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  • the abomination of desolation.................... is man made RELIGION of death.

    it would be living a very boring religious life under the law of sin and death.

    ofcourse in obedience to the pervert and destroyer of families = the creed of armstrongism and his stolen studies of pinched ideas from the equally corrupt JW's and their even more corrupted pals- the vegin adventists.
    o dear God could anything be worse.
    YES


    and worst of all would be..............
    going to their saturday sabbath services, putting out the chairs, eating a crappy lunch of stale sandwiches and listening to the ''clone of evil'' pervert the Gospel completely outta shape so it becomes unrecognisable.

    BUT THERE IS EVEN MORE....

    Then driving home in a clapped out car because you have given all your hard earnt dollars to a slave of religious evil who wanted to Live the high life on ya money.

    BUT IT GETS MORE WORSE than ever....
    THINKING YOU ARE DOING YOUR GOD A FAVOUR and obeying him by doing a wee little biddy bitz of the law of Moses for the jews, by not eating bacon and staring at the moon squizzing your eyes up to see a wee biddy outline.

    but just when you think it cannot get worse....
    YOU DISCOVER ALL TOO LATE there is another world outside your little man made hell hole of religion, where divine love flows like living waters and where there are trees and sandy beaches and wonderfull picnics and delightfull gardens and the stink of armstrongism is no where present and you have just wasted 1/2 your life in a man made religious prison that made you as poor as a church mouse.

    but the real punch line is Father allowed you to suffer from a strong delusion.


    hey
    watcha do on Father hey?

  • #2
    Drunken Tirade

    Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
    it would be living a very boring religious life under the law of sin and death.

    ofcourse in obedience to the pervert and destroyer of families = the creed of armstrongism and his stolen studies of pinched ideas from the equally corrupt JW's and their even more corrupted pals- the vegin adventists.
    o dear God could anything be worse.
    YES


    and worst of all would be..............
    going to their saturday sabbath services, putting out the chairs, eating a crappy lunch of stale sandwiches and listening to the ''clone of evil'' pervert the Gospel completely outta shape so it becomes unrecognisable.

    BUT THERE IS EVEN MORE....

    Then driving home in a clapped out car because you have given all your hard earnt dollars to a slave of religious evil who wanted to Live the high life on ya money.

    BUT IT GETS MORE WORSE than ever....
    THINKING YOU ARE DOING YOUR GOD A FAVOUR and obeying him by doing a wee little biddy bitz of the law of Moses for the jews, by not eating bacon and staring at the moon squizzing your eyes up to see a wee biddy outline.

    but just when you think it cannot get worse....
    YOU DISCOVER ALL TOO LATE there is another world outside your little man made hell hole of religion, where divine love flows like living waters and where there are trees and sandy beaches and wonderfull picnics and delightfull gardens and the stink of armstrongism is no where present and you have just wasted 1/2 your life in a man made religious prison that made you as poor as a church mouse.

    but the real punch line is Father allowed you to suffer from a strong delusion.


    hey
    watcha do on Father hey?
    Hi Lucy, it's very evident from your above "drunken" tirade, that you lack Spiritual Understanding, and truly despise the WORDS of Messiah. IF, the Abomination of Desolation, is as YOU say, the "man made RELIGION of death," and as you teach, the Remembering of the Sabbath Day to keep it holy is part of this "man made RELIGION of death," WHY-WHY-WHY would Messiah ask YOU to pray that your FLIGHT not take place ON THE SABBATH, when you FLEE from this "man made RELIGION of death?" I'm well aware that a drunk has a hard time comprehending, and they think their "slurred" speech is as clear as a bell, but Lucy, when you come out of the drunken stupor you are in and truly look at what you have spoken here, you are going to be embarrased. ImAHebrew
    Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

    Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
    Abstain from meats offered to idols
    (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
    So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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    • #3
      does the truth set men free..? desolation/destruction/desimation/demoralization

      when does lies succeed and truth lays in the gutter?
      ummmm?

      when does a crafty twisted CON BECOME THE TRUTH?

      ONLY WHEN IT IS BELIEVED BY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SENT A STRONG DELUSION TO BELIEVE A LIE.


      A CLOUD A RELIGIOUS STUPIDITY hovers over the land that a people would believe a lie.

      a preacher - un-annointed, incestious, thieving money, a drunkard+ A destroyer of the gospel, AND copies other abominational cults beliefs - is to be believed?

      actually i would be so embarrased to have believed such a piece of satan's workmanship.
      actually i would be so embarrased to think how easy i was so conned.




      when did Messiah say
      *''please believe my servant the drunkard,
      * please believe my servant who rapes his little daughter,
      * please believe my servant as he steals your money with the lie of tithes. ETC ''
      really is this the truth?

      ummmmm.

      I DONT i believe in the NT - of life in the Spirit.

      NOTHING would make me believe a known cheat and liar, with rotten fruits as satan's sidekick and who laughted at his ''pews'' behind their back, who had beedy eyes and ugly jowls.

      http://hwarmstrong.com/index.htm
      why not read all about this god-forsaken man and his god-forsaken ministry that is now defunked.
      MOST ex - armstrongites got biblically '' wised up'' as they did some speedy homework to find out, the law of Moses was for the jew and a New covenant was now in CONTROL called LIFE IN THE SPIRIT.

      NOW THAT IS THE TRUTH.

      hey. watcha do to Father that He would send u such a strong delusion?
      now THAT WOULD BE embarrasing if we knew.
      ummmm.

      witchcraft COMES to mind.
      the rebellion of witchcraft.
      Witchcraft:
      Wanting to be a spiritual "mover and shaker" without submitting to God.
      how it works....
      John 8:44-45
      "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire... When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!"


      ps = please dont tell your silly ''porkie pies'' on me-Jesus never once told people to keep the sabbath.
      When the early church met to decide whether gentile converts should keep the "law of Moses" -Acts 15:5,Peter, the Apostle said that those regulations were an unbearable yoke -Acts 15:10 and were not required for gentiles -verses 28-29.
      end of story........................ zippo

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      • #4
        Please Lucy, make the spankings stop!

        Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
        when does lies succeed and truth lays in the gutter?
        ummmm?

        when does a crafty twisted CON BECOME THE TRUTH?

        ONLY WHEN IT IS BELIEVED BY THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN SENT A STRONG DELUSION TO BELIEVE A LIE.


