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  • #31
    Lucy, your new tagline,,
    Matthew says,
    "Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom" (Matthew 4:23).
    In Matthew chapter five Jesus repeatedly refers to portions of the Law of Moses, then says,
    "But I say to you..."
    He contrasts his teaching with that of Moses.
    And in certain cases he flatly contradicts Moses.
    Lucy, where does Messiah contradict Moses in Matthew 5???

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    • #32
      calling fire down from heaven GOOD OR BAD?

      Luke 9:

      [53] And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
      [54] And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said,
      Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
      [55] But Jesus turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of
      .
      Yeshua warned his disciples when they wanted to call fire down from heaven and consume those who did not receive him, that they were not of the spirit of the Father.

      Therefore another clue is provided in the New Testament since the disciples James and John remind us that Elijah of the Old Testament, called fire down from heaven to consume those who did not accept him.

      A further investigation of the Old Testament reveals that in fact there were numerous instances of fire coming down from heaven – to consume those people who resisted the LORD and God of the O.T.

      Yeshua said ''ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of'' amen

      the bad news from the O.T.
      Numbers 11:

      [1] And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD:
      and the LORD heard it;
      and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.



      its very sad to see our O.T. heros fall so badly
      1 Kings 18:

      [37] Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.
      [38] Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
      [39] And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.
      [40] And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

      2 Kings 1:

      [10] And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
      The only proof which Elijah gave in the O.T. that he was a man of God was the power to call fire down from heaven in the sight of men.
      However, this power was rebuked by Yeshua as not being of the spirit of the Father, and in fact is taught by Revelation:13:13 to be the very tool the false prophet uses to deceive the whole world.

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      • #33
        Be HEALED by Yahweh/Yeshua Lucy.

        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
        Yeshua warned his disciples when they wanted to call fire down from heaven and consume those who did not receive him, that they were not of the spirit of the Father.

        Therefore another clue is provided in the New Testament since the disciples James and John remind us that Elijah of the Old Testament, called fire down from heaven to consume those who did not accept him.

        A further investigation of the Old Testament reveals that in fact there were numerous instances of fire coming down from heaven – to consume those people who resisted the LORD and God of the O.T.

        Yeshua said ''ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of'' amen

        the bad news from the O.T.
        Numbers 11:

        [1] And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD:
        and the LORD heard it;
        and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.



        its very sad to see our O.T. heros fall so badly


        The only proof which Elijah gave in the O.T. that he was a man of God was the power to call fire down from heaven in the sight of men.
        However, this power was rebuked by Yeshua as not being of the spirit of the Father, and in fact is taught by Revelation:13:13 to be the very tool the false prophet uses to deceive the whole world.
        Hi Lucy, the Messiah Yeshua told those who refused to HEAR Him, exactly what Yahweh told those who refused to HEAR Him also:

        Isa 6:9-10

        (9) And He (Yahweh)said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
        (10) Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

        Mt 13:14 - 13:15

        (14) And in them (the multitudes)is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
        (15) For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

        Lucy, why not start to perceive and understand with your heart what the Elohim of the OT - Yahweh/Yeshua says, and be healed? Stop trying to make the OT Elohim EVIL. Did not Yeshua say there is NONE that is GOOD but the Elohim of the OT? When you call the OT Elohim EVIL, and disobedience to the OT Elohim as GOOD, in you is fulfilled the words spoken by Esaias the Prophet:

        Isa 5:20-27

        (20) Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
        (21) Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
        (22) Woe unto [them that are] mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
        (23) Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
        (24) Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, [so] their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away The Law of Yahweh of hosts, and despised The Word of the Holy One of Israel.

        It would be well advised of you Lucy to stop calling good evil and evil good, and turn from casting away The Word and Law of the Holy One of Israel - Yahweh/Yeshua. Ken
        Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

        Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
        Abstain from meats offered to idols
        (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
        So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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        • #34
          great comparisons

          to see what Yeshua considers against what the OT supposedly did to others.

          The REDEEMER never practiced fire and brimstone and ''I WILL GET EVEN WITH YOU'' attitude because that is only found in VANITY and all the flaws of this evil construct.

