very frightened people close threads...

[LucySmith]

The church police cannot allow their captives to escape. The truth shall stand...for it simply is and those who wish to harness the truth shall receive their rewards.....amen. if you have the truth inside of you it never matters what others say because the truth is so overwhelming strong and tuff that it can stand against any attack. That is why the church police shall fail and some do escape as did Gideons 300 men who then pulled the enemy down....they became Fathers super heros...not zeros. Become a fruit inspector...look at lives first then the lips. The lips try to hide a corrupt lives as all men die from the disease called sin....except for the few who are the redeemed.all weird religious beliefs produce COWARD CASTLES. The greatest thing a person can do is Pray father will come and take you home. Dont listen to anyone...LISTEN To YEsHuA.

[Spying]

The Closing Of Your Thread

Hi Lucy,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

I have asked Hyssop to check into the closing of your thread. Both ImAHebrew and myself do have the capability to close threads. Hyssop has overall control per my request over the whole apparatus of Lo Ammi. I have almost zero technical ability so I avoid technical issues lest I make a mess of things. ImAHebrew has a far better grasp of technical issues than myself, but Hyssop is one of the best.

Right now, as far as we know, none of us closed your thread. We could open the thread immediately, but the issue that exists with that opening is that such an opening might interfere with finding out the person or persons behind the closing.

I have wondered whether there might exist within the v-bulletin program a limit on how large a thread can get. I have asked Hyssop to check into that.

Anyways, Lucy, either the thread will be reopened or you may need to establish a part 11 of your thread depending upon the findings of Hyssop.

I think that I myself have only closed one or two threads during the lifetime of Lo Ammi, and I did so not because I was frightened or offended by anyone posting on the threads. Outside of heights, there is very little that frightens me, and I actually am not offended by anyone. As it is written:

Psalms 119:165

165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr

[Eliyah]

Greetings Lucy,

I do NOT believe that Ken or A.B. closed your thread. IF this was someone that "broke into the forum" they will probably do it again, however, they can be found out.

Lucy, If I were YOU, I would resume posting as IF nothing happened. I may NOT agree with everything YOU post, however, I believe in YOUR RIGHT to freedom of speech, and I will defend your right to this freedom also.

This is the first amendment of the US constitution.

See here...http://www.bing.com/search?q=freedom...AVASDF&PC=AV01

[LucySmith]

thank you.may i suggest a thought...

It will not be to your likening...gasp horror dont say it.....The world lies in deception.We are told this but the trouble is We dont really believe it...because deception belongs to other people not to me....mentality. Therefore i pray not to be deceived and trust in my saviours goodwill towards me.There are a group called the elect...it says ....unless the days were cut short if possible (which is not)even the elect could be deceived. I guess we like to think we are TheElect....but deception cannot effect them so it seems. So we can look everywhere today and see deception (worldy and Religious)...but how would the bible studying church be deceived..when all we need to do is read the bible so our deception goes.....yes/no/maybe.... so let us look at where deception began...here in paradise. THE GARDEN OF GOD....sit down be calm and what if i thought What is the garden of GOD now..There is no EDen...what is the next best thing to consider as *an EDEN*.....what?......yes. THE BIBLE.....there is deception in the bible..because there was deception in paradise (eden). Why? To sift the sons Like peter was sifted....culled..to divide those lovers of the truth to pretenders...something to think on.....the false versus the true. Seek the truth...where from the word...well thats so easy all i do is read it...and i have it. Wrong. The bible is our garden of eden experience. TO FIND OUT WHO IS NOT DECEIVED AND WHO LOVES GOD..not like adam and eve believers. NOW you can holla all you want...There is only 1 person to believe and its the Gospel messiah. One shepherd one flock. Think on this. Mary sitting at the feet of YEshua...what was she learning and doing a BETTER thing when she already knew and practiced the law and pauline letters had not been written....what was the instruction ..something to think on.dont ever forget FAther allowed the serpent into the garden..Mr Adam and Mrs. Eve.

