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  • Paul [an ex law keeper himself] said the law to the jew was ''spiritual''.

    in what context is this made?
    2Co 3:6
    Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament (covenant); not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
    v7
    Paul calls the letter, “The ministration of death, written and engraven in stones.”
    v14
    We know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
    ummm
    Ro 7:6
    But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter
    the law to the jew only - held them in death...
    so now as gentiles we should serve in THE NEWNESS OF THE SPIRIT and no longer in the oldness of the law to the jew.
    But now we are delivered (#2673 katargeo- destroy , loosed, abolish ) from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
    a small child could fully understand these verses.
    pinch me if i am wrong.

    the law served the carnal mind only
    yes it was ''spiritual'' only in the sense Father the spirit gave it.
    that is IT.
    why?
    We’re delivered from the penalty of the law.
    How?
    By the one and only way, which is death; for the wages or penalty of sin, (transgressing the law) is death
    (Ro 6:23).
    only death can deliver a person from their carnal mind under the law to the jew. Paul knew this saying ''o wretched man that i am WHO CAN DELIVER me from this body of death''

    the jews were carnalminded - they could not keep their laws - they were sold into a sinning dying nation.

    Jesus came to reverse their carnal law into SPIRITUAL LAWS. namely the fruits of the spirit and the gifts.
    how did this change happen?
    the Holy Spirit has come as the Teacher and now believers can bear THE FRUITS/Gifts OF THE SPIRIT.

    If i still keep '' a saturday'' as my rest day like a jew - i have reverted back to the law to the jew which the NT writers say is a positive'' NO NO'''
    why?
    because the '' sabbath '' now are a spiritual rest for spiritual people who will bear the fruits of such rest- found in Math 11 v 28-29-30.

    when a believer seeks this rest they automatically are ''hidden in Christ'' [ the anointing of power that defeats all their enemies even death.]

    we need divine reality people who are not paper cut outs of the OT laws and carnal ways.

    if you choose a religious rest saturday of ' your 'works'' saying to the Saviour ''Your finished work was not enough for my salvation but thanx anyways'' please automatically know now that - '' the law has dominion (kurieuo) over a man as long as he liveth? say'' hello law to the jew only - here i am to suffer death at your hands''

    however super spiritual you wanna be please understand the result of ''spin'' and trying to be so so so super-spiritual ''working out your salvation'' doing a ''not so holy saturday feist.
    the truth a small child will understand.....
    rom 6:14
    For sin shall not have dominion (kurieuo) over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

    1Ti 1:9
    Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient.

    Ga 5:18
    But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
    .

    when a believer receives the spirit of life they are able to change into the same image as their Saviour.
    The law to the jew only and the christian system robbed men of their liberty - both remain captives.

  • #2
    our belief should always be in perspective.....to seek the whole counsels not just

    odd verses.
    as an example [ to digress a little here] the whole of churchdom submits itself to the enemy death and making it their friend....
    by 1 verse that is misconstrued...
    ''it is appointed once for all men to die'' so this verse overrides all LIFE VERSES spoken because death is so evident in the world and no-one expects to live over 80yrs anyways for by ignorance they have made a covenant with death - now death is described as the flesh/carnal/unsound mind - a legacy from Adam - DONT FORGET TO SAY ''THANKZ ADAM''.

    THE VERSE should read ''once, it was appointed for all men to die'' so what a difference a place of a word makes.

    the same with the law to the jew - the whole counsels must be taken into our considerations otherwise they are slanted to a corrupted viewpoint - and so to ''whose benefit does a corrupt view help" - why its satan's.
    so satan is so eager to advise all men to somehow ''observe the law to the jew'' so grace is made void in so many millions of lives
    the first clue to ''troubles in the form of corruption'' came in from Judaism during a transition peroid from jew to gentile and the law to faith and grace - a noticeable religious upheaval.

    the same as today the transition from the apostate church into true kingdom life and power and the adpotion of His sons.

    the church system shall fail and die out as the sons overtake the church in power and might.
    once again the old giving way to the new.


    also today millions are so zealous to keep some parts of the ''works'' of the jew - they feel they do need this to complete their salvation. The cross did not do enough for these people.

