I am quoting Old Shep explaining Isaiah 53:5 to illustrate how content the Christians are with anything that they can use out of the Tanakh to validate their NT faith.
I'll be glad to answer you Old Shep. I didn’t go away. I am not a fair weather poster. I assume that you was trying to make a reference to Isaiah 53:5 in your second paragraph, but I believe that a helpful hand made you point out to Isaiah 55:5.
Isaiah 55:5 * Surely you will summon nations you know not, and nations that do not know you will hasten to you, because of Yahweh your Elohim, the Sacred One of Israel, for he has endowed you with splendor."
Zechariah is even more specific…
Zechariah 8:23 * This is what Yahweh Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew (i.e. one who is obviously not a Christian or Gentile) by the hem of his robe and say, `Let us go with you, because we have heard that Elohim is with you.'"
By the time "those days" come around Christianity will be proven to be 100% dysfunctional. In the meantime Christians like Old Shep continue to shy away from the truth. There is nothing in Isaiah 53:5 that tells me that the person or entity spoken of has died or needed to die for any of the listed causes, or that it needed to resurrect on the 3rd day as some kind of a sign, or that it had to go back to Heaven and come back another day, or that everybody had to believe it or else be burnt forever in a Heathen Inferno, and so on. This is definitely not the idea of salvation portrayed in the Tanakh. As you can probably tell, Jesus Christ suffering hardly amounts to a slap in the wrist compared to what the Jews have suffered under Christianity.
The Christians say that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world. The NT is very dysfunctional at this point. John the Baptist even claims that Jesus Christ is the "Lamb of -o- that takes the away the sin of the world."
John 1:29 (NIV) The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Paul claims that Jesus Christ is in fact the "Passover Lamb."
1 Corinthians 5:7b (NIV) …For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
In our turf we all know that the Passover lamb has no power whatsoever to take away any sin. It is butchered in the celebration of Passover. It is eaten by everyone in a family setting to celebrate the Passover. Since it is only used in the celebration of the exodus, anyone who partakes of the Passover lamb is not required to make any motion or to have faith in any future event. When the Passover lamb dinner was instituted there was not a single requirement that ALL the family members should believe in anything to be spared from the angel of death. They were all saved, regardless. It was only because of the obedience of the head of the family that all the family members were saved, regardless of whether they believed in anything or not. The Christian philosophy about salvation is a concoction of bizarre ideas about the effect of the Passover lamb in a personal saving faith. Unless every member of a family believes he/she will roast forever in sulfur, brimstone, fire, and so on, they say. Others exempt children under 12 years of age, the mentally retarded, and so on.
The Christians hold that when Jesus Christ was put to death he mimic the death of a Passover lamb. After he died everybody was supposed to eat of his flesh and drink his blood forever in a cannibalistic ritual known as the "Eucharist." Nowhere in the Tanakh do we see a requirement from Almighty Yahweh for a human sacrifice either for a symbolic or real eating of a stiff's flesh and drinking of a stiff's blood of any kind to ease his wrath. It is as simple as that. There was an idol in the form of a lamb worshipped by the Egyptians, though…
Exodus 8:25-26 * And Pharaoh called for Moses and for Aaron, and said, Go ye, sacrifice to your Elohim in the land. And Moses said, It is not meet so to do; for we shall sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians (i.e. one of the Egyptian idols in the form of a lamb) to Yahweh our Elohim: lo, shall we sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians (i.e. one of the Egyptian idols in the form of a lamb) before their eyes, and will they not stone us?
The sacrifice of a lamb for the Passover event was more the show of spite to one of the Egyptian idols than the symbolism of a messiah savior. By the way, if it were true that the lamb that was sacrificed in the NT was Jesus Christ nobody, but nobody would be allowed to eat the flesh of that lamb or drink the blood of it without dying before Yahweh. So the whole symbolism of Jesus Christ as a Passover lamb is totally dysfunctional and the bit of "the Lamb of -o- that takes away the sin of the world" totally false. The NT writers were Greek and had very little knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Leviticus 19:5 * "`When you sacrifice a fellowship offering to Yahweh, sacrifice it in such a way that it will be accepted on your behalf.
6 It shall be eaten on the day you sacrifice it or on the next day; anything left over until the third day must be burned up.
7 If any of it is eaten on the third day, it is impure and will not be accepted.
8 Whoever eats it will be held responsible because he has desecrated what is sacred to Yahweh; that person must be cut off from his people.
There is hardly a page in the NT that is not dysfunctional. So watch out, don't let the Christians get you!
Isaiah 53:5 But he (singular) was wounded for our (plural) transgressions, he (singular) was bruised for our (plural) iniquities: the chastisement of our (plural) peace was upon him; (singular) and with his (singular) stripes we (plural) are healed.)