[Eliyah]

That a Girl Lucy, don't let anyone stifle your free speech, because it is your right, and the right of free speech is like muscles, if we don't use them, we will lose them.

[Eliyah]

Lucy,

What did Messiah mean when He said this: Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3 ????

[LucySmith]

cont...opening the box of deception..

It seems the bible readings ( like a library book) shall not deliver us from deception.Only the love of the truth. Therefore i open up some options to consider. Firstly i come to believe the Messiah and our FAther are not the ****gods****of the old testament. Why? Because of their CHARACTER (we!aretoldcannotchange)how Yeshua is ...is the reflection of our Father. The fav. Verse in whole bible John 3 v16....think on this verse...mediate on it...Love is the core character...The OT gods are not lovers but blood thirsty....i do know we can make excuses for this..however. i cannot see why a Creator would wish to smash up and ruin His creation....so i intend to find out...escape from religious opinion and indoctrination.Ithink the Elohim (male and female)are not called the lord and YHWH...something happened in Genesis...and a change occurred that ruined the earth....cont.

[ImAHebrew]

Strong Delusion

It seems the bible readings ( like a library book) shall not deliver us from deception.Only the love of the truth. Therefore i open up some options to consider. Firstly i come to believe the Messiah and our FAther are not the ****gods****of the old testament. Why? Because of their CHARACTER (we!aretoldcannotchange)how Yeshua is ...is the reflection of our Father. The fav. Verse in whole bible John 3 v16....think on this verse...mediate on it...Love is the core character...The OT gods are not lovers but blood thirsty....i do know we can make excuses for this..however. i cannot see why a Creator would wish to smash up and ruin His creation....so i intend to find out...escape from religious opinion and indoctrination.Ithink the Elohim (male and female)are not called the lord and YHWH...something happened in Genesis...and a change occurred that ruined the earth....cont.

Hi Lucy, the LOVE of the Truth is what the Elohim of the OT desires all sinners to come to a KNOWLEDGE of. Yeshua asked the Jews WHY were they trying to kill Him (John 7:19). He wanted them to come to a Knowledge of the Truth that by NOT keeping the Law of Moses, they were in effect, trying to KILL Him. That disobedience to the Law/Word of Elohim, MURDERS Yeshua, and coming to a KNOWLEDGE of this TRUTH, turns sinners FROM their iniquities (separates them FROM their sin). That was the message at Pentecost...YOU evil people, with the help of wicked men, YOU murdered the Holy One of Israel, and when they heard this, THEY were cut to the heart and ASKED what must we DO. They were told to REPENT (turn from their sin), and be baptized, just as the Law of Moses REQUIRED them to do. Yes Lucy, BAPTISM is a REQUIREMENT of Moses' Law. Coming to a Knowledge of the Truth about The Sacrifice of Yeshua, is something that poor old Edgar needed to have done, but it's not too late for you. Why don't you LOVE and BELIEVE the Truth Lucy, instead of being under a Strong Delusion? Ken

P.S. On the other thread, I still await your answer on how James and Paul could say the same thing about the Parousia, and you and Edgar not condemn/accuse James also, like you have done to The Apostle Paul? Do you "close" your eyes, and put your hands over your "ears" to the Truth, or do you openly embrace the Truth?

[Eliyah]

Very well said.

Hi Lucy, the LOVE of the Truth is what the Elohim of the OT desires all sinners to come to a KNOWLEDGE of. Yeshua asked the Jews WHY were they trying to kill Him (John 7:19). He wanted them to come to a Knowledge of the Truth that by NOT keeping the Law of Moses, they were in effect, trying to KILL Him. That disobedience to the Law/Word of Elohim, MURDERS Yeshua, and coming to a KNOWLEDGE of this TRUTH, turns sinners FROM their iniquities (separates them FROM their sin). That was the message at Pentecost...YOU evil people, with the help of wicked men, YOU murdered the Holy One of Israel, and when they heard this, THEY were cut to the heart and ASKED what must we DO. They were told to REPENT (turn from their sin), and be baptized, just as the Law of Moses REQUIRED them to do. Yes Lucy, BAPTISM is a REQUIREMENT of Moses' Law. Coming to a Knowledge of the Truth about The Sacrifice of Yeshua, is something that poor old Edgar needed to have done, but it's not too late for you. Why don't you LOVE and BELIEVE the Truth Lucy, instead of being under a Strong Delusion? Ken

