What Are We Really?

[Spying]

Hi Everyone,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
Shabbat Shalom!
Prior to my baptism on December 7, 1977, I spent a number of intense years in seeking knowledge, understanding, and wisdom from YAHWEH ELOHIM. Of course, this engaged me almost exclusively in the study of HIS Word in both the Old and New Testaments. As a former ministerial student, I was trained to read biblical Hebrew and Greek, and, therefore, could go to the Greek of the New Testament to help me in my seeking. I did not retain but very little of my Hebrew learning so I could not really study the Hebrew text as an aid. My studies actually went according to what is said in the Hebrew Scriptures: "Here a little, and there a little", and I struggled every step of the way. I once fasted three days and three nights, I neither ate food nor drank water in order to understand just one verse in the New Testament, Romans 5:15. Of course, my fast mercifully ended because I was given what I was seeking. I wrote a number of papers on various subjects and sent them to various pastors in order to receive responses. My first paper was entitled, "Little Did I Know", and the paper ended with this phrase, "And little do I know".
While I was slowly learning, I began to understand that my beliefs were constantly changing. While Seekers are continually learning, we are nonetheless given some knowledge of the truth upon which we can fully stand, but even in standing, we are wise to admit that we do not have full knowledge, and, therefore, we should remain willing to alter our stand should our knowledge be expanded. What I know today, is not what I will know tomorrow. As such, Seekers live a wonderful life of discovery. As a Seeker, I did not make a good husband, nor a good father because my head was always in the clouds.
One of the first things I learned from the Scriptures was that I myself did not possess an immortal soul which after physical death floats off to either heaven or hell. I surprisingly discovered that I was myself, in this life, a mortal soul that could very easily perish through death. So, what is our purpose here on this earth? How did we come to be here, and where are we going? Is this our first rodeo, or did we have a preexistence? When we die, do we live again? Is there any way to avoid physical death?
Thanking in advance any Seekers that are moved to give answers to these and other pertinent questions, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[Spying]

Formed Dust That Comes Alive!

Hi Everyone,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
Shabbat Shalom!
It is written:
Genesis 2:7
7 And YAHWEH ELOHIM formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
What exactly is it that YAHWEH breathed into man to make the formed dust come alive?
Thanking in advance any that should be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[Eliyah]

I'll nibble A.B.

I'll nibble Spying, suppose you tell us.

Yah Bless!

Eliyahu C.

[Spying]

The Breath Of Life!

Hi Eliyah,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
I asked:
"What exactly is it that YAHWEH breathed into man to make the formed dust come alive?"
In my humble opinion, it is My Messiah Yahushua who gives us the answer right here through HIS interaction with HIS Disciples:
John 20:21-22
21 Then said Yahushua to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Where did Yahushua get the idea that HE could breathe upon HIS Disciples and command them to receive the Holy Spirit?
Obviously, the Disciples were not given the spirit at this time, so Messiah Yahushua went through this little exercise to show HIS Disciples who exactly HE was, and just who exactly the resurrected Messiah Yahushua is!
The Apostle Thomas later indicates who the resurrected Messiah Yahushua really is through this great confession:
John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My YAHWEH and my ELOHIM.
And who exactly was it that breathed the breath of life into Adam and Eve? So, is there any doubt that it was HIS spirit that YAHWEH ELOHIM breathed into Adam and Eve to make them living souls, or to put it another way, is there any doubt that the Holy Spirit itself is the breath of LIFE?
Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[Eliyah]

Greetings A.B.

The Apostle Thomas later indicates who the resurrected Messiah Yahushua really is through this great confession:
John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My YAHWEH and my ELOHIM.

Indeed true!

I presented this article below at the Unity Conference in 2009, at Rocheport, MO. and people were astonished at the numerous scriptures, and symbols that prove Who Messiah really is. Brother Jerry Healan is a close friend, he too had a short article on the same issue, he was astounded when he read this detailed article. Keep in mind brother Jerry and I did not discuss this beforehand, he presented a short exact similar article, he did not know I was presenting a longer detailed article, he and I both were amazed how YAH'S Spirit works.

Everyone can read it here..http://elyah.webs.com/newyahwehsaviorrestored.htm All the prophecies reveal, that Messiah's name when He returns, is YAHWEH-SHUA=YAHWEH SAVIOR! Messiah fulfilled every aspect of the earthly high priest in the torah, and the high priest had THE NAME YHWH on his forehead, and Messiah had this name in order to enter the HOLY PLACE in Heaven.