          If you are in vanity or remain within it by being ill informed [ ignorant enough to perish] you have the attitudes of ''fire and brimstone''[b] towards others.
          that is vanity Trade Mark

          THAT IS NOT THE SPIRIT OF HOLINESS nor OF THE REDEEMED but of all false pretenders and they are not OF HIS KINGDOM

          It is so easy to spot the false and the pretense once you ''see'' the actions of the MATRIX when compared to THE DIVINE KINGDOM WALK.
          ALL ''tit for tat'' mentalities is here on earth and NOT A divine trait. = that is evil.

          but the eyes need to be opened,
          IAH i suggest you buy eye salve and pray for it to see ALL COMPARISONS of vanity to divine.

          You need to understand THE GOSPEL OF THE PERFECT LIFE TO SEE THE 2 SYSTEMS AT WORK a
          t present you cannot do this and fail the fruit inspection test.

          'blessed are those who read hear and do so the old things will pass away and you come out from their darkness and arise into the Light'' [new life/revelation]
          it is interesting to see what Yeshua considered evil and darkness , yet, others think of as ''good''.
          some say.....
          killing is good,
          harming others is good,
          murder is good,
          destroying is good.
          - really?
          i cannot get my head around such vain thinking.
          THE SON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS brings HEALING.

          all the laws THAT PROCEED from OUR Father relate to His kingdom values NOT VANITY and is evil shrouds.

          all the laws THAT PROCEED from OUR Father relate to LIFE AND THE SUBSTANCES OF LOVE AND WISDOM and this is THE PRODUCTS OF HIS BEING.

          OUR FATHER DOES NOT HAVE THE DISRESPECT for His creations as those who ''play gods'' do.
          THE MOMENT YOU SEE EVIL IN ''A god'' know ''the god'' is vain and flawed and the same as yourself.
          THE PERFECTION AND BEAUTY is OUR FATHER'S IMAGE.

          YESHUA WALKED IN THE FATHER'S BEAUTY IN THE FATHER'S GOODNESS AND WISDOM AND LOVE AND PEACE.... when these elements are not seen in other ''gods'' KNOW THE SPIRIT OF LIFE is not inside just as Yeshua said. amen

          THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH will guide you into the truth so when we see evil actions PORTRAYED AS FEATS OF GOODNESS, and when Yeshua says 'THEY AE NOT GOODNESS BUT EVIL'' it becomes a wonder how some are so twisted as to not see the comparisons.

          THE CHARACTER THE LIFE CALLED ZOE, does not allow HIM TO DESCEND INTO THE EVIL EFFECTS OF VANITY by doing them
          He is above the power of vanity YET THOSE IN VANITY STILL DO EVIL TO OTHERS.

          AS FOR ''the law'' it died in 70ad.
          why?
          no man could keep it and neither can you IAH - so stop pretending you can.
          ask ''does the gospel ever die''?

          you need to come back outside of the leaven of Armstrongism and get onto the right path. STOP WALKING IN DEATH
          do not defend the indefensible.
          HERE IS THE TRUTH.
          The only proof which Elijah gave in the O.T. that he was a man of God was the power to call fire down from heaven in the sight of men.
          However, this power was rebuked by Yeshua as not being of the spirit of the Father,
          and in fact is taught by Revelation:13:13 to be the very tool the false prophet uses to deceive the whole world.

          why support such inconsistences

          By following the Old, people are essentially telling Yeshua He hasn’t fulfilled anything, he essentially failed miserably at what He came to do.
          The Old may be reviewed from a historical standpoint, but should not be looked upon as laws which are still binding.
          How can we be bound to that which Yeshua fulfilled and finished?

          When Yeshua says “it is finished”, many are falsely taught that it simply pertains to sin.
          The final sacrifice.
          What He was actually referring to is the Old Testament.
          The fulfillment of the Old and ushering in of the New.
          Last edited by LucySmith; 04-26-2016, 03:38 PM. Reason: ps you are telling Yeshua... He is not good enough

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          • #35
            Yeshua BEGINS with Moses to TEACH, why won't you Lucy?

            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
            to see what Yeshua considers against what the OT supposedly did to others.