P.S. On the other thread, I still await your answer on how James and Paul could say the same thing about the Parousia, and you and Edgar not condemn/accuse James also, like you have done to The Apostle Paul? Do you "close" your eyes, and put your hands over your "ears" to the Truth, or do you openly embrace the Truth?

Very well said Ken, people do not understand at all!

Do you know, that "substitutionalism" is being taught by others today on different aspects of YAH'S Word.

Example: They teach that MESSIAH kept the law "in their stead so you/they don't have to" as THEY will say. However, the scriptures NOWHERE teaches "substitutionalism" at all! And I challenge anyone to try and find "this doctrine" in the scriptures? It's simply not found in the scriptures at all!

Then where does this "doctrine" above come from? The above "doctrine" is a doctrine of demons or devils!

They will also say, "" Just believe on Jesus/Yeshua and you will be saved"" as they also say. However, the book of James says even the devils or demons also believe and tremble James 2:19.

Do such people think the "devil and demons" are saved too? After all, they believe too, don't they??

[Eliyah]

Here is something else to think about. All the scriptures that I have quoted in this thread BELOW, is MESSIAH, and ALL of the Disciples quoting from the Old Testament scriptures, and Lucy does NOT, and will NOT even NOTICE all these quoted scriptures.

http://www.lo-ammi.org/forum/showthread.php?1404-The-Love-Of-Messiah-And-The-Love-Of-Elohim&p=16578#post16578

Also, the scribes, Pharisees, and Saducees of MESSIAH'S day were completely ignorant-See Acts 3:17 of all these old testament scriptures pertaining to Messiah.

[ImAHebrew]

Yeshua IS Yahweh

Here is something else to think about. All the scriptures that I have quoted in this thread BELOW, is MESSIAH, and ALL of the Disciples quoting from the Old Testament scriptures, and Lucy does NOT, and will NOT even NOTICE all these quoted scriptures.

http://www.lo-ammi.org/forum/showthread.php?1404-The-Love-Of-Messiah-And-The-Love-Of-Elohim&p=16578#post16578

Also, the scribes, Pharisees, and Saducees of MESSIAH'S day were completely ignorant-See Acts 3:17 of all these old testament scriptures pertaining to Messiah.

Shalom Eliyah, yes, ALL of those Scriptures clearly teach that Yahweh and Yeshua are indeed the SAME Stone that was rejected, and you did a very good job of putting those Scriptures together. Yeshua told those who THOUGHT they were believing correctly, that they ERR not KNOWING the Scriptures (OT Variety - Matt 22:29), and things have not changed much with those who believe that Yahweh and Yeshua were two different Elohim. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.

[LucySmith]

can 2 witnesses be found... that is the question.

on

It seems the bible readings ( like a library book) shall not deliver us from deception.Only the love of the truth. Therefore i open up some options to consider. Firstly i come to believe the Messiah and our FAther are not the ****gods****of the old testament. Why? Because of their CHARACTER (we!aretoldcannotchange)how Yeshua is ...is the reflection of our Father. The fav. Verse in whole bible John 3 v16....think on this verse...mediate on it...Love is the core character...The OT gods are not lovers but blood thirsty....i do know we can make excuses for this..however. i cannot see why a Creator would wish to smash up and ruin His creation....so i intend to find out...escape from religious opinion and indoctrination.I think the Elohim (male and female)are not called the lord and YHWH...something happened in Genesis...and a change occurred that ruined the earth....cont.

the law versus the CHARACTER,
THE ELOHOM [Father and The Word etc a family of male and female creators ] compared to 'the lord' and '''=YHWH'''[of the OT]
THE character is the persona that cannot change [ we are told this]
THE CHARACTER describes ''the god''.

first witness - THE CHARACTER DISPLAYED OF THE FATHER in the prodigal son and his story
the ''lord' O.T. re-action under the law is stoning to death as a rebellious son.

