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  • #16
    Some more help for you Lucy!

    Hi Lucy, you would do well to examine the whole book of Jude very closely. Jude (also known as Judas, the 1/2 brother of Yeshua and brother of James) wrote his book just prior to the destruction of the physical temple. His book was written as a warning for the current and imminent apostasy in which "certain men-ungodly men" crept into the Assembly and laid the foundation for the apostasy. You Lucy, have swallowed, hook, line, and sinker the false gospel that these ungodly men taught. Their false gospel turns the Grace of Elohim INTO licentiousness. Look up that word Lucy. Here is it:

    li·cen·tious

    1. Lacking moral discipline or ignoring legal restraint, especially in sexual conduct.
    2. Having no regard for accepted rules or standards. (Like remembering the Sabbath day to keep it holy!)

    It comes from the Greek word:

    G766
    ἀσέλγεια
    aselgeia
    as-elg'-i-a
    From a compound of G1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed σελγής selgēs (of uncertain derivation, but apparently meaning continent); licentiousness (sometimes including other vices): - filthy, lasciviousness, wantonness.

    Peter uses this word also in his letters:

    2Pe 2:2
    (2) Many will follow their sensuality (G766), and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;

    2Pe 2:18-22
    (18) For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality (G766), those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,
    (19) promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
    (20) For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Master and Savior Messiah Yeshua, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
    (21) For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
    (22) It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

    Lucy, the question needs to be asked. How can the Grace of Elohim be turned into sensuality (the following of fleshly desires)? The only way that could happen is by and through lawless men in the twisting and distorting of what the Apostle Paul wrote:

    2Pe 3:14-18
    (14) Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
    (15) and regard the patience of our Master as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,
    (16) as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
    (17) You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled (lawless/wicked) men and fall from your own steadfastness,
    (18) but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Master and Savior Messiah Yeshua. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

    You see Lucy, these reprobate vipers, these deceivers, twisted what Paul wrote, and their twisted, distorted understanding of Grace is what YOU and all of false traditional christianity believe today. You believe you have NO requirement to follow Elohim's commands, and all you have to follow is what you think feels good to you. You deny Yeshua's purpose and work to deliver you OUT of sin, without spot and blemish. Paul tells us that the PURPOSE or TEACHING for the Grace of Elohim was to MAKE you deny UNGODLINESS and WORLDLY LUSTS as you live out your LIFE soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world:

    Tit 2:11-15
    (11) For the grace of Elohim that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
    (12) Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
    (13) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great Elohim and our Saviour Messiah Yeshua;
    (14) Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
    (15) These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

    Finally Lucy, you lack in the basic understanding of Elohim's Grace, otherwise you would not be following the doctrines and gospel of these reprobate vipers and deceivers of men. The basic teaching for the Grace of Elohim is that YOU have fulfilled righteousness BY SINNING...by following after your "sensuality," the desires of your flesh. This Grace or Gift of Righeousness is given to ALL sinners, for it was by following after the sinful flesh of man that ALL did place Yeshua up on the cross, thus receiving the free gift of righteousness, Elohim's Grace. It is righteousness for all sinners to sacrifice THEIR sin offering, and this is the Gospel message that the 1st Assembly taught about Elohim's Grace. For those who have FAITH, this doing of the Law (righteousness) is fulfilled by us killing and sacrificing Yeshua (with the help of wicked men). Our sin is turned INTO righteousness according to the Gift of Yeshua being OUR sacrifice. Not everyone fully understood this Grace, and would TURN Elohim's Grace INTO a free gift to follow their sensuality, their fleshly desires, and deny what Yeshua intended for them to do...which was to TURN from SIN. For it was the sin of all that did cause Him to suffer so and die, and that is why a true believer in Elohim's Grace will flee from their sin once they have been taught about the free gift of righteousness we received by being sinners. It's a pretty scary thought for what will happen to one who has had their heart and ear opened up to this Grace and then fall back INTO a life of deliberate sin...a fearful judgment.