        A CLOUD A RELIGIOUS STUPIDITY hovers over the land that a people would believe a lie.

        a preacher - un-annointed, incestious, thieving money, a drunkard+ A destroyer of the gospel, AND copies other abominational cults beliefs - is to be believed?

        actually i would be so embarrased to have believed such a piece of satan's workmanship.
        actually i would be so embarrased to think how easy i was so conned.




        when did Messiah say
        *''please believe my servant the drunkard,
        * please believe my servant who rapes his little daughter,
        * please believe my servant as he steals your money with the lie of tithes. ETC ''
        really is this the truth?

        ummmmm.

        I DONT i believe in the NT - of life in the Spirit.

        NOTHING would make me believe a known cheat and liar, with rotten fruits as satan's sidekick and who laughted at his ''pews'' behind their back, who had beedy eyes and ugly jowls.

        http://hwarmstrong.com/index.htm
        why not read all about this god-forsaken man and his god-forsaken ministry that is now defunked.
        MOST ex - armstrongites got biblically '' wised up'' as they did some speedy homework to find out, the law of Moses was for the jew and a New covenant was now in CONTROL called LIFE IN THE SPIRIT.

        NOW THAT IS THE TRUTH.

        hey. watcha do to Father that He would send u such a strong delusion?
        now THAT WOULD BE embarrasing if we knew.
        ummmm.

        witchcraft COMES to mind.
        the rebellion of witchcraft.
        Witchcraft:
        Wanting to be a spiritual "mover and shaker" without submitting to God.
        how it works....
        John 8:44-45
        "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire... When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!"


        ps = please dont tell your silly ''porkie pies'' on me-Jesus never once told people to keep the sabbath.
        When the early church met to decide whether gentile converts should keep the "law of Moses" -Acts 15:5,Peter, the Apostle said that those regulations were an unbearable yoke -Acts 15:10 and were not required for gentiles -verses 28-29.
        end of story........................ zippo
        Hi Lucy, I have told you before and I will tell you again, you have more in common with Herbert Armstrong than I do. I was never a member of his church, I was never baptized into it, so why do you lie about me? Hmmm? You need to re-think a new set of lies that you can say about me, because you and Herbert Armstrong both believe you need to punish the innocent in place of the wicked. Shame on you and him for having such a delusional belief. Come out from under the deception which engulfs you and truly be saved FROM your Transgression of the Law (your sin). How much does Yeshua have to spank you for you to listen to Him...you know He really loves you? ImAHebrew
        Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

        Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
        Abstain from meats offered to idols
        (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
        So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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        • #5
          armstrongism or sabbatherianism same old same old lie

          and it is a totally unbiblically view and cannot ever be said of any true believer.

          twist all you want little man- the truth has a way of exposing lies and ''satan's angels of light'' that DEBUNK grace and Mercy, forgiveness and the wonderfull work of the Cross and the Messiah's work of saving men called Believers.
          motto ''when cornered do the twist''.
          All true believers would know i post the truth and can see thru the sham of ''in part sabbath keeping'' a lie that produces a pervert gospel foundered in U s of A
          ----------------------------------------------

          NOT 1 BELIEVER under the holy Spirit anointing would ever consider being a saturday potatoe and not only that - but whatever the belief of saturday law keeping in the ''modern'' day vogue, is in itself a total lie and if Moses came back to ''judge modern sabbath keepers ''' they would be automatically PUT TO DEATH..... so .....so much for the lie.

          The jew was to do absolutely nothing from 6pm onwards - nothing... otherwise stoning to death.

          so babe = your one dead little chicky.
          and you dont even do this OT law correctly but have a ''modern touch'' of doing your own thing and then having the hide to lie to others that we have to be as deluded as yourself.

          well lies are lies no matter how u view them and all ex -sabbath keepers of the law of Moses have been put wise to their unfortunate errors.

          I dont need to lie about you,
          you are quiet capable of doing this for yourself by inference that one has to keep some laws of moses to receive their true salvation. That is a total lie.

          infact by keeping 1 law Grace has been nullified and you then hate the cross and grace and mercy = so dont please try and con us.
          people are actually rather smart and can discern rather easily once the truth has been revealed, - it is a great pity your pride will not allow you to admit your'e wrong - seems to run in your family alas.... so the next ? would be this...

          what did ya do to Father that He send you into such a strong delusion as to believe a lie.
          If you were the last man of earth i would not believe a thing u say - why? because you believe the lie of satan.

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          • #6
            ??????

            what are you actually giving thanksgiving for?
            a tradition and a habit - but what are you actually thankfull for?

            now that is the real testing question.

            perhaps it should be looked at with honesty - rather as some misty tradition.
            somethimes it is best to give thought to a tradition and then look at your own lives.
            are they abundant in all things or do you actually lack and are desperate to be filled.

            the world of lacking - is a world of vanity.
            ''the Lord is my shepherd - i shall not want.''
            so what do you want?
            what is wrong with your life, is it a dog's breakfast?
            what do you desire.

            see when your'e really honest and have opened eyes - UNLESS your'e in the heart of the Father-alive in Him and abiding IN HIM there is really not too much to be thankfull for.
            the state of the nation and the state of the people is the true reflection of how ''thankfull'' are its people.
            the head man reflects the nations heartbeat. what is lacking in the head man is lacking in the people.
            it is a principle.


            like santa claus - lies and traditions are all part of the Matrix.
            having your throat cut is nothing to be thankfull for.
            the biggest fool is a person who hides from the TRUTH.

            "We put on a sort of holy mask, and say things that we ourselves know were not exactly, true;
            and the brethren look soberly in our faces, and know that we are not saying it exactly as it is, and
            we keep looking soberly at one another, and saying things that we know are not exactly right;
            and the chairman makes explanations that he knows are are not exactly true; but it would hardly
            do to say it exactly as it is, and so the smiling is up the sleeve, and not on the countenance, and
            we go on with it."
            COMMENT by W. W. Prescott
            Last edited by LucySmith; 11-24-2011, 04:02 PM.

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            • #7
              umm an abomination of desolation..........

              would have to be viral religious man made religious empires founded and funded in usa.
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              no life exists there - death is still lord, when death was abolished at the cross.

              THERE IS A COMPARSION - let us seek the IMAGE OF CHRIST.

              WRITTEN by Larry Wilson from Oz

              How would we describe Jesus image?
              What are some of His features?
              Well, I am going to major on one of them that we all know, - HE IS IMMORTAL!
              Blessed be our wonderful Lord and Saviour!
              The word “image” in the Greek, means “likeness”.
              In other words, if you are in Jesus image, you are the same as Him.

              Why then do Christians die? Jesus can’t die!


              the answer is simple – because they still wear the curse of death in the mind to which Adam fell – Romans 5:12
              Yes, after you die there will be an eventual resurrection into an immortal body which will be fashioned after Jesus image – Romans 6:9 ‘death has no dominion over Him”.