    Ofcourse Apostle Paul's teaching was.........
    against the idea that law-keeping could be used to convey growth for our spiritual life or justification (Gal. 3:1-3).
    but this truth is lost on the masses of legalistic sabbatherians.

    Infact Paul's anger was kindled so strongly in his rebuke for such a mixture he stated that he......
    ''certainly stood against this idea, so much so that he rebuked the whole Church of Galatia for bringing the law in alongside the Spirit of grace which they began in.
    again this is NOT good enough for those law keepers [ in parts] yet the truth be known the whole 613 laws were a unit and not just 10 - again this truth is lost on these religious people.

    ''Those religious pew people who observe and perpetuate the law to the jew today want to discard the 603 and live by only 10.
    so we can see now the WHOLE COUNSELS OF GOD ARE BEING LOST BY the religious stronghold of MISINFORMATION
    and a false belief, but let us progress.......
    sliding down to the misinformation ladder we now find the a whole unit of 613 must be kept keeping parts of the law to the jew is NOT an option.
    The whole law to the jew, contained a legal legislation that related to 3 aspects the moral law the religious law and the civil life - so it BECAME A PACKAGE and so James firmly advises this...
    James 2:10
    states to break one point of the law means we are guilty of all,
    ofcourse this information also can be likened to the NT creation......
    THE NT transformed new creation is a PACKAGE - OF A SPIRIT A SOUL AND A BODY......A PACKAGE DEAL to be blameless in all 3 sections. one cannot have a matured spirit and a deformed body......
    however.... let us cont..
    There are church teachers who are Nomianists.. this is a term used for those who mix the law to the jew with faith and grace of the new covenant - the result is they are hybrids.
    [neither one nor the other]
    not 1 person benefits from this false concept -when the truth is.....
    Romans 6:14
    states that as believers we are "no longer under law but under grace."
    This clearly teaches that law to the jew- is not used as a[b] saving or a sanctifying prescription /.b] for believers - a small child could now understand this advice.
    now for the warning....
    The law of the jew demand was = for their perfect obedience for their whole life, or found guilty and eternally punished.

    o foolish man - how unwise to play with the scriptures and mock His gift of Grace issued from the Throne of Grace,


    let us now seek further into the whole counsel of God,

    Rom 3:21-24
    "But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe."
    Rom 10:4:
    "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
    By trusting in Christ’s work the law is fulfilled perfectly.
    Christ is the end of the law,
    the Greek word is ''telos'' which means termination or goal.
    The law was replaced.
    again a small child would understand these verses.
    just to make our understanding of this matter complete Paul the Apostle goes further in advising believers of pairs of comparison.
    2 women
    2 cities
    2 mountains
    2 sons
    2 covenant - 5 pairs.
    5 =grace
    five pairs - i feel this clinches the whole revelation when comparing these 5 pairs.

    so we shall no longer be confused over law to the jew and grace and faith.
    He takes the time and effort+ taught what to post by the holy Spirit when comparing 5 features so we can gain divine insight over this matter.
    So with these divine revelations in our mind now - we can see why the law to the jews was dismantled in 70ad amen'

    --------------------------------
    i found an interesting verse
    Ezekiel says God gave Israel laws that He knew ‘were not good and judgments they could not live by’ (20:25)
    Eze 20:25
    Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
    Ezekiel claims that the people of Israel were depraved during their entire history.
    ummm
    does this now relate to 'lawkeepers'' today? i shall seek to find................

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    • #3
      well i found my answer............................

      Ezekiel claims that the people of Israel were depraved during their entire history.
      ummm
      does this now relate to 'lawkeepers'' today?
      i shall seek to find................
      i found out that lawkeepers find Obedience to the Word an impossibility.
      why?
      because unfortunately they misusing the law for a purpose other than what it was given for.

