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  • #46
    Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
    Shalom Eliyahu, maybe you just overlooked H4150 a little:

    Exo 40:2
    (2) On the first day of the first month shalt thou set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation (H4150).

    Exo 40:17
    (17) And it came to pass in the first month in the second year, on the first day of the month, that the tabernacle was reared up.

    How about that Eliyahu. The TENT of the APPOINTED TIME (H4150) was set up on the FIRST day of the FIRST month. Doesn't that ring some bells? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
    Ken, sorry, but the tent of congregation, means tent of Appointments, and does not refer to the first day of the first month as a Sabbath.

    See all of these texts on "congregation".

    http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...regation&t=KJV
    A bit of revelation for ye.

    Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

    By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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    • #47
      Yes, but WHY?

      Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
      Ken, sorry, but the tent of congregation, means tent of Appointments, and does not refer to the first day of the first month as a Sabbath.

      See all of these texts on "congregation".

      http://www.blbclassic.org/search/tra...regation&t=KJV
      Shalom Eliyahu, yes, but WHY? Why make it a directive to establish the "tent of Appointments" on the FIRST day of the FIRST month? You don't see? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
      Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

      Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
      Abstain from meats offered to idols
      (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
      So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
        Shalom Eliyahu, yes, but WHY? Why make it a directive to establish the "tent of Appointments" on the FIRST day of the FIRST month? You don't see? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
        Ken, suppose you tell us?
        A bit of revelation for ye.

        Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

        By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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        • #49
          Saturday was the first day of the week.

          IF you scroll down and look under the word WEEKS.

          Weeks

          The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

          Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

          See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

          If you think that the pagan papal astrological week has cycled all the way back to creation, then you had better think again, and such statements are a religious lie.

          More info. here: http://lo-ammi.org/forum/showthread....6572#post26572
          A bit of revelation for ye.

          Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

          By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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          • #50
            So the Children of Israel believed Saturn-day was the 1st day of the WEEK?

            Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
            IF you scroll down and look under the word WEEKS.

            Weeks

            The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

            Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

            See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

            If you think that the pagan papal astrological week has cycled all the way back to creation, then you had better think again, and such statements are a religious lie.

            More info. here: http://lo-ammi.org/forum/showthread....6572#post26572
            Shalom Eliyahu, why not quote something that states the Jews or the Children of Israel believed Saturn-day was the 1st day of the WEEK? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
            Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

            Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
            Abstain from meats offered to idols
            (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
            So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
              Shalom Eliyahu, why not quote something that states the Jews or the Children of Israel believed Saturn-day was the 1st day of the WEEK? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
              Ken,

              Because the Jewish people of the first century never followed Rome's week, and that is evident by this quote below.

              Quote: The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

              Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

              The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath; the other days they numbered rather than named, except for Friday, which could be called either the Parasceve or the sixth day.

              astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day,

              The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath;

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

              The Jewish seventh day Sabbath corresponds to Rome's FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK which is Saturn.
              A bit of revelation for ye.

              Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

              By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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              • #52
                So why don't you try to make a point that means something.

                Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                Ken,

                Because the Jewish people of the first century never followed Rome's week, and that is evident by this quote below.

                Quote: The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

                Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

                The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath; the other days they numbered rather than named, except for Friday, which could be called either the Parasceve or the sixth day.

                astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day,

                The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath;

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

                The Jewish seventh day Sabbath corresponds to Rome's FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK which is Saturn.
                Shalom Eliyahu, so why not give it a try to make a point that truly means something. All of your rambling about astrologers, hebdomada, nudina, and such means NOTHING. What matters is the last fact that you made, "The Jewish seventh day Sabbath corresponds to Rome's FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK which is Saturn." Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
                Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                Abstain from meats offered to idols
                (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                • #53
                  Ken,

                  Because the Jewish people of the first century never followed Rome's week, and that is evident by this quote below.

                  Quote: The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

                  Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

                  The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath; the other days they numbered rather than named, except for Friday, which could be called either the Parasceve or the sixth day.

                  astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day,

                  The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath;

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

                  The Jewish seventh day Sabbath corresponds to Rome's FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK which is Saturn.

                  Ken, this above does NOT mean anything to you, because you want to hold on to your tradition.

                  Then go read this book by Robert Leo Odom, he was not a lunar Sabbath observer, but he will verify the info. I have given.

                  https://www.google.com/search?rls=co...Roman+Paganism
                  A bit of revelation for ye.

                  Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

                  By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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                  • #54
                    What matters!

                    Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                    Ken,

                    Because the Jewish people of the first century never followed Rome's week, and that is evident by this quote below.

                    Quote: The Romans grouped days into an eight-day cycle called a nundina, with every eighth day being a market day.

                    Independent of the nundinae, astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day, followed by Sun-day, Moon-day, Mars-day, Mercury-day, Jupiter-day, and lastly Venus-day. Each astrological day was reckoned to begin at sunrise.

                    The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath; the other days they numbered rather than named, except for Friday, which could be called either the Parasceve or the sixth day.

                    astrologers kept a seven-day cycle called a hebdomada where each day corresponded to one of the seven classical planets, with the first day of the week being Saturn-day,

                    The Jews also used a seven-day week, which began Saturday evening. The seventh day of the week they called Sabbath;

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...of_measurement

                    The Jewish seventh day Sabbath corresponds to Rome's FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK which is Saturn.

                    Ken, this above does NOT mean anything to you, because you want to hold on to your tradition.