              The Holy Spirit impregnated Mary’s womb and the God-child was conceived. He did not have a human DNA, but Spiritual from His Father God. So we had God through Jesus in human form. When He was raised from the dead, the Holy Spirit by the Spirit of Life surged through Him bringing into operation that same Spirit of life, which is in our Spiritual DNA, and He was raised from death which had no further hold on Him. Bless His wonderful Name.



              When you were born-again, the Holy Spirit moved on you and you were reborn and saved by the Blood of Jesus, reconciled to your Father God. When you submitted to the Baptism in the Holy Spirit you were endued with His Power.



              For those who have already entered into the Third Realm, the Holy Spirit is working through your Transfiguration to bring you into the Immortal image of Jesus, and you have forsaken the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
              Your natural DNA is being made inoperative as the Spirit of Life moves through you.



              Romans 8:11 – “IF THE SPIRIT THAT RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD DWELLS IN YOU HE WILL BRING TO LIFE YOUR MORTAL BODY BY THE SPIRIT THAT DWELLS IN YOU”.


              What is it that identifies us with Jesus immortality and victory over death?
              Well it’s not your funeral – it’s the Spirit of Resurrection dwelling in you.



              I want to tell you beloved, that a Christian dies for one reason - that they have not come into the fullness of their Salvation. So there is one more step in our Salvation, which will come for those that die at the resurrection of the dead.



              Romans 8:6 associates death with the carnal mind, which we all got from Adam.



              1 Cor. 15:45 – “The last Adam, Jesus, was made a quickening (that which makes alive) Spirit



              and



              John 5:21 – “For as The Father raiseth up the dead and quickens them, the same way, the Son, Jesus, quickens

              WHOM HE WILL”


              If you don’t sit comfortably with Satan’s physical death, then you can lay hold of this Word and the Holy Spirit will cause you to cry out to the One who quickens at His Supreme Will. The Sons, whom He chooses, will never experience physical death.



              The Lord wants to
              tell you that if you were to LIVE IN THE SPIRIT, (with your Spiritual DNA active), YOU WOULD NOT DIE.
              But, you say, I want to die and go to Heaven to be with Jesus.
              Well we heard that since Sunday school, but is it what really happens?
              Consider that there may be a “chamber of waiting” in Abraham’s care until the resurrection.



              Philippians 2:8 – Jesus had to obey death, and He did it for us. But He is the only one who had to obey it.
              Why would you think that you have to obey it?
              The reason is that we had never been taught or shown.
              Hebrews 2:14 says that the devil has the power of death!
              Why do you want to obey that which the devil has the power of?
              I would rather come into the fullness of Salvation now, than be blindly led through the devil’s realm of death.



              But, if you want to die and have a funeral, then I am not here to talk you out of it. I want to lead those who will hear in the Spirit, to the Tree Of Life.



              We eat at one of the two alternate dining tables:

              1. The Tree of Life, or

              2. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil



              If you eat at tree no.2, you will experience physical death.
              If you eat at tree no.1, you will never experience physical death.



              But there is a mystery.
              To eat at tree no.1, there has to be a death, but it is the death of “sin and death consciousness” inherited in Adam’s DNA. It is a conscious death of your human mind and will, and the death of sin consciousness. Beloved, when Jesus died, He took away the sin of the world and this sin problem on earth WAS FINISHED forever in God’s sight. He offers us salvation, redemption and righteousness as a gift because He so loved the world. The gift comes when we accept that Jesus died for us and accept Him as our Saviour.



              But what happens after salvation is that Christians hang on to “sin consciousness”.
              The very sin that came under the Blood of Jesus.
              They even keep saying “I am a sinner”.
              Hang on – I thought that you were washed from sin?
              If you are confessing this then you need to get truly born-again. Religion has fallen into the trap of keeping sin before their face. Preachers pronounce to Christians that they are sinners week after week. This is what happened with Israel under the law. They kept talking of sin, and God had to eventually send Jesus to finish it. God does not have a sin problem on this earth. Jesus dealt with it on the cross.
              Christian evangelism is rather the “reconciling of men unto God”. It is to show them that Jesus is the way back to our Father God. But religion has made the Gospel message one of condemnation and guilt.
              It is a message of deliverance and liberty through the Blood of our Sweet Saviour, and the way back home.



              Do you know that there is a “Law of Sin and Death”?
              Romans 8:2. Where does this law operate? – at Tree no.2. But the same verse tells us that Jesus has a higher law operating – the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus, which FREES us from the other law.
              Blessed be or Lord. This Spirit of Life beloved is your Spiritual DNA which operates at Tree no.1.



              Therefore, to come under the operation of this Law, one has to come back to the Tree of Life.



              God Bless you if you have a hunger for His word to you. To this point nobody has ever told you that you can come to this place. The Holy Ghost calls you beloved from beyond the Flaming Swords into the Garden. This realm has been “kept’ until this generation.

              Ask The Father by FAITH to seal off your natural eyes and open your Spiritual eyes

              Denounce the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” with its “law of sin and death”

              Ask God to accept you at “The Tree of Life” with its law of “the Spirit of Life in Jesus”. This is the realm of Spiritual ZION. This is where Jesus the King of Glory has entered in. The gates are lifted up for you

              Repent of living as carnal. Our Father is all-accepting. He will gently close your carnal eyes as you fall on your face before Him

              Denounce everything natural about you. Adam’s image, human DNA, human genes, religion, man’s doctrines

              Denounce the realm of physical death. Denounce Satan’s power of it over you

              Surrender EVERYTHING to Jesus. He must be Lord of your life in word and deed

              There is a sacrifice that you must make – give unto God the “sacrifice of your broken spirit and contrite heart”. That is the only sacrifice that pleases Him






              The Sons of God live in immortality as Jesus does. The appointment with death is annulled. We live without the law of sin and death.



              1 Cor. 15:26 calls death the “last enemy’. An enemy is somebody who opposes, robs, and destroys. Satan is fighting against truth. The enemy is Satan, and he uses the law of sin, for the law of death to dominate in the earth.


              The tool which he uses against the Christian is “ignorance”, for Hosea 4:6 says that “my people die for a lack of knowledge”, yet Solomon said that the “getting of Wisdom is the getting of life”.



              It amazes me that most Christians embrace death, because they accept it. But it wasn’t in Eden. It came after Adam rebelled, and it then entered into the human race as punishment for that sin, and its fruit was at “the knowledge of good and evil tree”.



