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    Grace of Father, makes a believer His Champion.
    Grace is a marvellous divine covering for our disappointments.
    Grace is such a divine gift, no one should be without it.
    Grace allows a believer to push foreward to the high calling and the prize and the ability to win the race.
    Grace will deliver a believer into the revelation of His mighty power working in us!
    By this wonderfull gift you can know that you are sealed with the seal of God, that you are a son indeed!

    But what would happen to a person who VOIDED such a gift by their ignorance or their willfull refusal?
    they could not be a divine champion nor return to the redemption of ''man-gods'' and remain as mere men [Ps 82]

    -------------------from Larry

    The Bright and Morning Star is the appearance of My Sons as they come forth with My Glory shining out of them. I am completing My work in you My Sons. I began changing you and shall I not complete My work? You are all identical, for My new Priesthood is one. My immortality is your common silver cord and it shall not be broken. The golden bowl will not break nor the wheel at the cistern. You will never return to dust and the blood will keep flowing in you for you shall never die.

    If there had been some other way to perfect you without trying you, then I would have done it, but gold to be perfect must be tried in the fire. You have been taken to extremities in life’s experiences in order that I might change you. You have tasted conscious death but yet My strength has kept you. You have tasted the emptiness of human relationships and much of the trust you once had in people has now gone. The hurts have been the pangs of your conscious death but this is all part of what your Loving Father has brought you through.

    Trust Me and do not look back and grieve the death of your former things for they were vexation and death lurked in them to keep you from your calling. But I have kept you from the devourer and protected you all your life when at times you did not even know it.

    Some things yet remain for Me to complete in you as I scrape the dross from the surface of your lives. You know this because you talk with Me about these things. Do not worry about your future circumstances for you do not fully see things that will be. You will not live by the earthly order but by a new and living way which I shall open unto you. I have an order which you shall be birthed into which has been reserved for My Sons alone.

    There is a darkening shadow spreading over the earth as a storm gathering. This is the evil of islam under the control of demonic powers to bring fear on the hearts of mankind. At the point where I can no longer allow their acts and deeds, I will move swiftly and with great judgement, and you My Sons will wield the rod of my righteous judgement in the earth.

    I am aware that you My Faithful Ones have never forsaken your birthright. Keep your hearts humble before me and I will exalt you in due time. My covenant with your father David is my promise for you to keep before your eyes for you are his seed. Your hearts assure you that I have called you into My presence and that you shall be born outside corruption. Hold on to this”.


    NOW THAT IS HIS GRACE AT WORK - thank you Abba.

  • #2
    a believer needs His grace for their re-gene-ration............ as

    no one can be re-gene-rated without His grace.
    as example
    ''Noah name means -[rest] found g.r.a.c.e. in the eyes of the Lord''

    "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord." - Gen 6:8

    NOTICE THE NUMBERs of the verse....
    #68 in bible numbers is to be wise, to gain wisdom; to gain by wisdom; to teach, make wise; to be a well trained (magician); wise, intelligent, understanding, discreet, cunning.

    Noah and his life is a type of regeneration of a Believer.
    ''the ark'' was Noah's escape route and the ''ark'' is a type of the Mind of Christ.

    Receiving His grace allows a Believer to PUT ON THE MIND OF CHRIST.
    WITHOUT GRACE none get to receive the fullness of the mind of Christ why?= They remain in the mind of mere man and die.[psalm 82 v 6]

    therefore it is always best to study this question on- ''How would my BELIEF - VOID- [cancel out]- THE THRONE OF GRACE from actively working in my life''?

    ASK THIS please so no one remains ignorant on ''how grace is voided in our lives''.
    what church teaching and church misconceptions stop Grace from working in their pews?

    there has to be a strong delusion given to church pews- for if grace worked in all church people, we would find many Noah's or many regenerated people walking in the fullness of Christ +having put on the mind of Christ.

    therefore church must VOID THE GRACE of God by setting it aside. [it is a very simple explanation]

    Noah is a PRIME EXAMPLE OF a MERE MAN BEING RE-GENE-RATED BY GRACE AND FAVOUR flowing out from the Throne [authority] of Grace.

    also notice - by having this grace and favour NOAH ESCAPED - [ so-please step outside all church religious boxes - they are coffins ] - BECAUSE if ye dont have grace you have the GRAVE.

    SO Grace WILL DELIVER A BELIEVER FROM THE GRAVE as it did for Noah and his family.

    Grace is "God's unmerited favor''- it shows the BIGNESS of our Father and His ENLARGED HEART over His mere man as His children - *see the Prodigal Son's story.
    The Father's heart was so enlarged that He put aside His disappointment in His son's behaviour and RAN TO HIM AND THREW HIS ARMS AROUND HIM AND REJOICED.
    did U see THE FATHER ran to the son.

    Jesus told this parable why? what is the point?

    IT WAS A TOTAL OPPOSITE RE-ACTION to the law of Moses AND PHARISEE teaching thats why.

    infact the pharisees would have been horrified and reject such a story.
    infact it was so opposite to their teaching they would gnash their teeth over it.
    We are not talking of being mildly angry but murderously angry over our Messiah Parable.

    why? of this fact...............
    so let us see what made these religious men so furiously upset.....

    Deuteronomy 21:18-21

    “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear''

    Jesus is NOT TEACHING THE LAW OF MOSES - BUT OF GRACE and redemption of Believers.
    Eph. 2:4-9.

    "But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
    * LOVED US
    * QUICKENED US TOGETHER WITH CHRIST [quickened with the divine anointing]

    "And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?" (Luke 4:22).