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      • #4
        Multiple Personality Disorder

        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
        i found out that lawkeepers find Obedience to the Word an impossibility.
        why?
        Hi Lucy, that's because most who believe like you that "God" has a "multiple personality disorder," only look at the Law by "works," and not the "Spirit." Those like you Lucy feel that the "God" who said, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word which proceeds forth out of the mouth of Yahweh," was a different personality than the one whom you believe in now. More or less, he's changed, he no longer feels that way about his word. Shame, shame on you Lucy. ImAHebrew

        P.S. BTW, WHICH statutes and judgments are not good and should not be lived by? The Sabbath, Murder, Lying, Homosexuality, Adultery, Beastiality, Coveteousness...which ones don't you live by now Lucy? Don't deceive yourself Lucy, those who refuse to LIVE by those commands of Yahweh's Word, will not enter into LIFE.

        Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; Elohim is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

        Gal 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, (20) Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, (21) Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of Elohim.

        1Co 6:9-10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of Elohim? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of Elohim.

        Mar 7:20-23 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. (21) For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, (22) Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: (23) All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

        Rev 21:7-8 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his Elohim, and he shall be my son. (8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

        Eph 5:1-6 Be ye therefore followers of Elohim, as dear children; (2) And walk in love, as Messiah also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to Elohim for a sweetsmelling savour. (3) But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; (4) Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. (5) For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Messiah and of Elohim. (6) Let no man (or woman) deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of Elohim upon the children of disobedience.

        1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
        Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

        Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
        Abstain from meats offered to idols
        (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
        So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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        • #5
          Oh man thats so disgusting......

          dis-gust-ing IAH.

          why i live IN THE SPIRIT OF LIFE - NOW IN CHRIST JESUS - i wished u lived there too, and not INSIDE OF THAT other dis-gust-ing place called 'a blaspheme AGAINST the holy Spirit'' and a false teacher by re-directing back to jewish laws not many could keep.
          o you naughty thing.
          especially when you tell off the Holy Spirit and call HIM a liar.
          =======================================



          oh! do u know who ''the deceiving woman'' really is?
          its the rulership of the carnal mind of man - the woman who agrees with the devil in all men/women/children on planet earth who are ''the deceived'' and you appear to be amid the '' chief deceivers''

          how come a lo ammi person knows the truth?
          is this a oxymoron?

          now really, you jester what is a girl to think.
          you want me to do, what you have no rights to make me do, lo ammi.

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          • #6
            Vomiting!

            Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
            Oh man thats so disgusting......
            Hi Lucy, sinners are repulsed by Yahweh's commands and they do vomit when they delusionally think thay have peace as they transgress them. It would help you to stop drinking in the imaginations of your deceitful and lying heart, and repent. Come INTO the times of refreshing Lucy. ImAHebrew

            P.S. Answer the question about which Word Warren left out in your tagline.
            Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

            Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
            Abstain from meats offered to idols
            (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
            So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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            • #7
              not before u admit Gals is correct that the Gals where BEWITCHED- Paul said so.....

              hehehe........................LO AMMI
              IAH - STILL IN THE BEWITCHING REALM PEDDLING WITCHERY?.
              UMMMM

              when u go out to look at the new moon - do you howl and does your nails grow into claws and does body hair grow so bad you need an appointment for WAXING the next day?

              BE-WITCHED [CURSE OF WITCHES].
              wait I WILL LOOK THE WORD UP..........................
              THEN WE CAN SEE JUST ''WHO U ARE'' IAH and what has happened too ya? and how you were so spoilt.


              a: to influence or affect especially injuriously by witchcraft
              b: to cast a spell over

              : to attract as if by the power of witchcraft
              : enchant, fascinate

              intransitive verb


              : to bewitch someone or something

              — be·witch·ery noun

              — be·witch·ing·ly





              Synonyms: charm, enchant, ensorcell (or ensorcel), hex, overlook, spell, strike
              so i could write this sentence as the truth about you Lo ammi
              ''IAH and brother Allen have been charmed away from the truth of the NT Gospel''
              ''IAH and brother Allen have been enchanted by a spell or a hex away from the NT Gospel''
              ''IAH and brother Allen have been affected especially injuriously by the power of witchcraft ''

              now boys this is your true state.