              But beloved, that tree is earmarked for uprooting. Is has an identification mark on it that its days are numbered. It shall no longer offer its fruit to be eaten by the ignorant and deceived.



              Psalm 110 declares – The Rod of strength comes out of Spiritual Zion. In the Day of Jesus Power, David sees a “PEOPLE WILLING”. Who are they? – The Melchisedec priests.


              Physical death has been the enemy against the Life of God since Adam left the Garden in Eden. It has devoured its captives through death ever since. People blinded for thousands of years until Jesus arose with its keys in victory forevermore.



              Well beloved, I am in a small company of people who are now rising up to declare that the day of deception is over. This company of “saviours on Mount Zion” is appearing to reveal the deceiver and identify his weapon and strategy.

              Eat that fruit no longer dear saints. It poisons, it kills, and robs you of God’s intended purpose for His creation – that He might fellowship with the man whom He created in His image.

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              • #8
                allen if u care to read the post above u will find out a hidden truth....

                ps 110 - describing what is going on...
                Psalm 110 declares – The Rod of strength comes out of Spiritual Zion. I
                n the Day of Jesus Power, David sees a “PEOPLE WILLING”.
                Who are they? – The Melchisedec priests.
                the Melchisedec priests.
                come out from the Gospel that abolishes death.
                a people ''willling to be changed'' - so few want to be changed - SO THEY HAVE TO BE MADE WILLING.............
                so who are those MADE WILLING SAINTS?

                THEY ARE THOSE ANCIENT ONES.
                THE LAST WHO SHALL BE FIRST.

                perhaps u will want read about those ancients and gather inside information that the boring sabbath keepers never told you - but - ''that awefull heathen - sinner lawless lucy in your eyes'' - is the pal who gives u ''inside info'' - how funny is this.
                if ye repent i shall give you the needed info - if not - remain UNCHANGED and NULLIFIED.
                THE ''BRIBE'' I SHALL accept is your repentance from the harlot.
                the carrot is your repentance.
                OTHERWISE - STAY IGNORANT LOST ABUSED AND MISUSED BY A HARLOT YOU LOVE SO MUCH.

                Jesus never makes men harlots as you sell your soul for a saturday [of the jew] that ugly natured people converted you too.

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                • #9
                  Contacting Larry Wilson

                  Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                  would have to be viral religious man made religious empires founded and funded in usa.
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                  no life exists there - death is still lord, when death was abolished at the cross.

                  THERE IS A COMPARSION - let us seek the IMAGE OF CHRIST.

                  WRITTEN by Larry Wilson from Oz
                  Hi Lucy, how would one go about to contact Larry Wilson and discuss a few things with him. ImAHebrew
                  Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                  Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                  Abstain from meats offered to idols
                  (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                  So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                  • #10
                    IAH that is the email [archived]

                    THE HIDDEN ONES





                    There is a Company of “Hidden Ones”. They are hidden because they are special. You generally hide treasures, or things special to you. The Lord has His “hidden Ones”, because they are his treasures. Beloved Sons of God, you are a treasure to our God, even The Lord Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of the world. We shall see where they are.



                    Let me say at the start, that if you are reading this and you have never been born again then you can receive Jesus right now. I have often spoken to many confessing religious people over the years and asked this same question, “are you born again?” Invariably the answer comes, “what do you mean?” Jesus died on the cross as the sinless Lamb of God, for the sin of the world so that mankind could be reconciled back to right relationship with God. But each of us has to make this personal, and accept that salvation into our lives by faith. The Grace of God will flow, and if you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that He died for you, and that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Confess this with your mouth and surrender your life to Him. His Spirit will come into you and you will be saved. Bless you.



                    In Job 5:17-23, it says V17, “happy (or blessed) is the man whom God corrects. “Correction” literally means here, “to reason with, or reprove”, therefore, despise not the chastening (or instruction) of the Almighty”. If The Lord has His hand of correction on you beloved, you are blessed. You see, most mainline believers relate blessing as to what temporal things they get from God, or their needs met. He does this too, but we are talking another thing here.

                    In 2 Samuel 7:14, relating to Solomon. Remember that Solomon is the type of the Kingdom day ministry (V12 David’s seed Solomon, building a kingdom house unto God), the prophet Nathan said:

                    · I WILL BE His Father and He shall be My Son. This beloved, is the relationship principal of the Sons of God. Father/Son. Sons know Him as Abba Father, which is where the Spirit and soul combine to call out to Him. This is the principal upon which the following is built. A loving Father/Sons relationship.

                    · V14 IF he commits iniquity (to act perversely). Not sin but the weaknesses of his flesh. You see God wants to perfect us to where our weaknesses are burnt out. The religious keep talking of sin, even though they say that their sins are forgiven. The weaknesses relate to the remnants of the Adamic nature which He will burn out.

                    · V14 I WILL chasten him with the rod of men and with the stripes of the children of men. In other words He will allow us to be exposed to natural dealings. His purpose is to perfect His Sons, not punish them. Remember that this is a blessed thing, although you may not think it in the natural at the time, but keep your heart to the Word. The Lord uses natural circumstances to perfect. This often isolates and hurts. Psalm 38:11, David said “my lovers and friends stand aloof from my sore, and my kinsfolk stand afar off”. So don’t think that you are the only one feeling these things. It happens to all the Sons of God.

                    · V15 BUT My mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it away from Saul. You see His chastening is with His mercy. He does not want to harm, He wants to perfect.

                    · V16 AND his House, Kingdom and Throne will be established forever.



                    Here we have the five-fold declaration of perfecting. Remember that “five” is the Spiritual number of “Grace”. This is all about His Grace in bringing His Sons to perfection.

                    · I AM His sovereignty

                    · IF Our weaknesses

                    · I WILL His correcting

                    · BUT His Grace

                    · AND His accomplishment

                    Beloved understand and accept this operation truth into our lives.



                    Now, back in Job 5:17, the person of God who chastens is The Almighty. “Almighty” here is “Al Shaddai”, His personal name meaning “the all-sufficient one”. Even in correcting, His all sufficiency is there for us after His dealing. This is seen in the following V 18,19:



                    - He makes sore, causes pain, sorrow and grief, - And He Binds up. He Heals,

                    makes strong and mends the broken

                    hearted

                    - He wounds, smites, strikes - And He makes whole, and heals



                    V19 says He will deliver you in six troubles and in seven no evil will touch you.