2nd witness - THE CHARACTER DISPLAYED OF THE SON in the story of the daughter taken in adultery
the 'lord' O.T.- re-action under the law is stoning to death for an adulterer.

'the lord' of the OT stoned victims of satan to death. hapless victims to a far greater power than their own feeble will.
the Elohim, of the NT forgave AND had mercy upon the sinner.

consider
a sinner faces an tremendous battle of wills because a sinner faces a power far greater than their own
a sinner has limited knowledge and often fails to even recognise their sins as sins.
a sinner is bullied by satan to commit sins.
'' a roaring lion roams, seeking who he can devour''
a sinner has no power against the greater power of evil in the world

this 'lord' of the OT kills. [thou shalt not kill] but this is besides the point...who cares, kill ém anyways,
no mercy
no forgiveness for the fallen

[LucySmith]

male /female balance....

on

the law versus the CHARACTER,
THE ELOHOM [Father and The Word etc a family of male and female creators ] compared to 'the lord' and '''=YHWH'''[of the OT]
THE character is the persona that cannot change [ we are told this]
THE CHARACTER describes ''the god''.

first witness - THE CHARACTER DISPLAYED OF THE FATHER in the prodigal son and his story
the ''lord' O.T. re-action under the law is stoning to death as a rebellious son.

2nd witness - THE CHARACTER DISPLAYED OF THE SON in the story of the daughter taken in adultery
the 'lord' O.T.- re-action under the law is stoning to death for an adulterer.

'the lord' of the OT stoned victims of satan to death. hapless victims to a far greater power than their own feeble will.
the Elohim, of the NT forgave AND had mercy upon the sinner.

consider
a sinner faces an tremendous battle of wills because a sinner faces a power far greater than their own
a sinner has limited knowledge and often fails to even recognise their sins as sins.
a sinner is bullied by satan to commit sins.
'' a roaring lion roams, seeking who he can devour''
a sinner has no power against the greater power of evil in the world

this 'lord' of the OT kills. [thou shalt not kill] but this is besides the point...who cares, kill ém anyways,
no mercy
no forgiveness for the fallen

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the balance of the MALE = ABBA
the balance of the FEMALE = the son YESHUA
ie.
*the dominion of the MALE FATHER
*the submission of the female soul = the SON = Doing His Father's will daily.
therefore
the male and female are balanced IN PERFECT UNION.

THE WILL OF THE FATHER - AS GOD OF CHARACTER, ran out to love and forgive the REPENTANT sinner
THE ACTION OF THE SON - AS GOD OF CHARACTER, used wisdom, on the Accusers under 'the lord'

the balance is there was a WORKING TEAM OF PERFECT UNION.

THIS EVIDENCE is not there in the OT under the law of 'the lord'.
there is no love, nor repentance nor mercy and compassion for the sinner.
therefore there is NO CHARACTER of balancing the male and the female in perfect union.
therefore the 'law' of ''thou shalt not kill'' becomes inmaterial.
what is interesting
is the male and female essence of Father [Spirit]/helpmeet [soul] are IN BALANCE IN THE REDEEMED = THIS IS HOW THE IMAGE OF CHRIST IS FORMED in His people. amen

under 'the lord' this doesn't happen hence no man could keep the law of 'the lord'.
why?
it was subject to changes...some laws applied to some and not to others.
i.e.
'' thou shalt not kill''
becomes
''its ok,'' if I the lord, say so.....
let's kill the nations and animals, ''who cares they are expendable''.
lets go on a killing spree', ''who cares they are sinners and rebels''
its ok.. ''I the lord have said' stuff and I am subject to change depending on my moods........I am god of the OT YHWH

