what is perfection? who wants to be 'perfect' can we be 'perfect'?

[LucySmith]

why do most consider it impossible
why do some consider perfection a dirty word?
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yet the bible is very clear

When Emmanual says "Be ye perfect as your Father in heaven in perfect,"


question what is NT perfection?

does that mean we can attain perfection, and should we?

perfection means COMPLETED/BLAMELESS.
THEREFORE AS A BELIEVERS - they are in training to be a completed in HIM.

And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.” (Gen. 17:1, KJV)

THE WORD used is...
[QUOTE]Genesis 17:1 is “taw-meem''

H8549 tamiym {taw-meem'}
* from 08552; TWOT - 2522d; adj
without blemish
perfect
upright
without spot
upright
whole
complete
full
* 1) complete, whole, entire, sound 1a) complete, whole, entire 1b) whole, sound, healthful 1c) complete, entire (of time) 1d) sound, wholesome, unimpaired, innocent, having integrity 1e) what is complete or entirely in accord with truth and fact.


''I will built MY church without spot, wrinkle nor unclean thing'' - Messiah's handiwork.

"But whom then do you mean by ‘one that is perfect?’
We mean one in whom is
..... ‘the mind which was in Christ,’
and
...... who so ‘walketh as Christ also walked;
a man
....... ‘that hath clean hands and a pure heart,’
or
.......
that is
........ ‘cleansed from all filthiness of flesh and spirit;’ one in whom is ‘no occasion of stumbling,’
and
........ who, accordingly, ‘does not commit sin.’”
(From A PLAIN ACCOUNT OF CHRISTIAN PERFECTION, as believed and taught by the Reverend John Wesley,]

so is this possible.
u have to answer this for yourself.


Messiah is building a PERFECTED CHURCH........
the teacher is called THE H.O.L.Y. spirit.

when was the HOLY spirit ever considered less that perfect, full and complete?
if He dwells IN You as per John 15 - why do ye lack?
something to think on

[LucySmith]

i love Larry's edification of perfection..

PERFECTION



Much can be written on this subject, but I have chosen a small part of this Glorious topic which the Lord has laid on my heart.

In James 5:11 talking about patience, he refers to the man Job.
Job had patience although we would think that he should have been impatient.
This patience was fruitful, for the end of Job’s trials was better than his beginning, and he received the “double portion”.
He is a type of the Sons of God who receive the double portion.



James says that the Lord is:



Very Pitiful Of Tender Mercy

Manifest in not allowing Job to Manifest in giving Job the End

Suffer more than he could bear Blessing



Job is a type of the Sons of God.
He saw Perfection and Immortality. Job 19:25, 26:

He knew that his redeemer Lives
He had faith for end time truth
He knew that even if he died he would be made immortal
He saw a renewed, restored body and that in this new body he would see God.
This renewed man was to be the start of a higher vision and walk with God.

Sad for Job that he was born ahead of time before Jesus resurrection, because he couldn’t partake in the flesh, what he saw in the Spirit.

In Job 19:27, he wanted to see the Lord for Himself, and not as a stranger. You see Job through his trials had a renewed vision. He wanted the presence of the Lord.

Job was seeing Perfection.

The former religious man now has a heart seeking after perfection and Life.

If you follow Job’s circumstances, Ch.42:12, the Lord blessed his latter end more than his beginning.
In v10, he had the double portion which comes to the Sons of God. He had 10 new children; seven sons and three daughters. The meaning of the names of his daughters reveals the Divine Completeness of his end day blessing:

Jemima – lit. “handsome as the day”
Kezia - lit. “sweet fragrance”
Keren-happuch – lit. “child of beauty”
“Seven” is the number of Perfection,

“Three” is the number of Divine Completeness,

“Ten” is the number of Governmental Restoration.

Understand the significance of this fruit in Job as it relates to the Sons of God now, prophesying the beauty and sweetness of The fruit of the Sons of God, and the Perfection, Completeness and Restoration of all things in the Kingdom of Jesus Christ on this earth. Their ministry will produce a sweet fragrance on the earth of the Glory of the Lord, as they bring this planet under Jesus Divine control.

The other thing in Job is 42:15, he birthed a New Order.

In the old law, daughters do not have inheritance with sons. He broke this down and he gave them inheritance. The Sons of God will birth a whole new order as they break the power of satan’s dominion over the earth and replace it with the Glory of the Lord.

