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    Hi Lucy, I can agree with you that overcoming is what it's all about. That was the plan FROM the beginning, even BEFORE the foundation of the world. Overcoming, and having our sins go into remission, is why Yeshua's blood was shed for us. But that is not the case with a substitutionalist who can believe with their whole heart that Elohim punished Yeshua just so that He could forgive them, and then they die in that delusion. Your belief that one MUST change and be conformed to the Image of His Son is correct, that is if they want any chance of salvation, as they work it out with "fear and trembling," but most substitutionalists would call that a "works" orientated salvation and rebel against it just as you rebel against what Spying and I say. Here's the bottom line Lucy. The mindset you have against the Law of Elohim (Moses' Law) was NOT the mindset of the Apostles. They loved Moses, and they loved the Law, and they used Moses to preach the Gospel and the Truth as these Scriptures do prove and indicate:

    Mal 4:4 "Remember the law of Moses My servant, even the statutes and ordinances which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel. (This is the last admonition we have from Yahweh in the OT.)

    Luk 16:29-31 "But Abraham *said, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.' (30) "But he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!' (31) "But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.'"

    Luk 24:27...32 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures....32 They said to one another, "Were not our hearts burning within us while He was speaking to us on the road, while He was opening the Scriptures to us?" (Opening up MOSES!)

    Luk 24:44-45 Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." (45) Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,

    Joh 5:46-47 "For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. (47) "But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

    Act 26:19-23 "So, King Agrippa, I did not prove disobedient to the heavenly vision, (20) but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to Elohim, performing deeds appropriate to repentance. (21) "For this reason some Jews seized me in the temple and tried to put me to death. (22) "So, having obtained help from Elohim, I stand to this day testifying both to small and great, stating nothing but what the Prophets and Moses said was going to take place; (23) that the Messiah was to suffer, and that by reason of His resurrection from the dead He would be the first to proclaim light both to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles."

    Act 28:23 When they had set a day for Paul, they came to him at his lodging in large numbers; and he was explaining to them by solemnly testifying about the kingdom of Elohim and trying to persuade them concerning Yeshua, from both the Law of Moses and from the Prophets, from morning until evening.

    2Co 3:15-16 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; (16) but whenever a person turns to the Master, the veil is taken away.

    And here's the clincher Lucy. Deceivers and twisters of the Law try to make it appear that True Believers are AGAINST the Law and AGAINST Moses, and will falsely accuse with allegations to that effect. They did it with Stephen and they did it with Paul, and now you are doing it with Spying and myself. Stop falsely accusing against Moses and the Law Lucy!

    Act 6:11-15 Then they secretly induced men to say, "We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and against Elohim." (12) And they stirred up the people, the elders and the scribes, and they came up to him and dragged him away and brought him before the Council. (13) They put forward false witnesses who said, "This man incessantly speaks against this holy place and the Law; (14) for we have heard him say that this Nazarene, Jesus, will destroy this place and alter the customs which Moses handed down to us." (15) And fixing their gaze on him, all who were sitting in the Council saw his face like the face of an angel. Do you see that Lucy? False witnesses said Stephen was speaking against Moses and the Customs. If they were truly false witnesses, then that would in and of itself PROVE that Stephen didn't speak against Moses OR the Customs...does you logical mind grasp that Lucy? And the same thing happened to Paul:

    Act 21:20-24 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, "You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; (21) and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. (22) "What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. (23) "Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; (24) take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things (false charges) which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law.

    Both Stephen and Paul were FALSELY accused of teaching AGAINST the Law and the Customs of Moses, and yet you don't want to see or believe the fact that these were FALSE WITNESSES and FALSE CHARGES. You would rather believe the FALSE WITNESSES instead of the actual TRUTH about how a True Believer can become MORE Zealous to keep the Law AFTER their Faith has been established. And that was the HOPE of the Holy Spirit and the Council of Acts 15 when James only troubled the Gentiles turning to Elohim with those four NECESSARY COMMANDS of Moses, BECAUSE the Gentiles would be HEARING Moses READ EACH AND EVERY Sabbath as they fellowshiped with Jewish Believers. Plain and simple Lucy. So your mindset needs to change with how you despise and hate Moses and Elohim's Law. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols
    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

  • #2
    WELL THEY MAY HAVE HEARD MOSES READ...but to no avail

    BUT AFTER 70ad - it all died a terrible death.

    infact if you think about it - it began with terrible deaths in Egypt - possibly millions of 1st borns died and then millions died in the wilderness and at the end millionS died from Jerusalem to Egypt's borders - death at the beginning, death in the middle and death at the end - a total era of mass murder - yes - if u want to live in the murder era - go ahead but remember - the law of sin and death has many casualities -

    but u see IAH i dont wish to live there making grace void.

    i guess it all depends where u wish to live in a shadow or in the better thing -

    perhaps when u are a shadow - you only love shadow type things.