                    THE 6/7 HIS DELIVERANCE

                    Famine, hunger Redeem from death

                    War From the power of the sword

                    The scourge of the tongue Hidden from

                    Destruction No fear

                    Destruction and famine Laugh at it

                    Beasts of the field No fear

                    Evil, bad Will not touch you



                    Now in V21 we have the revelation of the “HIDDEN ONES”. Here in Job we are told that we will be HIDDEN from the scourge of the words of man. I guess we have all encountered that at some time, but in this dealing of perfection, He is HIDING us from this. The words of the worldly man or religious man will not find us. Words are often sent to destroy, but our Lord has us HIDDEN.

                    We find this in Zion in Psalm 83:2,3 – “His enemies make a tumult, and those that hate Him lift up their head”. V3 “they take crafty counsel against His people, and consult against His “HIDDEN ONES”.

                    Beloved, Revelation 12 says that satan is waiting to devour the Manchild Company when it is born.





                    Psalm 83:

                    V4 - they say let us cut them off.

                    V5 - they consult together in agreement



                    The enemy will try to use the mouths of enemies to destroy us, but the Lord has a response born out of Zion. The prophet in Zion here gave us a hiding place:



                    V9 - The Lord will “do unto them”

                    V13 - they will be as stubble

                    V15 - they will be persecuted and fear

                    V16 - they will be put to shame that they may seek the Lord

                    V17 - they will be confounded and troubled, put to shame and perish



                    AND the purpose will be V18, “That men may know whose Name alone is JEHOVAH is the Most High over all the earth.

                    This is speaking of His Kingdom Day when His Sons will be unleashed on this earth to reveal Him as King of Kings and Lord of Lords to subdue all things unto Him.



                    Beloved Sons of God, be not afraid for we are the “HIDDEN ONES” from the counsel, words and schemes of the enemy. Be strong in our God. Stand in the response birthed in Zion for us. The Lord will accomplish His purposes against which the enemy is defeated before he even lays his schemes against us.



                    To any of those who know you have schemed against the Sons of God and laid plots from your ungodly counsel, I say to repent whilst you can. The Bible says in Psalm 105:15 to “touch not His anointed and do My prophets no harm”. You will be confounded and troubled and put to shame, for you fight against the Almighty. It is a fearful thing to fall into the Hand of the Living God.

                    His Mercy is there for you. If you do not see or understand the Truth of the Manchild of God, do not fight against it in your ignorance, and do not come against His Elect, for you will come under the words of Psalm 83.



                    To my brothers and sisters in the womb with me, I encourage you. Trust in the Lord. Remember that “many are the afflictions of the Righteous, but He delivers out of them all”.

                    I call on you the Blessing out of Zion.













                    ALL GLORY TO JESUS



                    LARRY WILSON



                    February 2004



                    [email protected]
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                    archived 2004

                    BTW i did not receive your ''sorry Lucy'' when u found there was 2 - one walking in the spirit of Life - the other from usa profiteering group of same old same old time religion.... sigh
                    however i was at fault for i forgot to mention this fact.
                    note i did not ''stab myself in the foot'' as you suggested.



                    IAH
                    i do believe you are not meant to find larry.
                    why?
                    after all you did not believe the ex armstrongite and his findings and more or less called him a liar after all his thousands of hours humbling himself to find out the real truth for himself you rubbished him and he left LAmmi. He did seem such a nice style of chap and had put such a good effort seeking the real honest truth for himself.

                    so- why would u believe Larry? you dont believe me so why would u believe Larry?
                    see IAH u havent got these perfecting signs.
                    Here we have the five-fold declaration of perfecting. Remember that “five” is the Spiritual number of “Grace”. This is all about His Grace in bringing His Sons to perfection.

                    · I AM His sovereignty

                    · IF Our weaknesses

                    · I WILL His correcting

                    · BUT His Grace

                    · AND His accomplishment

                    Beloved understand and accept this operation truth into our lives.


                    your'e into OT works that simply nullify His Grace.
                    Larry is ''HIDDEN'' from you BUT not from me - wow what a witness. actually i do feel rather sorry for u. You remind me of Lillith of Armageddon fame - the man woman not sure witch [deliberate misspell ] he /she was - even she didnt know - but always there with a rebuke but still read the posts.
                    I wonder if your spiritual man is trying to arise but your carnal religious mind blocks his arising.
                    ummm. why not leave your religion?

                    so what did ya do on the Father - that He gives u such a strong delusion?

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                    • #11
                      "Sorry Lucy"

                      Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                      BTW i did not receive your ''sorry Lucy'' when u found there was 2 - one walking in the spirit of Life - the other from usa profiteering group of same old same old time religion.... sigh
                      however i was at fault for i forgot to mention this fact.
                      note i did not ''stab myself in the foot'' as you suggested.

                      IAH
                      i do believe you are not meant to find larry.
                      why?
                      after all you did not believe the ex armstrongite and his findings and more or less called him a liar after all his thousands of hours humbling himself to find out the real truth for himself you rubbished him and he left LAmmi. He did seem such a nice style of chap and had put such a good effort seeking the real honest truth for himself.

                      so- why would u believe Larry? you dont believe me so why would u believe Larry?
                      see IAH u havent got these perfecting signs.
                      Here we have the five-fold declaration of perfecting. Remember that “five” is the Spiritual number of “Grace”. This is all about His Grace in bringing His Sons to perfection.

                      · I AM His sovereignty

                      · IF Our weaknesses

                      · I WILL His correcting

                      · BUT His Grace

                      · AND His accomplishment

                      Beloved understand and accept this operation truth into our lives.


                      your'e into OT works that simply nullify His Grace.
                      Larry is ''HIDDEN'' from you BUT not from me - wow what a witness. actually i do feel rather sorry for u. You remind me of Lillith of Armageddon fame - the man woman not sure witch [deliberate misspell ] he /she was - even she didnt know - but always there with a rebuke but still read the posts.
                      I wonder if your spiritual man is trying to arise but your carnal religious mind blocks his arising.
                      ummm. why not leave your religion?

                      so what did ya do on the Father - that He gives u such a strong delusion?
                      Sorry Lucy, when I read much of what the USA Larry Wilson believes I was convinced he was your friend (all except about the Sabbath), and that is why I made the mistake of thinking you were "shooting" yourself in the foot. Concerning Michael Maynard, I did nothing more to him than what you do to just about every person you talk with on the internet (and I more than willing for you to give me an example of someone you have "not rubbished.") That being said, I did find something that Larry Wilson wrote (Prophecy No 9) very interesting, and that it intrigued me. Does that mean I believe everything Larry writes, no, because he has the same "pew peoples" belief about punishing the innocent in place of the wicked as you and other "substitutionalist" have. And you know, Larry might be one that would realize how abominable that doctrine is, you just never know, and this is another reason I would like to speak with him. If you want to protect him and keep him from speaking with me, that is your choice, not mine. ImAHebrew
                      Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                      Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                      Abstain from meats offered to idols
                      (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                      So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                      • #12
                        you really do excel IAH

                        in twisting.
                        it is a ''art form'' .
                        I posted his edification exactly as i found it in 2004 - same email same name.