In 1Corinthians13:9, Paul sees a Perfection coming, and that which is imperfect will be done away or “made of no use”. You see Perfection outstrips imperfection. “Perfection” here means “full”, “ripe”, “the end”. The Greek “Telios”.



Hebrews 5:9 – being made PERFECT, Jesus became the author of Eternal Salvation. The Perfect One wrote the book on it! V10, “named of God a high priest after the order of Melchisedec”. The Melchisedec priesthood are Perfect, without beginning or end! They are authors of things to come. V11, sadly Paul had to admit that those to whom he was writing were dull of hearing.

To the Church I say open your ears, and hear the call of the Prophets into the Third Feast.

Come out of your stale order and into the Glorious Light hidden from the ages, but now being revealed by His Prophets.

If you don’t you will die on the other side of Jordan. Cross over on the stones laid by the end time prophets into your inheritance.

In Hebrews 9:11, Jesus became a High Priest of good things to come by a greater and more Perfect Tabernacle. In V10, the legalistic things were imposed until the time of reformation. So to today. The legalism in the church will give way to Life. In Ch 9:8, the Holy of Holies cannot be opened up to the understanding whilst the religious order still stands.

The prophets of Glory long to set the church free and bring them into the higher Feast. These prophets do not want anything from you, they do not want to expose you, they have a burning to set you free and bring you to the higher realm.

The reformation emanates from Jesus the author. The veil of blindness has been broken in His Sons. They have seen the Perfect.

In Leviticus 4:6, the priest sprinkled the blood 7 times (perfection) before the Lord in the sanctuary, and in V17, he sprinkled it again 7 times before the veil into the Holy of holies. There is a second sprinkling beloved, it’s for the entry into the Holy of Holies.

Hebrews 10:1 – Law can never make perfect.
The problem is “sin consciousness”.
The church whilst saying their sins are washed away, still have a sin and death consciousness. This must be purged, and can only be done by the “second sprinkling of the blood” seven times unto perfection.

Hebrews 2:10 - by the Captain of our salvation being made Perfect, He can by all things bring many Sons unto Glory.





“ He is all merciful by character. His nature is Mercy. Coming to His Perfection involves coming into the realm of His Mercy that David found. He gave the “sure mercies of David” in covenant. David understood them, lived them , and operated in them. The “sure mercies of David” pertain to resurrection Life. This realm of His Mercy is higher. In the Kingdom day, this Mercy will be revealed in the Feast of Tabernacles.

People will seek for Mercy, Truth and Faithfulness in His Sons, whom Jesus has exposed to the limits of personal dealing to bring them to Perfection. Mercy has been accepted in the outer court as a doctrine of salvation and received by faith, that “the Lord is merciful to sinners”.

The Sons of God have been put through the furnace of circumstances, where they had nothing to hang on to but the Sure Mercies of David. This Mercy is through the veil at the Mercy Seat of His Presence where His Glory shines. The entry in is through the “second sprinkling of the blood of Jesus”. This is for perfection. This is where Mercy changes from doctrine to the heart. It washes the eyes with the eyesalve of Spiritual insight.”





The Sons of God have come into Perfection through suffering and the burning out of the Adamic nature. The Lord made them because of this, His Elect. The church may come into perfection by receiving this Word of Truth, and by humility and submission, allow the Elect to take them to the mountain of the Lord, for His Elect are the Saviours on Mount Sion to bring His Church to perfection. To become perfect, imperfection must go. You must come to the full stature of a perfect man.

Those born again but still with the imperfect Adamic nature are drinking from natural breasts of birth, circumstances, people, influences and natural choices. He will wean you to where these things are cut off. The milk of stubbornness and pride will be cut off, and you will suck the breasts of humility and brokenness. This milk produces a new nourishment of Life and entry into His nature.

This is not a critical or judgemental word, but a growth and maturing principle.



To the church I say that Jesus wants to wean you from the breasts of natural nourishment to Isaiah’s glorious revelation in Ch 66:11, that you suck the breasts of spiritual Jerusalem, and be delighted with the abundance of her Glory.