Shalom, YAH Bless!

Eliyahu C.

[LucySmith]

hello everyone....i would like to share

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Love comes in many forms in this life,
But there is no gift of God that matches that of a son.
I had the honour and privilege of loving my son for 25 years, and no words can express the thankfulness I feel for that.
But now sorrow has embraced my heart, and the Lord has seen fit to take him from my wife and I.
I cannot keep this sorrow within me, and like a vapor, it must come out of my soul.
I am encompassed with the cords of death, and the tears well from my heart fountain.

I sure hope this life has been for something, because I cannot fathom the hopelessness I feel.

written by Bill Lancester,

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why dont we CUT THE CHAT and find out why DEATH STILL PREVAILS........
even over the religious......[bill is religious]

I WONT REPLY TO any comment should there be any...
so again allow me to conclude >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RELIGION SUCKS....
i am sick to my guts of religions, their silly talk, stupid beliefs and its febble masters of Babylon.
vanity vanity vanity

[Spying]

Sacred Names!

Hi Eliyah,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
I am not an orthodox or classical sacred namer. I use the sacred names to avoid having to argue endlessly with those who believe that the Sacred Names must be used. I have had all day and all night bible studies with classical sacred namers at my home and at the homes of my brothers in which the only thing that sacred namers wish to discuss is the Sacred Names.
I followed your link (please don't tell Allan Cronshaw that I follow links), and I read your article, and I have a slight correction for you, that is, if my Greek copy of the New Testament is correct. I realize that variants of the Greek text of the New Testament do exist so you may be right after all, but my Greek New Testament in Acts 18:15 does show that "names" is plural and not singular as you do say right here:
"15. But if they be questions about WORDS OR NAMES( the word name is singular here), and of your own law, look to it yourselves; for I will not be a judge of such matters."
And also right here:
"The word ' names ' in verse 15 is really in the singular form ' name ' not in the plural form."
My Greek text clearly indicates that "names" is plural and not singular.
As far as Messiah using the Sacred Names, I agree that HIS use of them caused the authorities to seek HIS death. I know this through the Greek texts in the Gospel of John where Yahushua uses "ego eimi" which should tell folks that Messiah is clearly claiming to be the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14. I know this from the Septuagint which translates the Hebrew into the Greek Language as indicated right here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_that_I_Am

"In the Hellenistic Greek literature of the Jewish Diaspora the phrase "Ehyeh asher ehyeh" was rendered in Greek "ego eimi ho on ", "I am the BEING".
Septuagint Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I am HE WHO IS (ho ōn): and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, HE WHO IS (ho ōn) hath sent me unto you."
It is not by accident that John quotes the risen Yahushua in Revelations 1:8 as saying:
8 I am (ego eimi) Alpha and Omega, beginning and ending, saith the YAHWEH (Kurios), which is (Ho On, that is the BEING), and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
So, there is no doubt that the risen Messiah Yahushua is the restored YAHWEH ELOHIM.
Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[Spying]

Spirit Is Spirit!

Hi Everyone,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
I asked:
"So, is there any doubt that it was HIS spirit that YAHWEH ELOHIM breathed into Adam and Eve to make them living souls, or to put it another way, is there any doubt that the Holy Spirit itself is the breath of LIFE?"
There is no doubt. My Messiah Yahushua taught that ELOHIM is a spirit. Does a spirit have physical lungs to blow physical air into the lump of clay that became a living soul? Absolutely not! A spirit is composed of spirit. A spirit is not composed of flesh. So, it was spirit that was blown into man that caused man to become alive. Messiah Yahushua said this about spirit:
John 6:63
63 It is the spirit that gives life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Does anyone know how much of THEIR spirit did the ELOHIM blow into man to make man come alive?
Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[Eliyah]