    THE LAW OF MOSES TO THE JEWS SAID... a rebellious son had to be out to death - But - Jesus told of His new way - where THE FATHER NOW RAN TO THE rebel son SKIRTS LIFTED UP, FEET SHOWING AND FLUNG HIS ARMS AROUND THE NECK OF THE rebel and called for the fatted calf, the robe and the ring.

    GRACE - authority from the Throne NOW HAS FAVOUR for rebels to be redeemed from the curse of the law.
    the children of God [His OFFSPRING debased into mere men ] now have an oportunity to allow GRACE TO become alive in their lives rather than the GRAVE.

    Jesus said Obey My commands.
    here they are listed................


    • #3
      Eph. 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is

      a GIFT.
      HIS GRACE IS A GIFT [ it is not automatically received but A DIVINE PRESENT]
      when He gives His Grace the grave is REMOVED from that believer.

      because when the prodigal son [the sinning disobedient son - the rebel] came home.
      = THE FATHER SAW him afar and RAN TO MEET him, LIFTING HIS SHIRTS, and then FLUNG HIMSELF UPON THE NECK of his rebel son calling for THE ROBE, THE RING, THE BANQUET OF THE FATTED CALF. [the mere man being redeemed Ps 82 v6]

      THE 3 ITEMS in the GIFT OF GRACE IS.....

      THE ROBE
      THE RING

      IF ye have no received this divine gift, how can ye have the 3 items?
      it is not possible for true salvation is freedom from the killing effects of adam.

      the church pews dont have the 3 items either - wow - for Messiah warns as He knocks upon their doors - ''ye are blind, naked wretched and miserable'' [rev 3] - THEREFORE HIS GRACE IS NOT PRESENT.
      this Laodicea church age has made wrong decissions and fostered wrong bible and salvation conceptions that have voided His grace and so they die to the grave.
      sin kills.
      they are warned [rev 3] to get the white robe the eye salve to see and the gold.
      [the faith to become His righteousness]
      ''for whatsoever is without faith is sin'''.

      Noah went against the tide of the people for HIS DAY AND HOUR - Noah was a minority but became a a majority BY GRACE that gift that saved him from the grave of the wicked.

      i want all to see that by the law of moses to the jews only- THE REBEL SON was to be stoned to death - the sinner in the grave. REBEL WHO DID NOT OBEY.

      But MESSIAH TOLD US OF A NEW AND LIVING WAY - HE OPENED UP TO SINNERS - He allowed Grace and Favour to flow from Himself into the world of rebel captives to the law of death.

      MESSIAH THREW AWAY THE LAW of death AND Moses RULE BOOK,-[ the 2 tablets Moses wrote on- that held men as captives] and opened the new rules - to become His righteousness by Faith and receive His gift of His grace and authority from the Throne of grace so that, His righteousness [ dwelling in a believer,] would allow them to live by His faith and by His faith they were now ''THE JUST AND THE FAVOURED'' and this made them escape the law of moses and the grave - how?
      because of His divine gift of grace and how it works.

      BELIEVERS WERE NO LONGER sinners and the condemned by the law - but now were ''those who are in christ [the power house divine anointing] Jesus.


      • #4
        His gift of Grace ALLOWS a Believer's FULL RESTORATION.....

        from the KISS, KISSING REPEATED KISSES the prodigal received from THE FATHER as He flung Himself upon the Neck of the rebel sinner that by the law of Moses to the jews only should have been stoned to death.

        this whole divine revelation parable by the Saviour would have stirred up the Pharisee teachers like u would not believe.
        it was THE KISSES.
        the love kisses from the Father of love OR the conceiving and giving birth to agape Love.
        This kissing meant- conceiving, birthing and restoration of sonship or divine privileges restored and the EXCEEDING JOY of the real Father - as his mere man[of Ps 82 v 6] HAD RETURNED back to the real father.

        here are the prophetic words.
        "The Lord thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; He will save, He will rejoice over thee with joy; He will rest in His love, He will joy over thee with singing."
        when u allow the church system to continually teach you its counterfeit programmes ye miss out on His grace and return to dust and the grave - thinking you are saved but church salvation and NT salvation are vastly different things.

        freedom is not being free when death takes u to the grave.
        the real of truth of the matter is freedom and salvation ARE GIVEN to bypass the grave by His grace.
        what is the use of Grace unless IT OBTAINS OUR FREEDOM FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH AND ABOLISHED DEATH IN US VIA THE GOSPEL.[death was abolished By the *Gospel* not by the law of Moses to the jew]
        the word grace is used
        129 times in the New Testament
        --------------------------#129 bible meaning......
        129 = 3x43
        --- "God is Gracious".
        --- "Yah is Gracious".
        --- "God is Gracious".
        --- "He (God) Delivers".
        --- "Ornament of Yah".
        --- "God's Valley" or "God's Heritage".
        --- to set or fix in; to plant; to establish or settle; to implant; to pitch (a tent); to set up (an image).
        --- a planting; a plant; a plantation.
        --- till now, yet.
        --- "Pleasure".
        --- to bind together, to hold.
        again if we look at the Father's re-action we will see this result
        OVERFLOWING COMFORT as the Father was actively expressing the son's future. amen

        “He hath made us accepted in the beloved [Christ]” (Ephesians 1:6).
        The Greek word for “accepted” means highly favored.


        • #5
          lets fire this up.........................

          did you note that when Jesus gave this parable HE GAVE IT OUT FROM HIS MINISTRY - not from the law of Moses to the jews. THIS WAS MESSIAH'S MINISTRY saying this from His Father's lips

          The father said, "For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and now found''.
          But the father said to his servants, “Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet; and bring the fatted calf and kill it, and let us eat and make merry; for this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. “ And they began to make merry.
          the captives to the law of sin and death - were regarded as dead - Messiah said on them to a man ''let the dead bury the dead''.
          people who accept the law or practice any part of the law to the jew - have the icey stare of stoning others to death - it cannot be helped because it was the spirit over that age.

