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  • #16
    Salvation.... What is it exactly.

    the disciplines that remove all former slavish flawed thinking into THE TRUTH of divine thinking...
    to be freed from our personal curses and demonic dominations
    BE set FREE from all human limitations, IN CHRIST [ the power verb for anointing that breaks our slavish yokes]

    the process begins with repentance
    ie. '' to turn away from and to turn around too''....
    to turn away from the matrix/vanity thinking we are so used to and TURN to a new way of thinking, that removes our FALLEN D.N.A. system]

    when you look into your mirror, you see a human figure, yet this is only a MUD BODY because the REAL ME is spirit and I am having a human experience.
    the inside spirit has to COME OUT and be DISPLAYED [ Math 17 v 1-4 - as a light being] by the teachings of YESHUA.
    the TEACHING OF YESHUA, opens up our true spiritual man inside and MAKES him APPEAR AS A DOMINATE PARTNER... a spiritual being IN A human body [ the likeness of the Saviour]

    the MUD BODY contains a deceived soul called Eve'' in men and women.
    the MUD BODY wants to remain in control by being very religious and self improving and doing good works and all manner of religious trappings and laws.[ all come under the heading of self righteousness]
    the MUD BODY, has a hard time with conversion, for it is saying to the deceived soul ''SHUT UP, BE QUIET, DO AS YOURة TOLD''
    the MUD BODY, has to be OVERCOME, so the spiritual man can appear [ as he did in the Saviour]
    the MUD BODY, always works on the premise of ''seeing in believing'' and simply cannot walk by the same faith as the Son of God.
    the MUD BODY, has to learn to walk by faith and not by sight.
    the MUD BODY, hates this discipline, and will do anything to circumvent this holy processing.[ hence the Saviour's true comment '' few find eternal life'']
    the MUD BODY, will find all manner of sin and lies and lust extremely attractive.
    the MUD BODY, needs to DIE, UPON ITS CROSS, by submitting to the MAN SPIRIT WITHIN. amen [very few souls can do this]
    the MUD BODY, IS TRAINED UP enchristed, to be a LIGHT BODY OF NEW LIFE here.

    nothing shall accomplish this task, but the teaching of the Saviour and His gospel.
    this teaching has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY ''ORDINANCES OR DOCTRINES the religious have all lined up to do.''

    His holy perfect standard becomes engrafted into our lives and our former indoctrinations to the matrix removed.
    His holy perfect standard becomes engrafted into our lives and our former mindset and ways of thinking removed.
    His holy perfect standard becomes engrafted into our lives by His mercy and favour and love towards us.
    His holy perfect standard becomes engrafted into our lives by our full submission to his advice no matter what we see do or feel about it.


    the sad fact is most people are religious stupid, they follow others rather than do personal seeking, like sheep they rush to their slaughter.
    the sad fact is most people are bound by a RELIGIOUS CULTure and have their own pet beliefs that kill them in the end,
    the WORD.......S.U.R.R.E.N.D.E.R. is the best way to describe a disciple under the lordship of their Saviour.

    I must say, I HATE RELIGION it makes me vomit!!!!
    CHURCH RELIGION especially
    ANY TYPE OF IT men believe in this world - is rat poison to me.

    Yeshua doesn’t say much about sin and sinners,
    which is a tremendous contrast to the O.T. the N.T. Pharisees, and to the emphasis on ‘sin’ and ‘sinners’ among many believers today.
    Yeshua is not so much interested in petty definitions of sin and how to solve it but in people having richer lives here and being freed here.
    Yeshua is about people—not rules.
    He relieves us of our burdens of guilt and alienation rather than judging us.

    those under the law of Moses to the jews are sin conscious and forever tormented by their ugly sins.
    Last edited by LucySmith; 04-13-2016, 09:53 PM.
    THE disguise comes before THE deception
    What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
    THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
    - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
    - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
    This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~


    • #17
      to escape our bondages [ as captives] we are to be UNPLUGGED from a system

      Of failures, myths and traditional fantasies and LEARN HOW TO SEEK OUT THE TRUTH AND LOVE IT....
      Now I do realise good people don't wish to be moved out from their comfort zones of religious traditional belief and it hurts the ego to think one has been duped by a tool in Father's hand.

      Again the bible is not a library book telling us the truth and the churches a re not holy and contain the truth THEREFORE IT IS UP TO PERSONAL SEEKING and divine wisdom impartation to BE REMOVED FROM DEATH INTO ZOE ETERNAL LIFE.

      Here is a site with a comparison of listed events in the OT.
      It is very comprehensive and when you view it you see for yourself, the abuses and excuses given.
      It is up to you to compare.

      if you are godly you will compare with an honest and pure heart!!!!
      don't make excuses for evil to florish!!!