[ImAHebrew]

Yahweh/Yeshua is the Elohim of Mercy and Truth that DELIVERS sinners FROM their SIN!

on

the law versus the CHARACTER,
THE ELOHOM [Father and The Word etc a family of male and female creators ] compared to 'the lord' and '''=YHWH'''[of the OT]
THE character is the persona that cannot change [ we are told this]
THE CHARACTER describes ''the god''.

first witness - THE CHARACTER DISPLAYED OF THE FATHER in the prodigal son and his story
the ''lord' O.T. re-action under the law is stoning to death as a rebellious son.

2nd witness - THE CHARACTER DISPLAYED OF THE SON in the story of the daughter taken in adultery
the 'lord' O.T.- re-action under the law is stoning to death for an adulterer.

'the lord' of the OT stoned victims of satan to death. hapless victims to a far greater power than their own feeble will.
the Elohim, of the NT forgave AND had mercy upon the sinner.

consider
a sinner faces an tremendous battle of wills because a sinner faces a power far greater than their own
a sinner has limited knowledge and often fails to even recognise their sins as sins.
a sinner is bullied by satan to commit sins.
'' a roaring lion roams, seeking who he can devour''
a sinner has no power against the greater power of evil in the world

this 'lord' of the OT kills. [thou shalt not kill] but this is besides the point...who cares, kill ém anyways,
no mercy
no forgiveness for the fallen

Hi Lucy, here are some GOOD Scriptures that show Yahweh/Yeshua (of the OT Fame) is an Elohim with the Character of Mercy and Truth:

Ex 15:11-13

(11) Who [is] like unto thee, O Yahweh/Yeshua, among the gods? who [is] like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful [in] praises, doing wonders?
(12) Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.
(13) Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people [which] thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided [them] in thy strength unto thy holy habitation.

(Ex 20:6) And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love Me (Yahweh/Yeshua, and keep My (Yahweh/Yeshua)commandments.

(Deut 7:9) Know therefore that Yahweh/Yeshua thy Elohim, He [is] Elohim, the faithful Elohim, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love Him and keep His commandments to a thousand generations;

(1Kgs 8:23) And he (Solomon) said, Yahweh/Yeshua Elohim of Israel, [there is] no Elohim like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart:

1Chr 16:34-36 King David says:

(34) O give thanks unto Yahweh/Yeshua; for [he is] good; for His mercy [endureth] for ever.
(35) And say ye, Save us, O Elohim of our salvation, and gather us together, and deliver us from the heathen, that we may give thanks to Thy holy name, [and] glory in Thy praise.
(36) Blessed [be] Yahweh/Yeshua Elohim of Israel for ever and ever. And all the people said, Amen, and praised Yahweh/Yeshua.

(Neh 1:5) And said, I beseech thee, O Yahweh/Yeshua Elohim of heaven, the great and terrible Elohim, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love Him and observe His commandments:

(Neh 13:22) And I commanded the Levites that they should cleanse themselves, and [that] they should come [and] keep the gates, to sanctify the Sabbath day. Remember me, O my Elohim, [concerning] this also, and spare me according to the greatness of thy mercy.

Psa 25:6-10

(6) Remember, O Yahweh/Yeshua, Thy tender mercies and Thy lovingkindnesses; for they [have been] ever of old.
(7) Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness’ sake, O Yahweh/Yeshua.
(8) Good and upright [is] Yahweh/Yeshua: therefore will He teach sinners in The Way.
(9) The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will He teach His Way.
(10) All the paths of Yahweh/Yeshua [are] Mercy and Truth unto such as keep His covenant and His testimonies.

(Psa 57:10) For Thy Mercy [is] great unto the heavens, and Thy Truth unto the clouds.