          Messiah came to release the victims called captives.....hence His advent to turn stoning into grace and life by attaining agape love. amen.
          ofcourse.... as a witness.....
          this is shown from His ALTERNATIVE MINISTRY AND PREACHING - to save the sinners and the lost by His grace and faith.
          therefore if Messiah had FAITH IN HIS MINISTRY - why would people lack- his promises?
          well they lack His gift of Grace because perhaps unwillingly they have been placed outside of His divine gifts by listening to mere man playing church as ''people's gods''.


          Father said that to howard pittman MANY YEARS AGO....
          ''STOP PLAYING CHURCH''.


          • #6
            the gift of Grace -its work - it results;


            “When you enter the Sonship realm it is as if you enter the refining fire where all the dross of your natural soul is burnt and consumed in the fire of His perfecting. It is where all perceived fears and weaknesses are cut off. It is where all unknown weaknesses are brought out in order that you might recognise them and seek His overcoming deliverance and strength.

            It is where His Glory burns out of you all the lying false pronouncements of man over you and He speaks into your very soul that you are a Son of the Most High God, and a priest of the highest order of Melchizedek, and every hurt every lie every falsehood of man is lifted from your soul that has kept you bowed down under the spirit of anguish and defeat, and He lifts you to partake of the renewing power of His Spirit to your mind and soul and now you have an awareness that causes you to cry “Abba Father”.

            All of a sudden your earthly shackles of false security are riven. The fetters of death are loosed from your mind and the chains of the Adamic nature are loosed from your mind. The prison doors of man’s dominion are broken open and the Light of His Glory lifts you into the Glory of His presence.

            You don’t want to leave it. You can’t leave it. It is a consuming Light.

            You will willingly surrender all things for His perfection. You will awaken to new values, a new order. You will be shown the darkness of the world and the bondage of religion in order that you might partake the joy of their deliverance.

            You see only Jesus. You see Him as God. He is your teacher; He is your life, your mercy. He is your perfection”.

            ALL GLORY TO JESUS

            LARRY WILSON

            January 2004

            [email protected]

            did you see that word....

            ''the bondage of religion is broken''
            show me 1 person religion has made in the image of Messiah - in deed words and nature - show me a man the church has made in the likeness of His glory?
            dont show me your belief, unless it reproduces THE FATHER'S IMAGE.


            • #7
              YOU CAN SEE THE ''GREAT DIVIDE'' happening here in the

              the Ministry of the SAVIOUR and the lost son.
              THE SPLIT is happening right before our eyes as the Saviour demonstrate this SAVING truth and new reality over a former reality of unforgiveness and a stoning to death under the law of the jews.
              it was rigid - stoning for rebel sons.

              there are pictures of people being stoned to death on the net - there is a warning attached - ''dont look if you are faint hearted for it is too cruel and the images will last for days in your mind''.

              Out of consideration for the tender hearted i did not post the sites.

              Messiah came to STOP THE CRUELITY AND THE UNFORGIVENESS based upon the law of the jew - the law of sin and death.
              His life ministry crossed the divide - few people will understand this great thing, for few people understand grace and how it works to release believers from the grave of death.
              The Father, was the author of this CHANGE - FOR MESSIAH ONLY EVER DID what He was told or saw the Father doing.
              so The Father ''flung His arms around the neck'' of the sinner son, rather than cast the 1st stone as per the OT law to the jew only.

              Messiah picked up this changed attitude and the pharisee hissed at HIM....
              why? it was against the law they knew and had been written.
              that era was passing.
              why was it passing.

              MESSIAH IS LIFE
              to be REAL LIFE - you have to have a changed belief.
              how did this occur?
              because the Priesthood was changing - it was the appointed time to change from a dying priesthood into the UNDYING PRIESTHOOD.

              you cannot serve a dying priesthood when THE NEW PRIESTHOOD has arisen.
              the undying takes 1st place over the dying one.

              grace and faith replaced the law to the jew - the undying replaced the dying and this is illustrated in the drama of the prodigal son.
              the dying sinner was forgiven. THAT IS THE LOVE MINISTRY OF THE SAVIOUR.
              according to the jewish belief - that Father had SHAMED HIMSELF by running into the arms of the sinner son.
              this was considered a horrific disgrace and went against all customs they had been taught.

              therefore When The Father, reversed His former law, thru His son's Ministry few could handle the change - it was the case of the rent veil.
              the Saviour practiced out the ministry of the GOODNEWS - the salvation of men.

              only the Saviour has had this ministry AND VERY few seem to have grasped the real purposes of the GOODNEWS.
              The goodnews received shall bring a different way of life - a life that comes a heavenly reality not by words but by His power of Life.


              • #8
                ring, the robe, the shoes, the fatted calf the kiss...............................

                was now the Ministry of the Saviour. THE MINISTRY OF TRUE GRACE.

                It was the opening into the reality of the Saviour's kingdom for all men who will believe.
                It was a far different Ministry than the jewish people were used too,
                a far different Ministry that people were amazed over and a far different ministry like none had ever seen before and nothing like the ministry of the law of Moses to the jew only.

                Infact it was such an amazing and astonishing ministry, the Pharisee plotted to kill HIM 11 times.
                not 1 man had ever had such a compassion for others as Our Master Emmanuel when He walked this earth. infact Messiah was showing up, all the imperfections of a works based belief system.

                i find an interesting truth here - The Father was looking out for His son from afar, gazing into the distance - the Father was on the look out for His son's return, - the RETURN OF THE REPENTENT- HOW-? from BEING found in Psalm 82 v 6 as a mere man - yet- changed - into a true son of God - the undying sons in the order of Melchidezek - the Father was not looking for everyone but only the son- is this why Messiah talked in Parables?
                yes.[ it will be only the sons who understand the Father.]