    Blessings in The Name, hoping and praying that you receive these words with an open heart and ear, ImAHebrew.
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols
    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    • #17
      no IAH....

      I am WELL AWARE OF THE ot law TO THE JEWS AND THOSE JUDIAZERS WHO DEVALUE the lords GRACE by MIXING THE 2 dispensations TOGETHER - A VERY LOW ACT ACCORDING TO PAUL who warned us all OF THIS MADNESS.

      the Life of the Spirit is for the New creation and those who deny this are...''..............................'' [fill in the dots.]


      Judaizers is predominantly a Christian term, derived from the Greek verb ioudaïzō
      (ἰουδαΐζω "live according to Jewish customs").


      IAH - do you realise the above description is of yourself and spying ?
      you have been indoctrinated by crazy u s a unanointed evil preachers - not in the ways of the New covenant but in the ways of a ''different gospel''.
      THE disguise comes before THE deception
      What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
      THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
      - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
      - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
      This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

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      • #18
        You are very unaware of how the Gospel is IN the OT Law!

        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
        I am WELL AWARE OF THE ot law TO THE JEWS AND THOSE JUDIAZERS WHO DEVALUE the lords GRACE by MIXING THE 2 dispensations TOGETHER - A VERY LOW ACT ACCORDING TO PAUL who warned us all OF THIS MADNESS.

        the Life of the Spirit is for the New creation and those who deny this are...''..............................'' [fill in the dots.]


        Judaizers is predominantly a Christian term, derived from the Greek verb ioudaïzō
        (ἰουδαΐζω "live according to Jewish customs").


        IAH - do you realise the above description is of yourself and spying ?
        you have been indoctrinated by crazy u s a unanointed evil preachers - not in the ways of the New covenant but in the ways of a ''different gospel''.
        Hi Lucy, if you were aware of the Gospel which is ACCORDING to the OT Law, then you would also be aware of how the Grace of Elohim works. But since you do not understand and deny the fulfillment of the Gospel ACCORDING to the OT Law, you will always believe and follow the reprobate vipers and deceivers that infiltrated the 1st Assembly of Believers. And when it comes to being indoctrinated, it is you who have had to wool pulled over their eyes. Learn about how Living Water had to be added to the Ashes of the Red Heifer if you truly want to learn about the True Gospel and Grace. Blessings in the Name, ImAHebrew.
        Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

        Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
        Abstain from meats offered to idols
        (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
        So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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        • #19
          i am well aware of ''deserters'' that Paul warned over

          those who insist we all must keep the Law to the jews only - and add to the Grace by their OT works - Paul calls them ''deserters'' - BTW this is a military term referring to traitors.
          i guess you would be unaware of this term.
          i guess if you actually rightly divided the Word correctly - it would be a ''traitor to Christ''.

          ummmm
          perhaps you need to come out from the law to the jews only - it died on the cross
          why? it failed to justify anyone.
          so a new covenant was announced - and the old wineskin thrown out so to speak - Jesus is not a PATCH WORKER but a BUILDER OF HIS ekklesia -

          ===============


          IAH If you accept the teaching of the Judaizers,” Apostle says, “then you are making a choice to disobey Almighty God.”
          How much plainer could he be?
          again Apostle Paul write...
          The teaching of the Judaizers was not from God.
          - why do you peddle lies by adding febble OT works to Fathers agenda of truth and freedom
          - why do you preach the return to adamic slavery and a pitifull life of death and chaos
          - why do you side with angels of light and not Apostle Peter and Paul;
          - why do you bring in a nest of vipers into your home ?

          the reason you have your OT works is because you dont understand true freedom in Christ.
          Paul had OT works as did Nicodemus - yet when they met Christ - their OT religion flew out the door.

          why not learn from Paul and Nicodemus - after all IAH THEY WERE FAR GREATER TEACHERS OF THE LAW TO THE JEW THAN YOU AND SPYING - yet these 2 great teachers of the Law to the jews only REPENTED ONCE THEY FOUND CHRIST - WHY NOT COPY THEIR STANDARD - become a new creature rather than a patch work quilt full of shame and guilt.

          IAH = SAUL the OT religious guru - GAVE UP THE LAW AND BECAME PAUL the apprehended one.
          Nicodemus - the GREAT RULER OF THE OT LAW OF THE JEW - GAVE UP HIS RELIGON to become born again.

          YOU AND SPYING ARE NOT A PATCH ON THESE 2 MEN AS YOU POST your views.
          if Paul and Nicodemus gave up their views and belief in the OT -WHY SHOULD I/we BELIEVE you.
          sheezz,

          these men TURNED TO CHRIST AND ATE FROM THE TREE OF LIFE.

          but this is not good enough for you and spying hey - no you want people to remain under condemnation and die - death peddlers rather than LIFE GIVERS.


          THIS IS WHAT happens when men desert the bible and heed to false teachers.
          people become a true product of believing lying spirits.

          not one true believer would ever surrender up THEIR NEW LIFE IN THE SPIRIT to go back under the OT laws to the jews only.

          ARE U AND SPYING aware of what you are doing?
          it seems not.

          But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!
          As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:8-9).
          did you see this....................................
          do you understand what your'e doing
          so you realise the grave ramifications of your posts?

          its all very well, sitting down punching out religious petty lies for me to read today in your cosy cottage - but your sowing has a REAPING - CALLED ETERNAL CONDEMNATION.

          what is your view of ''eternally condemned''?

          do you have an image in your minds boys as you peddle a gospel Paul would have none of?

          so what does ''eternally condemned'' mean in english hey?

          can u describe this activity of ''eternally condemned''? what is its description..........

          WARNING - DONT GO DOWN THE ROAD OF THE ETERNALLY CONDEMNED. I feel it would not be that pleasant.


          IAH - why not do a study to find out ''eternally condemned'' - perhaps it will give you such a fright, you will come to your senses for what u post is a gobbligook of weird religious fantasy mixed with pride and does not come from the pages of truth - nor from THE LIFE OF TRUTH. it seems you and spying like to pass yourselves off as OT ancient jews rather than Believers in the NT.
          if you are truly honest - the sabbath you keep is not the sabbath an ancient jew would keep - your modern day sabbath keeping ritual of works - would have u stoned to death.
          so much for your piety.

          atleast IAH your'e exposed as a fraud for not even doing as those ancients did on their Sabbath - crazy.....
          you cannot even get that right.
          just for the record - did you go and kill 2 lambs today?

          ummm
          -lets see if you got it right IAH or do you need stoning...................

          Every Sabbath day make two lambs offering and other offerings: Num 28:10 - Num 28:10 (NIV)
          “‘On the Sabbath day, make an offering of two lambs a year old without defect, together with its drink offering and a grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil.
          his is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, in addition to the regular burnt offering and its drink offering''.
          did you break this law to the ancient Jews today IAH - wow - if your preaching the truth - you have to display the truth===

          so did you do this sabbath law today - if not IT means YOU BROKE THE SABBATH LAW and THE PUNISHMENT IS STONING.

          SEE how crazy you are.....
          you dont even know the true conditions of true OT sabbath keeping.


          If they are going to keep the Sabbath, then they are required to keep ALL the Old covenant law.
          Sabbatarians want to enforce the Sabbath law but pick and choose how to keep the Sabbath
          THE disguise comes before THE deception
          What would happen if we hired Agatha Christie character to investigate the CRIMES of the O.T Yahweh?
          THE TRUTH comes to His people from Jesus - it is revealed knowledge
          - Just as His Father revealed THE TRUTH TO HIM daily in prayer
          - FAITH COMES from hearing not reading.[the bible is corrupted]
          This revealed daily Knowledge 2 the Ekklesia changes us into HIS WORKMANSHIP here - there is NO other way~~

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