      ALWAYS REMEMBER the HOLY SPIRIT IS LOVE AND JOY AND PEACE and when these 3 elements of the divine nature are not present KNOW immediately.... evil is.....

      Many will continue to have their 'heads in the sand' and drink DENIAL JUICES thru a straw and make all manner of excuses for Barbaric acts against powerless men



      adjective: barbaric
      savagely cruel.
      "he carried out barbaric acts in the name of war"
      synonyms: brutal, barbarous, brutish, bestial, savage, vicious, fierce, ferocious, wicked, cruel, nasty, ruthless, remorseless, merciless, villainous, murderous, heinous, nefarious, monstrous, base, low, low-down, vile, inhuman, infernal, dark, black, black-hearted, fiendish, hellish, diabolical, ghastly, horrible
      "the regime's barbaric crimes were exposed after the war was over
      primitive; unsophisticated.
      "the barbaric splendour he found in civilizations since destroyed"

      synonyms: savage, barbarian, barbarous, primitive, heathen, wild, brutish, Neanderthal; More
      thuggish, loutish;
      uncouth, coarse, rough, boorish, oafish, vulga

      •uncivilized and uncultured.

      Personally I do believe it is wrong to pretend THE HOLY SPIRIT CREATES DEATH, when satan held the keys to death!!!!
      This means he had authority to destroy and murder humans,
      Yeshua TOOK THOSE KEYS BACK AND HAS THEM NOW,!!! yet this world is still ruled over by death?


      I.G.N.O.R.A.N.C.E. is the killer we are told
      My people perish from lack of knowledge and too come out from all Babylonian ministry

      The OT is filled with men and women birthed out from incest relationship and this reproduces bad blood and mental illness and deformities, how can we even begin to believe anything from the lips of such people.

      But it is all up too you this is your life not mine!!!!

      ''THEY OVERCAME satan by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB, [ the cross and its finished work, making satan a defeated foe]
      BY THE WORDS OF THEIR TESIMONY [ not a lip server but a ZOE LIFE WALKER]
      AND LOVONG NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH [ counting the cost and daily picking up their cross = meaning - to learn how to do and say like Yeshua '' SATAN YOU HAVE NOTHING ON ME'']

      Another reason why bibles are not reliable is because of the Old Testament manuscripts that bibles are translated from.

      Corrupted Manuscripts

      The Old Testament found in bibles today is not even translated from the original Hebrew texts! They are translated from the Masoretic Hebrew texts (from the 8th-10th century AD), not the original Hebrew texts. By the time bibles came around (in the 15th century), the original Hebrew had been lost, both the manuscripts and the language. There is not a man alive today who knows how to pronounce or read the original Hebrew language.

      Around the 8th-10th century AD, the Masorites took the liberty within themselves to add vowel signs to the original Hebrew Alphabet. The original Hebrew alphabet had only 22 letters and had no vowels. This 10th century manuscript is what all bibles base their Old Testament translations on.
      THE disguise comes before THE deception
      What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
      THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
      - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
      - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
      This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~


      • #18
        Lucy, where are the laws of Elohim called the law of vanity in the new testament?

        Hebrews 8:10 says... For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

        Hebrews 10:16 says...This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; See also Jeremiah 31:31-33.

        Lucy, what is THE INCORRUPTIBLE SEED to be born of???

        Peter said in 1 Peter 1:23: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of Elohim, which liveth and abideth for ever.

        Make note Lucy, the apostle Peter said, that the word of Elohim is incorruptible seed. So the word of Elohim is NOT corrupted either.

        Messiah said in a parable : Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of Elohim. Those by the way side are they that hear (the word of Elohim); then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word (of Elohim) out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

        They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word (of Elohim) with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

        And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard (the word of Elohim), go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.

        But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word (of Elohim), keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. Luke 8:11-15; See also Matthew 13:18-23.

        Make note Lucy, those who do NOT do or obey the word of Elohim, they bring no fruit to perfection.

        What else is the gospel or mystery of the kingdom Lucy?

        Messiah said:And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of Elohim: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:... The sower soweth the word (of the kingdom). And these are they by the way side, where the word (of the kingdom) is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word (of the kingdom) that was sown in their hearts.

        And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word (of the kingdom), immediately receive it with gladness And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

        And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word (of the kingdom), And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

        And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word (of the kingdom), and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred. Mark 4:14-20.

        Make note Lucy, the word of the kingdom, and the word of Elohim are the ONE and the same, and those who obey and do THE WORD, are those who bring forth FRUIT.

        So Lucy, is it not doing the word of Elohim that brings forth good fruit? Lucy, do you believe these red words ABOVE of the true Messiah?
        A bit of revelation for ye.

        Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

        By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V