Pss 130:7-8

(7) Let Israel hope in Yahweh/Yeshua: for with Yahweh/Yeshua [there is] Mercy, and with Him [is] plenteous redemption.
(8) And He shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities. (Acts 3:26)

Psa 136 - Yahweh/Yeshua's Mercy endureth forever!!

Hos 6:6-7

(6) For I (Yahweh/Yeshua) desired Mercy, and not sacrifice; and the Knowledge of Elohim more than burnt offerings.
(7) But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against Me. (John 7:19)

(Mic 6:8) He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good; and what doth Yahweh/Yeshua require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy Elohim?

(Zech 7:9) Thus speaketh Yahweh/Yeshua of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:

(Zech 10:6) And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them: and they shall be as though I had not cast them off: for I [am] Yahweh/Yeshua their Elohim, and will hear them.

Those who really think that Yahweh/Yeshua of the OT is an EVIL, merciless Elohim, who has NO loving character, really has no comprehension of His Love, Truth, and Mercy, according to what the Scriptures declare. Ken

[LucySmith]

another interesting fact too revealed is.....

to the jews, the OT 'LORD' REMAINS ON THE THRONE, as a hater of Gentiles.
their OT 'Lord' is not adverse to killing of gentiles;

: A Religion that Hates all Gentiles!

Yeshua so strongly rebuked,

Jesus said,

“You teach for doctrines the commandments of men.” Matthew 15:9

Jesus referred to them as vipers the synagogue of Satan and “of your father the Devil” because “By your traditions you have made the Word of God” of no effect. Mark 7:13
.

therefore we have A SAVIOUR TO THE WORLD AND HIS FATHER, filled with love and compassion for sinners and ofcourse true repentance.

yet at the same time, we have the god called 'the lord' a despiser of the gentiles still holding court.

one system functioning under ''the lord''
one system functioning under Pauline and ''my'' gospel
one little flock functioning under THE WORKMANSHIP OF THEIR SAVIOUR.

how amazing as this.
it would appear 'the lord' rules over a nest of vipers.


from veterianstoday.com
this information.

Looking at what Israel holds out to be God’s law/the word of God, the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament, we see it is a blue print written by ancient Hebrews/Jews for the supremacy of Hebrews/Jews/Israel over all other people and over all other nations.
This is also made evident by the fact that the ancient Hebrews and Jews never attempted to convert people to Judaism because they preferred to slaughter them instead.
As the American founder and Deist Thomas Paine wrote in his very powerful and thought provoking book The Age of Reason, The Complete Edition (for Kindle version click here), “The Jews made no converts; they butchered all.”

so, this butchering seems to be the core attitudes of 'the lord' and YHWH gods of the OT
perhaps we can find more witnesses to OUR FATHER AND HIS SON YESHUA... versus YHWH and 'the lord' small l.

-----------------------------------now let us re look at this sentence......is this true fact today~~~~~~
we see it is a blue print written by ancient Hebrews/Jews for the supremacy of Hebrews/Jews/Israel over all other people and over all other nations.

this god called 'the lord'YHWH teaches this...so lining it up with secret societies....the masonic lordship of the world...kinda gets interesting and so who high-jacked the OT and made it void of life eternal the same as ''my gospel'' made eternal life void in the pews
will you look at this....
perhaps we have found our 2 OT ''''gods'' and their teaching

http://www.texemarrs.com/042003/masonic_jews_plot_world_control.htm

is it full circle?????
the OT ''god'' is not whom we think.
can we find enough evidence to expose.

the lord is a man of war Ex 15 v 3
in Hebrew, Je or Jeh/Jah means god
the suffix ''hovah'' in strong concordance 1942 is 'havvah'' translated calamity, iniquity, mischief, perverse, very wicked..
putting the 2 together. a od of ruin, mischief, calamity and noisome. [ an embodiment of evil]

who replaced the true OT?
who removed the truth?

can we find out who created a 1/2 truth and mixture?