You still have never given a direct answer to my question about this verse. Since according to what you think and believe Israel/Judah's sins were totally forgiven in Isaiah 44. Whose transgressions are these in 55:5? Who was wounded for whose transgressions?
You still have never given a direct answer to my question about this verse. Since according to what you think and believe Israel/Judah's sins were totally forgiven in Isaiah 44. Whose transgressions are these in 55:5? Who was wounded for whose transgressions?
Isaiah 55:5 * Surely you will summon nations you know not, and nations that do not know you will hasten to you, because of Yahweh your Elohim, the Sacred One of Israel, for he has endowed you with splendor."
Zechariah is even more specific…
Zechariah 8:23 * This is what Yahweh Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew (i.e. one who is obviously not a Christian or Gentile) by the hem of his robe and say, `Let us go with you, because we have heard that Elohim is with you.'"
By the time "those days" come around Christianity will be proven to be 100% dysfunctional. In the meantime Christians like Old Shep continue to shy away from the truth. There is nothing in Isaiah 53:5 that tells me that the person or entity spoken of has died or needed to die for any of the listed causes, or that it needed to resurrect on the 3rd day as some kind of a sign, or that it had to go back to Heaven and come back another day, or that everybody had to believe it or else be burnt forever in a Heathen Inferno, and so on. This is definitely not the idea of salvation portrayed in the Tanakh. As you can probably tell, Jesus Christ suffering hardly amounts to a slap in the wrist compared to what the Jews have suffered under Christianity.
The Christians say that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world. The NT is very dysfunctional at this point. John the Baptist even claims that Jesus Christ is the "Lamb of -o- that takes the away the sin of the world."
John 1:29 (NIV) The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Paul claims that Jesus Christ is in fact the "Passover Lamb."
1 Corinthians 5:7b (NIV) …For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.
In our turf we all know that the Passover lamb has no power whatsoever to take away any sin. It is butchered in the celebration of Passover. It is eaten by everyone in a family setting to celebrate the Passover. Since it is only used in the celebration of the exodus, anyone who partakes of the Passover lamb is not required to make any motion or to have faith in any future event. When the Passover lamb dinner was instituted there was not a single requirement that ALL the family members should believe in anything to be spared from the angel of death. They were all saved, regardless. It was only because of the obedience of the head of the family that all the family members were saved, regardless of whether they believed in anything or not. The Christian philosophy about salvation is a concoction of bizarre ideas about the effect of the Passover lamb in a personal saving faith. Unless every member of a family believes he/she will roast forever in sulfur, brimstone, fire, and so on, they say. Others exempt children under 12 years of age, the mentally retarded, and so on.
The Christians hold that when Jesus Christ was put to death he mimic the death of a Passover lamb. After he died everybody was supposed to eat of his flesh and drink his blood forever in a cannibalistic ritual known as the "Eucharist." Nowhere in the Tanakh do we see a requirement from Almighty Yahweh for a human sacrifice either for a symbolic or real eating of a stiff's flesh and drinking of a stiff's blood of any kind to ease his wrath. It is as simple as that. There was an idol in the form of a lamb worshipped by the Egyptians, though…
Exodus 8:25-26 * And Pharaoh called for Moses and for Aaron, and said, Go ye, sacrifice to your Elohim in the land. And Moses said, It is not meet so to do; for we shall sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians (i.e. one of the Egyptian idols in the form of a lamb) to Yahweh our Elohim: lo, shall we sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians (i.e. one of the Egyptian idols in the form of a lamb) before their eyes, and will they not stone us?
The sacrifice of a lamb for the Passover event was more the show of spite to one of the Egyptian idols than the symbolism of a messiah savior. By the way, if it were true that the lamb that was sacrificed in the NT was Jesus Christ nobody, but nobody would be allowed to eat the flesh of that lamb or drink the blood of it without dying before Yahweh. So the whole symbolism of Jesus Christ as a Passover lamb is totally dysfunctional and the bit of "the Lamb of -o- that takes away the sin of the world" totally false. The NT writers were Greek and had very little knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Leviticus 19:5 * "`When you sacrifice a fellowship offering to Yahweh, sacrifice it in such a way that it will be accepted on your behalf.
6 It shall be eaten on the day you sacrifice it or on the next day; anything left over until the third day must be burned up.
7 If any of it is eaten on the third day, it is impure and will not be accepted.
8 Whoever eats it will be held responsible because he has desecrated what is sacred to Yahweh; that person must be cut off from his people.
There is hardly a page in the NT that is not dysfunctional. So watch out, don't let the Christians get you!
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