Hi Eliyah,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
I am not an orthodox or classical sacred namer. I use the sacred names to avoid having to argue endlessly with those who believe that the Sacred Names must be used. I have had all day and all night bible studies with classical sacred namers at my home and at the homes of my brothers in which the only thing that sacred namers wish to discuss is the Sacred Names.
I followed your link (please don't tell Allan Cronshaw that I follow links), and I read your article, and I have a slight correction for you, that is, if my Greek copy of the New Testament is correct. I realize that variants of the Greek text of the New Testament do exist so you may be right after all, but my Greek New Testament in Acts 18:15 does show that "names" is plural and not singular as you do say right here:
"15. But if they be questions about WORDS OR NAMES( the word name is singular here), and of your own law, look to it yourselves; for I will not be a judge of such matters."
And also right here:
"The word ' names ' in verse 15 is really in the singular form ' name ' not in the plural form."
My Greek text clearly indicates that "names" is plural and not singular.
As far as Messiah using the Sacred Names, I agree that HIS use of them caused the authorities to seek HIS death. I know this through the Greek texts in the Gospel of John where Yahushua uses "ego eimi" which should tell folks that Messiah is clearly claiming to be the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14. I know this from the Septuagint which translates the Hebrew into the Greek Language as indicated right here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_that_I_Am

"In the Hellenistic Greek literature of the Jewish Diaspora the phrase "Ehyeh asher ehyeh" was rendered in Greek "ego eimi ho on ", "I am the BEING".
Septuagint Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I am HE WHO IS (ho ōn): and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, HE WHO IS (ho ōn) hath sent me unto you."
It is not by accident that John quotes the risen Yahushua in Revelations 1:8 as saying:
8 I am (ego eimi) Alpha and Omega, beginning and ending, saith the YAHWEH (Kurios), which is (Ho On, that is the BEING), and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
So, there is no doubt that the risen Messiah Yahushua is the restored YAHWEH ELOHIM.
Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

I use the sacred names to avoid having to argue endlessly with those who believe that the Sacred Names must be used.

This was not the purpose of the article, the purpose of the article was to RESTORE MESSIAH'S(Christ's) NAME and Who He was and is according to the scriptures, and it is written according to the R.N.O.K.J.V. and it is not based on modern translations which leave out whole verses or even whole chapters.

Does anyone know how much of THEIR spirit did the ELOHIM blow into man to make man come alive?

I suppose you will tell us though.

YAH Bless!

Eliyahu C.

[Spying]

Renewal!

Hi Everyone,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
I asked:
"Does anyone know how much of THEIR spirit did the ELOHIM blow into man to make man come alive?"
The Apostle Paul knew, and that is why he could write this:
Philippians 2:5-11
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahushua:
6 Who, existing in the form of ELOHIM, thought it not a thing to be grasped to be equal with ELOHIM:
7 But emptied himself, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore ELOHIM also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Yahushua every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Yahushua Messiah is YAHWEH, to the glory of ELOHIM the Father.
When the ELOHIM created man in THEIR image, THEY were in a war. This war was a family war, a war amongst the ELOHIM. The primary issue before the ELOHIM was one of renewal. The ELOHIM had need to renew THEMSELVES.
Now, you may ask me: Latuwr, how do you know these things?
Well, are we not made in the image of the ELOHIM? I recently watched my father die at the age of 94. He was old and feeble. He could no longer walk or even sit up in bed to relieve himself. He could not feed himself. He was helpless, and he needed someone to constantly care for his needs. My Brothers and I and our Sister served in that capacity until the day of his death. My father had need of renewal, did he not?
And renewal was the exact issue before the ELOHIM when war broke out amongst THEM.
YAHWEH ELOHIM, that is, the preexistent Messiah Yahushua, knew exactly what was required of all of THEM. YAHWEH understood that THEY all needed to give up completely what THEY were in order for ALL to be renewed. This requirement did not meet with acceptance amongst all the ELOHIM, and, hence, the unity of the ELOHIM was destroyed. The ELOHIM were now divided, and HaSatan became the leader of the rebellion.
Man was created by YAHWEH ELOHIM as a means whereby the renewal of the ELOHIM could take place. This is why the ELOHIM are mindful of us.
The ELOHIM that favored renewal agreed to empty themselves potentially into Adam and Eve. THEY willingly gave up their spirit to eventually become men and women, that is, servants themselves. The preexistent Messiah Yahushua was our leader in the creation of man, and HE is now the leader of the restored and renewed ELOHIM. The resurrected Yahushua is now the only begotten SON of the FATHER, that is, an exact duplicate of what the Father was in the Beginning, and HE won the war. HE took everything away from the ELOHIM that did not want to renew themselves, and they right now are exceedingly upset.
Do you know why?
Thanking any in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[Eliyah]

Why don't others respond and speak on this forum?

Greetings A.B.

I will give others a chance to respond.