                        ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------btw
                        that man who had been raised up in a false belief spent hours and hours humbling himself fasting and praying to receive the truth that all armstrong AND HIS BELIEFS were wrong- his new information clashed with yours - you gave him heaps +
                        twisted his study and revelation out of shape when it was clear as a bell HE WAS RIGHT ACCORDING TO THE NT ETC.

                        you do the same to me - it is if your'e blinded.
                        The false message is stamped into you and u beieve a lie.

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                        all you got is a man made up religion.
                        whatever you belief smells of works.
                        OT was a working system the NT is a believing system
                        that is so simple to understand BUT NO-you argue.

                        point After POINT is shown too you, but ''NO, Mr Agrue Person - is right in his own eyes only.

                        see IAH - God does not have unbelievers living next door to Himself. So again i ask ''what did ya do on Father that He sends u a strong delusion?

                        i would gladly believe your edification IF IT WAS RIGHT.
                        IT IS WONDERFULL to match spirit with spirit - but not when a religion such as yours cannot reproduce anyone as the Image of Christ.
                        that is what YOU CANNOT SEE.
                        PEOPLE HAVE BELIEVED LIKE YOU DO fora 100years or so - NONE are christlike. NOT 1

                        the proof is in the teaching - wrong teaching false opinions - makes dead people even deader.
                        your belief is the same as the mormons
                        your belief is the same as the amish
                        your belief is the same as the RCs ETC
                        none produce the Saviour's nature in ministry nor in deed.
                        each 1 of these man made monsters believe ''we ARE HIS TRUE CHURCH'' with scriptures to ''prove'' they are right.
                        all churches have their version of ''the sciptures'' and their ''doctrine'' backed up by their ''scriptures''.
                        each1 can ''prove'' they are right with their ''verses'' to prove their point.
                        yet ALL HAVE FAILED TO REPRODUCE CHRIST IN ANYONE - these people remain exactly the same as the world.


                        THE LORD IS BRINGING AN END to such unholy nonsense.
                        IT IS HE, WHO BUILDS HIS CHURCH - HE SAID - IT IS HE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS WORKMANSHIP.
                        anything outside of this true - is a man made clone.
                        what u see is a church religion, build by man that is a harlot.
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                        “Understand that I am building you, My Faithful Ones. I am building My Temple.

                        I chose you because you were the finest and strongest ones as the cedars of Lebanon.

                        These were not visible qualities but the hidden values of your heart as you hungered and thirsted after Me, and I saw them.

                        Whilst the other sons of Jesse were lined up, I had already chosen your David heart. All the circumstances which have happened in your lives have been the process of My building. You have felt the effect of the carpenter’s tools on your life as I have shaped and fitted you according to My plan for My Temple.

                        I would have you know that as at creation, I stand and look and behold, I see that it is good.
                        My ways are perfect and beyond human understanding yet you My Sons understand them.
                        I have overlaid you with the Gold of My Divine Nature and you are My Glorious creation.
                        The world does not yet see you because I have not yet revealed you.
                        I have built My Temple on the highest mountain of Spiritual realms and the day is nigh dawning when you will appear as saviours on the Mountain of Zion. You ask how long. It seems to you that the time has been long. Some of you have even wondered about your calling. Let My Word assure your hearts and build confidence in you.
                        I am about to move My presence from David’s Tabernacle to Solomon’s Temple.
                        You are that Temple made by My Spirit. All the things that you have endured, the hurts, the pains, the rejections, the isolation, the financial losses, the fears, the isolation, the loss of relationships have all been for your good. My plans were for your good and not your evil, to give you a future and a hope.
                        I watch the ways of the world and the forces of evil on the earth. I will not allow these to continue. I must intervene and provide again for mankind, this time from My Mercy in the Holy Place. This time it will not be by My physical appearing, but by My presence in you My Elect.
                        See things as I see them.
                        Not by faith but by the Spirit of Glory as I prepare to birth My Kingdom on the earth.
                        You are My Priests of a higher Spiritual realm for you hold in your whole being the Wisdom by which I created the heavens and the earth. You will never die. I have called you like I did Enoch and Elijah, but left you on the earth because you are the generation called. Rejoice in your calling. As I behold you and see that it is good, so behold Me and offer the sacrifice of praise which fills My Temple and you will see My Glory fill the Temple.
                        The church will see Me appear in My clouds of Glory in you.
                        Your calling has no parallel, for it is greater than Moses as you have My resurrection and victory to stand upon. People will look upon your face and ask for what you have. You are a fully formed child in the womb, and the day of your appearing is near. The blessings will follow your birth, they will not precede it. I know your needs and I will pour My Blessings upon you. Do not concern yourselves with this. Yet you say, I have needs now. You are not alone, you are a company of My chosen. Comfort one another until I call you from the womb and you will not remember the days of your mourning.
                        Soon it shall be said again, “the Lord is in His Holy Temple”.





                        ALL GLORY TO JESUS



                        LARRY WILSON



                        APRIL 2004



                        [email protected]om

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                        • #13
                          Clearing up a few things.

                          Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                          that man who had been raised up in a false belief spent hours and hours humbling himself fasting and praying to receive the truth that all armstrong AND HIS BELIEFS were wrong- his new information clashed with yours - you gave him heaps +
                          twisted his study and revelation out of shape when it was clear as a bell HE WAS RIGHT ACCORDING TO THE NT ETC.

                          you do the same to me - it is if your'e blinded.
                          The false message is stamped into you and u beieve a lie.

                          -----------------------------------------------------------------
                          all you got is a man made up religion.

                          point After POINT is shown too you, but ''NO, Mr Agrue Person - is right in his own eyes only.

                          i would gladly believe your edification IF IT WAS RIGHT.
                          IT IS WONDERFULL to match spirit with spirit - but not when a religion such as yours cannot reproduce anyone as the Image of Christ.
                          Hi Lucy, Please try to not get too frustrated with me. I think that if you would have a better grasp of how different my beliefs were from traditional Christianity, you wouldn't compare me to them the way you do. Even Mr. Armstrong's foundational belief concerning salvation was much like how you and traditional Christianity believe...having the Innocent and Righteous One die in your stead to pay the penalty of your sin.