                The Father was already prepared for the return by calling for the items....
                Father had prepared Messiah for a different type of Ministry that is why the Pharisee hated HIM.

                Jesus heard what the Father said and spoke it out to all - but when the ruling religious heard this New type of Ministry - they told the crowds He was from the devil. He called Himself ''the Son of God''.

                Messiah was now introducing a Father who was going to Bless mankind by His gift of grace, to a new creation called ''his sons'' or ''a peculiar people'' who will rule and reign with HIM as ''heirs of Salvation''
                Father was showing forth HIS HEIRS in the parable of the prodigal son.

                the signet ring -
                the robe
                the shoes
                the fatted calf and the banquet - where not given to the sinning jews - No they were stoned to death for their sins.

                the signet ring
                the robe
                the shoes
                the fatted calf and the banguet - are only given to HEIRS OF SALVATION - by His grace and mercy.
                These sons receive this Gift with thanksgiving.

                those who dont receive grace with thanks giving are not His'' Heirs of Salvation nor His Peculiar people''.

                They have remained as a Pharisee on a works based belief of ''stone the sinner''.
                The saviour came to defeat the works of the devil
                The saviour came to abolish death
                The saviour came to BUILD HIS CHURCH and this church is only built on the grace and mercy of the Lord Holy Spirit.
                Messiah does not have a ''works'' based church BUT AN 'ekklesia' of THE CALLED OUT ones.

                this term 'ekklesia' is a POLITICAL one and not a religious one. [most religious pew people dont know this]
                yes this term 'ekklesia' actually means a legislative assembly in greek.

                the rulers and reigners - are those sons adopted as heirs to Salvation [ freedom from all the effects of the cursed nature] are a legislative assembly to govern His Kingdom in power and might.

                this word is used 115 times in the NT - see the rent veil - from ''religion to legislative assembly'' UNDER THE KING.
                ON THE THRONE OF GRACE sits the KING.

                that is why the prodigal son[ in the parable] was given gifts as the Father's grace washed over his sin in forgiving the repentant.
                The kingdom is ruled from the THRONE OF GRACE - therefore to deny grace and void grace and offering up your religious works programme like the jews- ye are not his Kingdom sons.


                • #9
                  AN 'ekklesia' of THE CALLED OUT ones..... forming a new creation government....

                  and Saviour's EKKLESIA - is a government based upon JUSTICE AND MERCY.
                  [the stoning offenses in the law to the jew only are now a thing of the Past as Messiah rent the veil, infront of the religious Pharisee and revealed the very feelings and heart desires from His Father - gasp, shock and horror - was the outcome from these religious men as they sort to kill Him.]
                  the Throne of Grace is dealing with justice and Mercy.

                  Hebrews 4:16
                  Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
                  why can a believer now do this?
                  because of the High Priest - is a High Priest of Grace and favour towards His believers...
                  Hebrews 10:19–22
                  ''Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, , and having a High Priest over the house of God so Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. ''
                  * boldness now to ENTER IN to the HOLIEST
                  * by the BLOOD of the Saviour'
                  * by a NEW AND LIVING WAY
                  * thru THE VEIL
                  * having a TRUE HEART
                  * BY THE FULL ASSURANCE OF FAITH
                  * no more evil conscious
                  * our Body washed with PURE WATER.

                  THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB achieved this by renting the veil that held the world captives to all the cursed traits of vanity and the adamic nature ruled over by the devil.

                  Messiah's EKKLESIA - is not made with hands. NO mere religious men - do not make such a ekklesia.
                  Hebrews 4:15
                  For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
                  the High Priest no longer dies.
                  here is the dividing line from the rest of the dying priesthood.
                  the dying priesthood, lived under the law of sin and death - they all died.

                  but the New High Priest - THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD did not sin, He qualified to be the high Priest of the UNDYING PRIESTHOOD known as Melchidezek Order.
                  it was a total change of Priesthood - that accomplished the way into the truth of Life.

                  you see the Law to the Jew could not accomplish an undying priesthood - THEREFORE it was overtaken by the ''better way'' by installing a New form of Priesthood - namely AN UNDYING ONE or a spiritual transformation and into re-gene-ration.
                  If ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.'-Gal. 5:18
                  This is the underlying theme of the parable of the prodigal son.

                  the sinner son, repented and the father gave him Gifts that were symbolic of a changed life, with a new way of thinking and a greater destiny before him.

                  a new administration was coming into view - as shown by the theme on the prodigal son...
                  this new administraion was a LEGAL KINGDOM, UNDER THE KING of Kings.
                  Luke 22:29
                  "And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;"
                  This Kingdom came out from the Throne of Grace. The oldness of the letter had ended and now captives can be freed.
                  death was abolished by the Gospel - the goodnews.
                  yes sir...
                  the Prodigal son theme was a type of a divine ''smart bullet'' that when right thru the heart of the Pharisee.
                  the crack had now appeared as the Messiah was ripping down the wall of the great divide to allow FAITH AND GRACE a holy entrance.