            The REDEEMER never practiced fire and brimstone and ''I WILL GET EVEN WITH YOU'' attitude because that is only found in VANITY and all the flaws of this evil construct.

            If you are in vanity or remain within it by being ill informed [ ignorant enough to perish] you have the attitudes of ''fire and brimstone''[b] towards others.
            that is vanity Trade Mark

            THAT IS NOT THE SPIRIT OF HOLINESS nor OF THE REDEEMED but of all false pretenders and they are not OF HIS KINGDOM

            It is so easy to spot the false and the pretense once you ''see'' the actions of the MATRIX when compared to THE DIVINE KINGDOM WALK.
            ALL ''tit for tat'' mentalities is here on earth and NOT A divine trait. = that is evil.

            but the eyes need to be opened,
            IAH i suggest you buy eye salve and pray for it to see ALL COMPARISONS of vanity to divine.

            You need to understand THE GOSPEL OF THE PERFECT LIFE TO SEE THE 2 SYSTEMS AT WORK a
            t present you cannot do this and fail the fruit inspection test.



            it is interesting to see what Yeshua considered evil and darkness , yet, others think of as ''good''.
            some say.....
            killing is good,
            harming others is good,
            murder is good,
            destroying is good.
            - really?
            i cannot get my head around such vain thinking.
            THE SON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS brings HEALING.

            all the laws THAT PROCEED from OUR Father relate to His kingdom values NOT VANITY and is evil shrouds.

            all the laws THAT PROCEED from OUR Father relate to LIFE AND THE SUBSTANCES OF LOVE AND WISDOM and this is THE PRODUCTS OF HIS BEING.

            OUR FATHER DOES NOT HAVE THE DISRESPECT for His creations as those who ''play gods'' do.
            THE MOMENT YOU SEE EVIL IN ''A god'' know ''the god'' is vain and flawed and the same as yourself.
            THE PERFECTION AND BEAUTY is OUR FATHER'S IMAGE.

            YESHUA WALKED IN THE FATHER'S BEAUTY IN THE FATHER'S GOODNESS AND WISDOM AND LOVE AND PEACE.... when these elements are not seen in other ''gods'' KNOW THE SPIRIT OF LIFE is not inside just as Yeshua said. amen

            THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH will guide you into the truth so when we see evil actions PORTRAYED AS FEATS OF GOODNESS, and when Yeshua says 'THEY AE NOT GOODNESS BUT EVIL'' it becomes a wonder how some are so twisted as to not see the comparisons.

            THE CHARACTER THE LIFE CALLED ZOE, does not allow HIM TO DESCEND INTO THE EVIL EFFECTS OF VANITY by doing them
            He is above the power of vanity YET THOSE IN VANITY STILL DO EVIL TO OTHERS.

            AS FOR ''the law'' it died in 70ad.
            why?
            no man could keep it and neither can you IAH - so stop pretending you can.
            ask ''does the gospel ever die''?

            you need to come back outside of the leaven of Armstrongism and get onto the right path. STOP WALKING IN DEATH
            do not defend the indefensible.
            HERE IS THE TRUTH.



            why support such inconsistences

            By following the Old, people are essentially telling Yeshua He hasn’t fulfilled anything, he essentially failed miserably at what He came to do.
            The Old may be reviewed from a historical standpoint, but should not be looked upon as laws which are still binding.
            How can we be bound to that which Yeshua fulfilled and finished?

            When Yeshua says “it is finished”, many are falsely taught that it simply pertains to sin.
            The final sacrifice.
            What He was actually referring to is the Old Testament.
            The fulfillment of the Old and ushering in of the New.
            Hi Lucy, Messiah Yeshua said: "O FOOLS, and slow of HEART to BELIEVE ALL of what the Prophets have spoken," and then BEGINNING with MOSES He expounded unto them what Moses WROTE. You on the other hand Lucy will vomit, defecate, and speak EVIL of what Moses WROTE concerning Yeshua. Why such a STARK contrast? Is it because Yeshua has not OPENED your EYES to "see" and "understand" what Moses WROTE? Come on Lucy, you have to have just a LITTLE doubt about your inerrancy? Do you really believe that Moses gave you sin and death, instead of the SECRETS veiled WITHIN The Law concerning Yeshua? Well, the Messiah Yeshua disagrees with you FULLY, and only YOUR OWN delusions interpret otherwise. Come on Lucy, start to understand Moses properly instead of your misunderstood way of accusing him. Moses was a GREAT Prophet for the Elohim of the OT, and Yeshua KNEW it, BELIEVED it, and TAUGHT it (John 5:46-47, Mark 12:26-27, and Luke 16:31). Why can't you follow in Yeshua's footsteps, and BELIEVE like Him? Ken
            Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

            Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
            Abstain from meats offered to idols
            (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
            So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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            • #36
              This was an excellent Post Eliyah.

              Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
              Here below are the KEY WORDS Lucy, in 1 John 1:7.

              but if we walk in the light, as he/Messiah is in the light

              Well, what and Who is the LIGHT according to the scriptures??

              John also wrote:The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. John 1:7

              Messiah said: Then spake Yah-Shua again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. John 8:12.

              Messiah also said:As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world. John 9:5.

              Which old testament scriptures is Messiah and the apostle John referring to above?

              O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD (YAHWEH). Isaiah 2:5.

              For the commandments is a lamp; and the law is a light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: Proverbs 6:23.

              To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:20.

              Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. Psalms 119:105.

              Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. Isaiah 8:20.

              So, Lucy, are YOU really walking in the LIGHT OF YAHWEH, and His laws?
              Shalom Eliyah, this was really an excellent post. The Law is LIGHT...Amen. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
              Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

              Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
              Abstain from meats offered to idols
              (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
              So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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              • #37
                DEAR IAH [NOT TO APPEAR UNKIND i have to say this to your ears] ONLY......

                IAH....


                as you DONT follow all those 613 laws of Moses to the jews only YOURSELF... [ an impossible feat] why do you ask this of others?

                WHY FALSIFY YOUR TESTIMONY, [ AND PRETEND OTHERWISE]
                BTW- you will have to account for this sin. you wish to avoid sin, well first thing is, don't treat others as spiritual fools when you appear so foolish yourself~~~~~

                When you don't keep all those laws yourself but a few personally selected easy ones ~~~~consider this ~~~~what is YOUR TESTIMONY but a lie.
                [making you into a false pretender.]
                I AM sad to see you in such a position.

                but nonetheless.....
                YOU ADVISE ME [ and no doubt others] TO FOLLOW your ideas, from the law of Moses to the Jews only WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DO NOT OBEY THEM all YOURSELF
                [do you actually understand your foolishness or even know the penalty of break one break them all.]
                Do you know the name Yeshua called such a person as this - IAH?

                You bring down the hammer on me, when you fail miserably to do it yourself.

                Just because I can discern the whole scam, doesn't make me the bad guy here.
                These ''gods'' lorded it over ancient humans, and used the evil from vanity to do their works of injustice.
                NOTHING was of a divine origin because THE WORK OF VANITY = namely -killing /destruction/ maiming/slaughtering for the least offenses is ON DISPLAY for all to witness as inhumanity to man.
                the works of vanity versus the works of Godliness love and peace.
                BTW if you do some homework ...
                the bible WAS FORGED, ALTERED and LEAVENED in many places.
                It is not all as it seems and remember the Jews got to it first and miles before the gentiles looked at it and they altered it for their agendas.

                HENCE the divine advice to ''seek out the truth for ourselves'' and NOT TO FOLLOW STRANGERS which you seem so delighted to do.

                the next thing I wish to say into your ears and not UNKINDLY.... is
                WHY DO YOU REJECT YESHUA'S CLAIM, ''HE FULFILLED THE LAW''

                in you heart you are saying HE DIDNT DO ENOUGH,
                this is your personal vanity and you need to be rid of it FAST~~~~~

                THE DIVINE ADVICE IS HE FULFILLED THE LAW - He broke it, He turned away from it, He completed it.
                now IAH you are saying, that is a lie, He didn't do enough.