                          Now, where you all start to differ a little is in what everyone does after accepting such a foolish and delusional belief. Mr. Armstrong, after accepting this delusional doctrine of "substitutionalism," felt someone needed to start following what you call "in part" keeping of the Law. Then you have most of traditional Christianity, along with you, who feel very little "in part" keeping of the Law needs to be done. Now, there are some who think it is very important to do and keep some works like baptizing infants, drinking a little wine and eating a little wafer on an occasional Sunday, and even not going to doctors, etc." Oh, but I know they would correct me here, those works are just "means of Grace," or an "expression of their strong faith," and not really a WORK of the Law. When one starts down the path of confusion, it's hard to veer off it, but it is possible, and I think more and more will do it.

                          Concerning Michael D. Maynard, I do sympathize with him, for I know exactly the position he was in and is in now. He also, as with you and traditional Christianity, has swallowed that delusional doctrine of "substitutionalism," and I know it appears to taste so sweet and good, but in the end, it causes much vomiting.

                          Finally, Spirits matching and blending together is very wonderful indeed, and I think if Messiah wants to gather together those whom He is calling, they will have the same Spirit. They will have a Spirit that reproduces the Image of Messiah, and they will have a Spirit that will allow them to heal the sick, give sight to the blind, give hearing to the deaf, let the lame start to walk, turn false doctrines into rubbish, and even raise the dead. Do we have that SAME Spirit Lucy...Can you do those things? ImAHebrew

                          P.S. Larry Wilson's email is no longer a valid address.
                          Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                          Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                          Abstain from meats offered to idols
                          (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                          So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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                          • #14
                            ummm well maybe u could go someplace

                            to the invalid email address site if there is such a place -i am not a puter whiz so dont know of these things...
                            it is from archives in 2004.
                            -------------------------------------------------------
                            here is another
                            .
                            Psalm 114:2



                            From when Israel left Egypt, it was a journey to the Promised Land, the place of rest.
                            A number of them didn’t make it, but died in their rebellion, non belief, and disobedience including Moses. -[IAH - this is the major hurdle for religion - they cannot become THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH - yes they can say the words but when the chips are down the ''arm of flesh'' wins -UNLESS, ABBA has made a group of people WILLING TO BE CHANGED - by giving them a ''DIFFERENT SPIRIT'' - THESE PEOPLE are his overcomers who reap the rewards - a new creation He has made - not man nor a religious creed]

                            Verse 2 tells us that during this time the Lord set up an order:

                            Israel was his dominion.
                            Judah was His Sanctuary.
                            The Sanctuary was where the Lord entered when He came into the earthly realm.
                            Note that whilst Judah was part of Israel they were a special tribe. Ps.78:68 “He chose the tribe of Judah, the Mount of Zion which He loved, v69, and He built His Sanctuary like high places, like the earth which He established forever”.
                            The earth will never be destroyed, only its rudiments. It shall be restored as the Garden of Eden, and become His Sanctuary, but this is another teaching.


                            Now Israel is a type of the 2000 year church day which is His dominion on the earth. It represents Him to the world. The true church is His rule, His Word to the nations of the world. Judah is a type of the Sons of God, a tribe within the church who are His Sanctuary.



                            Only Once & Only Once did He ever forsake His Glory to come and stand on the earth in His dealings with earth and man.
                            He did this according to Phil.2. when He came to die for the sin of the world. (the “kenosis emptying”).
                            He will never again divest Himself of His Glory to come to the earthly realm as it is now. Therefore any visitation to this planet must not be at the expense of his personal Glory.
                            Now, this is where Judah/the Sons come in.
                            His Sons become His Sanctuary; therefore He can fill them with His Glory (His Divine Nature), and visit the earth through them and not personally touch the fallen earthly realm.
                            You see Jesus is exalted above the earthly realm which is temporarily fallen, and He will not, and cannot enter it yet. The only place that He can appear is in The Most holy place as He did in Moses tabernacle (Ps. 78:69 calls it the Sanctuary).



                            His Elect become His Sanctuary as the Tribe of Judah (lit. “praise”).
                            They are the Manchild Company of Rev.12 who has been changed into the image of His Divine Nature, and therefore He can appear in them with His Glory in the earth.
                            This is what is to happen on the Day of The Lord. He cannot come as a man and walk on the earth, as no mortal man can look on Him and live.
                            If Jesus were to return to the lower earthly realm in physical form the Adamic humanity would die. However He can appear in His Sanctuary, the Sons of God, in whom His Light will shine as it did in Moses. The Sons of God are the seed of their father David, descendants of the Tribe of Judah. He can only abide in this Sanctuary. The Sons of God take on the King/Priest Melchisedec ministry as Kings and priests unto their God.



                            His Glory will not kill His Sons as they will have been made perfect.
                            Their Adamic nature will be burnt out of them. They will have no spot or blemish and possess Jesus immortal Divine Nature.

                            There is a company of people on this earth in 2003 who have heard the call to the Feast of Tabernacles, are in the process of being changed from human to Divine, and who will bear His Glory in the 1000 year Kingdom Day on this earth. They are His Sanctuary, which He has been making ready.

                            They will not be found in the religious system.
                            They are chosen as the Tribe of Judah. They are in the womb of their mother the church who was impregnated by The Holy Ghost, and this child within her was formed.
                            It is “the many membered company of the Sons of God”.
                            They take on identity with Melchisedec.
                            See Hebrews7:3 “without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abides a priest continually”.


                            In Heb.6:20, Jesus Himself is a high priest forever after the order of Melchisedec.



                            As in Moses, David and Solomon, the Sanctuary/Temple had to be made ready before the ark of His Presence could be placed within. Solomon’s Temple is the type of the Sons of God which Jesus is building for His own Name’s sake.





                            ALL GLORY TO JESUS







                            LARRY WILSON



                            December 2003



                            [email protected]
                            Messiah is raising up His church - on His terms - bearing His beliefs.
                            Miracles happen to all Overcomer/Believers as they mature in Christ.
                            Amazing things happen in their lives but there is a condition of obedience - faith - trust - NO unbelief doubting nor excuses seem accpetable to growth.

                            rome was not build in a day, and yes there is a progressive walk into the land of Miracles - some so small and some so huge they become like stepping stones that makes faith grow.


                            I dont listen to religious man, they are so flawed gross and grubby in so many ways - none walk as Messiah - BUT I DO LISTEN TO MY SAVIOUR WHO HAS MY VERY BEST INTERESTS AT HEART - AS I DO -HIS.
                            some men do edify and some do walk in an upright manner.
                            some are wonderfull Fathers and guides to their family.
                            most are not.
                            yes, they talk pretty but walk ugly.