                  • #10
                    a ''smart bullet'' does not simply go in a straight line to hit its victim...

                    but turns to follow its object to kill it - it does this by a laser [on the end] so no one can escape this smart bullet and its blast of death.

                    ofcourse it is a modern day description of what happened to the Pharisee and the law of sin and death - the divine ''smart bullet'' with the laser light end, delivered by the Son of God Himself- stopped the stoning of victims in OT judgment.
                    This OT horror, from the cruelity of vanity ended with the parable of the Prodigal son and ofcourse the rent veil of the cross - the day death completely died and the Goodnews offically released to the whole world.
                    oh yes the rent veil sure did its stuff.
                    Gospel of Nicodemus...
                    CHAP. XV.
                    1 Quarrel between Satan and the prince of hell concerning the expected arrival of Christ in hell

                    WHILE all the saints were rejoicing, behold Satan, the prince and captain of death, said to the prince of hell,

                    2 Prepare to receive Jesus of Nazareth himself, who boasted that he was the Son of God, and yet was a man afraid of death, and said, 2 My soul is sorrowful even to death.

                    3 Besides he did many injuries to me and to many others; for those whom I made blind and lame and those also whom I tormented with several devils, he cured by his word; yea, and those whom I brought dead to thee, he by force takes away from thee.

                    4 To this the prince of hell replied to Satan, Who is that so-powerful prince, and yet a man who is afraid of death?

                    5 For all the potentates of the earth are subject to my power, whom thou broughtest to subjection by thy power.

                    6 But if be be so powerful in his human nature, I affirm to thee for truth, that he is almighty in his divine nature, and no man can resist his power.

                    7 When therefore he said be was afraid of death, he designed to ensnare thee, and unhappy it will be to thee for everlasting ages.

                    8 Then Satan replying, said to the prince of hell, Why didst thou express a doubt, and wast afraid to receive that Jesus of Nazareth, both thy adversary and mine?

                    9 As for me, I tempted him and stirred up my old people the Jews with zeal and anger against him?

                    10 I sharpened the spear for his suffering; I mixed the gall and vinegar, and commanded that he should drink it; I prepared the cross to crucify him, and the nails to pierce through Ibis hands and feet; and now his death is near at hand, I will bring him hither, subject both to thee and me.

                    11 Then the prince of hell answering, said, Thou saidst to me just now, that he took away the dead from me by force.

                    12 They who have been kept here till they should live again upon earth, were taken away hence, not by their own power, but by prayers made to God, and their almighty God took them from me.

                    13 Who then is that Jesus of Nazareth that by his word hath taken away the dead from me without prayer to God?

                    14 Perhaps it is the same who

                    took away from me Lazarus, after he had been four days dead, and did both stink and was rotten, and of whom I had possession as a dead person, yet he brought him to life again by his power.

                    15 Satan answering, replied to the prince of hell, It is the very same person, Jesus of Nazareth.

                    16 Which when the prince of hell heard, he said to him, I adjure thee by the powers which belong to thee and me, that thou bring him not to me.

                    17 For when I heard of the power of his word, I trembled for fear, and all my impious company were at the same time disturbed;

                    18 And we were not able to detain Lazarus, 1 but he gave himself a shake, and with all the signs of malice, he immediately went away from us; and the very earth, in which the dead body of Lazarus was lodged, presently turned him out alive.

                    19 And I know now that he is Almighty God who could perform such things, who is mighty in his dominion, and mighty in his human nature, who is the Saviour of mankind.

                    20 Bring not therefore this person hither, for he will set at liberty all those whom I hold in prison under unbelief, and bound with the fetters of their sins, and will conduct them to everlasting life''.
                    CHAP. XVI.
                    1 Christ's arrival at hell-gates; the confusion thereupon. 10 He descends into hell.

                    AND while Satan and the prince of hell were discoursing thus to each other, on a sudden there was a voice as of thunder and the rushing of winds, saying, 2 Lift up your gates, O ye princes; and be ye lift up, O everlasting gates, and the King of Glory shall come in.

                    2 When the prince of hell heard this, he said to Satan, Depart from me, and begone out of my habitations; if thou art a powerful warrior, fight with the King of Glory. But what hast thou to do with him?

                    3 And he cast him forth from his habitations.

                    4 And the prince said to his impious officers, Shut the brass gates of cruelty, and make them fast with iron bars, and fight courageously, lest we be taken captives.

                    5 But when all the company of the saints heard this they spake with a loud voice of anger to the prince of hell:

                    6 Open thy gates that the King of Glory may come in.

                    7 And the divine prophet David, cried out saying, 3 Did not I when on earth truly prophesy and say, O that men would praise the Lord for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men.

                    8 For he hath broken the gates of brass, and cut the bars of iron in sunder. He hath taken them because of their iniquity, and because of their unrighteousness they are afflicted.

                    9 After this another prophet, 4 namely, holy Isaiah, spake in like manner to all the saints, did not

                    I rightly prophesy to you when I was alive on earth?

                    10 The dead men shall live, and they shall rise again who are in their graves, and they shall rejoice who are in earth; for the dew which is from the Lord shall bring deliverance to them.

                    p. 84

                    11 And I said in another place, O death, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?

                    12 When all the saints heard these things spoken by Isaiah, they said to the prince of hell, 1 Open now thy gates, and take away thine iron bars; for thou wilt now be bound, and have no power.

                    13 Then there was a great voice, as of the sound of thunder saying, Lift up your gates, O princes; and be ye lifted up, ye gates of hell, and the King of Glory will enter in.

                    14 The prince of hell perceiving the same voice repeated, cried out as though he had been ignorant, Who is that King of Glory?

                    15 David replied to the prince of hell, and said, I understand the words of that voice, because I spake them by his spirit. And now, as I have above said, I say unto thee, the Lord strong and powerful, the Lord mighty in battle: he is the King of Glory, and he is the Lord in heaven and in earth;

                    16 He hath looked down to hear the groans of the prisoners, and to set loose those that are appointed to death. 2

                    17 And now, thou filthy and stinking prince of hell, open thy gates, that the King of Glory may enter in; for he is the Lord of heaven and earth.