                IAH - you have been led astray~~~~
                Yeshua cannot destroy nor kill anyone FOR HE IS
                THE HIGHEST LEVEL
                THE HIGHEST POINT,
                THE HIGHEST PEAK of divine love and even on the cross HE NEVER CALLED FOR vanity ''tit for tat'' mentality but said ''FORGIVE THEM FATHER THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO''
                now that Sir, IS THE DIVINE REALITY ~~~ and the mindset of the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN THAT HE PREACHED amen
                I strongly suggest you become a part of it ''post haste''.[ very quickly]

                what you are saying IAH is YESHUA FAILED - that is exactly what you are doing and I do believe you don't even know it.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                  WHY DO YOU REJECT YESHUA'S CLAIM, ''HE FULFILLED THE LAW''

                  in you heart you are saying HE DIDNT DO ENOUGH,
                  this is your personal vanity and you need to be rid of it FAST~~~~~

                  THE DIVINE ADVICE IS HE FULFILLED THE LAW - He broke it, He turned away from it, He completed it.
                  now IAH you are saying, that is a lie, He didn't do enough.
                  Hi Lucy, I think that maybe the church pew view of Paul is deceiving you here about how Yeshua is IN the process of FULFILLING His Law, The Law of Moses. See, you and deceived, traditional christianity have no true concept of how Yeshua FULFILLS The Law. Your view is that He SMASHED it to smithereens, and that somehow fulfilled it. You don't know anything about fulfillment do you? When something is "fulfilled" that means it is NOT destroyed, but rather accomplished. A simple example of that concerns the Passover Lamb. The Law requires that no bones of the Passover could be broken. Now, do you smash that command to smithereens (and break every BONE of The Passover), or do you FULFILL it? How would you FULFILL that command Lucy. And YES, ALL 616 commands have a FULFILLMENT that is NOT smashed to smithereens, but FULFILLED according to their Spiritual Fulfillment. But most lack enough faith to understand, and then accomplish that Fulfillment. The Apostle Paul taught how it could be done, but most fail to understand him properly, twisting and distorting what he taught. Ken
                  Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                  Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                  Abstain from meats offered to idols
                  (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                  So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                  • #39
                    your goose is cooked IAH

                    the law keeping scam has been revealed. natural, spiritual or on mars....nothing can make it believable anymore.
                    you don't keep all the laws yourself....yet pretend you are OK when that is not so.,
                    you got caught out in armstrongism.

                    there are some things you cannot hide, when the truth comes out.
                    not one honest person will ever believe we are to keep some laws but not all 613....the hot air balloon is pricked and fizzled....
                    and 70ad is also against you and the 13th apostle is as Yeshua says .................a stranger,.


                    turn out the lights IAH and say goodnight.

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                    • #40
                      Carnal/Fleshly Mind

                      Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                      the law keeping scam has been revealed. natural, spiritual or on mars....nothing can make it believable anymore.
                      you don't keep all the laws yourself....yet pretend you are OK when that is not so.,
                      you got caught out in armstrongism.

                      there are some things you cannot hide, when the truth comes out.
                      not one honest person will ever believe we are to keep some laws but not all 613....the hot air balloon is pricked and fizzled....
                      and 70ad is also against you and the 13th apostle is as Yeshua says .................a stranger,.


                      turn out the lights IAH and say goodnight.
                      Hi Lucy, if you would just stop defaming the Apostle Paul a little and try to understand him where he explains:

                      (Rom 7:25) I thank Elohim through Messiah Yeshua our Yahweh. So then with the mind I myself serve the Law of Elohim; but with the flesh/carnality the law of sin.

                      You see Lucy, you have the EXACT same mindset as the Jews of Paul's day had, you only look at the Law of Moses through your carnality, because your mind has not been "opened" to the Spiritual Side of Elohim's Law. It's a shame you continually want to turn the "light" out, so that you can remain in darkness. Why don't you try leaving the Light of Elohim, His Law, ON for a little bit, and then try to teach some Truth that ALL 616 commands have to be "kept," according to their Spiritual Fulfillments. For a certainty, Heaven and Earth will PASS before even the smallest stroke of the pen passes from the Law of Moses. Ken
                      Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                      Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                      Abstain from meats offered to idols
                      (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                      So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                      • #41
                        some TRUTH-A -MANIA....

                        truth-a-mania.



                        some .....................TRUTH-a- mania.....



