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**LucySmith** · 11-12-2011, 05:29 PM

defeating our enemies within - receiving the prize.

Messiah came to REDEEM mankind.

roms 8 v 3
''For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man'',

the law of Moses was POWERLESS, hence God sent His own Son......an offering....

Acts 13:39
Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

Acts 13:39 Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses.

Hebrews 7:18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

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you see the truth is FATHER WANTS ''WRESTLING PARTNERS'' - HE LOVES THEM,
WHY? because they become His sons, like Messiah therefore these believers are ''STRONG IN THE LORD AND IN THE POWER OF HIS MIGHT''.

The left hand has very negative forces IN it. The 'negatives'' are there to OVERCOME.

can i say - how infantile church system is, not to understand HOW TO move INTO PERFECTION - meaning, gaining today, the divine maturity to be able to say NO to the devil, NO to the fleshly wants, and NO to world's belief and values.

some, try to keep parts of the law of moses thinking somehow they are ''acceptable'' and still have within, raging lusts, raging world values and raging sin that cannot stop saying NO to the devil.

they try can ''convert'' a believer into A RAGING SINNER like themselves as per the heads of their unholy faulty creeds.
''when you sit under dogs you get up with flees.'

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The New creation under NEW MANAGEMENT, enters a retraining programmed TO SAY NO, and mean it.
THIS MAKES THE DEVIL FLEE.
no - IS RESISTING
no - is freedom
no - is loving Messiah and doing what He did.

There is a Positive work going on behind the scenes - believers are turning their negatives into positives and it isnt by ''positive thinking'' however there is a truth there - the Holy Spirit brings His judgments upon all a believer's negatives so change /transform/redeem/born again realities- into a Believe,r His way On His terms and none of this transformation work is ever thru the in part keeping of the law of moses - if it was the whole of Israel would have been saved.

roms. 10 v 1
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship''

Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,

Colossians 2:17
''These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ''.

Hebrews 7:11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

here is what we all need to comprehend to the uttermost....
Hebrews 7:19
(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.''

heb 10 v 4.
''because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins''.

Hebrews 9:12
He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.

Hebrews 9:13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.

Messiah took up His own innocent blood - only this blood obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION FOR an eternal people.

by Following the Saviour advice - leads His people into perfection called also ''eternal redemption''.
do not get conned into believing those'' religious library reader commentators'' who will say ''you must keep parts of the law of moses to be saved''.
here is the verse all need to understand......

Hebrews 10:1
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves.
For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.

beware of inpart lawkeepers changing the Gospel.

Hebrews 10:11
Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins

.Hebrews 9:14
How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

see this please.... the ''acts that lead to death''.
carnal mind is death - the acts of our carnalmindness leads to death.

the carnal-mind is intimidated by satan,
* it is double minded,
* a wavering mind,
* a mind that a person does not really own for themselves as it is an UNSOUND MIND when satan pulls the strings, by evil suggestions.
this is the ''center of death''.
this is the place where most men are murdered - by the murderer - from-the- beginning.

therefore a believer is matured and perfected [ not by inpart law keeping] but by attaining to A SOUND MIND.

NOW it is rather interesting to note that Herbert Armstrong - the inpart law keeper himself and false teacher to millions, was called a ''sociopath'' I dont thik this is a person of ''sound mind''.

Page not found - Exit & Support Network

http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/artcls/socio.htm

why believe an unsound mind?

**LucySmith** · 11-12-2011, 10:44 PM

MOST PEOPLE who are churchy religious are not THE LORD'S OVERCOMERS....

therefore they die in sin, rather than ''die to sin''.
there is such a difference - the realm of the Matrix verses the realm of Life divine.
or
The realm of religious dolts verses the realm of divine superheros.

now a ''religious dolt'' is the follower of a creed, that contains a small truth [as a kernal] but is surrounded by a large amount of miscomprehension and teachings of a man made'' literary commentators''' who abound by their hundreds. THE UN-ORDAINED.

The believer has NO time for religious dolts as the believers are given the same mind as Christ plus- a progressive training programme
The un-ordained can never reproduce christlikeness with anyone - for they have none themselves.

Christ likeness is not some wimpy weak, slave who sits on the fence and accpets any crummy religious concepts and not say 'wrong'' - infact the Prophets of the lawkeepers of moses were killed for telling the religious off in no uncertain terms.
In the NT Paul had the courage to call THEM dogs.
a most unsavoury term.

these type of religious people, should be ordered to dress as ''the grim reaper'' for they are ''workers of iniquity and slaves to wickedness and unrighteous teachers.
so, ????
was the lnpart law keeper Armstrong - a worker of iniquity?

well believe nothing....stay clean ... dont be murdered by evil... go into reject mode and delete.

dont allow ''their foxy cunning'' to derail you by adding that ''you have to add the law of moses [but not all of it] to the finished work of the cross. DONT BACK STAB THE SAVIOUR'S SACRIFICE AND BE A JUDAS.

please ''see'' the contrast of these 2 dispensations.

Hebrews 7:27
Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people.

He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.

the job completed
the work completed'
a new covenant introduced birthing out a new creature in the same likeness as the Saviour

Leviticus 9:7 Moses said to Aaron, "Come to the altar and sacrifice your sin offering and your burnt offering and make atonement for yourself and the people; sacrifice the offering that is for the people and make atonement for them, as the LORD has commanded."
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Leviticus 16:11 "Aaron shall bring the bull for his own sin offering to make atonement for himself and his household, and he is to slaughter the bull for his own sin offering.
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Leviticus 16:15 "He shall then slaughter the goat for the sin offering for the people and take its blood behind the curtain and do with it as he did with the bull's blood: He shall sprinkle it on the atonement cover and in front of it.
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Ezekiel 43:19 You are to give a young bull as a sin offering to the priests, who are Levites, of the family of Zadok, who come near to minister before me, declares the Sovereign LORD.
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Ephesians 5:2 and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
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Hebrews 5:1 Every high priest is selected from among men and is appointed to represent them in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins.
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Hebrews 5:3 This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people.
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Hebrews 8:4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law.
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Hebrews 9:12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.
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Hebrews 9:14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

when we follow Messiah - we are cleansed from acts that lead to death.

we have to understand the 2 hands of Father... a positive a negative a ying and a yang,
when we do we find it far easier to become HIS GLORIOUS OVERCOMERS - and come to understand the negatives that in the kingdoms way is ''our beloved enemy''.

?????????? now that is strange.

however a believer has this hope.

Jesus said,

"YOU have not chosen me, but I have chosen you and ordained you, that you should go and bring forth fruit that shall remain."

Apostle Peter tells us,
"We, receiving the ultimate fulfillment of your faith even the salvation of your souls, that the Prophets have searched and looked into diligently, who prophesied of the GRACE that should come unto you, searching to discover the time the Spirit of Christ that was in them did signify, when they testified before hand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow…..
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind and be sober, and hope perfectly for the Grace that is to be brought unto you, at the revealing of Jesus Christ in you.
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the Everlasting Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ. Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though you know them, and be established in THE PRESENT TRUTH."

yes sir - to be established in the ''present truth'' and the training of this ''present truth'' is to graduate in the Christlike ability to overcome the BIG 3 = flesh world devil.
do not listen to those 'LIBRARY BIBLE READERS'' = those literary book commentators - advising on their own opinions,
get the true Teacher - ask to receive so that it is not possible to be ''the deceived''.

PLEASE note this comment i saw once that said...
'' Religious people were in so childish a condition they relied upon an ''outward form'' but those who were maturing were independant from the ''outward form of godliness''.

if your partake of the law of moses, you will die for the law of sin and death was never removed from your soul - you wished to add to the sacrifice when it was never needed.
Jesus fulfilled all the requirements NO man could do - so the present truth is to attain to ''life in the spirit'' where there is NOW no condemnation.
you see the ''darkness'' of the law, cannot ever quicken to life , they sat in darkness and died.
LIGHT OVERTAKES ALL DARKNESS and darkness is swallowed up by the light.
death is darkness
light is life.
we are to walk in the revelation of life that is how all darkness [death] is removed.

i guess we could liken this to a primitive tribe of headhunters seeing an electic light bulb working for the first time. THEY HAD NEVER SEEN LIGHT before and only the Holy Spirit can take a man out from death and bring him into life - that is the true meaning;

LIFE IS UNDERSTANDING HOW TO RESIST DEATH. Messiah knew so do His disciples. DONT LETS US ARGUE -IF YOU DONT KNOW, go find out. prove me wrong.

Jesus did not allow the religious men to influence Him nor His teaching - why should a disciple?
life is victorious living over and above the curse of a fallen world and fallen natures.
life is not spending hours in idle chatter, but discovering how to defeat and war against the enemy.
pulling down strongholds, twarting the effects of evil, discovering the mind of Father and his plans for our destiny.
discovering how to be a successfull warrior and repel the attacks of intimidation and be a success.
how to notice - the tactics of the enemy and how to overrule his intimidations.
how to stand, in our evil day as a wall of His righteousness, so when the enemy comes at us, we stand, and then the evil hits the wall and FALLS BACK UPON THE ENEMY.... and he flees.
we have to practice ''war tactics'' in the divine war room and war agaist territorial spirits, and bind them as we travel different places.
the blood of the lamb has to be applied to our homes and every day thinngs in our lives as a covering that is acceptable in our everyday lives.
''THEY OVERCAME BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB'' stuff.
we are to have the winners testimony.
not one of a spiritual hospital case that needs continual nursing. That is for inpart law keepers as they have not learnt the basics of faith and grace. infact they have nullified Grace according to the NT,
do u wish to nullify grace?
well - exit from the inpart lawkeeping tactics of the devil
if ye wish His grace to abound in your life - you will not keep any parts of the law of moses - none zilch-zippo...

ps added
70ad was the ''used by date''.

**LucySmith** · 11-13-2011, 02:56 AM

learn to muzzle..........................correctly by being freed from Giants.....

you need to learn how to MUZZLE evil
you need to learn how to MUZZLE your own mind so it becomes 'sound'.
you need to learn how to MUZZLE the wrong gospel and the demon [that unclean lying spirit] needs to be MUZZLED.

it is war!!!!

the holy Spirit needs complete control over us so we can become FREE.

Demons are comfortable in churches and in people.

Jesus preached = Jesus delivered.
a Believer learns this - doing what the Master did.
Jesus never put up with any ''giants'' .

BTW - one thing never done in the OT was ' to cast out demons'.

Jesus casts out spirits and this was the miracle of the Kingdom of God.
Please notice this pattern.
4 things
heal the sick
cleanse the leaper
raise the dead
cast out demons.

demonstrate the Gospel.
you see when you dont see this - you dont see the Gospel.
Demons have NO power against a true believer.
Philip is the only 1 evangelist mentioned in the NT - HE PREACHED CHRIST AND THEN PREACHED JESUS.
Philip had nothing but signs following and the multitudes saw the miracles - they are an essential part of an evangelist.
that brings the crowds - it never fails.

demon activity in a person says '' did you keep the sabbath today''.
the demons will not allow, anyone to ''come up hither'' into Glory.

therefore it is war.
But with who?

demons are persons without a body.[dismembered]
they have personalities.
they want to be ''recognised by their name''.

where do they come from?
no one is sure = but the most probably truth is they are from the pre-adamic race between Gen v1 Gen v2 - so they desperately want to occupy a human, even a body of pigs.
they want to experience corruption.

Isa 61 - The Saviour was anointed to free the captives.
[eating up demons, those giants that rule over people ]

as example...
depression - one needs the protection of A GARMENT OF PRAISE.
for the spirit of depression is a ''spirit of grief'' - an inner dreadfull grief that cannot be lifted, solution and release is by praising the Lord - fill your homes with praises.

fear - opens the door to demons = fear does not come from Father.
Messiah said ''do not fear.''
Repent immediately

so, how do they come in - they come in thru a moment of adamic weakness.
remember the devil is a ''roaring lion seeking whom he can DEVOUR''.

some examples
sometimes as a pre-natal experience from something the mother did - mostly from the occult -never do it [deut 28 ]
homosexuality comes thru the occult too - babies exposed to demons by their mother.

demons of rejection - love is rejected - again the mother regrets the babies conception.
that child is a ''reject'' and needs deliverance [one of the most common ones].
a reject is also a self pity person and a
''woe is me'' complainer - nothing is ever right.

'' family strife'' forms a house of demon infections - Parents are supposed to care for their children - the greatest need is men who are true fathers. FATHERHOOD is becoming a thing of the past.

sinfull habits and acts - continually foolish habits attract demons.
while sin and foolish habits exits - seek repentance.
DEFEAT is the KEY WORD.

This conflict SPANS THE WHOLE UNIVERSE.
if you get to understand Bible truths, you get to be set free.
you have to understand what Father shall do for you in every area of your life.

* faith COMES from HEARING.
* Gods word provided health and medicine for our bodies. [prov 4 - to fear God's word.] That is what I do.
He speaks saying '' take your medicine 3 times a day like carnal medicine''.
you take in THE WORD -LIVE-HEALTH-ABUNDANT.
INCLINE YOUR EAR TO HIM.
The hospital is full of people who have been literally poisoned.
open you ears TO HEAR, HEALING AND HEALTH ON GOD'S TERMS.
WHAT IS NEEDED is learning how to apply it.
it is NO good telling people ''dont go to the drs'' - they have not heard that - THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT - that is where the difference lies.
hearing or being told.
when you HEAR - YOU DO. He has made His people ''willing to do''.

God's word is His character and His glory.
to live in His character [immortality] we learn to live in His glory - to find the best way to live in eternity.
open your mind - to understand ALL FATHER HAS MADE AVAILABLE THRU HIS SON. You have to be EDUCATED by the Kingdom Teacher.
the author of the bible reveals Himself to His believer - He is alive and the bible is alive.
the author of the bible reveals Himself and says ''hello'' SO A BELIEVER KNOWS they are His.
The author of the bible, asks ''why dont you actually believe Me''? - state your case? what's your problem.?
look around you, see my handiwork, observe yourself - why are you here and why do you rebel?
well - one is left speachless because there is NO REASON to call Father a liar to His face.
This same Agent who created all of this created me. One becomes very humble when they meet their Saviour.
unbelief SHUTS THE DOOR to all blessings.

in the OT they still had unbelief - they did not enter the promised land.
the word, they heard did not profit them as it was never mixed with faith, so they failed the promised land blessings.

heb 4 v 12.
living
powerfull
sharper
The overcomers know this - ''while you read your bible, the bible is reading you'' - for it lays bear - the heart.

now for results.
believers preach out from THEIR experiences - a believer is confronted by the truth and the truth sets free.
faith comes -people think '' i dont have faith -but faith comes -[roms 10 v 17 FAITH COMES].
NO ONE HAS TO LIVE WITHOUT FAITH.

to become a spiritual giant - stay in His word.

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**LucySmith** · 11-13-2011, 12:57 PM

the believers call into immortality

all Believer's remember this Day.

They near fainted from such an amazing revelation- yet the work of metamorphoo was beginning - the transformation of a new creature for a new creation, had its awakening that day. That day death died, in a believer. Death was not a friend nor did a believer ''want to die to be in heaven'' for a new discovery happened that ''heaven was now within them''. All it needed was an education in holiness and their testimony, which means ''WALKING IN DIVINE REALITY, BY APPLYING THE SAME FAITH, AS THE SON OF GOD HAS, TO THEIR FIERY TRIALS.''

IF a primitive man, was shown a light bulb and he saw the light, he would be amazed, but, then the man would learn how to turn the light switch on and off. It is the same thing for a believer - they are to be re-educated and re-learn how to think correctly on a Kingdom plane and with the immortal nature of their Father.
so, they have to develop ''their testimony'' because this ''testimony'' is the word of God manifesting, + it is sown inside them - they live out their testimony as divine fruits of what they have learnt. Just Like Messiah.
THERE ARE STEPS.
firey trail
test is -what master ye serve
faith in the word applied
or
unbelief manifests
if faith is applied the firey trial ends
one is ''proven faithfull'' to the Word
this becomes a metamorphoo [change] testimony of overcoming satan, proving Emmanuel [the Word] is their Master and satan is defeated .

This action then becomes ''their testimony'' [rev 12 v 11]

their testimony becomes THE WORD OF GOD SOWN into their lives and cannot be altered, as they have become like GOLD.
VERY few, know this - you have to go thru it to know it and learn from it.
this is repeated till every form of dross is eliminated from the carnal death mindset......
this is wisdom and there are 3 rooms in ''wisdom's house'' = a believer's new mind.

''By wisdom a house is built, and by understanding it is established; and by knowledge the rooms are filled with all precious and pleasant riches'' [Proverbs 24:3-4].

* a house is built
* understanding is established
* knowledge comes.

blessing follow BECAUSE WISDOM HAS RETURNED AND so “ wisdom is vindicated by her deeds” (Matthew 11:19). the deeds are a Believers testimony.
but what is ''wisdom''?

Wisdom is seeing and understanding things from Our Father's perspective.

therefore - i can ask WHY ARE ALL MEN [ with very few exceptions] FILLED WITH UNBELIEF?
this is the crux of the problem.
why is it ''logical'' to doubt our Father?
insanity rules men.
why?
because of death - sin and death are the most repulsive, loathsome, defilement in the universe.
The Disciples said ''help us in our unbelief''.
they were in the middle of amazing things they saw and did many things no others had ever done -yet said this ''help us in our unbelief''.
therefore unbelief from Father's perspective is a ''NO NO NO'', thanks very much.
so a believer goes thru a training programme to stop their unbelief from manifesting = again this is likened too Elisha asking Elijah for his mantle and Elijah saying ''u ask a HARD THING''.

the only time, to have divine power flowing out as living waters - is the day UNBELIEF DIED IN YOUR HEART.
PLEASE. do not tell me about your religion, tell me about your testimony and how your unbelief is perishing and drying up within your life. TELL ME ABOUT HOW DEATH IS DYING IN YOU.
DO not tell me about your outward show, tell me about how u conquered your unbelief.
UNLESS YOU WALK THE WALK - YOU CANNOT TALK THE TALK and manifest ''holiness unto the Lord''.
religious talk means nothing to me.
I dont believe it.
It is only ''your version'' as a literary commentator - sitting in a library reading - the bible is not like that - IT IS LIVING AND WHEN THE REVELATION OF LIFE AND LIVING IS REVEALED TO YOU - YOU BECOME ALIVE AND LIVING - till that day all are dead men, reading a book.

the call goes out to respond to immortal life, a believer hears this calling and responds to it by laying down their life.
The Lord Holy Spirit shows them the middle verse of the whole bible Ps 118 v 8 and then the Lord holy Spirit set about teaching this truth and this truth is sown into their heart and this heart becomes like Messiah's heart.

Psa 118:8 [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.

Psa 118:9 [It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes.

that verse is what a Believer becomes and that verse is the very character of our True Father and unless we get this truth into our lives and THEN ACT UPON IT LIKE MESSIAH DID - WE ARE WASTING OUR TIME.
dont tell me about your religion thanks - tell me about HOW U BELIEVE.....
tell me how you overcome your lusty sins and your mood swings and your depression and fear of heights etc etc....
dont talk religion talk life and the POWER TO DEFEAT YOUR FOES.
religion makes me sick.
why not tell me how your'e no longer a spiritual cripple and a basket case - but how you're training as a spiritual giant, and an immortal conqueror who tells satan ''nick off''.

**LucySmith** · 11-13-2011, 04:41 PM

when u want to tell me about your religion

does it reproduce a Man like Enoch WHO WALKED WITH GOD AND WAS NOT?
IF NOT, why not ask the Holy Spirit to come into a RELATIONSHIP UNDERSTANDING RATHER THAN a man made one.
Man stand up , gathers a crowd, they listen and some agree - yet - not one is a clone of the Saviour - it is logical to ask a''why did you listen''?

we have a man named Enoch who walked with God and was not, for he did not see death, as he ''PLEASED GOD''
HERE, we have a SPIRITUAL GIANT [ and not a law of Moses in sight]
so this ''was not'' person escaped death how?
''he walked with God''.
as he walked with God, ENOCH was ''sonburnt'' and father took away those flaws and habits so that Enoch was ''pleasing'' as they walked together as friends.

we are to open our eyes to see the church system, OF - any creed, and form of christian religion DOES NOT WALK WITH GOD.

"Because thou saith that I am rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." (Rev.3:17-18).

THE DIVISIONAL CHURCH whatever name u want to call your religious church is WRETCHED, MISERABLE, POOR AND BLIND AND MOST OF ALL NAKED.
any one of them is wretched. [that is the truth]
No believer is in a divisional church system, most have to be stripped and cleansed from its defiling gospel and had to re-learn the truth of the Gospel.
Believers are given their ''overcomer battle kit'' that sets them free from all the power of their enemies.

if u notice the bible does not explain in any great length

*how to overcome
nor
* the programme to the overcome all things.
why?
well each believer is unique and each believer has massive private issues and flaws that need divine prompt attention so Messiah teaches each believer ''in secret'' [John 7] so there is a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP ESTABLISHED - A CONNECTION OF FATHER TO CHILD IS RE-ESTABLISHED AND THE COVENANT OF SALT EATEN TOGETHER as they sup together and work things out together.
[it is hands on and personal]
re-establishing the divine spiritual connection.

Messiah cares for His sheep.
He oversees them and each one is personally trained up, to defeat those personal ''disembodied'' beings'' that have infested them.
the believer is '' DE-Loused'' from the power of their former demon host
.[thats why Messiah came to set the captives free],
Messiah is teaching them how to put off their deaths.[plural]

AND HE THAT OVERCOMETH, AND KEEPETH MY WORKS UNTO THE END, TO HIM WILL I GIVE POWER OVER THE NATIONS: AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON; AS THE VESSELS OF A POTTER SHALL THEY BE BROKEN TO SHIVERS: EVEN AS I RECEIVED OF MY FATHER.
(Rev.2]

**ImAHebrew** · 11-13-2011, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by LucySmith

"He himself bore our sins" in his body on the tree, so that we might die to those sins and live righteously.
"By his wounds you have been healed."
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"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace."—Ephesians 1:7.

Hi Lucy, please explain how you have redemption through his blood. ImAHebrew

**LucySmith** · 11-13-2011, 08:44 PM

a Believer is a born again TO CONQUER....HURRAH.

Its the Holy Spirit's work to educate a Believer in the ''arts of war'' and it is HE who puts the longing there to defeat death [ the flesh mind of man].
Meaning to be free from all unsavoury bondages as our Saviour was freed.

let it be noted that false teachers ie. H armstrong - would be considered as a ''spiritual adulterer'' by the Lord [ ofcourse the whole divisional church system opperates under some type of weird false teaching] however let me stay here with herbert as the good example of a false teacher. The false teachers are closely related to the occult.
these type of people all receive their ''popularity'' from satan - the trick to deceive comes from satan.
when you see the ''Oh so popular person'' understand it is from the occult - why? because the bible says THE TRUTH IS HATED.
NOW U HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT IS WAR.

AMOS 5 v 10
How you hate honest judges!
How you despise people who tell the truth!
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Gal.4 v 6

the fact is PEOPLE DESPISE THE TRUTH - therefore the yang effect must be ''PEOPLE LOVE LIES''
satan is an effective tool - very very efficient at trickery and lies.

but the masses are fooled and love the lying ministers and love their ministries by fully supporting them.
these religious people have become VICTIMS of a ''strange woman''

Proverbs 7:25–27:
Do not let your heart turn aside to her ways,
Do not stray into her paths;
For she has cast down many wounded,
And all who were slain by her were strong men.
Her house is the way to hell,
Descending to the chambers of death.

see how this relates to armstrong-ism and its occult popularity.

''see this '' =cast down many wounded''
so many wounded people cast out from that occult ministry -
did Messiah have the ''walking wounded''? NO.

so when our eyes are opened to tricks we see the occult behind all ''so so popular ministries''.- notice their fruit =her house is a way to hell descending to the chambers of death
yes sir - death is active in the pews.
seminaries make cemetries.
''
ofcourse it is the same ''trick'' that is played outside religious circles - the ''oh so populars'' are all satan's handiwork in all stratas.
watch for their fruits.

Ofcourse it is rather difficult to get people to repent from such a great deception - why"? because they have been DRUGGED.

“did not repent of their murders or their
sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts” (Revelation 9:20–
21).
The Grk word translated “sorceries” means “drugs.”

drugged into believing popular religious tricksters.

so how do some escape?

John 10:9
Emmanuel
said, “I am the door.
If anyone enters by Me, he will be
saved.”

Again He said, “I am the way, the truth, and
the life. No one comes to the Father except through
Me” (John 14:6).

the Holy Spirit shall ONLY EVER LEAD THE WAY VIA the Saviour - NO others shall lead them.
but most men wish to FOLLOW A MAN OR A WOMAN high and mighty in their religious circles.
ie.
people love the pope - one discerning look at this person, they would run a mile.

so why do the masses love these spiritual adulterers?
it is because they too have partaken on the occult themselves - remember kind goes with kind.
it is a principle.

ofcourse they shall deny this, and some are ignorant of their sin - but once you partake of any form of occupt practices readings, drugstaking, pills, fortune telling, etc - the door has been opened into the world of deceptions.
let it be noted please....
the occult will always add to the finished work of the Saviour.
that people can achieve
righteousness by their own efforts ie law keeping inpart

so many are hoodwinked and go down to hell on this path.
why?

In Ephesians 2:8–9
“For by grace you have been saved through faith,
and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not
of works, lest anyone should boast.”

saved by Grace.

http://www.bibleabookoftruth.com/TheErrorsOfArmstrongism.pdf

Like all cults, as people cluster around a
certain leader or false prophet, erroneous facts come to light. Without fail, every false
prophet leads others to believe that he and only their particular followers have the last
word from God, and light is found only within their organisation – all else is darkness.

to repent- here is scriptures that tell the truth.

We overcome Satan when we testify personally
to what the Word of God says
the blood of Jesus does for us

Through the blood of Jesus
I am redeemed out of the hand of the devil

Through the blood of Jesus
all my sins are forgiven.

Through the blood of Jesus
I am continually being cleansed from all sin

Through the blood of Jesus
I am justified, made righteous, ''justasifid''
never sinned.

Through the blood of Jesus
I am sanctified, made holy, set apart to God.

Through the blood of Jesus
I have boldness to enter the presence of God.

The blood of Jesus cries out continually
to God in heaven on my behalf.

Revelation 12:11 2.
Ephesians 1:7 3.
1 John 1:9 4.
1 John 1:7
Romans 5:9
Hebrews 13:12
Hebrews 10:19

**ImAHebrew** · 11-14-2011, 02:10 AM

Shedding Innocent Blood

Originally posted by LucySmith

We overcome Satan when we testify personally
to what the Word of God says
the blood of Jesus does for us

Through the blood of Jesus
I am redeemed out of the hand of the devil

Through the blood of Jesus
all my sins are forgiven.

Through the blood of Jesus
I am continually being cleansed from all sin

Through the blood of Jesus
I am justified, made righteous, ''justasifid''
never sinned.

Through the blood of Jesus
I am sanctified, made holy, set apart to God.

Through the blood of Jesus
I have boldness to enter the presence of God.

The blood of Jesus cries out continually
to God in heaven on my behalf.

Revelation 12:11 2.
Ephesians 1:7 3.
1 John 1:9 4.
1 John 1:7
Romans 5:9
Hebrews 13:12
Hebrews 10:19

Hi Lucy, I know it is a very difficult thing to answer, and you are avoiding it with all your power, but you need to come to terms with just exactly HOW or WHY the shedding of innocent blood saves sinners such as yourself and the "pew" people. In your mind, what is it that motivates Elohim to forgive you in the shedding of His Son's innocent blood? It amazes me how you sound just like ALL the "pew" preachers you so adamantly denounce. There is no difference in your view of how you are saved and theirs. You would make a good Lutheran. Here are some Scriptures you should considered in determining how to answer about the shedding of innocent blood:

Mat 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.
Deu 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.
Exo 23:7 Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.
Deu 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which Yahweh thy Elohim giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.
Deu 21:8-9 Be merciful, Yahweh, unto thy people Israel, whom thou hast redeemed, and lay not innocent blood unto thy people of Israel's charge. And the blood shall be forgiven them. (9) So shalt thou put away the guilt of innocent blood from among you, when thou shalt do that which is right in the sight of Yahweh.
Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of Elohim made he man.
Num 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

Lucy, it is very clear in the Scriptures, the shedding of innocent blood ONLY brings condemnation and judgment, not forgiveness or justification. So you really need to explain why your views of shedding innocent blood differ so much from what the Word of Elohim says. ImAHebrew

**Spying** · 11-14-2011, 09:45 AM

The Spiritual Blood Of Messiah In Spiritual Redemption?

Hi Lucy,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

I write to you on this thread by way of encouragement to you in order that you might be persuaded to explore more fully many of the lawful processes which you deem are rooted and grounded in the New Testament, but in reality originate in the Law.

I am speaking here of redemption, and atonement, and forgiveness, and sanctification, and justification, and purification, etc.

The above are all defined by the Law, and at the very least, the spiritual fulfillment of the above take place according to the Old Testament pattern established by the Law in a physical sense. This is the teaching of the Book of Hebrews. Right now, I know that you believe that the risen Messiah Yahushua occupies the Mercy Seat in the spiritual Holy of Holies as your spiritual High Priest after the order of an endless life (as least I think that this is your belief).

Messiah entered the spiritual Holy of Holies with HIS own Blood. Or do you really think that Messiah entered the spiritual Holy of Holies with HIS own physical shed blood?

What ImAHebrew is attempting to force you to consider is the nature of the above processes in a spiritual sense. Christianity attempts to take Messiah's shed physical blood, and then Christianity mixes apples with oranges, so to speak, as she attempts to explain the meaning of the above spiritual processes. Take redemption for example: Redemption under the Law is a physical redemption. The Law requires that this redemption take place according to certain rules before one can be redeemed. Messiah did not come to do away with physical redemption. Physical redemption is still valid if one desires to bring about physical redemption under the Law, but Messiah came to initiate a spiritual redemption according to the pattern required in physical redemption that ultimately gives to each of us freedom from the slavery of sin.

For physical redemption, the blood of a physical lamb is required. For spiritual redemption the blood of a spiritual lamb is required.

Now, Lucy, don't attempt to mix the physical and the spiritual as Christianity is expert at doing in exploring these things.

Be courageous enough to ask yourself what the spiritual blood of Messiah Yahushua actually is? When you ask such questions of yourself, you are honestly working to get at the real or truthful fulfillment of the spiritual processes mentioned above.

So, what did your spiritual High Priest enter the spiritual Holy of Holies with, if HE did not enter that spiritual Holy Place with HIS own physical shed blood?

Thanking you and others (I am thinking of Michael Maynard) in advance should any be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr

P.S. Spiritual redemption is not made for the forgiveness of sins as your tag line teaches. Spiritual redemption is made so that the sin in each of us can enter a state of complete remission. How else could we have confidence to enter the spiritual Holy of Holies?

**LucySmith** · 11-14-2011, 01:20 PM

thank you for your concern Allen....

i understand everything about the blood of my Saviour - BTW not from the christian church, infact i never heard of it there, but from the teaching of the Lord holy Spirit.
its a very long time ago since i was ever in a christian church. I did not like it - I was like Ghandi....

the funny thing is Allen, i really want you to understand this, so we dont go down this road again ok?
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religion is about doctrines
religion is about doing stuff
religion is about insignificent things. religion is about devilish teaching, mixing a truth with a lie
religion is about big business and compromise

yet i want you to consider..........................
because not one christian church has ever reproducted their people in the same image as the Messiah.

NOT ONE PERSON - by DOING THIS, by DOING THAT, by BELIEVING THIS has even comes close.

2000yrs people have done this and that - the whole sorry sad saga is the replay of Israel in the wilderness.

why Allen, why do you think it is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo important to understand the blood
when many people do?

why Allen, why do you think it is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo important to understand the sabbath
when many people do.?

yet for all this understanding
for all this knowledge
FOR ALL THIS LAWKEEPING - they all die, and none attained to be the copy of our Saviour.

hear me out.please.
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i looked and i observed this and i took note - so i asked the Lord - where are all the people like You Saviour?you know the answer i got Allen.

''a friend of God''
'a covenant of Salt''.

* you see Allen PEOPLE MAY WELL HAVE A DOCTRINE, BUT THEY ARE NOT HIS FRIEND
* you see Allen PEOPLE MAY WELL HAVE INPART LAW KEEPING AS AN ADDED EXTRA bonus [they want] BUT THEY DO NOT SUP WITH HIM.

IT IS LIKE being married to a wonderfull man and never being intimate to the fullest extent with him.,

what do EXGAGED COUPLES DO ALLEN?
they are so engrossed with themselves they cannot wait to be married - they are EXPLOSIVE together.
what does the NT say about THE BRIDE - SHE MAKE HERSELF READY.

she MAKES HERSELF READY, why?
because she cannot wait to be married and her whole life is a consumed BY LOVE.

YOU SEE ALLEN, having the ''right'' doctrine is important - but not as important as THE INTIMACY OF DIVINE LOVERS.

i have that relationship with my Saviour,
He teaches me how to think HIS WAY and what to do HIS WAY and how to stop sinning HIS WAY and how to become perfected HIS WAY - He said '' I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH, without spot nor wrinkle nor unclean thing'' - death is unclean
hence He teaches me HOW TO USE THE BLOOD TO OVERCOME.

but it is not a doctrine nor a law He really teaches IT IS HOW TO LOVE Him and His kingdom correctly.,

His love is not like human love.
AGAPE LOVE, is the giving up of oneself to another, as He did on the cross.

I KNOW my Saviour, AND HE KNOWS ME and together we work in love - and bit by bit all my death is swallowed up into His life - each day i come on here or somewhere else, to write what He has shown me, each day I walk in some small type of miracle happens, each day i advance into knowing Him better and manifesting out His presence in some small way.
i know in real life, the redemption process
i know in real life, how death is swallowed up into His life
i know, how to overcome by the Blood of the Lamb, just like Rev 12 v 11 tells
i know in real life the transformation processes
i know in real life how to put on the mind of Christ

but most of all I KNOW HOW TO BELIEVE HIM - now - the sad fact is not too many do.
the blood of the Lamb is an ''atomic weapon'' and i know how to use my weapons.

therefore
I am not going down another path, for seminary teachings build cemetries.
I refuse to believe the teachings of man, UNLESS it is edifying.

unless your'e an OVERCOMER, there is NO way any person is ever going to be able to understand the blood of the Lamb and how it effects the enemy.
Unless your'e in the heat of the battle, there is NO way anyone can understand how to use the blood of the lamb and win.

in conclusion, i have every confidence in my Saviour and His shed blood.
I hope i have made myself clear,
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**LucySmith** · 11-14-2011, 09:39 PM

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace."—Ephesians 1:7.

this is scripture Allen, no one can take away from this verse.....

all NT scriptures...

Originally Posted by LucySmith
We overcome Satan when we testify personally
to what the Word of God says
the blood of Jesus does for us.

Through the blood of Jesus
I am redeemed out of the hand of the devil

Through the blood of Jesus
all my sins are forgiven.

Through the blood of Jesus
I am continually being cleansed from all sin

Through the blood of Jesus
I am justified, made righteous, ''justasifid''
never sinned.

Through the blood of Jesus
I am sanctified, made holy, set apart to God.

Through the blood of Jesus
I have boldness to enter the presence of God.

The blood of Jesus cries out continually
to God in heaven on my behalf.

Revelation 12:11 2.
Ephesians 1:7 3.
1 John 1:9 4.
1 John 1:7
Romans 5:9
Hebrews 13:12
Hebrews 10:19

Through the blood of Jesus
I am redeemed out of the hand of the devil

Eph 1:7,
Psa 107:2 through the Blood of Jesus, I am redeemed out of the hand of the devil.
Through the Blood of Jesus, all of my sins are forgiven. 1John 1:7[/B]
2 Cor. 10:3-5.
The blood of Jesus is one of the most potent weapons against spiritual wickedness in high places and to demolish every stronghold of satanic forces. It is an atomic weapon.

do i smell a rat? a sniff of the deadly herbert?
the death smell of armstrongism Allen?
let us find out with some homework.

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R E D E M P T I O N

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The Bible states:

§ We have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins (Ephesians 1:7).

§ You were not redeemed with corruptible things but with the precious blood of Christ (I Peter 1: 1 8-19).

§ Unto him that loves us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and has made us a kingdom of priests unto God and his Father (Revelation 1:5-6).

§ Without shedding of blood is no remission (Hebrews 9:22).

§ Made peace through the blood of his cross (Colossians 1:20).

§ This man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God. . . . For by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified (Hebrews 10: 12, 14).
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Armstrongism

§ The purpose of life in us is that God is really creating His own kind, reproducing Himself. At the time of the resurrection we shall be instantaneously changed from mortal into immortal. We shall then be God! You will actually be God, even as Jesus was and is God, and His Father, a different Person, also is God. You are setting out on a training to become Creator, to become God (WWYB, pp. 21-22).

§ We . . . will generate eternal life intrinsically within ourselves (MEG, P. 44).
Furthermore, we will counsel and advise our Creator-Father (Ibid., P. 45).

§ Physical human beings in Tomorrow's World . . . will worship before the feet of God's present-day human servants (Your Destiny- The God Family, p. 37)

cont...................

S A L V A T I O N

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The Bible states:

§ Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved, and your house (Acts 16:31).

§ But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the children of God, even to them that believe on his name (John 1:12).

§ He that believes on him is not condemned; but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the . . . only begotten Son of God (John 3:18).

§ He that believes on the Son has everlasting life; and he that believes not the Son shall not see life (John 3:36).

§ Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5).

§ For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God-not of works, lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9).

§ Justified freely . . . through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus (Romans 3:24).

§ Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes (Romans 10:4).

Armstrongism

§ Jesus alone, of all humans, has so far been saved (WWYB, P. I 1).

§ The blood of Jesus Christ does not finally save anyone. It saves merely from the death penalty (of sin) (All About Water Baptism, pp. 1-3).

§ Baptism is an essential ordinance for salvation. You must be baptized to become a true Christian ("This is the Worldwide Church of God," in TW, Feb. 197 1, pp. 16-17).

§ Along with the physical act of baptism is promised the Holy Spirit, through the laying on of hands (TW, Apr. 1971, pp. 41-42).

§ One who is born of God is merely begotten spiritually. He is not yet really born. Only those who develop spiritually shall finally be given immortality . . . at the second coming of Christ (AAWB, p. 2).

§ When Jesus Christ returns to this earth, He will, for the first time, set His hand to save the world. He will offer salvation (to all people) (There Is a Real Hell Fire, P. 6).

§ A majority of those who die without Christ will be resurrected and gain opportunity to believe during the Millennium (Predestination-Does the Bible Teach It?).
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so here we have the perverted false teacher teachings saying..........
The blood of Jesus Christ does not finally save anyone.
It saves merely from the death penalty (of sin) (All About Water Baptism, pp. 1-3).

ummmm
cont....................................................is this the truth?

**LucySmith** · 11-14-2011, 09:47 PM

cont....the blood of the Lamb

cont..............lets do some homework...

''If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin" (1 John 1:7).

"For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins" (Hebrews 10:4).

''who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness" (1 Peter 2:24).

''Jesus suffered "that He might sanctify the people with His own blood" (Hebrews 13:12).

''Having been made holy by the blood of Christ, we may boldly approach God's throne of grace''.
i love this one = having been made holy by the blood of Christ - amen

"God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him"
(Romans 5:8,9).

He "loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood" (Revelation 1:5).

"Conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" (1 Peter 1:17- 19).

''We are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith" (Romans 3:24,25).

"He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins" (Colossians 1:13,14).

''But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ''. (Eph 2:13)

''and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross''. (Col 1:20)

''How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!'' (Heb 9:14)

''And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood'. (Heb 13:12)

''To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood'', (Rev 1:5)

so to list the benefits of NT verses we find the truth..........................................
blood of Christ shed on the cross we have:

1- redemption,

2- justification and the

3- forgiveness of sins and peace with God, which come when we turn from sins and place a faith in Jesus that will trust and obey him.

4-cleanses our consciences so we may serve God,

5- makes us holy,

6- purifies us from sin,

7- frees us from sins,

8- is what purchased us for God

9- washes white our spiritual robes,

10- and is the means of overcoming the devil along with the word of our testimony and not loving our lives so much as to shrink from death.

ummm the blood of the Lamb does look very impressive to me from NT verses.

And they sang a new song:
“You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.” (Rev. 5:9)

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? (Heb 10:26-29)

allen - are you insulting grace?
ummm

I Corinthians 6:19-20 -
"What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, which is in you.
which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
For ye are bought with a price; Therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

Rom 5:9
''Through the Blood of Jesus I am justified, made righteous, just as if I had never sinned.''

Heb 13:12
Through the Blood of Jesus I am sanctified, made Holy set apart to God, 1Cor 6:19,20
1Cor6

ummm yes sir i am well satisfied i dont believe Herbert A. on the power of the Blood of the lamb.
the NT verses look too good to me - i soak in them.
BTW I knew I knew the scriptures and am well satisfied, no pervert is my teacher.

**LucySmith** · 11-14-2011, 11:27 PM

so Allen do you support armstrongism on the blood of Messiah

The blood of Christ does not finally save any man."
(All About Water Baptism, Herbert Armstrong, 1972, pp. 1-3.)

"People want to believe we are simply saved by our faith in Christ's blood.
As Mr. Armstrong said, that 'is nothing but a dead faith--and a dead faith never will save one soul!'"
(Philadelphia Trumpet, Gerald Flurry, May 1994, p. 15).

HWA often contradicted himself, so we will find him saying such things as:
1= "The blood of Jesus Christ was so precious it paid for ALL OF OUR SINS!" (1979 co-worker letter from Herbert Armstrong);

2= we are "justified by the blood of Christ" and acceptance of Christ is "for remission of sins" (Just What Do You Mean Salvation?)

However, in his typical Scripture twisting manner, HWA (the same as Gerald Flurry) turned around and said that Romans 3:25 meant we only have remission of sins that are "past." (Pagan Holidays—or God’s Holy Days—Which?)
http://www.exitsupportnetwork.com/mi...what_is.htm#13

so what does the NT say...."Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (Jn. 1:29).
so if we do our homework we will find these truth.....................

The blood of Emmanuel is of such vast importance to the Father that He has decreed that there shall be...
(1) no salvation,

(2) no remission,

(3) no redemption,

(4) no atonement,

(5) no peace,

(6) no propitiation,

(7) no cleansing,

(8) no justification,

9) no new covenant,

(10) no reconciliation,

(11) no entrance into the Most Holy Place,

(12) no sonship,

(13) no sanctification,

(Acts 20:28; Heb. 10:19-20).

without the blood of My Saviour, [whose blood is called by Paul ] the BLOOD OF GOD

so See how armstrongism is defeated by the NT.
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from IAH
''Lucy, it is very clear in the Scriptures, the shedding of innocent blood ONLY brings condemnation and judgment, not forgiveness or justification.

So you really need to explain why your views of shedding innocent blood differ so much from what the Word of Elohim says''. ImAHebrew

hang on.... is my eyes seeing this right?
''Lucy, it is very clear in the Scriptures, the shedding of innocent blood ONLY brings condemnation and judgment, not forgiveness or justification.

hang on I'll check what the NT says.....
''Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him''!
(Rom 5:9)

Ephesians 1:7
''In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace''.

Colossians 1:14
''In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:''

''But God demonstrates his own love for us in this:
While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! Romans 5:8–9:

yes I did see this right - just checking....
justified.
"to make righteous, to acquit from sin, to hold guiltless."

Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

(Rev 1:5-6 NIV)

2 Corinthians 5:21
Apostle Paul says,
"God made him [Jesus] who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (NIV).

thank you Father for the truth.
see I believe the NT............................................................

now i have dealt with IAH
your turn Allen.

Spiritual redemption is not made for the forgiveness of sins as your tag line teaches.
Spiritual redemption is made so that the sin in each of us can enter a state of complete remission.
How else could we have confidence to enter the spiritual Holy of Holies?

''my tag'' is NT verse....................shall we reconsider your stance?

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. - truth = found in 1 pet. 2 v 24

as for the rest of my ''tag'' you find offensive...
they ARE FROM THE NT
Revelation 12:11 2.
Ephesians 1:7 3.
1 John 1:9 4.
1 John 1:7
Romans 5:9
Hebrews 13:12
Hebrews 10:19

SO WITH THE NT AS MY WITNESS - I AM NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN ALTERNATIVE OPINIONS.
so shall not respond to any alternative views.

**Spying** · 11-15-2011, 09:24 AM

Evidence: Hebrews 11:1

Hi Lucy,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

You are indeed correct. No one amongst Christianity has lived and overcome death. Not one member of the Worldwide Church of God has continued to live without growing older and eventually getting sick and then dying. Not one Lutheran! Not one Christian Scientist! Indeed, no one that you know has been able to overcome physical death and continued to live.

What is going to make you successful where others have universally failed?

Are you going to succeed just because you have been blessed to see the possibility of LIFE NOW?

Are you going to succeed just because you believe that you are going to succeed? This is called blind faith.

We are saved by grace, right! Through faith also, and that faith is the faith of Messiah, and may I say that the faith of Messiah is according to knowledge?

Grace is a free gift, and faith is the evidence of things not seen. Neither of us have seen anyone live and not die eventhough the gift of ELOHIM is indeed continual life. What evidence, Lucy, do you possess concerning continued living and not dying?

Can I simply say that physical death comes to all because all are sinners? Are you a sinner, Lucy? Obviously, you are a sinner. You transgress the Law in many ways. What makes you so sure that you have received the grace to continue to live and not die? Is ELOHIM a respecter of persons? Why should ELOHIM respect Lucy in her sin and give Lucy life, and then turnaround and totally disrespect and disregard all others as sinners (all religious people including Mr. Armstrong and Mrs. White) holding their feet to the fire until they physically die? Does this seem just to you?

Redemption must occur for Lucy, that is, Lucy's slavery to sin must end before Lucy can even begin to think in terms of continued living and not dying.

Now, all Christians know that they have a problem with death, and they rightly understand that death comes because of sins committed. They truly believe that they are saved by grace through faith. Accordingly, they believe in the blood as do you. The difference between you and them is that they believe that deliverance from physical death comes to them after they die because of their faith in the blood that they possessed before they died. On the other hand, you believe that deliverance from death comes to you through the blood before you go on to experience physical death and die. How does that work, Lucy? How does the blood bring this deliverance about for you? What is your evidence?

Why should ImAHebrew or me or anyone else follow in your footsteps without any evidence from you?

This is why ImAHebrew and I have been asking you about the blood. We desire to see and understand your evidence, your faith! We desire to see whether or not your evidence or faith is according to the Scriptures?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr

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