                    18 While David was saying this, the mighty Lord appeared in the form of a man, and enlightened those places which had ever before been in darkness,

                    19 And broke asunder the fetters which before could not be broken; and with his invincible power visited those who sate in the deep darkness by iniquity, and the shadow of death by sin. 3

                    CHAP. XVII.
                    1 Death and the devils in great horror at Christ's coming. 1 He tramples on death, seizes the prince of hell, and takes Adam with him to heaven.


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                      the veil rent behind the scenes.... by Nicodemus...

                      CHAP. XVII.
                      1 Death and the devils in great horror at Christ's coming. 1 He tramples on death, seizes the prince of hell, and takes Adam with him to heaven.
                      something to notice ''death'' is referred to as female and ''hell'' referred to as male. YET death is called a prince and father..IMPIOUS Death and her cruel officers hearing these things, were seized with fear in their several kingdoms, when they saw the clearness of the light

                      IMPIOUS Death and her cruel officers hearing these things, were seized with fear in their several kingdoms, when they saw the clearness of the light,

                      2 And Christ himself on a sudden appearing in their habitations; they cried out therefore, and said, We are bound by thee; thou seemest to intend our confusion before the Lord.

                      3 Who art thou, who hast no sign of corruption, but that bright appearance which is a full proof of thy greatness, of which yet thou seemest to take no notice?

                      4 Who art thou, so powerful and so weak, so great and so little, a mean and yet a soldier of the first rank, who can command in the form of a servant as a common soldier?

                      5 The King of Glory, dead and alive, though once slain upon the cross?

                      6 Who layest dead in the grave, and art come down alive to us, and in thy death all the creatures trembled, and all the stars were moved, and now hast thou thy liberty among the dead, and givest disturbance to our legions?

                      7 Who art thou, who dost release the captives that were held in chains by original sin, and bringest them into their former liberty

                      8 Who art thou, who dost

                      spread so glorious and divine a light over those who were made blind by the darkness of sin?

                      9 In like manner all the legions of devils were seized with the like horror, and with the most submissive fear cried out, and said,

                      10 Whence comes it, O thou Jesus Christ, that thou art a man so powerful and glorious in majesty, so bright as to have no spot, and so pure as to have no crime? For that lower world of earth, which was ever till now subject to us, and from whence we received tribute, never sent us such a dead man before, never sent such presents as these to the princes of hell.

                      11 Who therefore art thou, who with such courage enterest among our abodes, and art not only not afraid to threaten us with the greatest punishments, but also endeavourest to rescue all others from the chains in which we hold them?

                      12 Perhaps thou art that Jesus, of whom Satan just now spoke to our prince, that by the death of the cross thou wert about to receive the power of death.

                      13 Then the King of Glory trampling upon death, seized the prince of hell, deprived him of all his power, and took our earthly father Adam with him to his glory
                      the indepth insights from perhaps the 1st prodigal son [the ruler of the jews yet a sinner who needed to be a born again - obviously the law could not ''born again'' people ] Nicodemus was a head man - yet - he became a Believer not in the law, he already was expert at this - but to the Gospel.
                      Nicodemus related from the unseen world - namely- how death and hell and satan became defeated as the Goodnews came to pass, that death is abolished by the Gospel [not the law to the jew -the law did not put a dint into death/satan/ hell] but the Gospel came as a bright light to the world.
                      so what makes this 'insider' gospel interesting is ONLY WHEN THE SAVIOUR DIED on the cross was THE DEVIL DEFEATED - nothing less or nothing else could ever have defeated sin and death.
                      IT WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN by the religious 'works' of men - only the innocent shed blood was the catalyst that broke the devil's hold. It was always the Plan.

                      CHAP. XVIII.
                      1 Beelzebub, prince of hell, vehemently upbraids Satan for persecuting Christ and bringing him to hell. 4. Christ gives Beelzebub dominion over Satan for ever, as a recompense for taking away Adam and his sons.

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                        we see Nicodemus gospel message and how death and hell were defeated and their

                        re-actions to their defeat and why they were defeated.
                        THEY SHED INNOCENT BLOOD - THE FATHER'S BLOOD in Messiah. The Father's son.
                        the outcome was the throne of Grace and the ''works'' of faith come to prosper Believers walking in the same type of faith as Abraham - a friend of God.
                        I love this saying '' a friend of God''.
                        [a true spiritual friend in a clay vessel.]

                        Ofcourse Abraham's faith was acredited to him as righteousness [the robe of righteousness].
                        The prodigal son received a Robe from the Father to cover his swine defiled clothes - the robe of righteousness. Obviously the returning son was repentant so received the Robe.

                        if we seek to find the truth of any matter - it is the duty of kings to do this....
                        we will find in the Epistle of Barabas some rather interesting information........
                        Barnabas 15:8
                        Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot
                        away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present
                        Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have
                        made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make
                        the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another

                        Barnabas 15:9
                        Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which
                        also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended
                        into the heavens.
                        if we receive revelation on the ''faith of Abraham'' who was considered 5 times [# of grace] as God's friend - we will find each believer develops the same type of Faith and this faith allows them to ''enter into God's rest''.
                        actually BY BELIEVING GOD as per....
                        Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

                        Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

                        Mat 11:30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.

                        you see unbelief is a human inheritance from Adam and Eve and the yoke of unbelief lay upon them and their children.

                        how do ye find ''rest unto your souls''?
                        by learning to have the mind of Christ and not wavering between 2 opinions - namely- the flesh and the spirit.
                        the flesh ''works'' decission is a flawed decission.
                        the spiritual decissions ''faith'' are Kingdom realities.