                        Rev 11 v 3
                        concerns~~~~
                        the temple in Jerusalem

                        the mission is ~~~~~
                        Measuring the temple by the 2 witnesses [measure - to judge]

                        the preaching is ~~~~
                        message - repentance

                        what happened to them~~~~
                        laid down their lives for their message.

                        why?~~~~~~
                        they talked about the alter and what was going on....

                        what?~~~~~~
                        killing of animals
                        the whole system is found wanting

                        Preached~~~~
                        John the baptist preached true repentance
                        from the law of bondages on indoctrination.
                        therefore~~~~
                        John the Baptist - one witnesses
                        and Yeshua - the 2nd faithful witness. - gave up their lives.


                        what for?~~~~~
                        as a witness to the measure of the Temple, the altar, the need to repent from this system


                        you need to~~~~~
                        Get free from your
                        ''spiritual religious heroine''.

                        they were preaching in the temple in Jerusalem for 3 odd yrs
                        what~~~~~~
                        REV 11 v 3 - REPENT OF THE SYSTEM

                        Why?~~~~~
                        the kingdom of God is now.... inside - learn to live in your heaven within amen.

                        Then the whole system was destroyed in 70ad for no man could keep that system and be righteous and saved.
                        James said [ WITHOUT ANY RELIGIOUS FANCY FOOTWORK] ''break 1 of these 613 laws as a unit you break them all''

                        what a tragic position to be in
                        OUTSIDE the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN

                        the 2 witnesses Yeshua and His cousin John the B, were killed by LAWKEEPERS for their GOODNEWS of ''repent for the kingdom of God is at hand''

                        this TRUTH-A-MANIA is for all lawkeepers who insist we all must keep some parts of the doomed law....
                        stop
                        and look
                        at their indoctrination TOWARDS us ...... AWAY FROM TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT.

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                        IAH your religious ideas are slipping away as the truth comes exposed and your indoctrinations are not worthy to think on
                        i am sad you have fallen off the narrow way.

                        No fancy twists will save you because~~~~~~
                        why?
                        because JAMES KNEW WHAT IT ALL MEANT AND HOW IT WORKED.
                        therefore
                        as you [and your relations] do some of the 613, you are not saved nor born again from above,[even when u think you are] because if you were would you accept James advice.
                        PLUS
                        and also see saul/paul is false as there was never a 13th apostle.

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                        • #42
                          the bad news or the goodnews...

                          Can one be a Christian and also be a Christian Gainsayer?
                          what is a gainsayer actually...
                          to deny or disagree with (something) :
                          to show or say that (something) is not true


                          put another way~~~~
                          – ~can a Christian be deceived into thinking they are an authentic born-again believer but actually be a total gainsayer in truth?

                          But according Yeshua the answer is YES.
                          Not only is it possible, but the vast majority of Christians are in fact CHRISTIAN GAINSAYERS BUT HAVE NO CLUE THEY ARE.

                          How is this possible?
                          I suppose basically it is a CULTural thing, where we are born and accept the CULTure we are born into as ''THE TRUTH AND WE ARE RIGHT'' never dreaming it could be wrong.
                          ie the muslims never think they worship incorrectly because of this form of CULTure over their nations.
                          same as Christians,

                          yet

                          ONE HAS TO LOOK AT THE FOUNDATION of Christianity to discover, saul/paul invented ''my gospel'' and so confusion has ruled over 33000+ different '' I AM IN THE TRUE CHURCH'' mentality.

                          yet

                          YESHUA SAID ''FOLLOW ME'' ----------------------------------- not a stranger and unfortunately despite all protests to the contrary saul/paul was and is THE STRANGER.
                          THE PROOF IS ONE SHEPHERD OVER ONE FLOCK

                          Many will say ''how dare you judge apostle paul, he is terrific and I understand all what he says and you dont''
                          = again A CULTural thing called THE CULT OF PAUL.[paulianity]

                          THE ancient church accepted Pauline type of religion, founded upon 5 men, all named in ACTS,13 at Antioch
                          [3 jews and 2 black men called Simeon and Lucius] men from Cyprus and Cyrene and Manaen founded ''christianity'']