Joseph is the type of the Sonship. In Genesis 49, Jacob reveals the various natures of his twelve sons. In V22 – about Joseph, he says

he is a fruitful bough by a well
his branches run over the wall (so others can pick his fruit!!)
he has been afflicted and persecuted
his hands were made strong by the hands of the Mighty God of Jacob
he received help and blessings from heaven, the deep, blessings of the womb and the breasts
the blessings on him were greater unto the utmost boundaries
his head was crowned
he was separated from his brethren


To the Sons of God, I call patience and blessing out of Zion. You will be revealed and lifted up from “dead men in the streets”. Your ministry will come forth as the shining of the sun. As Job there will be a restoration into the double blessing and you will minister the beauty and sweetness of Jesus Day .



To the church I ask you not to turn a proud eye to these truths. You can be delivered from the realm of sin consciousness which leads to physical death. The Feast of Tabernacles is for you and you can stare the grave in its face rejecting it for your Glorious inheritance. Seek for the End Time prophets. Invite them in to your pulpits. Humble yourselves to accept them for they hold the Key of David. There is a perfecting. Allow the Spirit of God to speak to you.

















ALL GLORY TO JESUS



LARRY WILSON





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[Edmund Dantes]

Ah yes, christian perfection. It's not what you do, it's how your synapses are firing. All those aetheists, so immoral even when they do good things, but lets ignore those because their synapses don't fire like ours. Still looking down on people?? Only you walk with god Lucy, Spying doesn't, that enemy, that judiazer. He's so jewish. But you, Paul in the NT would have called you to speak to the churches every Sunday to preach about Dionysys, I'm sorry, meant Jesus.

Whats really funny is that you quote the ot where God tells abraham to do something he can't do because he's Jewish! Why even be christian? You obviously beleive Jews can be perfect...except for spying, he's dirty, probably doesn't eat pork...that's why God doesn't like him, because of what he eats or the day he goes to Church.

[LucySmith]

Ah yes, christian perfection. It's not what you do, it's how your synapses are firing. All those aetheists, so immoral even when they do good things, but lets ignore those because their synapses don't fire like ours. Still looking down on people?? Only you walk with god Lucy, Spying doesn't, that enemy, that judiazer. He's so jewish. But you, Paul in the NT would have called you to speak to the churches every Sunday to preach about Dionysys, I'm sorry, meant Jesus.

Whats really funny is that you quote the ot where God tells abraham to do something he can't do because he's Jewish! Why even be christian? You obviously beleive Jews can be perfect...except for spying, he's dirty, probably doesn't eat pork...that's why God doesn't like him, because of what he eats or the day he goes to Church.

ummm i see u suffer from an uneducated and unsound mind Eddy - or perhaps u only wish to appear stupid.

BTW Abraham was not a jew nor a christian
no jews are not perfect - but lost in a sea of unbelief.
no further comment.

PS I FORGOT TO ADD ... Messiah was not a jew either.
ofcourse most people go crazy when u tell them this truth -

Was Jesus Christ a Jew?

By Dr. Wesley A. Swift

http://www.jesuswasnotajew.com/page-1/

Tonight we are speaking on a subject which the Church must learn to understand. There are many people who are under a strange delusion, finding themselves serving a fake set of ideas, which are very disturbing to them in the light of what they know and see round about. There are many who have been told that Jesus Christ is a Jew, and therefore The Most High and Saviour of their Christian faith comes out of a race which hates Christianity, does all that it can to destroy it, and is now working insidiously all over the United States to get the Bible and prayer out of our schools, and to take the Name of Jesus Christ out of every phase of our national life.

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http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/ChristNotAJew.htm

[Edmund Dantes]

Spying is dirty because he's a judiazer! To go to hell with all the Jews! (starting to think sarcasm is lost here) I guess Abraham goes with them since he was neither. But you'll save him! Since he obviously doesn't read the same Bible as you, not with Larry Wilson's help! I don't know spying, nor am I a relative, nor do I hate him as your first post suggested. I come to religious forums and talk rationally and get some insight and ask questions. Like most 'christians' you're too busy slinging poop to realize that's what you're all about, how much better you are then the rest of the world. You'd tell jesus your $&$& don't stink.

[LucySmith]

ok - now u have got the puke off your chest......
the real truth is eddy - when the truth is being exposed satan gets uppity and so sends people like yourself to derail the truth - its called the 'spirit of python' and it is insane as your ravings suggest to all Holy Discerners of the Word of God.

no further comment

[Edmund Dantes]

Yes, i was sent by satan, the other mythical creature in your life. Who was created by God of course, since God created everything....don't think about it though, it'll just hurt.