              ''? who cast a spell and fasinated Spying?"

              - He said [publically here in LA] he learnt the sabbath keeping from ''herbert the pervert'' armstrong.
              it would seem that ''old Herbert the pervert'' charisma- cast a spell on Spying and he has never been able to be delivered from satan
              Beware of any authoritative Bible teacher who proclaims that Herbert Armstrong was given God's truths and was used by God!

              and as for IAH,
              ummmm......


              either brother Allen tutored him, or he was enchanted by Ellen ''50 times a proven liar'' White and Co.

              so now [drum roll]

              the bewitched enchanterers wish to convert readers to being bewitched as they were so fasinated and spellbound to law keeping to the jews only that Paul warned and got furiously angry with the Galatians.
              He BEGAN IN THE SPIRIT AND ENDED UP IN THE LAW]

              did you see their confusion?
              did you see how Paul; dealt with this massive perversion of the truth of the whole Gospel [goodnews]?
              did you see how we are warned today of this very thing?
              do you now understand when we are ''begat by Spirit'' then the law of the jews alone is voided.

              the mixing of the 2 concepts is TOXIC.

              so the ? is this.................
              shall we be converted or shall the Holy Spirit do HIS WARNING AND WARING WORK THAT CLOSES the mouths of the bewitched.

              who will actually heed them and isnt Lo ammi so approporate a tag?
              ''not my people''.

              FOR THE TRUTH BY PROOF
              The Righteous Will Live by Faith: Galatians 3:1-14

              WORDS........................of pauls reactions.
              frustrated and angry AND exasperated with the Galatians.
              why?
              The question Apostle Paul asks them is not whether, but how.
              How did they receive the seal of the Spirit?
              the seal of the Spirit has no place with the law to the jew only.
              the law to the jew only DID NOT TRANSFORM THEIR LIVES, oh- NO, it WAS THE SEALING of THE HOLY SPIRIT.
              Apostle Paul knows the answer to His ?
              Was it by observing the Law to the jew only or was it through faith in the crucified Messiah?
              The answer, Paul knew, was that they received the Spirit through the Gospel yet they were BEWITCHED to return to the law.
              the PUNCH LINE IS=
              ''Why would the Galatians start with Spirit and end in flesh?'' WORKS LAW?

              not to give up that new freedom OF THE NEW CREATION and new way of life by reverting back to old forms of condemnation and curses.

              so with this explanation we now know the truth
              IAH and Spying must have never has the SEALING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
              or
              THEY WERE CHARMED AWAY by other evil snake charmers into believing a lie a hybrid and a mixture that had made void the holy grace within their lives.
              Now these men wish for us all to be ''rejects as they are rejected''

              I am very sad this is their choices.

              I am glad we have discovered their plight and the true situation despite their denials.
              perhaps now we could pray for their deliverance from witchery.
              amen

              the fact is the bewitched shall ''fight for '' their spells with zeal.
              they will not believe anyone why? because their '' bewitching'' is a type of hypnotism and so they are blinded to their peril.











              mes·mer·ism
              noun \ˈmez-mə-ˌri-zəm also ˈmes-\










              1

              : hypnotic induction held to involve animal magnetism; broadly: hypnotism


              2

              : hypnotic appeal

              — mes·mer·ist \-rist\noun


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              • #8
                14 year old

                Hi Lucy, Galatains is CORRECT, and those at the Galatia Church were bewitched, but you and Warren are INCORRECT in that a very important Word was left out of his six points. Now, I have answered you, you need to stop acting like a "spiritual" 14 year old, and answer me. ImAHebrew
                Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                Abstain from meats offered to idols
                (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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