                    Then go read this book by Robert Leo Odom, he was not a lunar Sabbath observer, but he will verify the info. I have given.

                    https://www.google.com/search?rls=co...Roman+Paganism
                    Shalom Eliyahu, it doesn't matter that there is an 8 day week called the nundina/nundinae. What matters is that the Jews had a 7th day Sabbath that corresponded to a saturns-day, and for this to happen, some how, some way, there was a saturns-day, every seven days. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
                    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                    Abstain from meats offered to idols
                    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by ImAHebrew View Post
                      Shalom Eliyahu, it doesn't matter that there is an 8 day week called the nundina/nundinae. What matters is that the Jews had a 7th day Sabbath that corresponded to a saturns-day, and for this to happen, some how, some way, there was a saturns-day, every seven days. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
                      Old buddy, all of historical evidence that I have given shows that the Jewish seventh day corresponds to the Roman's first day of the week in the first century, and your afraid to go read the truth in the books I have provided, they are historians, they have no religious axe to grind.
                      A bit of revelation for ye.

                      Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

                      By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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                      • #56
                        I'm in total agreement.

                        Originally posted by Eliyah View Post
                        Old buddy, all of historical evidence that I have given shows that the Jewish seventh day corresponds to the Roman's first day of the week in the first century, and your afraid to go read the truth in the books I have provided, they are historians, they have no religious axe to grind.
                        Shalom Eliyahu, you're beating a dead horse. I'm in total agreement. The Jewish Seventh Day Sabbath corresponds to the Roman's first day of the week. Case closed! No further debate needed. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
                        Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                        Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                        Abstain from meats offered to idols
                        (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                        So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                        • #57
                          The Calendar you use determines whom you worship-=Satur-day.

                          The Calendar you use determines whom you worship.

                          Behind all Pagan deity worship stands Satan himself. He accepts honor in whatever name we wish to call him; Baal, Moloch, Marduk, Venus, Odin, Krishna, Aphrodite, Ishtar, Zeus, Amon-Ra, Mithras, Ahura-Mazda, Dagon -- male or female, it matters not. The most important day in the life of any satan worshipper is their annual birthday. For roughly 4,000 years, the SOLSTICE has been -- by proxy -- the day of Satan's birthday celebration (because he is the designer of the original astrological religious pattern), and deceived mankind to cause them to worship the sun.

                          Nimrod, grandson of Noah, son of Cush, was the real founder of the Babylonian system that has gripped the world ever since. Nimrod built the tower of Babel, the original Babylon, ancient Nineveh, and many other cities. He organized this world's first kingdom. The name Nimrod, in Hebrew, maybe derived from "Marad' meaning, "he rebelled." (Gen. 10: 6,8-12)

                          Nimrod was known as the god of the Chaldean Mysteries. In the Chaldean mysteries, the Babylonian dictator Nimrod was deified as Saturn. Satan and Saturn are the same words, one 'Early Latin', and the other 'Late Latin'... His birthday was celebrated on December 25th or the Saturnalia. Saturn and Mystery are both chaldean words, and they are correlative terms. As Mystery signifies the hidden system, so Saturn signifies the hidden god.*

                          Saturn in Chaldee is pronounced Satur, but as every Chaldee scholar knows, it consists only of four letters, thus-STUR. This name contains exactly the Apocalyptic number 666:--
                          S=060
                          T=400
                          U=006
                          R=200
                          ---------
                          666
                          Read the entire article here: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Hebrew...n%27s_Birthday
                          A bit of revelation for ye.

                          Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

                          By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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                          • #58
                            Back to the top.

                            Back to the top.
                            A bit of revelation for ye.

                            Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

                            By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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                            • #59
                              Much history of todays seven day planetary week is in this thread to read.
                              A bit of revelation for ye.

                              Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

                              By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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                              • #60
                                Fred Myers and the W.L.C. team deserves credit for their research on when the modern day planetary seven day week began, and they too write about this first day of the Roman seven day week of this calendar listed here. https://dayology.com/2017/03/24/the-...ths-parapegma/

                                Continuous Weekly Cycle Proven False.

                                A later seven-day week Julian calendar, as seen in the following drawing of a stick calendar found at the Baths of Titus (constructed 79 – 81 A.D.), provides further proof that the Biblical Sabbath can never be found using the Julian calendar. The center circle contains the 12 signs of the zodiac, corresponding to the 12 months of the year. The Roman numerals to the left and right indicate the days of the month. Across the top of the stick calendar appear the seven planetary gods of the pagan Romans.9
                                Saturday (or dies Saturni – the day of Saturn)10 was the very first day of the week, not the seventh.

                                As the god of agriculture, he can be seen in this preëminant position of importance, holding his symbol, a sickle. Next, on the second day of the pagan planetary week, is seen the sun god with rays of light emanating from his head. The second day of the week was originally dies Solis (the day of the Sun – Sunday). The third day of the week shows the moon goddess, with the horned crescent moon as a diadem on her head. Her day was dies Lunæ (day of the Moon – Monday). The rest of the days are represented by the other planetary gods, ending with dies Veneris (day of Venus, which in Northern European languages was changed to a Norse godess and became Friga’s day, or Friday.)11
                                https://www.worldslastchance.com/yah...ven-false.html

                                And here: The Modern Seven Day Week: Exploring the History of a Lie.

                                https://www.worldslastchance.com/yah...-of-a-lie.html
                                A bit of revelation for ye.

                                Messiah is the I AM He YAH of Scriptures, and He says so in John 8:58, and they would NOT believe Him either, will ye believe Him, and Messiah said to them- I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE/YAH, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24; See also Exodus 3:13-15.

                                By His name YAH . Psalms 68:4 N.K.J.V

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