSTEM BUILT UPON FEARS AND NOT ON LOVE.....

                    THE father of life is LOVE.
                    ETERNAL LIFE AND LIGHT AND DEALS with His people with mercy~~~~ if this is not shown by ''other gods'' THEY ARE NOT FROM THE FATHER OF ETERNAL LIFE. amen

                    IAHwhat do you to others inc myself is UNACCEPTABLE and a lie~~~~


                    those whom the Saviour has CALLED OUT from the Pauline system and ofcourse other forms of CULTS worldwide is NOT under the law to Jews - no matter what way you chose to spin it.
                    here is YOUR ''MODUS OPERANDI''.
                    why are you doing this to others............ troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying,


                    TEACHING A LIE~~~~~BECAUSE THE GENTILES WERE NEVER ''COMMANDED'' TO FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE JEWS.
                    Lucy, you said..WHEN YOU YOURSELF dwell under the laws that bring death.
                    Also, those who are under the law, are those who have NOT repented of sin or breaking the law 1 John 3:4.

                    Where does the scriptures call Elohim's laws, the laws that bring death? Lucy, where does MESSIAH or any of the Disciples say, that Elohim's laws are the laws of death?

                    I know NONE OF THEM says no such thing. Now from WHOM and where do YOU get such ideas??

                    Also, was Messiah born of Gentile parents?

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                    • #70
                      Lucy, you said..WHEN YOU YOURSELF dwell under the laws that bring death.
                      Also, those who are under the law, are those who have NOT repented of sin or breaking the law 1 John 3:4.

                      Where does the scriptures call Elohim's laws, the laws that bring death? Lucy, where does MESSIAH or any of the Disciples say, that Elohim's laws are the laws of death?

                      I know NONE OF THEM says no such thing. Now from WHOM and where do YOU get such ideas??

                      Also, was Messiah born of Gentile parents?

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                      • #71
                        Lucy, you said..WHEN YOU YOURSELF dwell under the laws that bring death.
                        Also, those who are under the law, are those who have NOT repented of sin or breaking the law 1 John 3:4.

                        Where does the scriptures call Elohim's laws, the laws that bring death? Lucy, where does MESSIAH or any of the Disciples say, that Elohim's laws are the laws of death?

                        I know NONE OF THEM says no such thing in the old testament nor in the new testament either. Now from WHOM and where do YOU get such ideas??

                        Don't you ever stop to THINK from where YOU get such ideas?

                        Or, do YOU just parrot other people's ideas, that cannot be found in the scriptures at all???

                        Also, was Messiah born of Gentile parents?

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                        • #72
                          Lucy, you said..WHEN YOU YOURSELF dwell under the laws that bring death.
                          Also, those who are under the law, are those who have NOT repented of sin or breaking the law 1 John 3:4.

                          Where does the scriptures call Elohim's laws, the laws that bring death? Lucy, where does MESSIAH or any of the Disciples say, that Elohim's laws are the laws of death?

                          I know NONE OF THEM says no such thing in the old testament nor in the new testament either. Now from WHOM and where do YOU get such ideas??

                          Don't you ever stop to THINK from where YOU get such ideas?

                          Or, do YOU just parrot other people's ideas, that cannot be found in the scriptures at all???

                          Also, was Messiah born of Gentile parents?

                          Come on Lucy, are YOU afraid of these questions?

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                          • #73
                            Lucy, you said..WHEN YOU YOURSELF dwell under the laws that bring death.
                            Also, those who are under the law, are those who have NOT repented of sin or breaking the law 1 John 3:4.

                            Where does the scriptures call Elohim's laws, the laws that bring death? Lucy, where does MESSIAH or any of the Disciples say, that Elohim's laws are the laws of death?

                            I know NONE OF THEM says no such thing in the old testament nor in the new testament either. Now from WHOM and where do YOU get such ideas??

                            Don't you ever stop to THINK from where YOU get such ideas?

                            Or, do YOU just parrot other people's ideas, that cannot be found in the scriptures at all???

                            Also, was Messiah born of Gentile parents?

                            Come on Lucy, are YOU afraid of these questions?

                            You like to talk the talk, but YOU don't walk the walk do YOU Lucy?

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                            • #74
                              Lucy, where are the laws of Elohim called the law of vanity in the new testament?

                              Hebrews 8:10 says... For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

                              Hebrews 10:16 says...This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; See also Jeremiah 31:31-33.

                              Lucy, what is THE INCORRUPTIBLE SEED to be born of???

                              Peter said in 1 Peter 1:23: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of Elohim, which liveth and abideth for ever.

                              Make note Lucy, the apostle Peter said, that the word of Elohim is incorruptible seed. So the word of Elohim is NOT corrupted either.

                              Messiah said in a parable : Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of Elohim. Those by the way side are they that hear (the word of Elohim); then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word (of Elohim) out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

                              They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word (of Elohim) with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

                              And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard (the word of Elohim), go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

                              But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word (of Elohim), keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. Luke 8:11-15; See also Matthew 13:18-23.

                              Make note Lucy, those who do NOT do or obey the word of Elohim, they bring no fruit to perfection.

                              What else is the gospel or mystery of the kingdom Lucy?

                              Messiah said:And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of Elohim: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:... The sower soweth the word (of the kingdom). And these are they by the way side, where the word (of the kingdom) is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word (of the kingdom) that was sown in their hearts.

                              And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word (of the kingdom), immediately receive it with gladness And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

                              And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word (of the kingdom), And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

                              And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word (of the kingdom), and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred. Mark 4:14-20.

                              Make note Lucy, the word of the kingdom, and the word of Elohim are the ONE and the same, and those who obey and do THE WORD, are those who bring forth FRUIT.

                              So Lucy, is it not doing the word of Elohim that brings forth good fruit?

                              Lucy, do you believe these red words ABOVE of the true Messiah Yah-Shua?

                              Also Lucy, suppose YOU tell us by what are we to INSPECT THE FRUITS? Are we to inspect THE FRUITS by the dictates of your own mind, or by the WORD OF ELOHIM?

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                              • #75
                                Lucy, do you not want to LIVE? Why are you choosing DEATH?

                                Hi Lucy, do you not want LIFE, or are you going to follow in the footsteps of those who desire DEATH, by being disobedient to the Law of Moses? Why not choose LIFE, instead of DEATH? Do you really think that you can have LIFE through DISOBEDIENCE? That is exactly what your Jewish friends did, and now you castigate them for their destruction and death, yet you fail to learn any lesson from them. Why choose DEATH Lucy, you should KNOW that Yahweh/Yeshua Elohim does NOT desire your death, rather, He desires your OBEDIENCE to LIVE:

                                (Heb 12:9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

                                (Eze 33:11) Say unto them, [As] I live, saith Yahweh Elohim, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O LUCY SMITH?

                                Why do you want to DIE Lucy Smith? It just doesn't make any sense. Ken
                                Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                                Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                                Abstain from meats offered to idols
                                (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                                So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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