                            i am not into american creeds and neither is the Saviour - IT IS HIS CHURCH HE ALONE REMOVES OUR SPOTS WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP AND HIS LIVING TEMPLE - NO MAN'S religious HANDS TOUCHES HIS PEOPLE.
                            YOU live in USA so are used to abnormal religious creeds - but - other people live in different nations where thankfully we are NOT subjected to viral religious practices too often.
                            yes we do hear of them but thankfully not too many participate.

                            BTW i do love edification from a Godly man - there seems so few - but that's ok Elijah was never joined to the 7000 witnesses of the Lord, but the 7000 were still there.
                            IT SEEMS MESSIAH IS NOT AN ENTERTAINER but LOVES TO TEACH IN SECRET those who are His.
                            He seems very upfront and very personal and when the tar hits the road, IT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY DOCTRINE [= as such] but A HEART RELATIONSHIP.

                            THE HEART not the doctrine is the all important factor.
                            Jesse had all those sons, each one under the law of Moses to the jew - yet DAVID had the heart not the others.


                            i [thru grace alone] have been given the heart to change I am made willing.
                            i believe HIM and have vital proof HE CHANGES ME.
                            THAT IS ALL I NEED - to see spots disappearing, habits removed, flaws stopped.
                            I HAVE HIS FRUIT growing in me - so fully intend to keep on THIS TRACK - all others dont work - its all talk and lives of sin appearing that can be described as mere ''cesspools''.
                            I dont wish to be a cesspool person.
                            I dont want stand there one day ashamed of my life.
                            I dont want sin in me I hate it
                            I dont want to disobey anything that Messiah wants and wills over my life
                            I AM PUTTY IN HIS HANDS and He knows it.

                            NO IAH you believe your doctrines I WILL STAY WITH my divine relationship.
                            I know I win, GRACE is everpresent and i have NO INTENTION TO NULLIFY his throne by keeping to a system for the jews that Father had DESTROYED IN 70 AD - Titus said '' i have never seen a nation so DESERTED by their god''

                            those who are ignorant and keep inparts the law to the jew - live in the DESTROYED realm.
                            the shadow land and failed to pass into THE NEW CREATIONAL REALM of ''life in the Spirit''
                            Jesus washed our sins away
                            Jesus said '' go and sin no more''
                            Jesus has a WASHED CHURCH OF SAINTS who longer find sin attractive.
                            they have learnt the lesson SIN DOES NOT PAY. THEY DONT WANT TO DO ''THE TIME FOR THEIR CRIME'' BUT TO BE SET FREE.
                            Messiah shows them ''the escape route''. amen.

                            now - do you honestly think IAH - i would agree to keeping some laws to the jews, when the whole kit and caboodle died in 70AD - as it was NO longer necessary the shadow had passed and Liberty and freedom had come to all those jews held captive by the law of Moses.

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                            • #15
                              A cut heart and proper doctrine go hand in hand.

                              Originally posted by LucySmith View Post
                              to the invalid email address site if there is such a place -i am not a puter whiz so dont know of these things...
                              it is from archives in 2004.

                              THE HEART not the doctrine is the all important factor.
                              Jesse had all those sons, each one under the law of Moses to the jew - yet DAVID had the heart not the others.

                              now - do you honestly think IAH - i would agree to keeping some laws to the jews, when the whole kit and caboodle died in 70AD - as it was NO longer necessary the shadow had passed and Liberty and freedom had come to all those jews held captive by the law of Moses.
                              Hi Lucy, being "cut to the heart," and having proper "doctrine" go hand in hand:

                              Act 2:37-44 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? (38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. (40) And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. (41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. (42) And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. (43) And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. (44) And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

                              These converts were "pricked" or cut to the heart about how they helped to murder the Righteous and Innocent One, and upon HEARING that WORD, they REPENTED, received the Gospel, and were baptized. They then CONTINUED IN the Apostles DOCTRINE (teachings). Lucy, you act as IF there are no offical teachings or DOCTRINE within the Church of Elohim, and that ALL you have to do is follow the inclinations of your heart, and this is absolutely FALSE. There were doctrines established by the Church and no other doctrines were to be followed (1 Tim 1:3). The doctrines of the Church and faith in the Word go hand in hand (1 Tim 4:6), but it takes the HEARING of the WORD to establish that FAITH:

                              Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of Elohim.

                              And within Elohim's Word is His Law which He gave to Moses, and the Apostle Paul says that Law is GOOD, IF you use it LAWFULLY:

                              1Ti 1:8-10 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; (9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to SOUND DOCTRINE;

                              Now Lucy, do you ever use the Law, LAWFULLY? Don't you distain the Law, and have nothing to do with the SOUND DOCTRINE which comes forth FROM the Law, Elohim's WORD? Yeshua suffered, died, was buried, and resurrected on the 3rd day all according to what was WRITTEN in the Law of Moses, and when one has their MIND and HEART OPENED to what was WRITTEN, repentance and believing in sound doctrine follows. But those who are led into confusion believe the unsound doctrine of "substitutionalism." The Scriptures which teach Elohim's WILL, clearly state it is an abomination to punish the Innocent and Righteous in the place of the wicked, yet so many are deceived into believing Elohim needs Innocent Blood shed just so that He can forgive the wicked. Lucy, come out from under that delusion, and start to believe in SOUND DOCTRINE. ImAHebrew

                              P.S. The email address for Larry Wilson ([email protected]) is the same for all the quotes you use for him and this email address is invalid. Do you think maybe he has died? Also, David did have the heart to fully FOLLOW what Elohim commanded him, except in the case of Uriah the Hittite:

                              1Ki 15:5 Because David did that which was right in the eyes of Yahweh, and turned not aside from any thing that He commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.

                              Lucy, another question, do you have a heart like David's?
                              Col 2:16 & 17 Teaches us that no "man" is to determine what we eat or drink, or how the Sabbath, Holy Days, and New Moon should be observed, instead, The Body of Messiah IS to determine those things, just like what happened in Acts 15.

                              Now, The Body of Messiah determined that since Moses is READ every Sabbath in the Synagogues (Acts 15:21), the Gentiles would be able to HEAR (Luke 16:31, John 5:46-47), and then do those things to farewell (Acts 15:29). Those FOUR necessary commands that The Body of Messiah determined for the Gentiles, were FROM the Law of Moses.
                              Abstain from meats offered to idols
                              (Exo 34:15), abstain from blood (Lev 17:14), abstain from things strangled (Deu 12:23), and abstain from fornication (Lev 19:29).
                              So do not let anyone deceive you into believing falsely about the Law of Moses.

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