Spying, I've wondered, why don't others in the assembly there ever speak on any of the topics you or I have created on the forum?

Shalom,

YAH Bless!

Eliyahu C.

[LucySmith]

Hi Everyone,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
I asked:
"Does anyone know how much of THEIR spirit did the ELOHIM blow into man to make man come alive?"
The Apostle Paul knew, and that is why he could write this:
Philippians 2:5-11
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Messiah Yahushua:
6 Who, existing in the form of ELOHIM, thought it not a thing to be grasped to be equal with ELOHIM:
7 But emptied himself, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore ELOHIM also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Yahushua every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Yahushua Messiah is YAHWEH, to the glory of ELOHIM the Father.
When the ELOHIM created man in THEIR image, THEY were in a war. This war was a family war, a war amongst the ELOHIM. The primary issue before the ELOHIM was one of renewal. The ELOHIM had need to renew THEMSELVES.
Now, you may ask me: Latuwr, how do you know these things?
Well, are we not made in the image of the ELOHIM? I recently watched my father die at the age of 94. He was old and feeble. He could no longer walk or even sit up in bed to relieve himself. He could not feed himself. He was helpless, and he needed someone to constantly care for his needs. My Brothers and I and our Sister served in that capacity until the day of his death. My father had need of renewal, did he not?
And renewal was the exact issue before the ELOHIM when war broke out amongst THEM.
YAHWEH ELOHIM, that is, the preexistent Messiah Yahushua, knew exactly what was required of all of THEM. YAHWEH understood that THEY all needed to give up completely what THEY were in order for ALL to be renewed. This requirement did not meet with acceptance amongst all the ELOHIM, and, hence, the unity of the ELOHIM was destroyed. The ELOHIM were now divided, and HaSatan became the leader of the rebellion.
Man was created by YAHWEH ELOHIM as a means whereby the renewal of the ELOHIM could take place. This is why the ELOHIM are mindful of us.
The ELOHIM that favored renewal agreed to empty themselves potentially into Adam and Eve. THEY willingly gave up their spirit to eventually become men and women, that is, servants themselves. The preexistent Messiah Yahushua was our leader in the creation of man, and HE is now the leader of the restored and renewed ELOHIM. The resurrected Yahushua is now the only begotten SON of the FATHER, that is, an exact duplicate of what the Father was in the Beginning, and HE won the war. HE took everything away from the ELOHIM that did not want to renew themselves, and they right now are exceedingly upset.
Do you know why?
Thanking any in advance that should be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

amen Spying, AMEN
perhaps THE FATHER LOVES the bible advice of a humble and contrite heart, in a person FOR THE ABOVE REASONS.
all of life is about RENEWAL as life is not a STAGNANT POND of same old same old ideas and situations... hence we all have our personal DREAMS and a visions OF GREATER THINGS AHEAD. amen

[Spying]

Activity At Lo Ammi

Hi Eliyah,
Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!
Shabbat Shalom!
You asked:
"Spying, I've wondered, why don't others in the assembly there ever speak on any of the topics you or I have created on the forum?"
The Assembly here, that is, A Church of God, was fractured and our unity was destroyed by various issues that arose amongst us. I understand that our experience as a group mirrors what happened amongst the ELOHIM long ago. This also applies to our individual lives and families. Our experiences both good and bad exist for our learning and to increase our understanding of things past so that we might have hope in our future.
None of the Tzaddikim, save for myself and the gentleman and his family which visited with you and your wife, actually believe in LIFE NOW! ImAHebrew comes real close to acceptance, and Hyssop, who maintains the forums, sits on the fence. I believe, but I have not been a good model for others thus far in my life. So, perhaps, the fault lies with me.
Lucy believes, and she has faithfully continued to write on this forum. In the past, we have basically disagreed on the process whereby LIFE NOW is generated and maintained.
For a number of years now, both ImAHebrew and myself have engaged believers in reincarnation on various forums. We understand that we are still in the process of training whereby we are learning to destroy the arguments of those who stand opposed to the Gospel according to the Scriptures.
It is not easy to engage us as you have experienced on this forum. Not many come here to engage us, and we do have great respect for those like yourself who do.
Hope this answer has been adequate, and thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,
Sincerely, Latuwr

[LucySmith]

our religion gets in the way.....