                        Abraham faced a barren wife and no children - But God told him to expect a son of promise - Abraham believed God and wavered not for 25yrs - for he was the ''father of Faith'' - this is the same expectation of a Believer as they are Messiah ekklesia [not made with hands.]

                        now - if this ekklesia is not made by human hands it is a divine legal adminstration/government and this assembly are called HEIRS OF SALVATION, and these people are to have installed into their spirit the same UNWAVERING FAITH as Abraham - for it is our example of faithfull loyal steadfastness against the odds also of ''dying to self''.

                        There are the Heb. 11 Hall of faith and this display from believers is needed to be 'adopted into sonship'' and needed to be righteous and needed to be about the Father's business without continual correction. Notice Messiah did not need correction - therefore He said what He did in Math11.
                        Math 11 is a KEY revelation to understanding HOW TO ENTER INTO HIS REST....................
                        here is what Barnabas said.
                        Barnabas 16:8
                        Give heed then that
                        the temple of the Lord may be built gloriously.

                        Barnabas 16:9
                        Understand ye.
                        By receiving the remission of our sins and
                        hoping on the Name we became new, created afresh from the beginning.
                        Wherefore God dwelleth truly in our habitation within us.
                        the word of his faith, the calling of his promise, the wisdom of the
                        ordinances, the commandments of the teaching, He Himself prophesying
                        in us, He Himself dwelling in us, opening for us who had been in
                        bondage unto death the door of the temple, which is the mouth, and
                        giving us repentance leadeth us to the incorruptible temple.

                        Barnabas 16:10
                        For he that desireth to be saved looketh not to the man, but to Him
                        that dwelleth and speaketh in him, being amazed at this that he has
                        never at any time heard these words from the mouth of the speaker,
                        nor himself ever desired to hear them. This is the spiritual temple
                        built up to the Lord.

                        1. "Have faith in God" Mark 11:22
                        2. "Be not faithless" John 20:27
                        3. "Neither be ye of doubtful mind" Luke 12:29
                        4. "Take no thought for your life" Matt. 6:25-34
                        5. "Let not your heart be troubled" John 14:1,27
                        6. "Be of good cheer" Matt. 14:27
                        7. "Be not afraid" Mark 5:36: Luke 12:4-7

                        the commandments of Messiah are listed here.


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                          ofcourse Abraham, was 1 of the ancient overcomers....

                          perhaps in the first crop of such faithfull people, and ofcourse Messiah gets Apostle John to write about the Overcomers in Rev 2/3 and their rewards so Messiah's last message is to HIS OVERCOMERS.
                          the church does not preach on overcoming because In the Ekklesia of the Messiah - ALL BELIEVERS are actually overcomers or overcomers -in-training.
                          They are walking in the kingdom reality like their father Abraham -'' not by sight but by faith '' and this walk is the walk of the righteous and this righteousness gives the overcomer the RIGHT STANDING WITH GOD AS HIS FRIEND.
                          infact Jacob, was also an ancient overcomer too and as he ''wrestled with God '' his name was changed [as was Abram] to Israel - now the true meaning of Israel -is ''God rules/ God is Our Sovereign'' - so in an overcomer ALL THERE IS - IS ABBA THEIR TRUE FATHER ruling in their lives.
                          This is why, THE OVERCOMER becomes a ruler and reigner in the legal assembly of the Government of Kingdom reality.
                          another interesting fact is'' Israel'' - in its original meaning is ''NEW REVELATION'' - why? because Jacob re eived this NEW REVELATION as he overcome his flesh when wrestling. It also means a new way of thinking and a new way of living = it is all encompassing in this name I-S-R-A-E-L
                          [ofcourse man has altered to mean ''genetic'']

                          if ye are a part of the true ISRAEL - the believer continually receives NEW revelation, as they OVERCOME their flesh as they wrestle with God - this is called line upon line precept upon precept, here a little there a little.
                          ofcourse this why these ekklesia overcomers in Christ fully understand how to enter into His rest of math 11.
                          This revelation[Math 11] halts the acts of the carnal flesh man, it kills him off and subdues the flesh so it ceases from its labour.


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                            abram was changed to AbraHam a name change

                            Paul the pharisee of Pharisees had a name change too;
                            He was Saul who changed to Paul.
                            He was like Nicodemus. Changed men - they changed their religion into a RELATIONSHIP.

                            A point about Abraham, is He changed into ''the father of faith'' and from him the world receives blessings.
                            Abraham and the overcomer are joined together as Brethren of the UNLIMITED kingdom realm.

                            AND THE KEY IS ''FAITH'' in the unlimited creative ability of the Father to believe IN HIM AND HIS PROMISES, when there is NO evidence of the impossible to be seen by eye sight.

                            You see no man can have this faith unless THEY HEAR for faith comes BY hearing and it is stated Abraham heard and believed.

                            faith is joined with love and hope but faith is not love nor is it hope FAITH is the ability to turn inward and see a situation from the spiritual angle and faith makes our spiritual inner man grow up and mature. Faith comes.
                            FAITH IS being able to see from LIFE IN THE SPIRIT rather than by eye sight or situation sight.
                            faith is opposite unbelief and Messiah did not work where there was unbelief.

                            that is why men have founded church beliefs from the bible but they themselves remain in unbelief.
                            If they BELIEVED GOD - they would not be as they are today, nor would this world be as it is today - infact the church system is their sign of their unbelief.

                            if the church system was like Father Abraham this world would be a different place.
                            the church aborts the babes and the church fails to live continually in the ''impossible realm''
                            yes, theY have the words but not the walk.