    OH iah - JUST AS A MATTER OF INTEREST - WHAT LAWS TO THE JEWS only DO U KEEP?

    CAN U NAME THE 613 - HOW MANY ummm #1 #2 #25..... #38...42 47....199 299 321 489 ????---ummmmm
    like what is law 399?
    umm?
    what is law 478?
    what is law 529?
    Does this lawkeeping to the jew fill in your days as you rush around guarding yourself say....
    #-68.Not to exclude an Egyptian from the community of Israel for three generations (Deut. 23:8-9) - do you do this one?
    #-125.To discuss the departure from Egypt on the first night of Passover (Ex. 13:8)
    #-171.Not to make a loan to an Israelite on interest (Lev. 25:37) (CCN54).
    i do hope you are getting the picture IAH now if your'e not. do you realise you have to keep all 613 jewish laws - not just YOUR SPECIAL ONES.

    now here is a good one I bet u never do this 1
    #193.-Not to permit a gentile to treat harshly a Hebrew bondman sold to him (Lev. 25:53) (negative). have you got slaves IAH and if so do you treat them right?

    go into the naughty corner - and wear the dunces cap immediately.
    why not learn to rightly divide His word.
    your spiritual welfare is at stake....


    but at the end of the day WHO CARESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS what u think = no one - they are all drinkin' in the season to be jolly... ho ho ho and whats more you are not my Messiah but a strifer who lives in usa- a land where weirds amd madness is ''accepted'' as normal expecially in their religious views.... .

    ps
    IAH everything what I believe is correct - i have a divine teacher and infact this divine teacher would never teach me the law to the jew only and overcoming - they are not compatable.

    i dont serve 2 masters JUST ONE - THE PERSON CALLED THE TRUTH.
    WHAT IS TRUTH - A PERSON.
    WHAT IS LIFE - A PERSON
    WHAT IS THE WAY - A PERSON

    notice - it is NOT a law BUT A PERSON.

    you follow a law I FOLLOW A PERSON.

    what lies u tell IAH declaring peter and James and the decission of Acts LIES AND FALSE WITNESSES...........
    so now you call Peter and James + the direction of the holy Spirit LIARS....
    watch you mouth laddy...dont ever poke a stick in Father's eye - who knows where ya will end up.
    U KNOW IAH - YOU NEVER TELL LIES ABOUT THE BOSS - THE BOSS HAS THE ABILITY TO DO ALL TYPES OF VERY NASTY THINGS - ONE WOULD NOT EVER IMAGINE.
    I DO BELIEVE IAH - YOUR'E ON THE EDGE.

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    • #3
      Making Love

      Hi Lucy, one of the things that may help change your mindset about Yahweh's Law is for you to understand about love making. Please consider that Yahweh was married to two sisters (Israel and Judah) and they both turned their back to Him and fornicated and played the whore with other gods. Just how did they fornicate with other gods? Didn't they worship, sacrifice, and burn incense to those other gods? They obeyed those false gods and worshipped them as did the people of the land, and that was considered as "making love" to those dieties. Yahweh was very patient and tried time after time after time to get those two sisters to be faithful to Him and GIVE Him obedience, but they were always laying on their backs (backsliding), giving their "favors" to those "other lovers." He eventually had enough and divorced the one sister (Israel), and came very close to divorcing the other sister (Judah):

      Jer 3:6-15 Yahweh said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot. (7) And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. (8) And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also. (9) And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks. (10) And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith Yahweh. (11) And Yahweh said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah. (12) Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith Yahweh, and I will not keep anger for ever. (13) Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against Yahweh thy Elohim, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith Yahweh. (14) Turn, O backsliding children, saith Yahweh; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: (15) And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

      Now, Lucy, if you read the above Scripture closely, you should have seen a very clear picture of two sisters who liked to "screw" around with other "men," and not give themselves to their "Husband." It's a shame, a true shame, a truly great shame when a wife refuses her Husband, and wants nothing to do with His "penis" (oh, I meant His Law). She thinks that the only thing that comes out of His "penis" is sin and death (urine)...such a defiling nasty thing, that "old penis." It's just a shame, a truly great shame that she despises something that can become magnified or "enlarged," resulting in an "orgasm" the way His "penis" can:

      Isa 42:21 Yahweh was pleased, for his righteousness' sake, to magnify (enlarge) His Law and make it glorious.