                          [Please remember the founder of Antioch [ the city] was Antiochus Epiphanies - the abomination of desolation = the swine problem]
                          this is why I am NO longer a christian.
                          the first remnant church was called THE WAY and followed Yeshua


                          the PAULINE church, has been delivered over to satan for the ''destruction of their flesh'' yet their spirit maybe saved,
                          Antioch is famous for earthquakes and this is what the poor Christian church needs, a divine earthquake to pull down false teaching that kill the pews daily and all their worldy vain practices.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                            Can one be a Christian and also be a Christian Gainsayer?
                            what is a gainsayer actually...
                            to deny or disagree with (something) :
                            to show or say that (something) is not true


                            put another way~~~~
                            – ~can a Christian be deceived into thinking they are an authentic born-again believer but actually be a total gainsayer in truth?

                            But according Yeshua the answer is YES.
                            Not only is it possible, but the vast majority of Christians are in fact CHRISTIAN GAINSAYERS BUT HAVE NO CLUE THEY ARE.

                            How is this possible?
                            I suppose basically it is a CULTural thing, where we are born and accept the CULTure we are born into as ''THE TRUTH AND WE ARE RIGHT'' never dreaming it could be wrong.
                            ie the muslims never think they worship incorrectly because of this form of CULTure over their nations.
                            same as Christians,

                            yet

                            ONE HAS TO LOOK AT THE FOUNDATION of Christianity to discover, saul/paul invented ''my gospel'' and so confusion has ruled over 33000+ different '' I AM IN THE TRUE CHURCH'' mentality.

                            yet

                            YESHUA SAID ''FOLLOW ME'' ----------------------------------- not a stranger and unfortunately despite all protests to the contrary saul/paul was and is THE STRANGER.
                            THE PROOF IS ONE SHEPHERD OVER ONE FLOCK

                            Many will say ''how dare you judge apostle paul, he is terrific and I understand all what he says and you dont''
                            = again A CULTural thing called THE CULT OF PAUL.[paulianity]

                            THE ancient church accepted Pauline type of religion, founded upon 5 men, all named in ACTS,13 at Antioch
                            [3 jews and 2 black men called Simeon and Lucius] men from Cyprus and Cyrene and Manaen founded ''christianity'']

                            [Please remember the founder of Antioch [ the city] was Antiochus Epiphanies - the abomination of desolation = the swine problem]
                            this is why I am NO longer a christian.
                            the first remnant church was called THE WAY and followed Yeshua


                            the PAULINE church, has been delivered over to satan for the ''destruction of their flesh'' yet their spirit maybe saved,
                            Antioch is famous for earthquakes and this is what the poor Christian church needs, a divine earthquake to pull down false teaching that kill the pews daily and all their worldy vain practices.
                            can a Christian be deceived into thinking they are an authentic born-again believer but actually be a total gainsayer in truth?

                            Lucy, how do YOU know that YOU are NOT deceived into thinking YOU are an authentic born-again believer? How do YOU know for certain, do YOU run to unbelievers websites and swallow everything they say??

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                            • #44
                              the bad news is

                              Christianity is a Culture unacceptable to the Good shepherd.IT bears the fruits of death. Yeshua came to bring ZOE life to His believers ...eternal life and freedom to all captives. He defeated satan yet the pauline death spiral still rules the pews....and ofcourse their teacher saul/paul rules them from his grave....how strange a few bigots fail to see Yeshuas ministry over them that declares ""I will build MY church and the gates of hell (death) shall not prevail...""....so few see this truth and are as dumb dogs...

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                              • #45
                                bad news week

                                I think it strange to see most people defend the 13th apostle and bypass the majesty of Yeshua. This would have to be from a PHARISEE spirit that HATED the truth and HATED Yeshua and HIs ministry....they too tried to Kill The goodnews and allow death to remain over them. YET the truth remains and biblically there can be No such a person as the 13th apostle nor any other type of church titled teacher Only 1 and its the GOOD shepherd only...some have minds like seives and all common sense is missing. So they become ridiculous and not worthy to take notice of as they are without dignity as were their pharisee brothers. WHEN we see such rage know the devil is stirred up and wants the truth supressed at all costs

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