                            when the Prodigal Son returned home to the Father - the father's love for the son brought forth the gifts so the son would return to his home and destiny and be restored back into the family home - Jesus was showing this from His Ministry of LIFE.

                            SEE THIS - HIS MINISTRY IS A MINISTRY OF RESTORATION AND RECONCILLIATION - restoring man back into their NORMAL divine being realm and taking human flawed man OUT - from the abomination of desolation [ the law of sin and death]
                            NICODEMUS - saw his own personal ministry and went to Jesus in secret and found out WHY HIS MINISTRY WAS SO VASTLY DIFFERENT from his own.
                            same with Saul who turned into Paul. - same thing happened to 2 religious men.
                            i mean this 2 men were not just no-bodies on the side lines in their beliefs.
                            YOU SEE - these 2 men SAW THE SPIRIT OF LIFE at WORK and this is the trouble today NO ONE see this spirit of life at work in their lives - ALL THEY SEE IS DEATH AND ITS DESTRUCTIVE WORK AND LOVELESSNESS and sadness and a world in chaos yet they still remain in the same old same old mould of death - never questioning their walk or their beliefs that FAIL TO REPRODUCE CHRIST IN THEM forgoodness sakes. THEY PROFITEER off humanity and its suffering.

                            generation after generation it goes on and on.

                            only those prodigal sons shall return to the father's house and become His immortal sons by taking on His likeness at all points.
                            these sons are the heirs of Salvation - the ekklesia - the rulers and reigners THE OVERCOMERS - rev 3 - who overcome all things inc physical death because these sons are kings and priests under the lordship of a MELCHIDEZEKIAN order and High Priest - the imperishables, the incoruptables, the undying priesthood for their high Priest Emmanuel interceeds over them to the uttermost. Like Their Father Abraham, they are joined together by the creation glue called FAITH.


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                              Father speaks to His Overcomer [ the abrahams or the true fathers]

                              each day, they receive His word and their faith comes from hearing....
                              edification also comes from His brethren.....

                              here is Larry wilson [ from Oz]

                              [email protected]

                              “My precious Sons, you were predestined by Me before the foundation of the world to be My Sons and bear My Glory. You were chosen Spiritually by Me before you were conceived. The human mind does not understand this because it will only accept things that are factual, but I formed you in My heart before you were conceived naturally in your mothers’ wombs.

                              When I spoke creation into being, so too you were created and sang with Me in the heavens on the day of creation, and you will sing with Me again on My Kingdom Day as it comes to earth. Your song will be the New Song of praise and worship from the tabernacle of David.

                              Now you live on the earth as My Manchild company of Sons, Faithful Ones and Elect. The world does not know you, My church rejects you but this is because they do not understand the things of My Kingdom. When they reject you they reject Me to their own judgement.

                              All times are in My hands. Again I have kept the revealing of the best wine until last. You are the choicest wine. You are mellow, you are rich, and your aroma is a delight to My nostrils. My Choicest and best wine, I have kept preserved in My Secret Place until the last Feast and I will bring it out with great pride and joy to share with the world.

                              Do not concern yourselves with your earthly circumstances, for they will change. Some of you are feeling that you have made wrong decisions in your lives and are allowing the enemy to condemn you. Do not listen to this for you are in My hand. Believe this and be at rest. I have allowed you to make mistakes in order that I might perfect and change you. This is My business. Accept yourselves with joy. The enemy will try to attack you because he knows that you are an army to be feared.

                              Not as in My church day where I gave them Spiritual weapons for their warfare, but you are My weapons. You are My New army which I will unleash upon the earth. Man thinks of an army in terms of war and destruction, but My New army are warriors of peace and rest.

                              You are My New priesthood anointed to birth My Kingdom Day on the earth. You are My New prophets and teachers. You are My New creation with My Glory and Immortality in you.

                              Rest in who you are and do not be concerned with your temporal circumstances. These will change. You have a High calling and the cares of life will be loosed from you as shackles from a bondman. I am finishing My work in you.

                              I came forth a Spiritual man from a natural womb. You will come forth as natural people from a Spiritual womb. I forsook My Glory to be born a man; you will forsake your natural to be born a Glory people.

                              My Kingdom Day will be a day of rejoicing and praise. A day of great peace and joy never yet seen on the earth. You are My ministers of these things as you introduce the Feast of Tabernacles after the order of David. The earth is travailing under the influence of darkness but as you arise in My Light the darkness will be expelled.

                              Let Me be seen in your faces now. Let your New man come forth as the Day is dawning.

                              You are yet to experience a full personal intimate relationship with Me where I will call you by another name as I did with Solomon.

                              You have joy, responsibility, service and rewards set before you which you do not yet fully know. Be strong and overcome in My victory. Be a rock as mighty people of valour. Your travail is not in vain. I hear every cry and stand by you in every trial. I guide you even as hear My word to you. Your today, your tomorrow and eternity is laid down by Me. Have confidence and trust Me in this. My sheep hear My voice.

                              The day of your revealing is at hand. What Glory will fill the earth. You will have the joy and privilege of representing the Lord of the whole earth. Those who have rejected and hurt you, I will make them to confess that I was in you. I will not have My priesthood trodden down, and the honour I afford to you will Glorify Me for surely you will proclaim that I never left you or forsook you”.
                              nothing can shake this hearing in faith to the Overcomer.
                              for it is repeated over and over so an overcomer stands upon a sure foundation and this foundation of faith is creating the very thing Father desires.
                              it seems an overcomer is ''fosilised'' into the rock of Jesus Beliefs as it is He who builds His ekklesia
                              An Overcomer is a stamped ON THE ROCK of salvation and nothing can move them out from their fosilizations.