      2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is Elohim, who also hath given unto us the earnest (deposit) of the Spirit.

      Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom Elohim hath given (orgasmed) to them that obey Him.

      Do you see what you are missing out on Lucy? You could be a "lover" to Elohim that could get great pleasure from Him by being "zealous" for His Law, and when you did, something would be released from Him and given to you as a "deposit," guaranteeing the promised LIFE to come!

      Hopefully Lucy, you can become a serving wife that pleases her Husband, and not a wife that rejects Him and His "penis." Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
      Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

      Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
      Abstain from meats offered to idols
      (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
      So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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      • #4
        YES i know lovemaking - the divine kind not a destroyed law of a jew

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB54X...eature=related

        have u ever wondered by it is said ''they search the scriptures thinking in them they find life?''

        the DIVINE LIFE - IS TAUGHT BY THE DIVINE TEACHER.
        a man simply cannot teach divine life liberty and true reality when they are bound, not divine and basically a ''useless eater'' to the whole matrix realm?

        out from the whole world only disciples HEAR THE TEACHER - they simply dont follow hirelings, THE human unregenerated, the pimps of the pulpit, OR anyother person who is a matrix dweller - no they have PRIVATE EDUCATION FROM A NON HUMAN TEACHER - WHO WILL GRADUATE THEM into the image of Christ - unfortunately dear Moses what not the one.



        now IAH you have a host of false teacher memories from human hirelings and pimps injected into your mind - u are a conglomatrate of hirelings and big business religious memories and so now your'e a babylonian of confusion - a little here and just in case a little there. therfore however sincere ye be - people remain unchanged by your method which has been around for many many years........................too longggggggggggggggggggggg and has been proven a false product.

        when people purchase a false product they usually take it back to their supplier - suggestion- return your belief to your former religious pimps.

        the church is a dying tradition just as the law died in 70ad.

        why not return to a normal life and give up the abomination of desolation - the law to the jew, pimps, hirelings and other assorted teachers.
        few find eternal life

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        • #5
          Bearing False Witness

          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
          now IAH you have a host of false teacher memories from human hirelings and pimps injected into your mind - u are a conglomatrate of hirelings and big business religious memories and so now your'e a babylonian of confusion - a little here and just in case a little there. therfore however sincere ye be - people remain unchanged by your method which has been around for many many years........................too longggggggggggggggggggggg and has been proven a false product.
          Hi Lucy, I'm surprised by what you write here. Can you find ONE preacher or commentator that says what I stated in my last post? If you can't, how can you lay a charge against me as having false teachers injecting my mind with what I have said. Shame on you again for bearing false witness against the Holy Spirit. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
          Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

          Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
          Abstain from meats offered to idols
          (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
          So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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          • #6
            have u ever wondered "by" it is said

            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
            have u ever wondered "by" it is said
            Hi Lucy, have u ever wondered WHY Yeshua said, "Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they (The Scriptures) which testify of Me." Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
            Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

            Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
            Abstain from meats offered to idols
            (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
            So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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            • #7
              yes ... they do

              isnt it strange that the jew doesnt believe the very scriptures that do this very thing.
              all those hints and clues and prophecies, the study and the conversations over this - yet in the main the jew remains unconverted. They [the scriptures] are all clearly seen by the converted.

              2000yrs this travesty of injustice towards the Saviour has been in progress, at the same time, the church system [wearing her injustice like a crown and halo,] has stumbled and has failed to reproduce Christlikeness in anyone,

              dont u think it strange?


              both system declaring their own righteousness and ''we are the truth'' FAIL to serve out from the truth.

              the law failed to complete man
              the church failed to complete man.


              what a waste of time and mindboggling stupidity.

              so perhaps there is a church born of the INCORRUPTABLE SEED - a hidden work in a hidden people-
              nothing from the law to the jew and nothing of the church system would be in the manifestation of His incorruptable seed church after all IT IS HIS WORKMANSHIP.

              the jew
              the church

              HIS PEOPLE who have been removed from religions and progressively made into HIS PERSONAL LIFE.

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              • #8
                All Israel will be saved.

                Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                isnt it strange that the jew doesnt believe the very scriptures that do this very thing.
                dont u think it strange?
                Hi Lucy, I don't think it is stange at all. Paul told us that his Jewish brothers had a partial blindness so that the Gentiles could come in and share in the Blessings. He also said that:

                Rom 11:25-29 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: (27) For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. (28) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. (29) For the gifts and calling of Elohim are without repentance.

                You need to rethink everything you believe about Israel and the House of Jacob. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew
                Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                Abstain from meats offered to idols
                (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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