[LucySmith]

no comment = too boring.

[Edmund Dantes]

Keep sending god's creations to hell to be tortured by your all loving master.

[LucySmith]

your'e insanity is showing eddy....

plus ignorance and darkness and just plain dog-gone silliness.
but hey - get it off ya chest.

it gives me a good laugh
hang on
i will rile ya up, reve ya up so u can spit out 'python' and give u a dose of Larry wilson....
boy does he edify the believers in Christ.


come let me see u gnash ya teeth....

“My Faithful Ones, My Sons, you must become singular and total in your commitment to your calling.
Refuse the invitations of those who present traditions, rudiments, and philosophies and try to present human ideologies.

As you stand for Me you will surely be persecuted even from those within your own household.

You will be persecuted by the ungodly who will accuse you of rudeness in a human sense and that you are both ignorant and arrogant.

Be not concerned about these judgements for they are empty and void of any power and come from people who cannot even see My glory in creation around them.

They find their answers in the ignorance of scientific theories none of which are truth.
You will also be accused by the general flow of the religious who have never heard the treasures of which you speak. They will accuse you of pride and even label you as heretics.
They are insecure for they know not where to find My presence.
They supplement their Spiritual hunger within “man-made” food in place of the manna from Heaven. My Sons, your mother is in travail. You are uncomfortable in her womb, however you shall not be revealed until I open the womb and then it shall be fulfilled that the firstborn from the womb are Mine and you shall receive a name which I shall give you and you shall wear it in Glory and Honour for it is My name for you and it shall be known again that “this day in the City of David his seed is born” but they shall not find you, yea they shall not see you for I shall lift you out says The Lord and then shall you rejoice, and you will be filled with My Glory and you shall receive your reward for the price you paid and the reproach you bore.
Your sacrifices will seem small compared to your new nature. My immortality shall be your life, and this will glow from you bringing the knowledge of My Glory.
You will stand in the cloud of My Presence and I will cover you and you shall go forth with the ministry of restoration and peace and together we shall break the spirit of bondage over creation and all that The Father has assigned unto Me shall I trust to you for you have been found worthy to bear My Divine Nature. Your accusers shall fall before you as I open their blind eyes and they shall plead for what you have. You will be a ministry of priests of My new day and you will lead creation to the Feast of Tabernacles.
Fear no enemy for you are in My Hand. Rise above the disappointments of people, for these things will happen and you will not change their stony hearts, only I can do that in due time.
Keep your faces before Me and listen to My prophets whom I have chosen to encourage you and to lead you. Even now I give you strength through My Word to you. Take it, wear it on your heart and know that My eye is upon you day and night. My Spirit is sent with a ministry to perfect you. Some of you My Sons are in difficult circumstances. I will move on your finances do not be troubled over this.
I will move on your circumstances and change will come in areas that trouble you. The wilderness will soon be behind you, and the joys of your calling will lift you up. Trust me as you have done for surely these things will come to pass. I watch you,
I protect you, and I will complete my plans for you, for I know the plans I have for you, says The Lord, they are plans for good and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope”.



ALL GLORY TO JESUS



LARRY WILSON

[Edmund Dantes]

I know! Its like how I was told that if I talk reason to christians about creationism, they'll damn me to hell!

You have no idea what a self fullfilling prophecy is do you? If you act nuts, people are going to treat you that way. Funny how in Larry Wilson's church this is a prophecy! And you buy it and preach it and best yet use it to jusify what you believe! At least the Mormons try to hide their magic underwear.

http://www.ask.com/questions-about/Examples-of-Self-fulfilling-Prophecy

Just ask.com

[LucySmith]

[no comment]

[Edmund Dantes]

http://members.westnet.com.au/ldwilson/

Seriously Lucy, this guy is nuts. He's preaching as though HE IS JESUS! I got news...he's not.

They find their answers in science which there is no truth? How do you say that while using a computer? You know a computer comes from many years of hard work experimenting and studying science right?

But in all seriousness, that is one deranged man. i know, you think it means he's of God because i say h's nuts.

[Edmund Dantes]

Skipped right over that self fufulling prophecy part didn't you?

[LucySmith]

actually i dont make a habit of interacting with the unsound minds of unbelievers

or indian guru wisdom.....................

so this will be my last post to you eddy