- in reply to Spying,,
our personal belief,
all our religious programming,
our personal flesh issues and needs causes a disharmony in fellowship.
why?
because we are flawed, and seem to insist ''our way is right''.....
even when we are born again and baptised in the spirit of life, we seem to remain flawed.
Our insanity, our madness and our religious self righteousness is on display as a witness to our flaws. DISUNITY RULES.

but there is hope.
THE LIFE immortal begins as a seed revelation,
a whisper,
a stunning divine hit in the head revelation like an electric shock and a NEW AWARENESS of a gospel enters in, that is ofcourse HIDDEN FROM THOSE WHO ARE PERISHING.
did u see this.?
THE GOSPEL IS HIDDEN FROM THOSE WHO ARE PERISH.....Yeshua said ''LET THE DEAD BURY THE DEAD''.
YESHUA SAID ''I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH and THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL against her''
stop and think on this.
ponder on its meanings.......................

thank you Allan.
each day i have written here for almost 10 years, I have written what i have heard and what i have learnt, and the Lucy Smith, that arrived here all those years ago is NOT THE SAME LUCY, that posts today - the old Lucy is far different from this Lucy who posts now, and ofcourse this growth shall continue as i am '' a work under construction'' a progress yet to be completed.....

The Lord teaches us in stages, like a school class, then we have an exam called tests and fiery trials to see if we are ready to progress into the next level called from glory to glory..
This is how the flaws and dross are removed and how sin is deleted and how holiness and purity are installed.
[the stages are glory, honour, eternal life, immortal life]
Yeshua said ''PICK UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW ME''

When a man is nailed to a cross, he progressively dies, as he is UNABLE TO HELP HIMSELF, his hands and his legs are useless -and so death happens in stages, as the whole human man shuts down - this is how we die on our personal crosses and the first part is quiet easy but towards the end the dying is extremely difficult and fiery and very testy, as we cling to HIS PROMISES even when we cannot see them manifesting.
Every part of the rebellion, the fallen nature is REMOVED only by the cross and the choices we make of ''FATHER I DO YOUR WILL''
nothing is a SUBSTITUTE for this as it is the same course our Saviour went thru.
NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING can remain IN us, that comes from this mortal world.
this mortal world is DEATH.
EVERYTHING HERE IS DEATH - death rules here.

it is the GOSPEL that abolished death.
thats the path, the pattern, the teachings the gospel obeyed abolished death.

In this glorious record, we find Yeshua's answers to all our flaws, blindness, insanity, madness and crazy reasonings that kill us all.
We have death in our DNA,... AS an abominaion of desolation we all think is normal because we KNOW NO DIFFERENCE.

THIS IS HOW FATHER IS MAKING HIS NEW CREATIONS...
THIS IS HOW HE DECIDED TO RENEW CREATION INTO HIS ''NEW''. [ so many objected too]
THIS IS HOW HE IS DOING IT.....

[LucySmith]

Ps

there is 1 man i truly admire in the bible, whose OT ministry has helped me personlly thru many a tight squeeze..CALEB

EVERYONE SAW THE GIANTS...they were all afraid for those giants were so powerfull and would kill them.
QUESTION
what are those GIANTS... BIG HAIRY CREATURES -
NO.
they are our personal flaws and weakness - those things that make us fear and lust after,
those things that create disharmony and unpleasant chaos in our thinking...
things that cause us desolation +too numerous to mention.
THIS WORLD is fear based not love based.

so CALEB SAW THOSE GIANTS,
HE KNEW THEM,
HE SAW THEM,

AND

WHAT WAS HIS OVERCOMING ADVICE....
WHAT MARVELLOUS INSPIRED UTTERING DID HE SAY


what this ordinary human man said is what gets me thru my dross deletions, by killing off my old DNA and reforming my new thinking, back to the glory

But Caleb tried to quiet the people as they stood before Moses.
"Let's go at once to take the land," he said.
"We can certainly conquer it!"

Father had given Caleb His ETERNAL TRUTH, and by His grace alone, I now do as Caleb advised.
Yes i see many giants in my life, ugly beasts ready to devour me
.... but...
LIKE CALEB I SAY '' YESHUA, TAKE MY UGLY BURDENS, MY REBELLIONS, ALL MY EVIL THINKGING,
I AM HEAVY LADENED with filthy rags as my coverings.
TAKE THEM ALL OFF ME PLEASE and allow me to be your overcomer please by YOUR STRENGTH AND SHEPHERDING ALONE''. amen

WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE?